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Really, superreally, i mean megabyte x 10^60 really, the mango event will be held on May 24th! Anyone excited to see?
The one thing i would love to see is to have facebook intergrated to be useful, like getting notifications if someone replied it back to my fb posts by using people's hub. Cause when i use fb for commenting & stuff, i have to manually search them to see if i ever got replies and even if someone replied it back, and i go to actual facbook.com, it won't give me notifications that the person replied me back. (that is when i used fb through people hub.)
What do you want to see in the next big update?
I want option to save camera setting.. way to freeze my phone from changing into landscape mode when i dont want it..
I just want multi tasking, and more APIs. I am sick and tired of havting to re-load apps just because my phone whent to sleep, or I checked an e-mail.
Turn by Turn Navigation, it's the only reason I haven't left Android yet. (And i mean Bing Maps TbTN, not some random third party app that gets removes from the marketplace)
Exchange sync'ed Tasks. I love the phone, but not having Tasks and the inability to dial directly from within a Task is a daily major pain for me.
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Exchange sync'ed Tasks. I love the phone, but not having Tasks and the inability to dial directly from within a Task is a daily major pain for me.
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Try Tasks Anywhere or My Tasks. They both let you dial and launch url's from within the app. No exchange sync yet though. And I believe there is a few or at least one that has the feature of exchange sync. But, they may not have the linking feature.
The mango messaging system seems nice and all, but I really wonder why they did not keep it seperated.
I had my doubts and than I read this article http://wmpoweruser.com/mango-and-messaging-we-have-a-problem/ which sums up some more issues.
Basically my biggest problem is that we send more important stuff trough SMS it has a much higher value than an IM. So whenever somebody smsses an adress, i will need to scroll trough 100s of IMs which I can not clear since the address is still there in one of those messages.
Second: the media are different, you can not expect the other user to switch to FB chat to MSN than to sms because I want to change service, this still incorporate 3 different media for the majority of the users namely a WL desktop client, facebook webpage and a phone for regular texting (which also costs money so people will use it differently)
Third, we used msn when we were 12, now nobody uses it in my country but I would like to use FB chat... This is not possible, you can only switch off FB chat or switch off both. So the whole feature will be useless if I dont want to use msn/windows live messenger.
Notifications: what if smsses are inportant but IMs not, hopefully I will be able to receive a toast ONLY with sms messages and just let the IMs slide. Imagine receiving 100 messages every 10 minutes it will drive you nuts. And here comes the next problem when there is an important sms inbetween you dont know who send it, because if you open up messages they all look the same so you dont know who texted you (important) or has send you and im (which has less priority).
I wish they can make a new tab for the im conversations or atleast filter the thread down on ALL / SMS / IM. As it is now, it will be nice for kids but if you are 16+ it will become a major pain to find what is important and what is just spam.
The system right now is shortsighted and of poor value. an implementation like blackberry's is better. SMS is a different system, mail is a different system, IM is as well, you all respond differently on each one of them. It should be possible to mannage each seperately. Now ill have to be always offline and rely on third party just to im trough FB which kills the use of this native feature, but SMS messages are just to important to blend with the IMs.
This is all speculation to be fair, they have beta testers so if there are issues with notifications they will probably be aware of these. I'm happy to use a separate messaging client and keep my messaging hub for sms only as long as WLM is allowed again in IM+ and others. That would just make things easy.
On a side note people should stop complaining that nobody uses WLM, enough with that, it's the most used IM client in the world!
I'm not 12 andstill this is my number one choice for IM as I barely use my facebook account and it has integrated facebook chat anyway.
fair (and while I wrote the article)
one major issue with being in a beta of anything is that it takes time for testing and that's huge. I mean looking at Adam Lein and others, the sms interface was a bit bare and naked - save from the actual threaded view.
In nodo, we have seen the issue of some lag in the SMS window (not nearly as bad as windows mobile, but still very noticeable) and there needs to be some richer options for recall, optimization and trash collection.
