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Netflix looks like crap

It's only me, or Netflix looks like crap on WP7? I just got the phone yesterday and one of the things that push me to get the phone was the ability to have Netflix... but after several movies,, I saw that the quality is very bad, it's like is not using the full Color scale. The movies look like is using a 16M color pallete... is that the way its looks? I tried over wifi and 3g and it was the same

I've noticed the first couple of minutes are pixelated, but then it smooths out and runs fine. I haven't noticed any color problems with it. What device are you using it on?

nrfitchett4 said:
I've noticed the first couple of minutes are pixelated, but then it smooths out and runs fine. I haven't noticed any color problems with it. What device are you using it on?
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Yeah, this is my experience as well. Something to keep in mind is that the Samsung AMOLED phones (Omnia 7 and Focus) have some color banding, so if whatever you're watching has a lot of gradients, then it may look worse than it would on other devices. In my experience with my Focus, I haven't had too many problems with the colors looking bad.

I use the Surround and have been satisfied 100%. Occasionally it gets pixelated due to bandwidth but never any color issues.

I havent been color problems in Netflix. Looks good on the screen resolution.

nrfitchett4 said:
I've noticed the first couple of minutes are pixelated, but then it smooths out and runs fine. I haven't noticed any color problems with it. What device are you using it on?
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I have the Samsung Focus.
I'm not talking about been pixelated, resolution wise it's looks good,, the issue is with the coloring . is like netflix is using a less than a 16bit color pallete,, take you computer screen for example, go to the properties and change your color to 16bit or less and you'll see what I'm taking about... is the gradients

eortizr said:
I have the Samsung Focus.
I'm not talking about been pixelated, resolution wise it's looks good,, the issue is with the coloring . is like netflix is using a less than a 16bit color pallete,, take you computer screen for example, go to the properties and change your color to 16bit or less and you'll see what I'm taking about... is the gradients
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I guessing its a super amoled problem then as others haven't had this.

I found this article,, it confirms what I was trying to explain... and I though I was getting a better display going with samsung instead of HTC..., but I think part of the issue is due to WP7 , I used to have a Galaxy S and never notice the color banding issue.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/12/05/super-amoled-color-banding-issue-microsoft-could-partially-fix-it/

Let me assure you that the Galaxy S also has horrible color banding. Well, the ones I've used do as well. All AMOLED screens do, to some extent. Gradients end up looking reeeaaally bad, which is why I'm sticking with LCD until the technology improves.
Sorry bud, it's not Netflix's fault. Blame Samsung. Hopefully it can be fixed with a software update.

zukа said:
Let me assure you that the Galaxy S also has horrible color banding. Well, the ones I've used do as well. All AMOLED screens do, to some extent. Gradients end up looking reeeaaally bad, which is why I'm sticking with LCD until the technology improves.
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The galaxy s phones that you've used have all been duds then because its definitely not a problem with amoled in general. The pentile "pixel" arrangement may make them look a little less sharp, but there is no color banding on android.
That definitely looks like a wp7 software issue as the article says.
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lol you guys must be on crack i have a focus and i see no issues while watching netflix. the beginning is pixelated for the first 30 secs or so and then the image is perfect hd quality. theres no comparing the image quality on this phone to one of an lcd.

eortizr said:
I found this article,, it confirms what I was trying to explain... and I though I was getting a better display going with samsung instead of HTC..., but I think part of the issue is due to WP7 , I used to have a Galaxy S and never notice the color banding issue.
http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2010/12/05/super-amoled-color-banding-issue-microsoft-could-partially-fix-it/
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well, if it's only on the amoled displays, sounds like a samsung problem. Have you tried to exchange it and see if its better?
And how would you notice it on a galaxy s phone? Android doesn't have netflix.

Funny, because I'm typing this from an Android phone with an Amoled display and if I view an image - video or still - that has color gradients I get the same color banding as shown in that article.
Believe me, it's an AMOLED thing, and can be fixed if programs run in 24 bit. Most don't, though, which is why LCD displays are better in my view

wanted to chime in that netflix looks pretty awesome w/ 3g on my LG Quantum

Yeah,, I guess is not a Netflix issue,,, but using netflix was when I first notice the issue because netflix use 16bit... is a combination of WP7 and Amoled, WP7 could have reduce the banding issue by using dithering but they did not... When I had my Galaxy S running Android I never noticed that issue and I had the phone for 6 months... even my wife's iPhone3gs looks better on netflix..., I guess I will have to get used to it... since of all other WP7 phones on At&t the Focus has the better Camera.

[Q] Considering buying this in the UK - Octacore version. Opinions?

Hello everyone,
after 4 returns of LG G Pads, all of which had screen issues (adhesive yellow lines, light bleeding, 7 light spots of doom at the bottom) I've decided to up my game and move to 10.1 as something futureproof and fun to own...
However most issues pop AFTER we get our hands on the tablet. As such, I would like to ask the owners. Hand over heart - what are the + and - and what are the most common issues (if any) reported with this tablet?
Thinking of buying it from Pcworld today.
Thank you

