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Galaxy S II with WP7 ahhh

Granted I haven't had my hand on the new Samsung Galaxy SII but looking at (I hate to say engadget review on the hardware) I think this would be an ultimate flagship design for wp7 (I know the processor hasn't been approved) but man that device looks nice and I have been very happy with my focus for a while now I am wanting this bad boy (am I bad I have had an HTC for the last 6yrs).

Mental diarrhea sprayed onto an XDA post. Nice work!

dreaming is not diarrhea lol
The Os performs great with the current standards if they are going to make a tiered version (which they will if Nokia intends on making a low cost wp7) why not make a high dollar one?

Yes its android its gud
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Actually, watching the video on Engadget, it still lags (Android I mean)...

Yes, GS2 with WP7 FTW!
I think GS2 is currently the ultimate phone.

amtrakcn said:
Yes, GS2 with WP7 FTW!
I think GS2 is currently the ultimate phone.
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Yeah, the specs are nice...but it's ugly, as was the Galaxy S
Why can't the do a design like the Galaxy S had in the Gorgio Armani edition? Or something like the SE X10?
The Omnia7 is the only Samsung high-end phone that looks good (could be better but at least it has edges and isn't rounded everywhere).

skycamefalling said:
Yeah, the specs are nice...but it's ugly, as was the Galaxy S
Why can't the do a design like the Galaxy S had in the Gorgio Armani edition? Or something like the SE X10?
The Omnia7 is the only Samsung high-end phone that looks good (could be better but at least it has edges and isn't rounded everywhere).
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So you like Captivate

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So you like Captivate
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Yeah, that one looks like the Armani Edition -really nice. I may have ended up with Android when the Galaxy S in Austria looked like this. So I waited for a decent phone and finally ended up with the Omnia7...it has been a good decision after all

kapanak said:
Actually, watching the video on Engadget, it still lags (Android I mean)...
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if you notice, he's doing a full screen screen capture, while using the camera, with sound, in720p, I wouldn't call that lag, I'd call it awesome.

ohgood said:
if you notice, he's doing a full screen screen capture, while using the camera, with sound, in720p, I wouldn't call that lag, I'd call it awesome.
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I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.

domineus said:
I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.
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What I was saying/hinting in order to make a statement (which don't get me wrong everyone including my girl that I have let play with my wp7 want one and thats coming from iphone/android). But at the gym last night there was a guy with a attrix with a wp7 skin and I slapped him (silly foul for fun) because he was false claiming lol (forgive me its Friday). But really they need a wow factor phone because basically alot of people just buy for specs I hate to say (like people @ the gym I workout at) all they talk about is my phone has a 5-8mp camera and a dual processor blah blah, and I just said my phone works and quite well.

domineus said:
I think he means in normal operations the lag is there. Which it is, let's be real. Android lags, till google changes their h/w graphics acceleration, that won't be changing
That said, I was thinking that wp7 may need a few flagship dual cores just to make itself viable for users. Many will say look at android - dual core. Look at apple iphone - dual core [soon] and wp7 no...
I think by January there needs to be dual core optimized code and ASAP. As far as the G II, the screen looks amazing. Samoled has spoiled me in the focus and the (god awful) dvp. So I may consider that as an option especially if there are devs for samsung platform.
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ahhhhh, ok i see it! I wonder if that is a beta hardware, or what version software its running. oddly, I haven't used a ota update or stock rom since the 1.x days. lag is something I just haven't experienced since then... and it puzzles me when I see so many commnets about it really.,

Lag has been the signature of Samsung Galaxy S. It remains to be seen that if S2 can improve on that. The reasons are two folds:
1. The Android OS's own problem (lack of hardware accel and poor garbage collection)
2. Samsung's insistence of using its antiquated RFS file system which is significantly worse than the common ext2 or 4 file system.
And there is really on dual-core support in Android OS in the immediate future. The Dalvik VM used in Android is single core only. Currently only the tablet OS, Honeycomb, supports dual-core.
In the end, what a waste of that beautiful hardware!

