Sorry everyone, gotta rant.
Bing.
Oh Bing, you useless, useless application. No Zehr's in my city? No Service Canada locations?
I don't care that "it only works in US and UK", if your product doesn't work in a certain country, then WHY is it sold there?
It'd be like a blu-ray player that doesn't play DVD's.
No rotation-lock.
This in itself isn't that bad, sometimes the display turns sideways, what IS bad, is trying to get it the way you were using it again. Shaking the phone, twisting it, being patient, nothing works. Once it rotates the way you weren't using it, gooooood luck, cause that thing ain't ever rotating back.
I feel like smashing my phone into a million pieces every time I see if flipping over.
Yes both things that need addressing, and I am expecting Bing to have massive upgrades in Apollo. The rotation lock is a no brainer, and should be there. Hopefully also in Apollo.
I have no issues with rotation on my HD7 whatsoever, when I rotate it rotates without hesitation. It might be a problem with your phone and not the OS itself, and Zehr? Wow that's old school,ain't seen one of those around my area in quite sometime.
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Sorry everyone, gotta rant.
Bing.
Oh Bing, you useless, useless application. No Zehr's in my city? No Service Canada locations?
I don't care that "it only works in US and UK", if your product doesn't work in a certain country, then WHY is it sold there?
It'd be like a blu-ray player that doesn't play DVD's.
No rotation-lock.
This in itself isn't that bad, sometimes the display turns sideways, what IS bad, is trying to get it the way you were using it again. Shaking the phone, twisting it, being patient, nothing works. Once it rotates the way you weren't using it, gooooood luck, cause that thing ain't ever rotating back.
I feel like smashing my phone into a million pieces every time I see if flipping over.
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1st calm down and do a little googling.
Answer for A
http://www.wpcentral.com/activate-scout-bing-vision-mango-canada-others-how-to
Answer for B
What app are you having rotation issues in? rotation always worked in all apps for me with NO issues.
What O/S version? Nodo? Mango? above?
You can also install orientation lock (assuming you can side load and are IU);
http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/orientation_lock_v3-04-16-12
Not built in but at least an option
Bing works only in certain countries, its like Zune though.
The rotation is good, never had problems with it.
it's funny, just yesterday I was telling a coworker how well the rotate works on my arrive compared to my old tp2 wm 6.5. No issues here.
Bing is great too..... AMERICANS FTW! j/k!
I wish Bing rewards was integrated into the phone, just another selling point Microsoft.... That way when the real deal Skype App/integration comes we can search Bing to earn Skype minutes , simply with our phones..
LiFePo4 said:
You can also install orientation lock (assuming you can side load and are IU);
http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/orientation_lock_v3-04-16-12
Not built in but at least an option
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Lucky for many of us, it seems that IU (interop unlock) isn't necessary for the latest release. YAY!
http://windowsphonehacker.com/articles/orientation_lock_release-02-06-12
Oh gods double on the rotation. It's usually completely fine. And keeps how it's meant to be.
But once in a while (usually in IE) it rotates and then takes ages to realise I want it back.
I think it's frustating Facebook messages. It should receive inboxes. I hate need to go to Facebook app to read inbox messages. That sucks so bad..
Never had a problem with quick rotating back on any of my 9 Windows Phones(1 Lumia 900, 3 Radars, 2 Hd7s, 2 HD2's), not on a single one.
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mikeeam said:
I think it's frustating Facebook messages. It should receive inboxes. I hate need to go to Facebook app to read inbox messages. That sucks so bad..
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Are you signed into FB chat via the messaging hub or the Me tile? You should receive most FB messages the same as SMS.
anseio said:
Are you signed into FB chat via the messaging hub or the Me tile? You should receive most FB messages the same as SMS.
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I receive when I'm online, yes. But those messages are Facebook chat. Facebook have unified inbox and chat messages, but still, when i'm not online and someone send me a message, I just receive it through the app.
mikeeam said:
I receive when I'm online, yes. But those messages are Facebook chat. Facebook have unified inbox and chat messages, but still, when i'm not online and someone send me a message, I just receive it through the app.