evak2979 said:
Hello everyone,
after 4 returns of LG G Pads, all of which had screen issues (adhesive yellow lines, light bleeding, 7 light spots of doom at the bottom) I've decided to up my game and move to 10.1 as something futureproof and fun to own...
However most issues pop AFTER we get our hands on the tablet. As such, I would like to ask the owners. Hand over heart - what are the + and - and what are the most common issues (if any) reported with this tablet?
Thinking of buying it from Pcworld today.
Thank you
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There were some early assembly issues (S Pen loose in silo, speaker grills uneven or loose, BT connectivity issues) that seem to have abated because after the wave of early builds they haven't been mentioned lately. If you're a lag-freak the N10.1-14 does suffer from the occasional transition stutter or milliseconds of lag opening and closing apps. I'd peg it as lag free 95% of the time. We're getting Magazine UX/4.4 soon and the Tab/Pro's shown on video from their CES launch looked much smoother than the N10.1-14. Do you have better than 20/20 vision? A couple of people who do (or apparently do) have noticed some display anomalies when looking at certain content; most likely because of the N10.1-14's RGBW PenTile display. I can't replicate it but have only mere mortal vision.
The top reasons to get the N10.1-14 are:
Display. I think it's gorgeous no matter what anyone else says and I compare it against my N3 everyday.
Form factor. Amazingly light, slim, and small for a 10" tablet.
Doing stuff. S Pen, S Note, Multi View, Action Memo, Scrap Book and the like are huge productivity benefits and once you start using them they are hard to live without. I'm on my second round of "Notes" with the N3 and N10.1-14 replacing my N2 and N10.1-12.
The top reasons not to buy it:
You're a pure consumption user. All of the extra features of the N10.1-14 use a lot of resources and if you're not going to use them will just be annoying. You pay a lot of money for the N10.1-14 because of those features (and premium h/w that's needed to power them) and to not use them will leave you frustrated.
You're a lag-freak. As it stands there's some stuttering, hesitation, and lag about 5% of the time. It's most prominent when there's a bunch of background processing going on. Some of the proprietary apps can throw up a spinning wheel while they're processing. For example you can move content between two apps open in Multi View. It's not always instant. You can also use Air Command to copy full screens of content from various sources to be saved in your Scrap Book. It too isn't instant.
You have super human vision or live-and-die by a "perfect" display. Some people here (a half dozen?) are really freaking out about some anomalies they've detected in the display. Interestingly, other than a single reviewer who actually has 20/15 vision mentioning he noticed "something different" about the display no one outside XDA has mentioned what some folks here have found/described. The difference between a RGB display and the N10.1-14's PenTile display is that because of an indirect sub-pixel arrangement, in certain situations like specific saturated colors on specific backgrounds, there can be detectable imperfections on certain content. You can read more here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2615750. Since you're leaving the G Pad over its display do yourself (and the forum ) a favor and make sure your display expectations are met before you buy a N10.1-14.
Assuming you're not buying an LTE version, the Wi-Fi and 3G versions take a looong time to charge; as long as seven hours to get to 100%.
Happy shopping.

BarryH_GEG said:
There were some early assembly issues (S Pen loose in silo, speaker grills uneven or loose, BT connectivity issues) that seem to have abated because after the wave of early builds they haven't been mentioned lately. If you're a lag-freak the N10.1-14 does suffer from the occasional transition stutter or milliseconds of lag opening and closing apps. I'd peg it as lag free 95% of the time. We're getting Magazine UX/4.4 soon and the Tab/Pro's shown on video from their CES launch looked much smoother than the N10.1-14. Do you have better than 20/20 vision? A couple of people who do (or apparently do) have noticed some display anomalies when looking at certain content; most likely because of the N10.1-14's RGBW PenTile display. I can't replicate it but have only mere mortal vision.
The top reasons to get the N10.1-14 are:
Display. I think it's gorgeous no matter what anyone else says and I compare it against my N3 everyday.
Form factor. Amazingly light, slim, and small for a 10" tablet.
Doing stuff. S Pen, S Note, Multi View, Action Memo, Scrap Book and the like are huge productivity benefits and once you start using them they are hard to live without. I'm on my second round of "Notes" with the N3 and N10.1-14 replacing my N2 and N10.1-12.
The top reasons not to buy it:
You're a pure consumption user. All of the extra features of the N10.1-14 use a lot of resources and if you're not going to use them will just be annoying. You pay a lot of money for the N10.1-14 because of those features (and premium h/w that's needed to power them) and to not use them will leave you frustrated.
You're a lag-freak. As it stands there's some stuttering, hesitation, and lag about 5% of the time. It's most prominent when there's a bunch of background processing going on. Some of the proprietary apps can throw up a spinning wheel while they're processing. For example you can move content between two apps open in Multi View. It's not always instant. You can also use Air Command to copy full screens of content from various sources to be saved in your Scrap Book. It too isn't instant.
You have super human vision or live-and-die by a "perfect" display. Some people here (a half dozen?) are really freaking out about some anomalies they've detected in the display. Interestingly, other than a single reviewer who actually has 20/15 vision mentioning he noticed "something different" about the display no one outside XDA has mentioned what some folks here have found/described. The difference between a RGB display and the N10.1-14's PenTile display is that because of an indirect sub-pixel arrangement, in certain situations like specific saturated colors on specific backgrounds, there can be detectable imperfections on certain content. You can read more here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2615750. Since you're leaving the G Pad over its display do yourself (and the forum ) a favor and make sure your display expectations are met before you buy a N10.1-14.
Assuming you're not buying an LTE version, the Wi-Fi and 3G versions take a looong time to charge; as long as seven hours to get to 100%.
Happy shopping.
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I have owned (and loved) an S4 before it got stolen and I moved to my Z1.
I never had an issue with Samsung, but I do remember the occasional lag/stutter. I think it's to be used to.
The main reasons why I opted for the 10.1 are:
- The stylus + multi window. I do a lot of reading/writing and I often carry a paperbook around when I read a book to keep notes. But I am not the most tidy of persons, and I thought that operating a 10.1 in multiwindow instead would allow me to keep notes as I kindled through content.
- The specs appear future proof and XDA appears to have a good community for customing Samsungs. With cleanroms and what not, I am hoping to be able to keep the functionality of the Stylus along with a more lag free experience.
- Yes, I enjoy my movies and online magazine content, so the screen is important to me.
I will order one and hope to see it arrive by tomorrow. I can always return it within 7 days, but I doubt I will (Light bleed or faulty screens however are an immediate no go for me ! )
AS a 10.1 owner, do you think my reasons are valid? Thanks for your feedback