I love the idea for having a central messaging hub that integrates the services I use most (microsoft specifically). I still use MSN and it's my favorite messaging tool (I used yahoo early in college, and AIM in high school) so I use MSN a lot.
The notification I don't feel is a huge issue (as Eldar contends). There are far more bigger problems with the SMS view from a variety of different contexts. All in all, there may be a big problem. I doubt it will be solved till Apollo but that is definitely a worse case scenario.
I mean yes, the sms lag is better in nodo, but not by much
One thing to note, if you dont want to use WLM or Facebook chat just change the method of communication to SMS. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to send IM's if YOU dont want to, its only there as a convenience to WP7 users so you can continue your conversation across the different mediums seamlessly. Just because someone is online on Facebook chat or WLM doesnt mean you cant just send an SMS if that is your preference.
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One thing to note, if you dont want to use WLM or Facebook chat just change the method of communication to SMS. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to send IM's if YOU dont want to, its only there as a convenience to WP7 users so you can continue your conversation across the different mediums seamlessly. Just because someone is online on Facebook chat or WLM doesnt mean you cant just send an SMS if that is your preference.
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I know. Thats not the problem. But it will render the built in IM useless if disabled.
The problem is the communication trough SMS is totally different than the communication trough IM. Which will occur on different devices still for the majority out there. An SMS to me is still a high priority thing in some cases, if you want to make an appointment it works fine trough sms, however if its cluttered with all IM's from other users and stuff Im afraid one can easily get lost in the received messages and not find the IM of the appointment when looking for it or trying to find it again after you have read it.
Having IMs seperated (which are in general sended way more frequently with less important stuff than SMS) would be better because now the user can decide to use the built in IM and keep it seperated from the SMS OR mix them in a thread if he/she desires. But one will still have the advantage of starting an IM out of the people hub.
Also I know you dont have to use it, I've seen all the demo's and read about it. But the thing is what if I want to use it but just Facebook and what if I still want to see my SMS messages seperated. Using just FB chat is not possible atm, it will also pull up your WLM contacts, it would be totally cool if I could set MSN status as offline and FB status as online, but as it looks right now its only possible the other way around...
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Picture this: you have the device in your pocket, its fine if people want to contact me trough Facebook, but if somebody sends me an SMS with the appointmet and half an hour later starts talking to me on FB chat (because he/she is on FB than), I check my phone and the SMS with the appointment has sunk all the way down since there have been 10 new IM's from this person.
Its easy to lose/forget the valuable information if you can not check your phone every minute.
Dont get me wrong, its a feature with great potential but as of now, it will need more control over the different services (individual statusses per service) and some way to filter out the SMS messages and hide the IM or vica versa.
This feature will benefit a lot more when it would also be possible for whatapp to be integrated, which resembles the SMS a lot better than IM.
Maybe Microsoft could add a filter option? For example, when the SMS filter is toggled it would only show text messages as well send only text messages .
@Marvin_S: You could come across the same situation if you get a lot of SMS's as well, same as with email. I see your point but making them separate just makes it messier, having to switch back and forth to send messages and having to determine where a new message is. If you start adding separate notifications for each protocol then it becomes even more complex to implement and manage.
Much easier to have all the messages on one screen and you can easily just scroll to find what you want and not have to try and figure out by which method the message was delivered.
SMS isn't just for important conversations. There is a reason why people run through thousands of SMS in a month nowadays, and its not because they are really important. Its because people use SMS the same way they use IM, to chat.
If you are getting something really important in an SMS (like an appointment), it might make sense to copy it over into a task or your calendar.
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Why would it make anything messier? It should be optional ofcourse, so it will only help those who will need to keep it organised.
Well SMS and IM are very different. That some of us use it the same way is a choice of course, just like some people chose to use it as different media to communicate.