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It would be nice if it all were treated the same. I do think it's an FB issue though. I've got friends whose messages come to my phone, and others' who don't. What I've noticed is that Damon is signed into chat, but Jacob is not. Jacob's messages always appear in the app/online but never in my messaging hub. :|
mikeeam said:
I think it's frustating Facebook messages. It should receive inboxes. I hate need to go to Facebook app to read inbox messages. That sucks so bad..
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Sometimes when people send me a Facebook message I get it in the messaging hub.
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Call me crazy, but I decided to install the new Yahoo Go! 2.0 (beta) on my device (just to see if it is as crappy as the old version). The Yahoo website recognized that I was running WM6 ... nice ... I have (for those who care) Sleuth 3.1 installed at the moment.
So, far, it is running nicely. I like getting my yahoo mail on my 8525 without having to sign up for any special yahoo plan. Time will tell whether there are memory leaks.
For those in the United States, you can download from http://us.get.go.yahoo.com on your PDA ... or if you prefer, the cab file I downloaded is below. [there presumably is another link for other countries]
For others who try this out, we can use this thread to compare notes.
I was hoping the holdup was a new messenger... bah.
You know, the "push" side of things doesn't seem to be working for my Yahoo Mail... it says in settings it has it, but it's not pushing anything...
i know shame about the push
just out of interest which do people prefer, live search or yahoo go?
they're both very similar
Live Search doesn't have Maps.. .. that's what I like about Yahoo Go! .. that and it seems to be device specific.
hey same here Push is not wokring !!!!!
I wish there was some way to select and delete multiple emails .. anyone figure that out? Or even just to scroll through emails easily. The mail interface, in general, seems to suck.
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I was hoping the holdup was a new messenger... bah.
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same thing i said... no messenger... yahoo sucks ass. i think charging for im is dispicable. once you've got a net plan it should be free. i dont care if they put ads on it. they're so greedy they make deals with the carriers to milk us each message. and that forces you to buy a text plan.
thats why google will always be ahead of yahoo. google understands that you can make just as much, if not more money in ads and give away products free as if you would try to milk customers.
in conclusion: yahoo go with no messenger.... they lost!
on the brighter side, its just beta so maybe the official version will have it.
aameerp said:
i know shame about the push
just out of interest which do people prefer, live search or yahoo go?
they're both very similar
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i love the go gui. yet the live gui is more to the point and simplistic, and that can be to the user's advantage.
Yeah, the Go GUI is totally sweet actually. Very easy to navigate. Now, I gotta convince my buddies at google to make something like this.....<wink>
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Live Search doesn't have Maps.. .. that's what I like about Yahoo Go! .. that and it seems to be device specific.
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Wrong. I don't know what you're talking about because Live Search has both Road and Aerial maps...
I've been playing with the new Go 2.0 today... mostly unimpressed. It runs slow and I've had to re install it once already.
The only cool thing I've found about it so far is the direct Flickr uploading ability. That is cool, everything else is sub-par.
Installed the new Go 2.0 beta today with no problems after reading this thread. I'll be playing with it the next few days. So far the GUI looks nice, but runs slow on my Edge connection.
It works pretty nice as an RSS Reader as well. One thing I really liked about the old Yahoo Go, is as soon as you took a picture, it would upload it to your yahoo photos if you wanted it to. Now with the Flikr deal, it doesn't do that... You have to go into the GUI and pick pictures to upload. Now you can manage the pictures better though... I have mixed feelings about that one.
Just had to uninstall yahoo Go because my phone kept freezing up..
Why can't I get Yahoo Go to work? My connection is set to Media net. I can't get Yahoo Go to connect, Google Maps to connect, Live Search to connect. Before I upgraded to WM6 I could get 3rd party apps to run fine.
I tried switching to my isp instead but when I switch to it, I get a message that 'the answering modem has disconnected....'
Can anyone help me?
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Why can't I get Yahoo Go to work? My connection is set to Media net. I can't get Yahoo Go to connect, Google Maps to connect, Live Search to connect. Before I upgraded to WM6 I could get 3rd party apps to run fine.
I tried switching to my isp instead but when I switch to it, I get a message that 'the answering modem has disconnected....'
Can anyone help me?
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If you have not put in your operator settings in, it will not connect because the settings are blank.
Pumpiron579 said:
Just had to uninstall yahoo Go because my phone kept freezing up..
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same here. Conclusion: NOT very impressive
Is a memory sucker too.