evak2979 said:
I have owned (and loved) an S4 before it got stolen and I moved to my Z1.
I never had an issue with Samsung, but I do remember the occasional lag/stutter. I think it's to be used to.
The main reasons why I opted for the 10.1 are:
- The stylus + multi window. I do a lot of reading/writing and I often carry a paperbook around when I read a book to keep notes. But I am not the most tidy of persons, and I thought that operating a 10.1 in multiwindow instead would allow me to keep notes as I kindled through content.
- The specs appear future proof and XDA appears to have a good community for customing Samsungs. With cleanroms and what not, I am hoping to be able to keep the functionality of the Stylus along with a more lag free experience.
- Yes, I enjoy my movies and online magazine content, so the screen is important to me.
I will order one and hope to see it arrive by tomorrow. I can always return it within 7 days, but I doubt I will (Light bleed or faulty screens however are an immediate no go for me ! )
AS a 10.1 owner, do you think my reasons are valid? Thanks for your feedback
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Up until a few days ago everyone here almost universally loved the display. A couple of people started ragging on it just recently. I wouldn't have even mentioned the display as anything but "outstanding" if not for those few people's recent comments. I've tried to replicate each of the scenarios they are bothered by and just can't. One of them admitted to 20/15 vision so s/he may be seeing imperfections I don't. People that have bought the N10.1-14 on my recommendation (with the display playing a large part) have been universally pleased.
As for lag and such my i7 gaming desktop with 12GB of RAM and 10K RPM drives lags occasionally. I shrug while others will blow away and rebuild Windows over it. To each their own.
Based on what you've described you'll be blown away by the N10.1-14's productivity features. But give them some time before drawing a conclusion. Being developed by Asian's for Western users the functionality isn't always intuitive or well presented. It is logical though and the more you use it the more comfortable you become with it.
I have a 3G version that I bought in the U.S. as an import and paid an un-Godly price for it. Almost twice the $389 some people that are complaining about certain aspects of the N10.1-14 paid during a recent refurb promotion that ran. I'm happy but it's hard to anticipate what makes others happy. After the past couple of days of pretty brutal discussion on lag and the display (which I don't personally agree with) I've learned not to project my expectations and what satisfies them on to others.
Based on your list I think you'll be happy though. And even happier when we get moved to 4.4/M-UX which is imminent because leaks have started to appear.

BarryH_GEG said:
Up until a few days ago everyone here almost universally loved the display. A couple of people started ragging on it just recently. I wouldn't have even mentioned the display as anything but "outstanding" if not for those few people's recent comments. I've tried to replicate each of the scenarios they are bothered by and just can't. One of them admitted to 20/15 vision so s/he may be seeing imperfections I don't. People that have bought the N10.1-14 on my recommendation (with the display playing a large part) have been universally pleased.
As for lag and such my i7 gaming desktop with 12GB of RAM and 10K RPM drives lags occasionally. I shrug while others will blow away and rebuild Windows over it. To each their own.
Based on what you've described you'll be blown away by the N10.1-14's productivity features. But give them some time before drawing a conclusion. Being developed by Asian's for Western users the functionality isn't always intuitive or well presented. It is logical though and the more you use it the more comfortable you become with it.
I have a 3G version that I bought in the U.S. as an import and paid an un-Godly price for it. Almost twice the $389 some people that are complaining about certain aspects of the N10.1-14 paid during a recent refurb promotion that ran. I'm happy but it's hard to anticipate what makes others happy. After the past couple of days of pretty brutal discussion on lag and the display (which I don't personally agree with) I've learned not to project my expectations and what satisfies them on to others.
Based on your list I think you'll be happy though. And even happier when we get moved to 4.4/M-UX which is imminent because leaks have started to appear.
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Just came home from pc world and saw the note...
It has yellow discoloration at the edges, and on the sides, visible on the whites..Just like the lg g pads i was forced to return...
I am terrified my unit tomorrow will suffer from the same. Can I be that unlucky?

gamerdad09 said:
Or your eye's are extremely sensitive to light? My Note 10.1 2014 is my 4th tablet to own. Out of the one's I've owned, only my original Nexus 7 had a slight light bleed on one side. I've not experienced such an issue with my Note 10.1 2014.
I also do not notice the PenTile grid that some people keep pointing out on the Note 10.1 2014. I've seen the PenTile grid a couple times on my Galaxy S3 when fooling with the brightness and depending on the lighting, but I've yet to see it on my Note 10.1 2014.
As Barry has mentioned, there are a lot of different factors that could be an issue for some folks. If you have the brightness up, you're sitting under a bright light, you have better than average eye sight, there are many reasons you could see an anomaly or part of the device such as the PenTile grid.
Generally the picture is really crisp and clear unless I load a website that is using some low resolution images on the site. Those appear fuzzy and stand out compared to the crisp text.
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No,no, I had a friend with me. We were both mocking Ipads and how they had a known yellow tint issue on left hand side.
Then I walked over to the note 10.1 2014 (mine is arriving tomorrow by delivery), and against whites there was an obvious yellow discoloration on the bottom right corner, as if from leftover adhesive or what not. I've not read ANYTHING like that for the notes, but I just finished returning the 4th lg g pad over it (if you go over to the lg g pad section of xda, under general and QA/Screen quality, you will see what I speak of..)
At this point all I can do is pray haha

Good luck with your note. I have had mine for a few months now and have yet to experience any sort of issues with the screen. Demo units at stores I think are more likely to have issues because of the amount of wear and abuse they get rom random people/kids fondling them.