Nice work。。。。

Would love this with WP7.

You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.

vetvito said:
You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.
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we did hence the discussion about the LAG. Look I like the specs myself because they would make any developer salivate and want to at least test it for a spell - myself included. But even still, lag is lag and it's there.
We can call out all of wp inconsistencies till the cow comes home but do it to android its a fight. It's a pretty rational discussion about the SII and there have been no flames. Us, just like you, have watched the video and read the reviews. Let's not assume no one hasn't
And there is really on dual-core support in Android OS in the immediate future. The Dalvik VM used in Android is single core only. Currently only the tablet OS, Honeycomb, supports dual-core.
In the end, what a waste of that beautiful hardware!
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Technically most android d/cs...
for the moment again until something at android changes

A slight jerk one time, is that considered lag?

vetvito said:
You guys should read the review. No lag, only sign of it is when doing a expose with fully loaded home screens. Even then it was barely noticeable.
Browsing was smooth on flash heavy sites. Read the entire review and watch the videos.
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My hd7 is lagy and inernet browsing is pain full with ie ****

Did Google make a BIG MISTAKE by putting a weak GPU in a phone with 720p Display?

Did Google make a BIG MISTAKE by putting a weak GPU in a phone with 720p Display?
I love this live wallpaper, but it makes the UI lag horribly!
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tokyopop.wallpaper.panda.free
However, it's smooth on the Nexus S.
It's not a complex live wallpaper, it barely moves at all, yet the GN can't handle it?
When I first read that Google decided to use a 2-3yr old GPU in the Nexus, I thought, okay, it might be alright if the OS is optimized to use it, but now it seems like Google made a HUGE MISTAKE and should've gone with the most powerful and current GPU available.
Why do companies do this??!
Even Google employees admit, in their G+ blogs that the GN has A LOT OF PIXELS to push! So, knowing that, what did they use a weak ass GPU??
I love my phone but I wished Google would stop f'ckng up like this.

I suspect you are jumping to conclusions when you blame the hardware for this issue.

I just downloaded it for the hell of it and it ran just fine on mine. I am using NOVA launcher but I don't seem to have any problems with it. Try NOVA launcher and see if you get the same lag.

Not all the Live Wallpapers are enabled for hardware acceleration so become laggy - it's not Google's fault, it's the dev of the wallpaper for not enabling it

There are only two GPUs better, Mali-400 (SGS2) and 543 (iPhone 4S) so I think you should read more tech stuff before call it weak.
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Read this:
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
Some have raised points along the lines of Samsung Galaxy S2 phones already having a smoother UI and indicating that they are doing something different vs. the Galaxy Nexus. When comparing individual devices though you really need to look at all of the factors. For example, the S2's screen is 480x800 vs. the Galaxy Nexus at 720x1280. If the Nexus S could already do 60fps for simple UIs on its 480x800, the CPU in the S2's is even better off.
The real important difference between these two screens is just that the Galaxy Nexus has 2.4x as many pixels that need to be drawn as the S2. This means that to achieve the same efficiency at drawing the screen, you need a CPU that can run a single core at 2.4x the speed (and rendering a UI for a single app is essentially not parallelizable, so multiple cores isn't going to save you).
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Don't really think its the gpu. I run games that are very 3d heavy with little to no lag at all. I think I read somewhere that some live wall papers are not optimized for ics just yet. Hence why the ones that come with the gnex (phase beam) have no lag.
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Neo3D said:
Read this:
https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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Of course it makes sense. Those of us with slow computers/gpu can always get some extra FPS in games by lowering the resolution. Fewer pixels = less work.
From what someone else said above, it appears the developer of this particular wallpaper may not have enabled hardware acceleration. If that's the case, the specifics of the GPU are not even related to this problem.