Prior to install would have 18-19mb of RAM avail.
After install was down to 12-14mb.
Now after uninstall back to normal.
With most email going through my exchange server and google maps and live-search, I see no need for more bloatware.
Jim
hear hear!
Oh well.
I had been waiting for this software for a while now. I can't believe they didn't include IM!
Hey everyone, I`ve noticed a terrible flaw in WP7 and maybe I`ve overlooked a way to overcome it.
The problem is that sms conversations that have become really long, create a huge lag in terms of scrolling, typing and pressing the send button. In Android and iPhone, they have that option where you can 'click to view previous messages' but in WP7, it seems to display all the messages no matter what which is probably what creates the huge lag.
Anyway to fix this?
impruv said:
Hey everyone, I`ve noticed a terrible flaw in WP7 and maybe I`ve overlooked a way to overcome it.
The problem is that sms conversations that have become really long, create a huge lag in terms of scrolling, typing and pressing the send button. In Android and iPhone, they have that option where you can 'click to view previous messages' but in WP7, it seems to display all the messages no matter what which is probably what creates the huge lag.
Anyway to fix this?
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How many messages do you mean by saying "really long"?
The conversation with my girlfriend has a few hundred messages since I bought the Omnia7 but I cannot see any kind of lag.
skycamefalling said:
How many messages do you mean by saying "really long"?
The conversation with my girlfriend has a few hundred messages since I bought the Omnia7 but I cannot see any kind of lag.
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Hmm..I'd say somewhere around 2000 texts? It's really bothering me... I feel like I'm texting on my iphone 3g lol.
Ill probably record a video to show what I'm experiencing in a few days after my exams.
impruv said:
Hmm..I'd say somewhere around 2000 texts? It's really bothering me... I feel like I'm texting on my iphone 3g lol.
Ill probably record a video to show what I'm experiencing in a few days after my exams.
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ive noticed the same thing! they should do like they did on windows mobile when you scroll up you gotta press a button to load the next few cause theres no point loading every single text cause it can cause majorr lag
I had the same problem too. The only way to fix it is to delete the conversation.
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Strange, i just came on here to see if others had the same problem. It happens here too. A "see more" button would be great.
silvertonesx24 said:
Strange, i just came on here to see if others had the same problem. It happens here too. A "see more" button would be great.
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this is definitely a feature i would like to see!
Wish they add it in next update.
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My wp7 lags on messaging too after 1000 messages so slow
Darn, I was hoping it was just me and that i could fix it.
I really don't want to delete the conversation... guess I'll just have to live with it. I'm surprised they didn't implement the show more button like android/iPhone does it.
You should be deleting conversations that start to creep up into the 1k range.. I remember on android if i reached 1k in a thread; I wasn't able to delete it, it was so large that the os would choke..
So moral of the story, dont keep long threads..
Really??? You need that many texts???
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impruv said:
Hmm..I'd say somewhere around 2000 texts? It's really bothering me... I feel like I'm texting on my iphone 3g lol.
Ill probably record a video to show what I'm experiencing in a few days after my exams.
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Any phone would do that. Blackberries do it, Androids do it, and iPhones do it as well. It's time to set a reasonable threshold for cached texts. It lags for the same reason the XDA Forum list lags a lot of browsers...
Microsoft really needs to add Text Backup to the Devices Site, like MyPhone had...
Dunno why you'd want 2k text cached, though (everyone says in case they need to look up information from an earlier text, lol...).
microhaxo said:
You should be deleting conversations that start to creep up into the 1k range.. I remember on android if i reached 1k in a thread; I wasn't able to delete it, it was so large that the os would choke..
So moral of the story, dont keep long threads..
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I have several 1600-2200 message conversations. I haven't delete an sms since december of last year. there is no need in deleting them. fix the problem, move on.
smsbackup is great.
N8ter said:
Dunno why you'd want 2k text cached, though (everyone says in case they need to look up information from an earlier text, lol...).
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This.
Sure, some of those texts may well include important information but, and be honest, would you ever be able to find that one message out of 2000 when you actually needed it?
I'll admit, I don't text much these days as most everyone I used to text now owns a smartphone - I tend to email or IM. If I email all messages are stored in the cloud (Exchange, Hotmail, GMail etc etc) and easily searchable (I do wish WP7's email client would include server-search though) and if I get a piece of very important information thru IM I'll copy it into OneNote - which, again, lives in the cloud and is fully searchable.