So far this tablet is totally forgotten by Samsung.
I'm still at mj6 for 3 months, the tablet lags , the lock screen takes 3 secs to wake up and Samsung does not even care.
My advice stay away from note 10.1 2014.
Why care for a product that's already forgotten by the manufacturer?
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Lympe said:
So far this tablet is totally forgotten by Samsung.
I'm still at mj6 for 3 months, the tablet lags , the lock screen takes 3 secs to wake up and Samsung does not even care.
My advice stay away from note 10.1 2014.
Why care for a product that's already forgotten by the manufacturer?
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I've hard of occasional lag but I doubt a 3-4 month old tab has been forgotten

Well here is my first review.
A beautiful tablet, but a bit on the heavy side. Unfortunately I am returning this one as well - severe light bleeding on the bottom and right side in landscape mode. at least 8-9 spots illuminating the screen.
I think God's telling me to drop the tablet idea altogether..
I might try once more with the note though, it really does look beautiful

Tablets as a form factor
evak2979 said:
Well here is my first review.
A beautiful tablet, but a bit on the heavy side. Unfortunately I am returning this one as well - severe light bleeding on the bottom and right side in landscape mode. at least 8-9 spots illuminating the screen.
I think God's telling me to drop the tablet idea altogether..
I might try once more with the note though, it really does look beautiful
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This tablet is fast and smooth. I have noticed light bleed on all tablets that I have owned (nexus 7, nexus 7 2013, Asus Tranformer Ifinity TF-701, Samsung Note 10.1 2014.
I am happy with this new tablet, since some selfish bastard broke into my house and stole my TF-701. This tablet by far has the best resolution, and the best display of all I have owned. The light bleed is minimal compared to the nexus 7s.
Maybe I got a good one, or I have just gotten used to light bleed on larger formats.
I would recommend this tablet, as long as you are comfortable with Touchwiz, and Samsung's way of doing things.

Hankafyin said:
This tablet is fast and smooth. I have noticed light bleed on all tablets that I have owned (nexus 7, nexus 7 2013, Asus Tranformer Ifinity TF-701, Samsung Note 10.1 2014.
I am happy with this new tablet, since some selfish bastard broke into my house and stole my TF-701. This tablet by far has the best resolution, and the best display of all I have owned. The light bleed is minimal compared to the nexus 7s.
Maybe I got a good one, or I have just gotten used to light bleed on larger formats.
I would recommend this tablet, as long as you are comfortable with Touchwiz, and Samsung's way of doing things.
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It looks wonderful but mine had severe light bleeding, 6 distinct spots at left side, 4 at bottom, nothing symmetrical about them. Getting one from John lewis tomorrow hoping I will be lucky ☺

evak2979 said:
It looks wonderful but mine had severe light bleeding, 6 distinct spots at left side, 4 at bottom, nothing symmetrical about them. Getting one from John lewis tomorrow hoping I will be lucky ☺
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New unit light bleed as well. 5 spots at bottom (which i didn't really mind, small ones), big one at top though...
Let's see how the next one does. I'll be getting a note, for sure. But I want to get bang for my buck Thank God for John Lewis return service, so let's see...
P.S. Whomever stated that Ipad air is superior to this device is a moron like no other...

I just picked one up about 2 hours ago from Brandsmart. With the display at 100% on a black background it has 6 at the bottom. It looks like small spot lights shinning up. It's charging now but if I notice it with normal use I will return it. I also have the tab 3 10.1 I got for Xmas. It had a few bad spots so I swapped it out. Now I'm good to go. Some are just worse then others. Kind of like women
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Peeodee said:
I just picked one up about 2 hours ago from Brandsmart. With the display at 100% on a black background it has 6 at the bottom. It looks like small spot lights shinning up. It's charging now but if I notice it with normal use I will return it. I also have the tab 3 10.1 I got for Xmas. It had a few bad spots so I swapped it out. Now I'm good to go. Some are just worse then others. Kind of like women
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Look at this :/
I am going to try a couple more times and then give up altogether.
P.S., this is the second one., compared to my new N 7 2013. First was FAR worse. Seeing this comparison I think I'll pass on the excuse that lightbleeding is part of the LCD technology

evak2979 said:
Look at this :/
I am going to try a couple more times and then give up altogether.
P.S., this is the second one., compared to my new N 7 2013. First was FAR worse. Seeing this comparison I think I'll pass on the excuse that lightbleeding is part of the LCD technology
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Whatever note you get you will get light bleed, but don't see the problem if it isn't noticeable in normal use, I never sit in dark room with the brightness full with a black screen, do u?
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reubenskelly1992 said:
Whatever note you get you will get light bleed, but don't see the problem if it isn't noticeable in normal use, I never sit in dark room with the brightness full with a black screen, do u?
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It was visible watching a movie full brightness in a lit room, and very noticeable at 40% brightness in a dark room. For 450 pounds I definitely have a problem with it especially since my travelling budget device (199 pounds) out performs with same style of panel...

evak2979 said:
It was visible watching a movie full brightness in a lit room, and very noticeable at 40% brightness in a dark room. For 450 pounds I definitely have a problem with it especially since my travelling budget device (199 pounds) out performs with same style of panel...
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Mine is fine. At 100% brightness on a black background it shows a little on some angles but watching movies or viewing pics it's not bleeding into the screen.
Yeah yours looked bad.
Good luck

Peeodee said:
Mine is fine. At 100% brightness on a black background it shows a little on some angles but watching movies or viewing pics it's not bleeding into the screen.
Yeah yours looked bad.
Good luck
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Thanks mate I am glad you got a good unit....3 pieces inc tomorrow. 3 pieces. One has to be good !!!

evak2979 said:
Thanks mate I am glad you got a good unit....3 pieces inc tomorrow. 3 pieces. One has to be good !!!
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Here's mine at 100%

Is this normal or is my screen faulty?