You can NOT receive IM's if you dont want to receive it (OFFLINE) and the other party will not be able to send you one, while with SMS it will be sent whenever somebody desires and will be read whenever the reader has the time (always delivered --> higher priority/value).
This for me is a fundamental difference and makes SMS more reliable for appointments or letting somebody know where you are on the go.
And I just wondered why MS chose to do it this way, while all the other platforms have these forms of communication seperated.
I can see this having a good and a bad side, maybe I worry too much about the negative aspect, but it can be solved easily by providing us with some more settings to have more control over how we want to receive our IM's and Texts.
Like sheltem said a switch or a pivot with All/IM/Text will make it simple for the user to narrow its search down. And maybe defaulting it to All (like email, All/unread/flag) and having the same interface to delete IM's and texts will be great.
I have faith MS will come up with a solution which will satisfy both parties and I have full faith that they will...
thank god I didn't have to reiterate my position ad nauseum
I've been doing that since the article has been written and while I don't mind spirited debate of how windows phone is versus how it could be, it's like many users sorta either focused on Eldar's contentions, the notification, or the sms window and not the total sums of each argument.
As I said before, for us, geeks, there may not be much of an issue. But consider who/what microsoft is trying to target - everyone else. Place yourself in their shoes, and of course it can lead to some frustration and some easy mistakes from users thinking hey I sent it this way when in fact it came in another way - EVEN WITH THE TEXT/FACEBOOK option open.
I don't think there is anything wrong with an extra swipe gesture to switch mode of communication. It is almost the same thing microsoft is doing, but instead of it being in the menu setting, it is in the face of the user. And sometimes, that makes all of the difference.
I'm not knocking the idea or the service, but asking everyone to consider how people without windows phone may view it. And that empathy is important for Microsoft to make it a success. So it's not a knock at Microsoft or their intentions.
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thank god I didn't have to reiterate my position ad nauseum
I've been doing that since the article has been written and while I don't mind spirited debate of how windows phone is versus how it could be, it's like many users sorta either focused on Eldar's contentions, the notification, or the sms window and not the total sums of each argument.
As I said before, for us, geeks, there may not be much of an issue. But consider who/what microsoft is trying to target - everyone else. Place yourself in their shoes, and of course it can lead to some frustration and some easy mistakes from users thinking hey I sent it this way when in fact it came in another way - EVEN WITH THE TEXT/FACEBOOK option open.
I don't think there is anything wrong with an extra swipe gesture to switch mode of communication. It is almost the same thing microsoft is doing, but instead of it being in the menu setting, it is in the face of the user. And sometimes, that makes all of the difference.
I'm not knocking the idea or the service, but asking everyone to consider how people without windows phone may view it. And that empathy is important for Microsoft to make it a success. So it's not a knock at Microsoft or their intentions.
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Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
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Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
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I know personally even though it says the service in a tiny font, I'll cry foul because of user error. Microsoft's main goal is to sorta cease some consensual user error not increase it. There are a variety of ideas to kick around
One comment noted a notification system in the messaging hub that indicates where the user messaged you at (like the notifications portion of the people hub) in conjunction with the swipe/pivot gestures to make a fairly good solution of which service the notification is coming from and keeping it organized.
Adding to that paradigm, I can still see how the initial chat window serves a function, as a unified way the person contacted you recently. And I have to be honest, that would be really a great and refined method of implementing a submessaging system full of notification and a clean user experience.
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does a swipe really complicate the user more than a tap setting>mode>switch service to (sms/facebook/msn)
I'm sorry, I don't see how a pivot is less complex than the system that is in mango already. replacing the finger taps for one or two pivots...
imho should've posted this write up on xda
Well the thing is MS has its vision of having everything related into a horzontal scrolling panorama. Which is absolutely great.
And they want you to use the settings menu as less as possible, so in this case yeah this switch setting (which I will be using frequently) will be more annoying since its click select close than type. While the pivot swiping to the right will get you into sms directly and the user will always stay in the same "level" or layer.