Honestly, if there is any vital information within a text you need to "look back upon to read" then you're seriously handling your information in a horrible, horrible manner. I would think most people would use e-mail for this type of thing, or store it better. Once texts in any OS reach a certain point, it takes a disgustingly long amount of time to look back at any level due to he sheer amount of texts... I delete messages once a month.
This is honestly a no win situation for Microsoft... If they put a load more button, then people complain the way they did back in the Sense days where they wanted it loaded entirely. I like the load feature, it allows to uninterrupted view for a reasonable amount of texts...
If you're a psychopath who decides to store 5 billion texts, you can't blame anybody but yourself, and you honestly aren't normal.
Yes me too. I didnt erase my sms since i bought this Mozart and i dont see lag at all up to now.
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FiyaFleye said:
Honestly, if there is any vital information within a text you need to "look back upon to read" then you're seriously handling your information in a horrible, horrible manner. I would think most people would use e-mail for this type of thing, or store it better. Once texts in any OS reach a certain point, it takes a disgustingly long amount of time to look back at any level due to he sheer amount of texts... I delete messages once a month.
This is honestly a no win situation for Microsoft... If they put a load more button, then people complain the way they did back in the Sense days where they wanted it loaded entirely. I like the load feature, it allows to uninterrupted view for a reasonable amount of texts...
If you're a psychopath who decides to store 5 billion texts, you can't blame anybody but yourself, and you honestly aren't normal.
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then it should load like 100-200 texts and when you scroll back when you reach the end it should automatically load 100 more before you get to the end
DatDereX1 said:
then it should load like 100-200 texts and when you scroll back when you reach the end it should automatically load 100 more before you get to the end
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I promise somebody would find a problem with this... Like I said, I honestly don't mind because I don't keep thousands of texts, and I send a healthy amount a month... But I don't let them collect for a year like some users...
As far as the lag, I haven't seen it, I'm guessing because I keep it at a reasonable amount...
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Honestly, if there is any vital information within a text you need to "look back upon to read" then you're seriously handling your information in a horrible, horrible manner. I would think most people would use e-mail for this type of thing, or store it better. Once texts in any OS reach a certain point, it takes a disgustingly long amount of time to look back at any level due to he sheer amount of texts... I delete messages once a month.
This is honestly a no win situation for Microsoft... If they put a load more button, then people complain the way they did back in the Sense days where they wanted it loaded entirely. I like the load feature, it allows to uninterrupted view for a reasonable amount of texts...
If you're a psychopath who decides to store 5 billion texts, you can't blame anybody but yourself, and you honestly aren't normal.
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Its not vital to me, but sometimes you want to keep the texts from someone special, or someone who isn't around anymore. I would delete them, but I do not like deleting anything knowing that I'll NEVER get it back if I wanted. With the iPhone, I backed up the SMS database file iTunes backed up and then deleted the texts from the phone. That's all I needed.
The mango messaging system seems nice and all, but I really wonder why they did not keep it seperated.
I had my doubts and than I read this article http://wmpoweruser.com/mango-and-messaging-we-have-a-problem/ which sums up some more issues.
Basically my biggest problem is that we send more important stuff trough SMS it has a much higher value than an IM. So whenever somebody smsses an adress, i will need to scroll trough 100s of IMs which I can not clear since the address is still there in one of those messages.
Second: the media are different, you can not expect the other user to switch to FB chat to MSN than to sms because I want to change service, this still incorporate 3 different media for the majority of the users namely a WL desktop client, facebook webpage and a phone for regular texting (which also costs money so people will use it differently)
Third, we used msn when we were 12, now nobody uses it in my country but I would like to use FB chat... This is not possible, you can only switch off FB chat or switch off both. So the whole feature will be useless if I dont want to use msn/windows live messenger.
Notifications: what if smsses are inportant but IMs not, hopefully I will be able to receive a toast ONLY with sms messages and just let the IMs slide. Imagine receiving 100 messages every 10 minutes it will drive you nuts. And here comes the next problem when there is an important sms inbetween you dont know who send it, because if you open up messages they all look the same so you dont know who texted you (important) or has send you and im (which has less priority).