Hi can people please verify if this is a problem or normal. I noticed the whites on the screen have a yellow hue to them from what I would call a normal position. But if I tip it at an angle the whites get purer and the colours better all together. Really bugging me. Any thoughts?
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Was just going to post this exact same thing, you bet me to it by 20 minutes!
Yes, my whites have a yellow tint when viewed head on, but become perfectly white when tilted at a slight angle. This is easily seen when viewing websites.
I assume it's due to the technology, disappointing given all the fanfare surrounding this display, but I still wouldn't change this tablet for any other, it's still far superior all round.

I have it as well . Could be by design and part of the AMOLED. Not a defect per se?

Yeah I would never replace now it's normal and not just mine, just a shame because at an angle you can see what whites it can produce. Bit confusing why it's the worse head on?? Could it be software possibly? Slightly dissapointed as one of the things I didn't like about my galaxy note 10.1 2014 ed display was the yellowish whites.
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This is pretty typical of Amoled displays.
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Really weird. Why wouldn't it the best on head on view? Confusing
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yeah its amoled. my gs4 did the same thing.
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So weird. But dossapointed with that. The screen is stunning other than that. Can it be adjusted through software? It can obvioulst produce better whites then it shows on the screen head on
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I have the same issue, in fact, I've had this issue on all of my AMOLED devices. Head on view is either green/yellowish and from an angle is actually not pure white, as many here assume, but it has a cold blue tint, which makes whites look whiter. My Galaxy Note 2 that I still use has way more yellow hue on the whites but it's more evened out on the screen whereas on the Tab S it's always like a big round spot in the middle of the screen that moves around when I tilt it, which is kind of annoying as it's more noticeable.. I've been thinking about returning my Tab S because of this issue plus the fact that the battery life is horrible.. absolutely horrible. Worst battery life I've ever experienced. Should have at least double the battery life...

Yep mine has a very subtle blue tint too, but it's near enough to be of no concern. Battery life was terrible on mine, but only for the first few days, it needs to cycle through a few charges first to settle in, it's way better now after a weeks use.

Bit gutted. Was hoping the whites would be much purer. Other than that this tablet is a beast. Battery not too bad. Not great but a lot have said it takes a few days so will drain it and charge it a few times before I make a real judgement
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Not to be the fly in the ointment here while everyone is agreeing, but the whites on my 10.5 are stark white straight on without even a hint of yellow. I am wondering if perhaps the people seeing this yellow effect are also the ones experiencing significant stuttering and lag?
I have not seen this issue mentioned in any retailer user reviews and professional reviewers have extoled the whiteness of the whites. I'm sure you are seeing what you are seeing but I don't believe it is common for this screen.
Have you tried setting it on Cinema Mode and making sure Reading Mode is disabled? Also try disabling auto adjust on screen tone.
I would compare the white on my screen to a piece of typing paper. Here's a screen shot - this is pretty much exactly what I see in person. Lol, sadly if you are seeing your whites as yellow this will also appear yellow. I suggest you view it on your PC
Can you post an image of your yellow or blue screen. I'd like to see what you are seeing.

mitchellvii said:
Not to be the fly in the ointment here while everyone is agreeing, but the whites on my 10.5 are stark white straight on without even a hint of yellow. I am wondering if perhaps the people seeing this yellow effect are also the ones experiencing significant stuttering and lag?
I have not seen this issue mentioned in any retailer user reviews and professional reviewers have extoled the whiteness of the whites. I'm sure you are seeing what you are seeing but I don't believe it is common for this screen.
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Well I must be very unlucky with my galaxy s5 and galaxy note 2 because they both exhibit these traits which are very common with amoled displays. Google it and you will see. Whites have never been as good on an amoled display compared to an LCD display. It has nothing to do with lag and stutter! This has been discussed in many a samsung forum over the years. It's not just a yellow tint, but also pink, it just depends. I'm used to it now because the benefits of amoled far outweigh the negatives.
All I can say is cherish your 'perfect' 10.5. As it may be one of a kind
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simacca said:
Well I must be very unlucky with my galaxy s5 and galaxy note 2 because they both exhibit these traits which are very common with amoled displays. Google it and you will see. Whites have never been as good on an amoled display compared to an LCD display. It has nothing to do with lag and stutter! This has been discussed in many a samsung forum over the years. It's not just a yellow tint, but also pink, it just depends. I'm used to it now because the benefits of amoled far outweigh the negatives.
All I can say is cherish your 'perfect' 10.5. As it may be one of a kind
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I'm not disputing what you see, however I did post a screen shot and that is exactly what I see. I recommend you view it on your PC if your tab isn't reproducing whites properly. My question regarding the lag or stutter was to see if there may be a connection between this screen color issue and lag or stutter.
If you read Tab S reviews by both professionals and owners making comments at retail sites I don't believe you will see a lot of complaints about this issue. Also, the amoled screen on the Tab S is supposed to be the most advanced ever. The presence of discoloration on prior devices does not apply here.
As a matter of fact, I don't recall a single major Tab S reviewer mentioning this as a problem. There is the possibility your Tab S is defective.
P.S., I own a Note 3 and the whites on my Tab S are far superior. Whites on my Note 3 do have a slight yellow cast as you describe.
Can you post a picture of what you are describing for me?

i dont find any tint at all on the whites of my note 3. i remember on my s2 and note 2 there was but my note 3 so far none...