joelteixeira said:
There are only two GPUs better, Mali-400 (SGS2) and 543 (iPhone 4S) so I think you should read more tech stuff before call it weak.
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Oh, and just a side note. It's not the "same" from three years ago. The chipset used before was 4430 and now 4460, working on 384Mhz.
I strongly suggest you to read this:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4413/ti-announces-omap-4470-and-specs-powervr-sgx544-18-ghz-dual-core-cortexa9

holmes6 said:
Of course it makes sense. Those of us with slow computers/gpu can always get some extra FPS in games by lowering the resolution. Fewer pixels = less work.
From what someone else said above, it appears the developer of this particular wallpaper may not have enabled hardware acceleration. If that's the case, the specifics of the GPU are not even related to this problem.
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But, it makes you wonder, if Google KNEW that it takes a more powerful CPU/GPU to push 2.4x more pixels, why did not use the latest CPU/GPU's available to them?

Neo3D said:
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https://plus.google.com/105051985738280261832/posts/2FXDCz8x93s
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Title of thread says gpu. However now you are talking about cpu (with what you quoted).
Make up your mind on whats weak?

Neo3D said:
But, it makes you wonder, if Google KNEW that it takes a more powerful CPU/GPU to push 2.4x more pixels, why did not use the latest CPU/GPU's available to them?
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Samsung might have a winner with Exynos, but for whatever reason, they do not work with high speed radios. This includes Tmobile's high speed network (The 42mbps one) and Verizon's LTE.
So, who do you blame? Google? Nah.

Could Samsung have equipped the GSM Galaxy Nexus with Exynos 4210? YES.
Would the Exynos support LTE? NO.
Will Verizon be the #1 customer of the Galaxy Nexus? YES.
Therefore, was it cheaper to use one base hardware configuration that can accept both HSPA+ and LTE-enabled radios? YES.
Now you know why the SGN uses OMAP4.

Neo3D said:
Did Google make a BIG MISTAKE by putting a weak GPU in a phone with 720p Display?
love this live wallpaper, but it makes the UI lag horribly!
it seems like Google made a HUGE MISTAKE and should've gone with the most powerful and current GPU available.
I love my phone but I wished Google would stop f'ckng up like this.
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GPU is good
just think of it like car names, same name different model year
new improvements, knowledge, manufacturing process, and material technology
That said, everything perfectly smooth with Panda Wallpaper on 4.0.3 w/ 384mhz GPU.
You'll either have to wait for the official 4.0.3 (or better) release or flash custom rom or.... different phone

I think with the Galaxy Nexus, Google decided to showcase how better optimized the new OS version is. Manufacturers, like many mainly Android OEMs seem to be guilty of overpowered, not so optimized phones and using this as a justification for a premium price tag.
The Galaxy Nexus with it's "modest" specs in my opinion runs pretty smoothly, Android really has come a long way in terms of optimization and better process handling. That being said it isn't perfect yet, but then again it is the first release of this OS version, even other ecosystems are not exempt of such hiccups.

I think the question in this thread goes the opposite direction. Why did google choose this gpu? Because they purposely knew it was more than capable even with the higher res screen.
What i dont believe is that google shipped these live wallpapers that arent running correctly on this version. Thats a bone head move on them. The gpu can easily handle them as you can see by running certain ones. But its just not coded properly for the new nwxus.
And yes the nexus s may run them fine. But different hardware means strange issues arise that can be fixed hopefully quickly. I just dont believe that this gpu is a bad piece at all.