I wish they can make a new tab for the im conversations or atleast filter the thread down on ALL / SMS / IM. As it is now, it will be nice for kids but if you are 16+ it will become a major pain to find what is important and what is just spam.
The system right now is shortsighted and of poor value. an implementation like blackberry's is better. SMS is a different system, mail is a different system, IM is as well, you all respond differently on each one of them. It should be possible to mannage each seperately. Now ill have to be always offline and rely on third party just to im trough FB which kills the use of this native feature, but SMS messages are just to important to blend with the IMs.
This is all speculation to be fair, they have beta testers so if there are issues with notifications they will probably be aware of these. I'm happy to use a separate messaging client and keep my messaging hub for sms only as long as WLM is allowed again in IM+ and others. That would just make things easy.
On a side note people should stop complaining that nobody uses WLM, enough with that, it's the most used IM client in the world!
I'm not 12 andstill this is my number one choice for IM as I barely use my facebook account and it has integrated facebook chat anyway.
fair (and while I wrote the article)
one major issue with being in a beta of anything is that it takes time for testing and that's huge. I mean looking at Adam Lein and others, the sms interface was a bit bare and naked - save from the actual threaded view.
In nodo, we have seen the issue of some lag in the SMS window (not nearly as bad as windows mobile, but still very noticeable) and there needs to be some richer options for recall, optimization and trash collection.
I love the idea for having a central messaging hub that integrates the services I use most (microsoft specifically). I still use MSN and it's my favorite messaging tool (I used yahoo early in college, and AIM in high school) so I use MSN a lot.
The notification I don't feel is a huge issue (as Eldar contends). There are far more bigger problems with the SMS view from a variety of different contexts. All in all, there may be a big problem. I doubt it will be solved till Apollo but that is definitely a worse case scenario.
I mean yes, the sms lag is better in nodo, but not by much
One thing to note, if you dont want to use WLM or Facebook chat just change the method of communication to SMS. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to send IM's if YOU dont want to, its only there as a convenience to WP7 users so you can continue your conversation across the different mediums seamlessly. Just because someone is online on Facebook chat or WLM doesnt mean you cant just send an SMS if that is your preference.
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One thing to note, if you dont want to use WLM or Facebook chat just change the method of communication to SMS. There is absolutely nothing forcing you to send IM's if YOU dont want to, its only there as a convenience to WP7 users so you can continue your conversation across the different mediums seamlessly. Just because someone is online on Facebook chat or WLM doesnt mean you cant just send an SMS if that is your preference.
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I know. Thats not the problem. But it will render the built in IM useless if disabled.
The problem is the communication trough SMS is totally different than the communication trough IM. Which will occur on different devices still for the majority out there. An SMS to me is still a high priority thing in some cases, if you want to make an appointment it works fine trough sms, however if its cluttered with all IM's from other users and stuff Im afraid one can easily get lost in the received messages and not find the IM of the appointment when looking for it or trying to find it again after you have read it.
Having IMs seperated (which are in general sended way more frequently with less important stuff than SMS) would be better because now the user can decide to use the built in IM and keep it seperated from the SMS OR mix them in a thread if he/she desires. But one will still have the advantage of starting an IM out of the people hub.
Also I know you dont have to use it, I've seen all the demo's and read about it. But the thing is what if I want to use it but just Facebook and what if I still want to see my SMS messages seperated. Using just FB chat is not possible atm, it will also pull up your WLM contacts, it would be totally cool if I could set MSN status as offline and FB status as online, but as it looks right now its only possible the other way around...
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Picture this: you have the device in your pocket, its fine if people want to contact me trough Facebook, but if somebody sends me an SMS with the appointmet and half an hour later starts talking to me on FB chat (because he/she is on FB than), I check my phone and the SMS with the appointment has sunk all the way down since there have been 10 new IM's from this person.
Its easy to lose/forget the valuable information if you can not check your phone every minute.
Dont get me wrong, its a feature with great potential but as of now, it will need more control over the different services (individual statusses per service) and some way to filter out the SMS messages and hide the IM or vica versa.
This feature will benefit a lot more when it would also be possible for whatapp to be integrated, which resembles the SMS a lot better than IM.
Maybe Microsoft could add a filter option? For example, when the SMS filter is toggled it would only show text messages as well send only text messages .