And it follows the consistency of the system this way.
You will have all the options with 1 just one pivot menu:
All (which is the way it works right now) / SMS / IM / Online
if you are on all, its the threaded view with default reply option as it is now. When swipe to the right it filters the messages down to sms only with reply as SMS.
Im the same but than reply as IM.
actally that too is a good point
Microsoft has made a unified design experience focusing on pivots and wipes with metro. The idea of tapping through settings is sadly reminescent of apple and android; somethign I don't really want to go back to anytime soon
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Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
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I agree that there is the potential for a problem here. Ideally, the facebook connection would be detected as idle and the OS would choose the fallback method of SMS. I haven't used it so I can't say for sure how it handles this, I'd hope it is that good. Of course, that still leaves us with the potential for problems in the window that it takes for the user to go from online to idle/away. Not nearly as big of an issue though.
It all comes down to how accurately the software can determine a user's presence. If the OS automatically sends a message via Facebook because it knows the user is actively using Facebook then I don't think there is an issue.
Personally I think ms should just separate the all and using the metro theme, sperste elm, fb chat and SMS. So you just slide. I don't use wlm, and hardly use hotmail there spam filter is awful.
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Actually, hotmaii filters out spam just fine for me. Quite well, actually.
On topic. I think we should wait and see how this works in its entirety. I don't think it's going to be as big of an issue as you guys think it may be.
And, separating the services defeats the purpose of the threaded convo view in the first place.
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SMS isn't just for important conversations. There is a reason why people run through thousands of SMS in a month nowadays, and its not because they are really important. Its because people use SMS the same way they use IM, to chat.
If you are getting something really important in an SMS (like an appointment), it might make sense to copy it over into a task or your calendar.
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This.
Seriously. If you got something important to note you probably should learn to write it down or train your working memory to recall the info instead of relying so much on technology.
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Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
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Hmm, interesting my reasonable response and the response of others would be to hit the line of communication the person would check the most which arguably is a person's self phone.
Too each his own for sure, but I don't think it's out of the norm or rather is the norm that people would message someone on their phone first, especially if going somewhere to meet someone.
long time android user, just switched to a focus s on wednesday.
so far, i have been really liking the wp experience. here's a few issues i have had so far though.
when playing audio through headphone (to my car stereo), there are clicks in the audio between songs. as if it's changing audio device back and forth.
no start page in IE? whenever i open it, it just starts from the last page i was at. don't really like that since if my kids pick it up and go to IE, i could have been viewing something they should have been (lol no goat porn)
contacts can only have 2 emails? i personally have 5 different email accounts for different side businesses that i have. i set up myself as a contact so i can easily send it to others as a business card and it would have all of my contact info on it. i'm really limited with only being able to have 2 emails. i can add them all to my profile on live.com, but, i can't add my addresses there. am i missing something here?
other than these, the change over has been a great experience. the google sync and smart merging easily pulled all my contacts and organized them. the stability has been great as well and i keep telling myself to stop looking at battery percentage every hour (lol bad habits die hard).
the focus s is the most beautiful piece of hardware i have ever owned as well. and really compliments wp7. i'm really looking forward to more wp updates as the os grows out of infancy. can't wait to see what this will be like once it's fully polished.
oh and another i miss... xbmc remote. i have tried a few from the market place. 1 doesn't work at all. and the ones that work, have a horrible interface. the ones that look good, don't work right.
i wish the remotes on the ones that worked, looked more like the regular xbmc app, rather than trying to match metro with making buttons look like text in square boxes.
Not sure what you mean about the two email thing I have some contacts with 3
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Not sure what you mean about the two email thing I have some contacts with 3
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yeah, 3... lol, i need more than 3. you get personal, work and other.
The sound issue when using the headphone jack applies to any powered speakers. In other words, car audio connections, desktop speaker connections, etc. This issue forced me to return the Focus S and replace it with the HTC Titan. I couldn't be more happy and the Titan does not exhibit this sound issue.