I am not sure if the blame goes to Google or more on Samsung who actually builds the phone.
Bottom line is, the "Nexus" phones are low sellers, don't make much money at all for Samsung or Google, compared to the more popular devices.
Yes us nerds complain about the hardware choice in the Galaxy-Nexus, but we are but a small .01% of the Android purchasers.
Samsung is kicking ass with the Galaxy SII, and the SIII is due out in Spring, their big money maker. The Nexus is but a blip on the radar in the big market picture.
This is a beta phone to test Android 4.0 ICS
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stere0xide said:
I think with the Galaxy Nexus, Google decided to showcase how better optimized the new OS version is. Manufacturers, like many mainly Android OEMs seem to be guilty of overpowered, not so optimized phones and using this as a justification for a premium price tag.
The Galaxy Nexus with it's "modest" specs in my opinion runs pretty smoothly, Android really has come a long way in terms of optimization and better process handling. That being said it isn't perfect yet, but then again it is the first release of this OS version, even other ecosystems are not exempt of such hiccups.
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That isn't the case at all. Google wanted to put a piece of technology that was stable in this phone to showcase ICS. It has a higher clock speed than this "old" gpu you're talking about anyways.
Thracks nailed it.

You're complaining about the GNex having SGX 540 with a 1280x720 display, but you forget than most tablets use WEAKER GPUs to push 1280x800 (Tegra 2 is tied only on a few workloads).
The SGX 540 is more than adequate. Besides it's a really bad idea to try hot new hardware with hot new software, that's just asking for a disaster; Google decided to use a true and tested chipset, which is a better idea for a REFERENCE PHONE. It sets the bare minimum for a good ICS experience. If you want a powerful device, grab the Galaxy S III when it comes out.

Neo3D said:
Did Google make a BIG MISTAKE by putting a weak GPU in a phone with 720p Display?
I love this live wallpaper, but it makes the UI lag horribly!
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.tokyopop.wallpaper.panda.free
However, it's smooth on the Nexus S.
It's not a complex live wallpaper, it barely moves at all, yet the GN can't handle it?
When I first read that Google decided to use a 2-3yr old GPU in the Nexus, I thought, okay, it might be alright if the OS is optimized to use it, but now it seems like Google made a HUGE MISTAKE and should've gone with the most powerful and current GPU available.
Why do companies do this??!
Even Google employees admit, in their G+ blogs that the GN has A LOT OF PIXELS to push! So, knowing that, what did they use a weak ass GPU??
I love my phone but I wished Google would stop f'ckng up like this.
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I was just about to put you on blast for this panda wallpaper but I just noticed your a chick lol.
As someone suggested before try nova launcher. Runs smooth on mine... Adwex had choppy apw widgets so I switched to nova and chop no more. Guess it goes for live wallpapers too
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[Q] One X Lag issues

Hey All,
After drooling and patiently waiting since the start of the year, I finally have the oppurtunity to test out the One X during its launch here in Malaysia sometime last week. I didn't want to believe it at first, but there is definitely noticeable lag when playing around with the phone(scrolling through the home screens and playing RIP TIDE). Battery was full. It definitely feels slower than my HTC Sensation XE. This is kind of a deal breaker for me. There are some sites like techradar and pocketnow.com that acknowledges the lag and even androidforums which has a thread addressing the lag issues. ( I can't post the link here but you can google it and find it in the first few results )
To my understanding, the reason for the lag is that most apps aren't coded to utilise the 4cores. What is the point of buying a premium priced quadcore phone when all I'm getting in return is limitations? If I'm wrong please correct me, as I am very dissapointed and for now undecided whether to get the One X or not.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks all.

My phone seems really smooth to me, especially after changing the launcher to nova launcher.