@Marvin_S: You could come across the same situation if you get a lot of SMS's as well, same as with email. I see your point but making them separate just makes it messier, having to switch back and forth to send messages and having to determine where a new message is. If you start adding separate notifications for each protocol then it becomes even more complex to implement and manage.
Much easier to have all the messages on one screen and you can easily just scroll to find what you want and not have to try and figure out by which method the message was delivered.
SMS isn't just for important conversations. There is a reason why people run through thousands of SMS in a month nowadays, and its not because they are really important. Its because people use SMS the same way they use IM, to chat.
If you are getting something really important in an SMS (like an appointment), it might make sense to copy it over into a task or your calendar.
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Why would it make anything messier? It should be optional ofcourse, so it will only help those who will need to keep it organised.
Well SMS and IM are very different. That some of us use it the same way is a choice of course, just like some people chose to use it as different media to communicate.
You can NOT receive IM's if you dont want to receive it (OFFLINE) and the other party will not be able to send you one, while with SMS it will be sent whenever somebody desires and will be read whenever the reader has the time (always delivered --> higher priority/value).
This for me is a fundamental difference and makes SMS more reliable for appointments or letting somebody know where you are on the go.
And I just wondered why MS chose to do it this way, while all the other platforms have these forms of communication seperated.
I can see this having a good and a bad side, maybe I worry too much about the negative aspect, but it can be solved easily by providing us with some more settings to have more control over how we want to receive our IM's and Texts.
Like sheltem said a switch or a pivot with All/IM/Text will make it simple for the user to narrow its search down. And maybe defaulting it to All (like email, All/unread/flag) and having the same interface to delete IM's and texts will be great.
I have faith MS will come up with a solution which will satisfy both parties and I have full faith that they will...
thank god I didn't have to reiterate my position ad nauseum
I've been doing that since the article has been written and while I don't mind spirited debate of how windows phone is versus how it could be, it's like many users sorta either focused on Eldar's contentions, the notification, or the sms window and not the total sums of each argument.
As I said before, for us, geeks, there may not be much of an issue. But consider who/what microsoft is trying to target - everyone else. Place yourself in their shoes, and of course it can lead to some frustration and some easy mistakes from users thinking hey I sent it this way when in fact it came in another way - EVEN WITH THE TEXT/FACEBOOK option open.
I don't think there is anything wrong with an extra swipe gesture to switch mode of communication. It is almost the same thing microsoft is doing, but instead of it being in the menu setting, it is in the face of the user. And sometimes, that makes all of the difference.
I'm not knocking the idea or the service, but asking everyone to consider how people without windows phone may view it. And that empathy is important for Microsoft to make it a success. So it's not a knock at Microsoft or their intentions.
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thank god I didn't have to reiterate my position ad nauseum
I've been doing that since the article has been written and while I don't mind spirited debate of how windows phone is versus how it could be, it's like many users sorta either focused on Eldar's contentions, the notification, or the sms window and not the total sums of each argument.
As I said before, for us, geeks, there may not be much of an issue. But consider who/what microsoft is trying to target - everyone else. Place yourself in their shoes, and of course it can lead to some frustration and some easy mistakes from users thinking hey I sent it this way when in fact it came in another way - EVEN WITH THE TEXT/FACEBOOK option open.
I don't think there is anything wrong with an extra swipe gesture to switch mode of communication. It is almost the same thing microsoft is doing, but instead of it being in the menu setting, it is in the face of the user. And sometimes, that makes all of the difference.
I'm not knocking the idea or the service, but asking everyone to consider how people without windows phone may view it. And that empathy is important for Microsoft to make it a success. So it's not a knock at Microsoft or their intentions.
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Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
Marvin_S said:
Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
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I know personally even though it says the service in a tiny font, I'll cry foul because of user error. Microsoft's main goal is to sorta cease some consensual user error not increase it. There are a variety of ideas to kick around
One comment noted a notification system in the messaging hub that indicates where the user messaged you at (like the notifications portion of the people hub) in conjunction with the swipe/pivot gestures to make a fairly good solution of which service the notification is coming from and keeping it organized.
Adding to that paradigm, I can still see how the initial chat window serves a function, as a unified way the person contacted you recently. And I have to be honest, that would be really a great and refined method of implementing a submessaging system full of notification and a clean user experience.
