Hi guys, bit of a strange problem here - using any emulator (any of robert brogalias, as well as supergnes or animaonline), I'm getting sound and framerate stuttering at consistent intervals. It seems like something is hitting the cpu when this happens, but I don't know what might be doing it - I have "betterbatterystats" and it shows that "audioOut_2" is causing 12.8 percent of partial wakelocks, don't know if this could be related.
Power saving features are all off, to my knowledge.
I've only installed very few apps, like PowerAmp, CPU Spy, titanium backup and a couple others. Rebooting the phone makes no difference, removing the SD card after copying roms to the internal memory made no difference, stopping the media scan service did nothing, I even flashed roms to Clean Rom 3.5 and it didn't change. I wiped dalvik and the other cache beforehand.
Any ideas? My tegra 2 tablet can run these emulators flawlessly at 60 fps all day!
f3tf said:
Hi guys, bit of a strange problem here - using any emulator (any of robert brogalias, as well as supergnes or animaonline), I'm getting sound and framerate stuttering at consistent intervals. It seems like something is hitting the cpu when this happens, but I don't know what might be doing it - I have "betterbatterystats" and it shows that "audioOut_2" is causing 12.8 percent of partial wakelocks, don't know if this could be related.
Power saving features are all off, to my knowledge.
I've only installed very few apps, like PowerAmp, CPU Spy, titanium backup and a couple others. Rebooting the phone makes no difference, removing the SD card after copying roms to the internal memory made no difference, stopping the media scan service did nothing, I even flashed roms to Clean Rom 3.5 and it didn't change. I wiped dalvik and the other cache beforehand.
Any ideas? My tegra 2 tablet can run these emulators flawlessly at 60 fps all day!
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You didn't make any under clock profiles did you? And is there a setting to change emulator settings back to default? Perhaps you changed something that made it go whack.
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no problem here with fpse
i love to play Crash Bandicoot :laugh:
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You didn't make any under clock profiles did you? And is there a setting to change emulator settings back to default? Perhaps you changed something that made it go whack.
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Haven't changed any clocks, nope. Emulator settings are default - changing frameskip to 0 makes the sound lag even worse, and allowing frameskip creates big jumps every 3/4 of a second or so. Happens regardless of the emulator used.
Forcing CPU to 1600mhz constant also has no effect.
Governor default or performance? Can't think of much else besides power saving mode but it should run fine on that too.
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Doesn't seem to matter on performance or default. I'm still running the stock kernel, think I should overclock? I really shouldn't need to though when a stock tegra 2 can handle it with 0 frameskip, sound quality on max... even NES is stuttering.
I did a complete restore, no change.
f3tf said:
Doesn't seem to matter on performance or default. I'm still running the stock kernel, think I should overclock? I really shouldn't need to though when a stock tegra 2 can handle it with 0 frameskip, sound quality on max... even NES is stuttering.
I did a complete restore, no change.
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No need to over clock. The emulators have run fine on my older hardware under clocked just fine. The only thing it could be is a setting jacked up inside the emulator. Nintendo and super Nintendo run easily on ARM chip sets. Fpse and n64 would give it a run for it's money though. You sure you don't have something in the background hogging up horsepower?
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No problem with epsxe here smooth as butter stock 4.1.2. It's most likely the rom you're using.
Stock or Clean Rom has the same issue.
epsxe is a different story, I can run that just fine. My benchmarks are pretty standard for quadrant, I'm really out of ideas - maybe the refresh rate of the phone is slightly higher or lower than the emulator is trying to run at, causing either frame skipping or sound jumps? Any other users with an eye for framerate here noticed minor frame jumping in, say, sonic 1, 2, or 3 on MD.emu? I bet it's there, but then if you turn frameskip to 0 (like I would on my tf101) the sound goes to hell instead.
I'm using Snes9x EX and AndroGens (as well as Fpse) and don't have any of the problems you describe. Maybe you should give those a shot, and if you get the problem with those too, you might have a hardware issue?
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Snes9x EX gives me the issue as well. Play mario world and run as fast as you can on level ground left and right a few times, see if the image has some slight jumps in it. Lots of people wouldn't even notice this.
Otherwise, turn frameskipping to 0. Does the sound start having issues? If it does, you have the same problem as me.