Noticed the same thing. Quite strange considering everything looks more slimline compared to Sense 3.6 which runs flawless on the Sensation.

ckck_92 said:
Hey All,
After drooling and patiently waiting since the start of the year, I finally have the oppurtunity to test out the One X during its launch here in Malaysia sometime last week. I didn't want to believe it at first, but there is definitely noticeable lag when playing around with the phone(scrolling through the home screens and playing RIP TIDE). Battery was full. It definitely feels slower than my HTC Sensation XE. This is kind of a deal breaker for me. There are some sites like techradar and pocketnow.com that acknowledges the lag and even androidforums which has a thread addressing the lag issues. ( I can't post the link here but you can google it and find it in the first few results )
To my understanding, the reason for the lag is that most apps aren't coded to utilise the 4cores. What is the point of buying a premium priced quadcore phone when all I'm getting in return is limitations? If I'm wrong please correct me, as I am very dissapointed and for now undecided whether to get the One X or not.
What are your thoughts?
Thanks all.
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Well......I didn't use it, but I didn't really think it would lag in general usage and opening apps, scrolling, etc...browser lag seems to be software side as most of the early bugs are.
Yes, barely anything is coded for 4-cores besides a few benchmarks and certain Tegra Zone games. IMO the quad-core is more of a marketing push as being the first quad-core SoC etc....no real huge benefits. The low power companion core of Tegra 3 doesn't seem to do much either besides being used when screen is off or maybe playing a movie.
You can wait for the XL with S4 krait, which is a better chipset IMO all around in general. Newer architecture, newer cores, less heat, less energy, and performs better than Tegra 3 in some benchmarks while also losing in some, so they trade some blows. But Krait is generally the better SoC for everyday use and will be faster in general IMO.
It probably won't have the same dev support though as the One X, it's your choice on what you want.
I personally don't think Tegra 3 is that good of an SoC compared to Krait and what has even yet to come very soon. It probably performs the same as the Sensation when the extra 2 cores aren't being used because it's running 4 Cortex-A9 cores which are the same exact cores found in most of last years phones, just that theres 2 more haha
My opinion would be to get the XL or wait till other phones start dropping, then make a choice.

Well, even single core phone should be able to handle everything smoothly if its software is done good for it and it's pretty obvious that Htc One X has slightly unfinished software so it could been released early, before Samsung, LG, Huawei, etc... Software can be later optimised for the device with upcoming updates.

I think its more sense needs tweaking tbh, when you put nova launcher on which practically makes it very similar to to stock ICS its buttery smooth even going in and out app draw and scrolling widgets, my GN wasn't as smooth in that situation.

Yeah I agree. Coming from a SGS2 the HTC OneX does have lag issues when scrolling through homescreens, going in and out of app launcher and especially when going into the multitasking menu.
Though i feel like Sense is to blame here.
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browser lag is caused by HTC swipe 3 finger mode, disable for full speed browser
launcher lag is caused by two factors, performance scaling with battery level and android memfree/priority values, they are flowed in ICS and HTC didn't seem to have tweaked them
easy to fix if you have root using the supercharger, it prevents apps pilling up in the background and conflicting in priority
my single core 2 years old snapdargon 2 Desire HD runs Sense @ a brisk locked 60fps thanks to supercharger
there is also the matter of ultra smooth rosie (flattening the Sense launcher 3D widgets) but i don't think the GPU on Tegra3 will need this
so yes most likely supercharger, sorry to break it to you but apparently we still need to root with an HTC device

How come so poorly in these benchmarks?

I wonder why the G3 doesn't score better in comparison in these tests? Even the G2 did better in some.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...ess-outperform-competing-phones-in-benchmarks

Because of screen resolution.

Not entirely, its more about optimisation. iOS devices have always done well in Sunspider because OS and browser optimisation is by far the most important factor. The fact is the differences you see here are probably not even noticeable to the user anyway.
Also remember that the article was on Apple insider, the benchmarks are cherry picked to make the iPhone look good. Its also been reported that Safari is somewhat 'designed' to win at this benchmark.. if you get my meaning.
For what its worth my G3 did Sunspider in 726ms, not the 875 quoted in the article..