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does a swipe really complicate the user more than a tap setting>mode>switch service to (sms/facebook/msn)
I'm sorry, I don't see how a pivot is less complex than the system that is in mango already. replacing the finger taps for one or two pivots...
imho should've posted this write up on xda
Well the thing is MS has its vision of having everything related into a horzontal scrolling panorama. Which is absolutely great.
And they want you to use the settings menu as less as possible, so in this case yeah this switch setting (which I will be using frequently) will be more annoying since its click select close than type. While the pivot swiping to the right will get you into sms directly and the user will always stay in the same "level" or layer.
And it follows the consistency of the system this way.
You will have all the options with 1 just one pivot menu:
All (which is the way it works right now) / SMS / IM / Online
if you are on all, its the threaded view with default reply option as it is now. When swipe to the right it filters the messages down to sms only with reply as SMS.
Im the same but than reply as IM.
actally that too is a good point
Microsoft has made a unified design experience focusing on pivots and wipes with metro. The idea of tapping through settings is sadly reminescent of apple and android; somethign I don't really want to go back to anytime soon
Marvin_S said:
Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
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I agree that there is the potential for a problem here. Ideally, the facebook connection would be detected as idle and the OS would choose the fallback method of SMS. I haven't used it so I can't say for sure how it handles this, I'd hope it is that good. Of course, that still leaves us with the potential for problems in the window that it takes for the user to go from online to idle/away. Not nearly as big of an issue though.
It all comes down to how accurately the software can determine a user's presence. If the OS automatically sends a message via Facebook because it knows the user is actively using Facebook then I don't think there is an issue.
Personally I think ms should just separate the all and using the metro theme, sperste elm, fb chat and SMS. So you just slide. I don't use wlm, and hardly use hotmail there spam filter is awful.
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Actually, hotmaii filters out spam just fine for me. Quite well, actually.
On topic. I think we should wait and see how this works in its entirety. I don't think it's going to be as big of an issue as you guys think it may be.
And, separating the services defeats the purpose of the threaded convo view in the first place.
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SMS isn't just for important conversations. There is a reason why people run through thousands of SMS in a month nowadays, and its not because they are really important. Its because people use SMS the same way they use IM, to chat.
If you are getting something really important in an SMS (like an appointment), it might make sense to copy it over into a task or your calendar.
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This.
Seriously. If you got something important to note you probably should learn to write it down or train your working memory to recall the info instead of relying so much on technology.
Marvin_S said:
Exactly... this is how the a standard user will use it:
Im running late, hurrying to get to the station on time. Ill text my friends "hey Im on my way to the station" but he left his computer on with his FB account and the message will get send to his FB account because I forget to switch to SMS mode... I think I sended the message just fine, but sended it trough FB instead of text. Of course there is this status text saying FB, but still.
It might sound really stupid and exaggerated, but I can assure you this will happen and it will be annoying to constantly switch back to SMS if you do really have to SMS. Having a seperate click in the people hub for sent IM, sent SMS, or a pivot in the messaging hub will totally rule out these errors.
But this is ofcourse the downside... and hopefully they come up with something smart and think a bit outside of the box. The system has great potential, no doubt.
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Hmm, interesting my reasonable response and the response of others would be to hit the line of communication the person would check the most which arguably is a person's self phone.
Too each his own for sure, but I don't think it's out of the norm or rather is the norm that people would message someone on their phone first, especially if going somewhere to meet someone.
Good update.
IE9 : Great, except for removing the Quick Buttons for Tabs and Favorites
Bing : Vision and Audio Great. Local Scout I haven't tried.
Search Button : Removed Contextual Search Button - Terrible.
Messaging Hub : WLM and FB Chat are virtually useless. Messages come in way too late, if they even arrive at all. 90% of the time, they don't arrive for WLM. Haven't tested FB, but not expecting anything different there.
Visual Voicemail : for me (on T-Mobile), excellent.
Task Switching : Excellent
Email Client Changes : Excellent
Office Hub Changes : Excellent but it feels like no one tested this. You can't mvoe or delete files in your skydrive. When you back out of a folder you go straight to Office Hub instead of One Folder up. Things are alphabetized, but they don't put folders on top. It's all mixed in there. Just seems a bit messy. Otherwise, works as you'd generally think it's intended to work. Connections are very fast, not a lot of load time.