Battery life is awesome
the focus s is a beautiful phone..
I can't wait until TELUS finally gets some new wp7 phones.
Hopefully before my upgrade so i don't have to go back to android
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no start page in IE? whenever i open it, it just starts from the last page i was at. don't really like that since if my kids pick it up and go to IE, i could have been viewing something they should have been (lol no goat porn)
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You could pin 'google.com' to your start screen and unpin IE. That way, your kids will see google.com
(IE would still be accessible in the full list of programs. However, it's easy to click the tile so your kids would probably just do that. Also, possible they could see previously open tabs using the tabs menu).
Hi if you wish to share your contact info with others download this app "my contact tile: and set it up. You'll get a live tile with QR code that someone else can scan then they will be able to add you to their contact list easily.
http://www.windowsphone.com/en-US/apps/f5ee77cc-d7cb-4c37-ba90-0efd11cd36da
im not sure if you can add multiple emails though but give it a try
Sorry everyone, gotta rant.
Bing.
Oh Bing, you useless, useless application. No Zehr's in my city? No Service Canada locations?
I don't care that "it only works in US and UK", if your product doesn't work in a certain country, then WHY is it sold there?
It'd be like a blu-ray player that doesn't play DVD's.
No rotation-lock.
This in itself isn't that bad, sometimes the display turns sideways, what IS bad, is trying to get it the way you were using it again. Shaking the phone, twisting it, being patient, nothing works. Once it rotates the way you weren't using it, gooooood luck, cause that thing ain't ever rotating back.
I feel like smashing my phone into a million pieces every time I see if flipping over.
Yes both things that need addressing, and I am expecting Bing to have massive upgrades in Apollo. The rotation lock is a no brainer, and should be there. Hopefully also in Apollo.
I have no issues with rotation on my HD7 whatsoever, when I rotate it rotates without hesitation. It might be a problem with your phone and not the OS itself, and Zehr? Wow that's old school,ain't seen one of those around my area in quite sometime.
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Sorry everyone, gotta rant.
Bing.
Oh Bing, you useless, useless application. No Zehr's in my city? No Service Canada locations?
I don't care that "it only works in US and UK", if your product doesn't work in a certain country, then WHY is it sold there?
It'd be like a blu-ray player that doesn't play DVD's.
No rotation-lock.
This in itself isn't that bad, sometimes the display turns sideways, what IS bad, is trying to get it the way you were using it again. Shaking the phone, twisting it, being patient, nothing works. Once it rotates the way you weren't using it, gooooood luck, cause that thing ain't ever rotating back.
I feel like smashing my phone into a million pieces every time I see if flipping over.
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1st calm down and do a little googling.
Answer for A
http://www.wpcentral.com/activate-scout-bing-vision-mango-canada-others-how-to
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What app are you having rotation issues in? rotation always worked in all apps for me with NO issues.
What O/S version? Nodo? Mango? above?
You can also install orientation lock (assuming you can side load and are IU);
http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/orientation_lock_v3-04-16-12
Not built in but at least an option
Bing works only in certain countries, its like Zune though.
The rotation is good, never had problems with it.
it's funny, just yesterday I was telling a coworker how well the rotate works on my arrive compared to my old tp2 wm 6.5. No issues here.
Bing is great too..... AMERICANS FTW! j/k!
I wish Bing rewards was integrated into the phone, just another selling point Microsoft.... That way when the real deal Skype App/integration comes we can search Bing to earn Skype minutes , simply with our phones..
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You can also install orientation lock (assuming you can side load and are IU);
http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/orientation_lock_v3-04-16-12
Not built in but at least an option
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Lucky for many of us, it seems that IU (interop unlock) isn't necessary for the latest release. YAY!
http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/orientation_lock_release-02-06-12
Oh gods double on the rotation. It's usually completely fine. And keeps how it's meant to be.