to be quite honest I was sad when I saw poor marks in an tu tu and geekbench, initially. but later I thought f*ck that. it gives me what I want- a gorgeous screen with smooth performance in heavy game like asphalt 8 and playing videos in 2k and 4k resolution with ac3 and dts sound with 21/22 hours battery on a single charge. so no worries about how much the synths performance goes in the south

slower RAM, throthling
G3 has slower RAM than G2. Looks like Lg sadly wanted to save some money.
And now G3 is crapping out in RAM extensive benchmarks!
I hear also G3 can overheat and throthle in benchmarks thus worse scores than G2.
Maybe some devels can bump up clocks on RAM, but I don't know about the heat. In my opinion G3 realy needs all aluminum case at those speeds to dispatch heat better. The heat is becoming a BIG PROBLEM in so fast smartphones.

xgman said:
I wonder why the G3 doesn't score better in comparison in these tests? Even the G2 did better in some.
http://appleinsider.com/articles/14...ess-outperform-competing-phones-in-benchmarks
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Display causing it. Adreno 330 is not a powerful GPU for QHD displays. Yes there was some overheat problems but it solved, at least its %90 of overheating problem solved. RAM management is not a problem. RAM is good and works really nice it doesn't makes any lag or freezing crashing etc. Got 41K on benchmark at most. When i first benchmarked it was 31K and it was biggest disappointment of the year.

Its NOT the display resolution!!!! This has been covered over and over. The G3 under performs even in pure CPU benchmarks that dont even involve the display, its because of excessive thermal control. Tweak the CPU governor, disable as much of the thermal control as possible and it becomes much quicker.
For example my G3 out benches the N5 and G2 in Basemark X GPU tests if I force it to scale up. This murders battery life because the only way we have to force the issue is to force it. We need a custom kernel so we can set better CPU limits and get rid of LGs junk thermal control.

This is how my F460 (Prime) did with Sunspider. Higher end SOC & Adreno.

Once we get custom kernels and roms (if we ever), the scores, and even battery life will improve. LG G3 stock rom is so heavy compared to pure AOSP or even CM. We need some AOSP love. This device will fly...

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Once we get custom kernels and roms (if we ever), the scores, and even battery life will improve. LG G3 stock rom is so heavy compared to pure AOSP or even CM. We need some AOSP love. This device will fly...
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To be fair, the numbers you're getting on the G3 720p 3dmark test mentioned in the report are higher than that of the ipad air or the ipad retina according to 3dmark's own records.
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Display causing it. Adreno 330 is not a powerful GPU for QHD displays. Yes there was some overheat problems but it solved, at least its %90 of overheating problem solved. RAM management is not a problem. RAM is good and works really nice it doesn't makes any lag or freezing crashing etc. Got 41K on benchmark at most. When i first benchmarked it was 31K and it was biggest disappointment of the year.
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So your devices are outperforming Apple's best tablets despite them not being optimized for benchmarks due to throttling (thermal).

Cxpher said:
To be fair, the numbers you're getting on the G3 720p 3dmark test mentioned in the report are higher than that of the ipad air or the ipad retina according to 3dmark's own records.
So your devices are outperforming Apple's best tablets despite them not being optimized for benchmarks due to throttling (thermal).
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Yes. Thermal protecting is nice addition. But when device overheats it makes barely unusable. Cannot make calls due to heat on the top. And i think same Adreno 330 will perform really good performance on up to 1080P devices. But 1440 is overwhelming for it. They should wait and put Adreno 420+S805 APQ8084 which clocks 2.7 GHz (2675 actual). Maybe 420 will perform better on QHD displays.
I also had some issues with LG back in time. But honestly i didn't had any problem with phone except overheating. UI is ultra-smooth comparing to TouchWiz. As a 6 year user of Samsung Android phones it made me feel better. I had some worries before buying to phone due to old fails from LG. But my choice was giving it a try. Now i see how much i did good with buying it. Best phone ever for me. If the overheating stuff is going to solve one day i'd be love my phone more.