Reading around, I've found that the Note 2 apparently runs at a 58 hz refresh rate, where most everything else (including the emus) expect 60, causing the video or audio to have issues (you can have one or the other, but not both). I'm running the stock kernel, if you're running perseus it might be ok... which kernel are you running?
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Snes9x EX gives me the issue as well. Play mario world and run as fast as you can on level ground left and right a few times, see if the image has some slight jumps in it. Lots of people wouldn't even notice this.
Otherwise, turn frameskipping to 0. Does the sound start having issues? If it does, you have the same problem as me.
Reading around, I've found that the Note 2 apparently runs at a 58 hz refresh rate, where most everything else (including the emus) expect 60, causing the video or audio to have issues (you can have one or the other, but not both). I'm running the stock kernel, if you're running perseus it might be ok... which kernel are you running?
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Oh, youre right, it does this for me too. It's really barely noticeable though, I hadn't noticed before now. I'm also on the stock kernel.
What did you mean by sound issues? Turning frameskip off maybe makes the sound a tiny biy faster at some points than it should be, but that too is barely noticeable and could just be my imagination.
But you're right, theres definitely an issue there, and I do wonder if you're right about the refresh rate.
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Yeah I tried the perseus kernel, no change, sadly.
For sound issues, I get skips and stutters every couple of seconds in MD.emu, NES.emu, snes9x ex, SuperGNES, Animaonline SNES, and presumably all the others which require a tight synchronization of audio and video. Doesn't seem to be overly noticeable on epsxe, but then I haven't played any games which run at a tight 60 FPS on that one, either. Official games have no problems.
Running 1800 mhz makes no difference, either.
I've emailed Robert Broglia about the issue, I'll update if he replies - anyone else, let me know if you find a fix!
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Hi, thanks for the heads up on the Galaxy Note 2, not sure why all these manufacturers are using screens with such odd refresh rates. For example, the Kindle Fire is 53Hz and the Xperia Play is 62Hz. Luckily the Nexus 7 I just picked up has a perfect 60Hz refresh rate so 0 frameskip works well on it.
In the next update I'm switching over to a more precise method for getting the device's clock so I wonder if it might help space the frames out a bit more evenly on your device. The best solution will probably be to use frameskip 0 but adjust the input audio frequency to speed-up/slow-down the audio to match the refresh rate, so I'll look into adding this for a future update.
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Hi, thanks for the heads up on the Galaxy Note 2, not sure why all these manufacturers are using screens with such odd refresh rates. For example, the Kindle Fire is 53Hz and the Xperia Play is 62Hz. Luckily the Nexus 7 I just picked up has a perfect 60Hz refresh rate so 0 frameskip works well on it.
In the next update I'm switching over to a more precise method for getting the device's clock so I wonder if it might help space the frames out a bit more evenly on your device. The best solution will probably be to use frameskip 0 but adjust the input audio frequency to speed-up/slow-down the audio to match the refresh rate, so I'll look into adding this for a future update.
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Interesting. I wonder if it's worth me emailing the devs of the emulators I use.
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That's very interesting that our quad-core 1,6Ghz with 2 GB ram struggles to emulate the SNES
CPU: Custom 65C816 at 3.58 MHz
RAM: 128 Kb
Max Colors on Screen: 256
Max Sprites: 128, 32 per scanline
Sound Channels: 8 ADPCM
Sound Memory: 64 Kb
That's a challenge
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That's very interesting that our quad-core 1,6Ghz with 2 GB ram struggles to emulate the SNES
CPU: Custom 65C816 at 3.58 MHz
RAM: 128 Kb
Max Colors on Screen: 256
Max Sprites: 128, 32 per scanline
Sound Channels: 8 ADPCM
Sound Memory: 64 Kb
That's a challenge
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It's actually not hardware power that we're lacking - we could probably emulate snes at fullspeed with 400 mhz on a single core if the emu was very well coded, and obviously we have tons more power than that. It's a function of how the emulator draws the screen and plays the sound - almost every device runs at 60hz, so every application expects the maximum speed to be 60 FPS, but the note 2 is actually 58 hz. This creates a (much larger than you'd expect) jump in the fluidity of the emulator when running with frameskip set to auto, and it creates an annoying audio jump/skip if frameskip is turned off.