mitchellvii said:
I'm not disputing what you see, however I did post a screen shot and that is exactly what I see. I recommend you view it on your PC if your tab isn't reproducing whites properly. My question regarding the lag or stutter was to see if there may be a connection between this screen color issue and lag or stutter.
If you read Tab S reviews by both professionals and owners making comments at retail sites I don't believe you will see a lot of complaints about this issue. Also, the amoled screen on the Tab S is supposed to be the most advanced ever. The presence of discoloration on prior devices does not apply here.
As a matter of fact, I don't recall a single major Tab S reviewer mentioning this. There is the possibility your Tab S is defective.
P.S., I own a Note 3 and the whites on my Tab S are far superior. Whites on my Note 3 do have a slight yellow cast as you describe.
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Posting a screen shot is pointless because everyone's screen is calibrated differently and you only really notice the off white colour when tilting the screen slightly. No major galaxy s5 or galaxy note 2 reviewer ever mentioned this either, but you can find plenty of stories in forums regarding the 'problem'. It's common knowledge in the forums I frequent. I don't consider my tab s to be defective. I consider amoled still in its infancy and will be improved on in future iterations.
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Posting a screen shot is pointless because everyone's screen is calibrated differently and you only really notice the off white colour when tilting the screen slightly. No major galaxy s5 or galaxy note 2 reviewer ever mentioned this either, but you can find plenty of stories in forums regarding the 'problem'. It's common knowledge in the forums I frequent. I don't consider my tab s to be defective. I consider amoled still in its infancy and will be improved on in future iterations.
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In the OP the author states that his problem is a yellow screen when looking straight on, not tilted. Of course the screen will show odd colors when tilted but who uses their tablet in that manner? Also you need to keep in mind that people posting in Forums have come there because they have a problem. It is not a fair representation of the marketplace as a whole. Forum posts regarding amoled performance of prior devices don't really apply here as those were less advanced screens.
Regardless, the screen shot I posted is what I see. Whites are white on my device. I do not question what you see although I would still like to see a screen shot out of curiosity.
To directly answer the OP's question as to whether whites appearing yellow when viewed directly is normal, I would say based upon my experience that no, it is not normal.

mitchellvii said:
In the OP the author states that his problem is a yellow screen when looking straight on, not tilted. Of course the screen will show odd colors when tilted but who uses their tablet in that manner? Also you need to keep in mind that people posting in Forums have come there because they have a problem. It is not a fair representation of the marketplace as a whole. Forum posts regarding amoled performance of prior devices don't really apply here as those were less advanced screens.
Regardless, the screen shot I posted is what I see. Whites are white. I do not question what you see although I would still like to see a screen shot out of curiosity.
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Looking straight on or tilting slightly, whites are not pure white like a half decent LCD is.
Of course people in these forums are a fair representation of the marketplace. Without them we would only have the 'professional' reviewers, who are never bias, to go on. Yeah right. Give me a free gadget and I will write a glowing review. Thankyou very much, kerching! ...
It's nice to know what problems may or may not arise if we buy one of these latest and greatest gadgets. Also we would never find out about different tweaks, roms, etc, that make our gadgets run even better if it wasn't for these people.
You won't get a screenshot out of me for the reason I stated before.
I have nothing else to say on this topic other than what I said before.... Cherish your perfect tab!
Farewell.
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simacca said:
Of course people in these forums are a fair representation of the marketplace. Without them we would only have the 'professional' reviewers, who are never bias, to go on. Yeah right. Give me a free gadget and I will write a glowing review. Thankyou very much, kerching! ...
It's nice to know what problems may or may not arise if we buy one of these latest and greatest gadgets. Also we would never find out about different tweaks, roms, etc, that make our gadgets run even better if it wasn't for these people.
You won't get a screenshot out of me for the reason I stated before.
I have nothing else to say on this topic other than what I said before.... Cherish your perfect tab!
Farewell.
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I'm not sure why you are being combative. The OP is concerned about a yellow hue when viewing the tablet directly and I was hoping to help him with that problem by sharing that it is not normal. I also owned the Tab Pro and found whites there to be grayish compared to the Tab S.
We have an excellent source of unbiased views from average people, those who have purchased from retail sites such as BestBuy. As far as professional reviews always being biased because they received a free tablet, I think that would mean we would be seeing a lot more glowing reviews out there. Some can be quite brutal, especially Verge and CNET where they tend to love Apple products and disdain Android and Windows.
My Tab S is not special. Based upon what I've read it is quite normal.
Good luck. Enjoy your tablet

I'll take a screen shot if you like, but you'll have to tell me how to do it! But I doubt it will show anything as I believe it's to do with the new tech (high res amoled) and is therefore device specific. Also people's colour perception will differ and therefore some may see it while others won't.
There's always a few tradeoffs been at the cutting edge of tech. I bought this tab mainly because it has the same screen technology that my future TV will have when I upgrade in 4 or 5 years time. I'm hoping by then that any teething problems will have been sorted. This Tab is just a step in that direction.
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I've just looked at the screen on my HTC One S and just noticed for the first time that it does the exact same thing, and that must be three years old now, just shows what you can find when looking for it. This is undoubtedly a symptom of the tech.

5t screen resolution compared to today's flagships. Is it good enough?

Hello everyone.
In considering the Oneplus 5t as a replacement to my good old Samsung note 4, especially for the price compared to today's flashships.
One of the main factors when I chose any device is the screen quality. I understand the 5t scores really high in this sector, but I'm worried about the resolution and screen DPI.
My note 4 and all today's flagships have higher resolutions, and I'm wondering if anyone has compared the 5t screen with other devices and can notice any real difference in daily life, mainly while browsing pictures were pixels become more evident.
I considered the Note 8 and LG v30, but I really can't stand those curved edges, and I don't need a pen since I don't use the one on my note 4.
Thanks!!