But once in a while (usually in IE) it rotates and then takes ages to realise I want it back.
I think it's frustating Facebook messages. It should receive inboxes. I hate need to go to Facebook app to read inbox messages. That sucks so bad..
Never had a problem with quick rotating back on any of my 9 Windows Phones(1 Lumia 900, 3 Radars, 2 Hd7s, 2 HD2's), not on a single one.
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I think it's frustating Facebook messages. It should receive inboxes. I hate need to go to Facebook app to read inbox messages. That sucks so bad..
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Are you signed into FB chat via the messaging hub or the Me tile? You should receive most FB messages the same as SMS.
anseio said:
Are you signed into FB chat via the messaging hub or the Me tile? You should receive most FB messages the same as SMS.
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I receive when I'm online, yes. But those messages are Facebook chat. Facebook have unified inbox and chat messages, but still, when i'm not online and someone send me a message, I just receive it through the app.
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I receive when I'm online, yes. But those messages are Facebook chat. Facebook have unified inbox and chat messages, but still, when i'm not online and someone send me a message, I just receive it through the app.
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It would be nice if it all were treated the same. I do think it's an FB issue though. I've got friends whose messages come to my phone, and others' who don't. What I've noticed is that Damon is signed into chat, but Jacob is not. Jacob's messages always appear in the app/online but never in my messaging hub. :|
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I think it's frustating Facebook messages. It should receive inboxes. I hate need to go to Facebook app to read inbox messages. That sucks so bad..
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Sometimes when people send me a Facebook message I get it in the messaging hub.
Posting this in general, as I'm not asking a question. I'm stating my findings. Though, feel free to chime in with your experiences.
I'm quite frustrated with mail on my One X. It drives me so insane, I want to go back to my Gnex or iPhone because mail works flawlessly on those. I have read others claiming they don't have this issue, but that's bull. I have had the AT&T version and now the International version and this problem is very real.
I have two accounts set up as Exchange accounts: One is my work e-mail, the other is Gmail. I also have Gmail set up through the native app.
Mail will work fine for a while, then just stops coming in. Today, it was my work e-mail account. I went into Accounts and Sync and there was a "!" on Calendar. It seems like when it can't sync one component of the account, nothing else comes in. I could be wrong. Most certainly, mail stops coming into the Mail app from time-to-time. It's like it just goes to sleep.
It will then inexplicably start working for a while, then stop again. It drives me batty. The moral of the story is, I can't rely on my phone for e-mail at this point, which is kind of a fundamental function of a smartphone. It's even more frustrating when I see the mail come in on every other device and my One X just doesn't get it. If I open Mail, it comes in and sometimes it will work normally for a while after that, but then it stops again.
Really hoping HTC fixes this soon, because it's a serious issue. The only thing I haven't tried is using a 3rd party client, but I don't want to do that because then the mail conversations won't be threaded in my contact history. And honestly, I shouldn't have to.
Also, disclaimer, I am NOT set to Smart Sync on any of my accounts. They are all push.
I can confirm that I am having the same experience and its really pi##ing me off!
Occasionally I get a message stuck in the Outbox as well and then it just keeps on resending the mail. 27 times once!
It also really sucks the battery when it plays up like this.
Always seems to happen after low or no connectivity.
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It happens to me with WiFi here at home. It's not just Mail but also other apps that need to sync like Weather. It's not because of the apps but because even though it shows my WiFi is connected, it is actually disconnected.
I went to another house with WiFi the other day. Perhaps they have different settings... Either way it never happened there. NEVER. I received e-mails right away on my Mail Exchange... Right away. My Weather never missed the update schedule.
Btw, have you enabled the security thing with Mail For Exchange? Something to do with the server. I have only enabled it yesterday.
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Is it because of sync setting?