bdogan1912 said:
Yes. Thermal protecting is nice addition. But when device overheats it makes barely unusable. Cannot make calls due to heat on the top. And i think same Adreno 330 will perform really good performance on up to 1080P devices. But 1440 is overwhelming for it. They should wait and put Adreno 420+S805 APQ8084 which clocks 2.7 GHz (2675 actual). Maybe 420 will perform better on QHD displays.
I also had some issues with LG back in time. But honestly i didn't had any problem with phone except overheating. UI is ultra-smooth comparing to TouchWiz. As a 6 year user of Samsung Android phones it made me feel better. I had some worries before buying to phone due to old fails from LG. But my choice was giving it a try. Now i see how much i did good with buying it. Best phone ever for me. If the overheating stuff is going to solve one day i'd be love my phone more.
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I'm using the LG G3 F460S (Cat 6 or 'Prime' as it's known to some) which has the Snap 805 and Adreno 420. No overheating issues here.

Cxpher said:
I'm using the F460S which has the Snap 805 and Adreno 420.
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Other than LTE CAT 6 version, all of G3 versions have S801+A420. If i'm not wrong its same on T-Mobile, AT&T and International model (D855). I think yours is CAT 6 version whichone released after some months. In performance may a bit better with S805 but in GPU i cannot say such a verified info. Just thought maybe A420 can handle QHD screen. If even it cannot handle, that means devices aren't ready for QHD screens. It's like for example trying to make Watch Dogs work with GT740M. Full of freezing, overheating on card and even burning it. It's another reason for waiting AOSP based ROM. Honestly i want to taste Android L with its pure edition like on Nexus 5. But LG's original ROM's doesn't has that much bloatware and it made me happy and that's why i can wait for it. But sadly no one seems to successful on unlocking bootloader. In my prev. phone SGN3 i had to delete at least 100 apps whichones are useless. In LG i just deleted 3 apps from operators and providers.

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Other than LTE CAT 6 version, all of G3 versions have S801+A420. If i'm not wrong its same on T-Mobile, AT&T and International model (D855). I think yours is CAT 6 version whichone released after some months. In performance may a bit better with S805 but in GPU i cannot say such a verified info. Just thought maybe A420 can handle QHD screen. If even it cannot handle, that means devices aren't ready for QHD screens. It's like for example trying to make Watch Dogs work with GT740M. Full of freezing, overheating on card and even burning it. It's another reason for waiting AOSP based ROM. Honestly i want to taste Android L with its pure edition like on Nexus 5. But LG's original ROM's doesn't has that much bloatware and it made me happy and that's why i can wait for it. But sadly no one seems to successful on unlocking bootloader. In my prev. phone SGN3 i had to delete at least 100 apps whichones are useless. In LG i just deleted 3 apps from operators and providers.
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All versions pack the S801 with Adreno 330 (not 420).
Only the version I'm using has the S805 with Adreno 420.

Cxpher said:
All versions pack the S801 with Adreno 330 (not 420).
Only the version I'm using has the S805 with Adreno 420.
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Oh lol sorry yes A330. Had mini confusion. S801+A330. The Korean version has CAT 6 and S805+A420. However phone is excellent without single doubt. Hope we can unlock the bootloader and can enjoy more with our phones.

bdogan1912 said:
Oh lol sorry yes A330. Had mini confusion. S801+A330. The Korean version has CAT 6 and S805+A420. However phone is excellent without single doubt. Hope we can unlock the bootloader and can enjoy more with our phones.
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Hope so too but it's looking to be unlikely.
This is the first phone I haven't rooted and flashed with a custom rom/kernel and I've owned many (listed below).
HTC Dream
Nexus 1
Galaxy S2
HTC One X
Xperia Z1
HTC Butterfly S
Nexus 5
That's because the stock rom is decent. Of course rooting is always on the cards because I can flash mods or even test mods that I make via CWM/TWRP and make nandroid backups.
Android L will make this device better!
ART runtime with 60 FPS UI and Project Volta can only make this far better. Regardless of whether it's a D855/F400 or F460S.
Problem with LG is timely updates. Imo, the least they could do is to let is unlock the bootloader to compensate.