KamaL said:
Hello everyone.
In considering the Oneplus 5t as a replacement to my good old Samsung note 4, especially for the price compared to today's flagships.
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I upgraded from the Note 4 to the OP3T and then the 5T. My decision was based on easy root and Dev community. I cannot notice a significant difference in screen resolution (if you look at TV resolution guides you'll see that you need to be insanely close to the screen to notice on something as small as a phone). OnePlus allows you to manually adjust the DPI to suit your preference so you can have tiny icons and such. I love this phone compared to my Note 4. Way snappier and no slow down from TW.
I personally have never thought "this screen would be better if it was 4k". But Samsung's infinity display is definitely a better display if that is your only concern.

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I upgraded from the Note 4 to the OP3T and then the 5T. My decision was based on easy root and Dev community. I cannot notice a significant difference in screen resolution (if you look at TV resolution guides you'll see that you need to be insanely close to the screen to notice on something as small as a phone). OnePlus allows you to manually adjust the DPI to suit your preference so you can have tiny icons and such. I love this phone compared to my Note 4. Way snappier and no slow down from TW.
I personally have never thought "this screen would be better if it was 4k". But Samsung's infinity display is definitely a better display if that is your only concern.
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Thanks for the reply.
Since you had a note 4, how would you compare the screen with the 5t one? Would you consider the 5t an upgrade in terms of quality, color accuracy, brightness, watching angles etc?
Also, is the 5t camera overall an upgrade compared to the note 4?
Thanks

KamaL said:
Thanks for the reply.
Since you had a note 4, how would you compare the screen with the 5t one? Would you consider the 5t an upgrade in terms of quality, color accuracy, brightness, watching angles etc?
Also, is the 5t camera overall an upgrade compared to the note 4?
Thanks
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Full disclosure I didn't use the camera on the Note 4 all that much, but looking through the pictures that I took with it the OP5T seems to take much better pictures. The portrait mode is also great to have.
As for the screen, I personally don't notice a difference in quality. Small text still has clearly defined edges that I can see. I don't use my phone for VR so I can't comment there. I really like the colors on the display and didn't notice any significant color difference between the two, but this is subjective. It is plenty bright and I think that might be an upgrade from the Note 4 as I seem to recall having to manually adjust the brightness to actually see it whenever I stepped outside and still having some issues. Viewing angles are also great with this phone. I don't have any color shift unless it's a pretty extreme angle.
The one thing the screen has going for it is it's size and lack of bezels, which I really love. Other than that I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find a significant difference between the two unless you looked really closely or had special equipment. So not really an upgrade in screen quality, but definitely not a downgrade. The rest of the phone is a huge improvement though. Way faster to use and a much better update schedule.

shadeau said:
Full disclosure I didn't use the camera on the Note 4 all that much, but looking through the pictures that I took with it the OP5T seems to take much better pictures. The portrait mode is also great to have.
As for the screen, I personally don't notice a difference in quality. Small text still has clearly defined edges that I can see. I don't use my phone for VR so I can't comment there. I really like the colors on the display and didn't notice any significant color difference between the two, but this is subjective. It is plenty bright and I think that might be an upgrade from the Note 4 as I seem to recall having to manually adjust the brightness to actually see it whenever I stepped outside and still having some issues. Viewing angles are also great with this phone. I don't have any color shift unless it's a pretty extreme angle.
The one thing the screen has going for it is it's size and lack of bezels, which I really love. Other than that I'd say you'd be hard pressed to find a significant difference between the two unless you looked really closely or had special equipment. So not really an upgrade in screen quality, but definitely not a downgrade. The rest of the phone is a huge improvement though. Way faster to use and a much better update schedule.
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Thanks . Such a reply is much better than any review on the net, as you gave real life experience.
I'm really satisfied with the Note 4 display, and if this isn't a downgrade, that's grade. Being with much less bezels and overall lighter is a huge plus too.

I'm a Note 4 to 3T and now 5T convert.
Updates aren't an issue with OP, they're doing a fine job now. If I had to complain, and I don't need to, it's the security updates are always behind.
I don't have the issues that a lot of others are having. I also don't have a lot of crap apps on my phone. 100% stock with dark theme, BT always on, brightness between half and 3/4 and I'm averaging 1.25 day of battery and 8hrs of SOT.
In regards to the screen, it's made by Samsung. I'm surprised at how easy it was to adjust to. Choose your preset or customize it and run with it.
Camera, hmm, it's good but not as good as the Note 4 in low lighting. Once you get to know how to use the camera, other pics come out quite nicely. Most of the pics I take are of circuit boards and car parts.
Audio, unfortunately I'm hearing impaired so I try not to comment on it. I will say that it seems like every other update the volume output changes either up or down. I notice this when I'm connected via BT to my cars radio.
I can't walk and chew gum so I'm not a VR user.

Hellz yeah it is. It's excellent and it's even better than some QHD displays out there like the G6.
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I honestly wouldn't worry about the screen resolution, it's fine, honest. On the plus side, the HD+ screen means the GPU has less pixels to push around.
My best advice would be to compare it side by side with other devices in the flesh if you can, that way you can see if you like the colour tone of the screen. I've spent several years using a succession of cheap devices bought directly from China. All of them have had LCD screens rather than AMOLED. I'm finding it very hard to get used to the screen because it looks so yellow whenever looking at anything white. If you want accurate colours (reds and blues accurate) you need to have the screen set to sRGB or DCI P3 and with either of those options whites look very yellow indeed. I've compared my phone to two other 5ts now and they have all been the same. I think I'm gradually getting used to it, but I've had to set the screen colour to 'custom' and as cool possible to get anywhere close to acceptable whites. The downside of this is it comes with very oversaturated reds. When comparing the 5t to the panels on the S8+ and Note, they seem whiter and generally a better panel.
Having said all this, I'm happy with the device in most ways and the resolution is basically fine for me.