I have 2 work email account, one set as push and another set to auto sync every 4 hours, both works fine no matter i'm on 3G or wifi. Besides, my Gmail using the native gmail app also works fine. The moment i saw a notification on my desktop then immediately the phone will notify me.
This is a very real issue for me, i was just about to make a thread on it myself. I have 2 email accounts, a hotmail and a gmail, neither refuse to sync. I Cant see new or old messages, sent, deleted etc on either account. It did work at one point but then it stopped again for no apparent reason.
100% battery
doesnt work on network or wifi
everything else syncs fine, inc dropbox and weather.
using default mail client.
set to sync when i open app.
Er... Is it because it is set to sync only when you open the app?
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There is definatly an issue on HTC's side.
My exchange mail isnt working well as well. Set it to push...the first few minutes/hours AFTER I turned off the screen pushing works more or less good.
Test mails arrives a few seconds/sometimes minutes after I sent them to my own mail account...but when the phone is idling for some more hours it wont sync the mails anymore...it starts syncing the mails again when I turn on the screen.
Really annoying imo. On gingerbread push mail was working fine..mails arrived seconds after you sent them to the maila ccount that syncs the mails on the device.
I think the issue is smartsync in the settings.apk.
It tries to handle the data connection of the device to give better battery life..but therefore breaks for example proper mail syncing.
On gingerbread you was able to deactivate that feature, it was called "constant mobile data" or similar..if you unckecked it, your mobile data went to sleep after a while when your turned off the screen....on ICS you cant control it yet...Hope htc will fix it for the next OTA.
ladyhaly said:
Er... Is it because it is set to sync only when you open the app?
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Well if thats the issue then its poorly designed. I'm seriously considering exchanging for the S3.
Regardless of when it is set to sync, it should sync when i want it to. So if i have manual sync, then when i refresh it i should be able to see new email, correct?
j4n87 said:
There is definatly an issue on HTC's side.
My exchange mail isnt working well as well. Set it to push...the first few minutes/hours AFTER I turned off the screen pushing works more or less good.
Test mails arrives a few seconds/sometimes minutes after I sent them to my own mail account...but when the phone is idling for some more hours it wont sync the mails anymore...it starts syncing the mails again when I turn on the screen.
Really annoying imo. On gingerbread push mail was working fine..mails arrived seconds after you sent them to the maila ccount that syncs the mails on the device.
I think the issue is smartsync in the settings.apk.
It tries to handle the data connection of the device to give better battery life..but therefore breaks for example proper mail syncing.
On gingerbread you was able to deactivate that feature, it was called "constant mobile data" or similar..if you unckecked it, your mobile data went to sleep after a while when your turned off the screen....on ICS you cant control it yet...Hope htc will fix it for the next OTA.
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Yeah, that's what it seemed like to me: That HTC was defaulting to smartsync, even when it was set to Push, because it'll start working fine for a while, then stop again. This is really my only issue with the phone currently and it's also one of the most critical. It needs to be addressed sooner, rather than later.
This has been happening to me too. It is not new though. It happened on my HTC Sensation. E-mail would gets stuck in the outbox and tells me it has failed when in fact it is sending it over and over and people end up with multiple e-mails from me. It is extremely frustrating. I also get the exclamation mark when trying a manual sync. It ONLY happens over WiFi and it is not all the time. It happens on different WiFi connections, not just mine and it can sometimes be fine for days. The annoying thing is, I do not know I am unable to receive e-mail until I try sending one and it fails. As soon as it fails I know the problem is back and I have to switch WiFi off.
Glad I am not the only one with this issue. I may end up trying a third party mail app if it isn't fixed.
Yes, this is very annoying.
Happened to me once too, and I had to remove my account and re-create it.
Fixed it - but that's just really a work around for a problem that shouldn't exist...
drpayout said:
Happened to me once too, and I had to remove my account and re-create it.
Fixed it - but that's just really a work around for a problem that shouldn't exist...
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This doesn't work for me. I wish it was that easy.