Cxpher said:
Hope so too but it's looking to be unlikely.
This is the first phone I haven't rooted and flashed with a custom rom/kernel and I've owned many (listed below).
HTC Dream
Nexus 1
Galaxy S2
HTC One X
Xperia Z1
HTC Butterfly S
Nexus 5
That's because the stock rom is decent. Of course rooting is always on the cards because I can flash mods or even test mods that I make via CWM/TWRP and make nandroid backups.
Android L will make this device better!
ART runtime with 60 FPS UI and Project Volta can only make this far better. Regardless of whether it's a D855/F400 or F460S.
Problem with LG is timely updates. Imo, the least they could do is to let is unlock the bootloader to compensate.
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Android L is one of exciting stuff that i want to see with ART runtime. Same problem on Samsung. In Turkey samsung devices never get any attention and softwares mostly buggy. I reported one of bugs and they banned me on their facebook page for reporting a critical system bug. Samsung is really loving its customers. Hope LG is not going to ungenerous on updates and send our updates on time. Honestly i have no hopes that we can see Android L before late 2015.

How is the performance?

I have read reviews on many sites and they all say that the performance, screen, sound are terrible. I would like to hear from actual owners what they think. Thank You in advance.

Hey man, I just bought an HTC Desire last week. For 130$ it's a great phone. Performance is okay and I'd say it's good at the price point. Doing everyday tasks like email and web browser are smooth. Coming from previously using flagship devices like the Nexus line I can tell the difference. A flagship device with a higher tier chipset is a noticeable difference in how smooth and snappy it is in basic tasks. Demanding games like Jurassic world are a little lagging running at about 25fps I'd say. Less demanding games are fine.
The screen is good, it's colors are nice and it gets bright enough. The viewing angle is a tad low. The speakers are great! they are front firing not downwards and that makes a big difference.
GSM arena claims this phone supports 5Ghz WiFi but that's not true. It is 2Ghz only.
I'm looking into the possibility of rooting and overclocking this, anyone know about OC'ing a Snapdragon 210 chipset?

This phone is horrible. It's like 2 seconds behind on every tap. Its probably one of the worst phones I have ever used. I got one until my pixel xl comes in .

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This phone is horrible. It's like 2 seconds behind on every tap. Its probably one of the worst phones I have ever used. I got one until my pixel xl comes in .
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I agree. My Dad ended up buying one. Good hardware, bad software. It's now his backup phone.

parmend said:
This phone is horrible. It's like 2 seconds behind on every tap. Its probably one of the worst phones I have ever used. I got one until my pixel xl comes in .
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Ha true that but if you root and install xposed it s bearable
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The CPU and lack of RAM are the real setbacks on the Desire 530. I had the HTC One A9 before switching to this device and I can tell the difference.
As mentioned by other users you can Root, Install Xposed and freeze/Uninstall resource hungry System Apps in order to gain some much needed power. I would recommend starting with another Launcher(I use Nova) and then Freeze/Uninstall unused System Apps/Bloatware.
*If anybody has rooted and uninstalled System Apps like myself please PM me the App Names so I can compile a "Safe To Remove" list.*

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The CPU and lack of RAM are the real setbacks on the Desire 530. I had the HTC One A9 before switching to this device and I can tell the difference.
As mentioned by other users you can Root, Install Xposed and freeze/Uninstall resource hungry System Apps in order to gain some much needed power. I would recommend starting with another Launcher(I use Nova) and then Freeze/Uninstall unused System Apps/Bloatware.
*If anybody has rooted and uninstalled System Apps like myself please PM me the App Names so I can compile a "Safe To Remove" list.*
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Yes I noticed that to im coming from my LG g3 with 3gb ram ha this is my sons phone just waiting on replacement screen to come [emoji12]
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