In this situation, you can have perfect video or audio, but not both. One workaround is to slow down the audio to match the 58 frames instead of the 60.
If you use supergnes, you may as well email him because it happens in that emu too. Snex9x EX is way better than supergnes, though.
I can confirm the same thing is happening for my Galaxy Note II, although mine is the US Sprint CDMA/LTE variant. It also has a refresh rate of 58.002 Mhz and I use nearly all of Robert Broglia's emulators. On this device, it's either sound regularly skips with frameskip set to 0, or (nearly) perfect audio with stuttering video when frameskip is set to Auto.
This device is a beast, so this shouldn't be happening at all. :-/
Hi,
have a problem with my LG G4, in game Reckless Racing 3 it drops frames like crazy and also Popcorn time is not possible because of performance issue (getting video artifacts).
Also the ui seems slightly laggy.
Is it normal that Reckless Racing 3 lags on this phone, if someone with that game can confirm?
on my previous g3 that I sold the game played fine
Have performed hard reset with no improvements.
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Hi,
have a problem with my LG G4, in game Reckless Racing 3 it drops frames like crazy and also Popcorn time is not possible because of performance issue (getting video artifacts).
Also the ui seems slightly laggy.
Is it normal that Reckless Racing 3 lags on this phone, if someone with that game can confirm?
on my previous g3 that I sold the game played fine
Have performed hard reset with no improvements.
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I play CSR racing and it was the same as yours. It drops frames even before getting hot. LG went too cautious and injected too much throttling in the thermal files. I had to edit them and allow the phone to keep fast while hot. Im testing my changes and drained a full battery playing without crazy frame dropping.
The stuttering starts immediately, even noticeable in game menu.
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The stuttering starts immediately, even noticeable in game menu.
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Some things you can try is to enable GPU Rendering in Developers options
Also, disable "Game optimizer." Open 'Settings' Tap on the General Tab. Tap on the ‘Battery & Power Saving’ Option. Open Battery Saver Section. Disable the Game Optimizer.
I noticed that some games like Asphalt 8 do not use native resolution, but are in low res although video setting are set to highest.
I'm on a stock lollipop, not yet rooted and Knox 0.
Is it a common issue? How to enable native resolution?
Same here on Tab S 10.5
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same here since lollipop update, any solution? cheers.
galaxy tab s 10.5, sm-t805
I have also experienced this behavior in Asphalt 8 since I have updated to Lollipop in the beginning of December 2015. I am on IronROM 2.5 which is TW-based Lollipop 5.0.2 ROM.
Interestingly, in some rare cases I was able to play the game in high quality. I have noticed that at least in one case the battery was full when I started playing game. But most of the time the game has been in terrible quality and sometimes even in this low quality it is lagging. Having the battery full is not a guarantee that it can be played in high quality.
I have found out that when I use Link2SD, and I enable to use Android standard "fuse" filesystem for internal storage, instead of Samsung's standard "sdcardfs" filesystem, the lags are getting worse. So by restoring the Samsung's sdcardfs filesystem the lags are not so bad.
But I was unable to force the game to go into the high-quality mode. I have even used integrated tool Hulk-Kernel STweaks to set CPU governor to "pegasusq" or "ondemand", and also set min and max CPU frequency to 1900 MHz and GPU min and max frequency to 733 MHz, but it had no impact on gaming performance in terms of graphic quality. Before starting the game I have also used task manager to free up memory (so I had some 1,8 GB of 2,71 GB used which means still some 900 MB free).
I guess it has something to do with Lollipop but I am unable to find out what is the problem.
Seems the last game update (2.3.0i) did the trick. Asphalt running on high res again. Brgds.
low res
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Seems the last game update (2.3.0i) did the trick. Asphalt running on high res again. Brgds.
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Not on mine... Here still in low resolution... Anyone have a trick?