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When comparing the 5t to the panels on the S8+ and Note, they seem whiter and generally a better panel.
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I actually find that the Samsung panels that I've been looking at (S8/Note 8/S7) have been generally the same as the 5T as far as whites go (very good), but the S8/Note 8 tends to have reddish whites and the S7 had a greenish white. The 5T was much better.

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I actually find that the Samsung panels that I've been looking at (S8/Note 8/S7) have been generally the same as the 5T as far as whites go (very good), but the S8/Note 8 tends to have reddish whites and the S7 had a greenish white. The 5T was much better.
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That's interesting, I wonder if the type of lighting makes a difference? In the shop where I compared them my eyes honestly thought the Samsungs had more pop AND better colours. Their whites were closest to the LCD screen on my old Xiaomi Redmi Note 2. I also felt that the middle range Samsung's had all the same 'issues' as my 5t, i.e. a bit yellow when displaying white backgrounds, and very over saturated reds that look almost scarlet or florescent. I guess it must come down to what each person is used to and how they perceive colour? I'm gradually getting used to the 5t and I really like how it looks when playing a game. Doom 3 looks really lovely on it

Ouzo said:
That's interesting, I wonder if the type of lighting makes a difference? In the shop where I compared them my eyes honestly thought the Samsungs had more pop AND better colours. Their whites were closest to the LCD screen on my old Xiaomi Redmi Note 2. I also felt that the middle range Samsung's had all the same 'issues' as my 5t, i.e. a bit yellow when displaying white backgrounds, and very over saturated reds that look almost scarlet or florescent. I guess it must come down to what each person is used to and how they perceive colour? I'm gradually getting used to the 5t and I really like how it looks when playing a game. Doom 3 looks really lovely on it
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I think there are a lot of factors going on. Lighting, personal perception, etc.

I went from the original Oneplus One to the Nexus 6P and now to the 5T. At first, I was also a bit worried that the display on the 5T would be less sharp compared to the 6P, due to the difference in DPI. But when I got the 5T, I could hardly tell the difference. The display was just as good and even brighter and vivid.

Although OP5T screen is beautiful perfect, But if screen is still a concern, LG V30 is a way to go.
I guess only difference is resolution...Pixel counts.

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Although OP5T screen is beautiful perfect, But if screen is still a concern, LG V30 is a way to go.
I guess only difference is resolution...Pixel counts.
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Uhm, no.
The V30 has one of the worst screens of all current (flagship) phones.
The one in the 5T is way, way better.

In direct comparison with the S8 I can tell the difference. But its not to great. Colors and everything else are really similar. Unless you use it for VR its very ok in my opinion.

Pfeffernuss said:
Uhm, no.
The V30 has one of the worst screens of all current (flagship) phones.
The one in the 5T is way, way better.
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Can confirm. Had a pixel 2 xl for a few weeks (same LG POLED panel). Brightness uniformity is horrible and whites are very grainy. Don't miss anything about that display.

Question Do I need to return my f3 because of the screen?

So I finally got my f3, it has been perfect in every aspect, even the screen looks good, but the eye fatigue is simply too much.
I have tried to reduce DPI to minimum, reduce brightness, use reading + paper mode. After these changes it did get noticeably better, but it is still annoying.
I have Samsung galaxy s5 that also has an amoled display, but I don't get the same issue there. Also regular laptop and computer monitors are fine.
So anything to do on the software side to make it better? If not, then what other similar phone would you recommend that has a different screen.

Have you tried enabling DC dimming? For some people (not everyone) the PWM flickering causes some discomfort. I can't see any difference, but I'm glad the option is there.

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Have you tried enabling DC dimming? For some people (not everyone) the PWM flickering causes some discomfort. I can't see any difference, but I'm glad the option is there.
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F3 does not have DC dimming.

The option is there on custom roms, I assumed it was available on stock as well.

Do you know why you have eye fatique? What's the problem?

dreamytom said:
Do you know why you have eye fatique? What's the problem?
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The text and screen looks somehow muddy compared to LCD screen. Text is not as sharp, or at least eyes feel so, and it is harder to focus to text and objects.
Yes, the screen looks impressive, but can't really use it.

LCD screens are always sharper than their OLED counterparts, but hey there might be a slight problem with your eyes or maybe you've got sensitive eyes. therefore, I can only suggest that you get an LCD device or test an oled before buying. btw I have no problem with the panel even though I prefer LCD panels (no burn in issues in LCDs etc.).
there is still one small thing that I have noticed, there a very slight white line/shadow under the black text and it's more noticeable when the text is bigger like when Im in settings, all the titles or texts seem to have that white shadow under them. Has any of you noticed that? I might make a thread for it later but I just dont care. the screen is waaaay better than my last OLED which was ROG phone 2 with red tint and huge bandings and awful black crush issues...

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LCD screens are always sharper than their OLED counterparts, but hey there might be a slight problem with your eyes or maybe you've got sensitive eyes. therefore, I can only suggest that you get an LCD device or test an oled before buying. btw I have no problem with the panel even though I prefer LCD panels (no burn in issues in LCDs etc.).
there is still one small thing that I have noticed, there a very slight white line/shadow under the black text and it's more noticeable when the text is bigger like when Im in settings, all the titles or texts seem to have that white shadow under them. Has any of you noticed that? I might make a thread for it later but I just dont care. the screen is waaaay better than my last OLED which was ROG phone 2 with red tint and huge bandings and awful black crush issues...
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I personally use Syberia and have no problems with shadows under text.
Thankfully, I don't have eye strain.

Never had a problem on my end you might want to bust some glasses