The homescreen is quite noticeably not a smooth 60fps, it stutters and with the overlay enabled in developer settings, can see the framerate drops alot. Especially in freestyle layout mode. Also a lot of games stutter and don't run at a smooth framerate - for example monument valley. Does anyone else get this? Im on stock rom latest update
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The homescreen is quite noticeably not a smooth 60fps, it stutters and with the overlay enabled in developer settings, can see the framerate drops alot. Especially in freestyle layout mode. Also a lot of games stutter and don't run at a smooth framerate - for example monument valley. Does anyone else get this? Im on stock rom latest update
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This is completely dependent on your OS, applications, widgets on screen, running apps, cpu state and the speed you're using your device.. If its really congested and you're running a tonne of apps then you'll perhaps have some slow downs, if you're using a custom kernel and you've lowered the up cpu threshold then that will too have an impact, honestly I'd leave it on stock and minimise the amount of widgets (especially lives ones) you have on your desktops, anything with transparency will have an impact too.
Gaming wise, I have to say this phone is rock solid.
The only game that it couldn't run is dolphin which is a gamecube emulator, running zelda the windwaker.
But I think that's down to optimization rather that anything else.
What set up do you have? Custom rom? Stock? Kernel? Lots or not a lot of apps?
my runs smooth on games, emulators, home screens, videos, taking and recording pictures and video, everything. ive been very happy with its performance, completely stock and running custom roms on my Verizon Variant, viper is my favorite now after last few updates.
I'm also satisfied with my HTC 10 performance, runs smooth (everything stock), but I notice that some games are a bit laggy (like Realracing 3, even if I lower the resolution to FullHD in the Boost+ app).
I wonder if I would get better framerates with the CleanSlate kernel that has Adrenoboost feature, but I'm not to keen on rooting my device because then you can't install OTA updates anymore.
Im running on the stock rom straight from the box, no custom rom or everything
, every game I have tried so far runs awful, massive framerate drops with or without boost. I have compared my framerate in asphalt 8 to this video, with an fps counter, and I get much worse framerates, usually around low 20s, dropping to teens. I don't have powersaving enabled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nks2pE_U_PY
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Im running on the stock rom straight from the box, no custom rom or everything
, every game I have tried so far runs awful, massive framerate drops with or without boost. I have compared my framerate in asphalt 8 to this video, with an fps counter, and I get much worse framerates, usually around low 20s, dropping to teens. I don't have powersaving enabled
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Anything in HTC's ROM seems to cripple Adrenoboost of the GPU. While on other devices it works perfectly and is reaching up to 60 fps, it doesn't on the HTC 10. It doesn't bother me, as I'm not a heavy gamer, but if you're in need to change it, you could use a custom kernel, as e.g. CleanSlate by @tbalden.
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Anything in HTC's ROM seems to cripple Adrenoboost of the GPU. While on other devices it works perfectly and is reaching up to 60 fps, it doesn't on the HTC 10. It doesn't bother me, as I'm not a heavy gamer, but if you're in need to change it, you could use a custom kernel, as e.g. CleanSlate by @tbalden.
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I hope HTC fixes that with some OTA.
Anyway, would the High performance mode in the developer options help the framerate?
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I hope HTC fixes that with some OTA.
Anyway, would the High performance mode in the developer options help the framerate?
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As I'm on Viper10, Stock, pnp thermal tweak, or Viper 10 and CleanSlate Kernel. So I can't tell if it would work. The CleanSlate kernel fixes the problem quite well, so I'll use it until HTC maybe fixed the issue as long as I'm gaming and the other config I'll use as my daily driver.
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Can anyone that has no custom rom test the framerate on the first map of asphalt 8 and report back?
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my runs smooth on games, emulators, home screens, videos, taking and recording pictures and video, everything. ive been very happy with its performance, completely stock and running custom roms on my Verizon Variant, viper is my favorite now after last few updates.
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Try to running windwaker on dolphin. Would love to play thar
dladz said:
Try to running windwaker on dolphin. Would love to play thar
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I use mupenfs haven't tried it on 10 yet
andy010101 said:
The homescreen is quite noticeably not a smooth 60fps, it stutters and with the overlay enabled in developer settings, can see the framerate drops alot. Especially in freestyle layout mode. Also a lot of games stutter and don't run at a smooth framerate - for example monument valley. Does anyone else get this? Im on stock rom latest update
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Do u use sd card
If yes which class, coz i noticed that it can slow the device
I hope htc support team improve the performance and fix the lag issues by updates.
This is an awful bug .May htc solve this in the android 7 update .
Slow SD card like someone else said.
Try it without one.
Maybe your hardware is faulty in some way.
Also try to set all clocks to a constant maximum. So you see if you have the power or not.
Maybe a fake device?