People Hub Changes : Generally great. Still doesn't update in the background, which makes the load times even more ridiculous if you have a lot of updates to load.
Me Hub Changes : Great. Live Tile works for Social Notifications.
*** WP7 Still Doesn't have a decent notification Cache, which is a bit terrible. Needed ASAP, IMO.
Calendar : Synching of To-Dos from Windows Live is a much welcome feature.
XBox Live looks better.
Picture Hub by default does a slideshow of all your pictures. Not a welcome'd default.
Podcast support in Zune HD Hub : Yay!
Biggest disappointment for me was the apparent uselessness of the WLM/Facebook chat in Messaging Hub. It was probably the single biggest feature I was waiting for when you assume obvious things like Browser, etc. would be brought up to par (which they have been, exceeding many expectations). That being said, it makes me feel less bad about spending $9.99 on Beejive for Android 4 days ago.
I can't believe Microsoft forced IM+ to butcher their IM app... for this... And the worst thing is this will not get fixed without a full FW update, since it's built into the OS.
yeah I miss the buttons for new tabs and favorites/history
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Picture Hub by default does a slideshow of all your pictures. Not a welcome'd default.
if you set it to shuffle background it will do a slide show of your favorites
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I havent used FB chat on RTM yet, but with the Dev beta FB chat worked great and fast
If the FB works great and fast that's cool and all.
I just know the WLM is useless outside of knowing who's online or sending one message you don't expect a response to, because it barely recieves the replies and when it does it recieves them anywhere from 0.5-3 minutes after other WLM clients both on WP7 and other platforms.
It's actually worse than Messenger by Miyowa, which is a miracle...
not sure your issue with WLM. It works flawlessly for me (and in real time).
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The WLM / Facebook chat works allright for me. It takes a little longer for messages to reach, but I've had long, fast conversations with it and it has worked flawlessly.
I was testing it out earlier by chatting back and forth with a friend of mine. Worked just fine. As soon as I hit send, I saw it come up on the computer. When I saw his message hit the comp, it hit my phone. Last one was about 2 seconds behind.
Now, I was on wi-fi. So, performance may vary with connection speed. Will test on 3G tomorrow.
My FB chat is almost instant. (Sprint HTC Arrive)
Facebook almost instant. Wlm, no.
And sorry but I was trying it with two phones and a computer. Its not operator error.
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And now that that has prompted me to recheck, the notifications and delivery seem equal to the android clients now...
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N8ter said:
Facebook almost instant. Wlm, no.
And sorry but I was trying it with two phones and a computer. Its not operator error.
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WLM on the phone I think from my experience stops receiving messages if you respond elsewhere. Fo exmaple if a friend messages me, I get it simultaneously on the phone, web and desktop messenger. If I repsond on the phone I recieve all replies in realtime across all options. However if I reply on the desktop messenger or the web, I no longer recieve replies on the phone until I start responding on the phone. This works fine for me as it saves battery since im already responding elsewhere.
That's how it's intended to work. You're only supposed to receive responses on your phone to messages that were sent from your phone. With that being said, my WLM and Facebook are both instant. Not sure if it has to do with signal strength or what. I use both all day, and both never hiccup.
Haven't tried WLM yet, but FB chat is absolutely instant for me. I chatted with my wife basically in real time from my phone to her laptop.
They have removed timer from dropdown volume bar when tracks are played.
Call history still doesn't show call duration.. Only history which is useless.
I don't want that favorite window in pics hub. I don't have time to favorite pics.
Can't add more than 20 people to one group.
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Had the same issue with fb chat over wifi. But it's real time with 3G.
Maybe it's my connection and it's unrelated.
I would give it an 8 out of 10, they lose points for the extra taps required for tabs and favourites in IE. Biggest joy for me though was being able to change the default search provider from the truly awful Yahoo that O2 UK had forced upon us in earlier version to Bing!!!
It would appear to me if you have a contact that is Facebook linked and WLM linked it will only allow you to message them on there Facebook, which i guess makes sense since most people like them bother.
Bad:
Twitter updates doesnt work even though my account has synched with the phone.
Windows Live posts/updates doesnt work either.
Hardware search-button is COMPLETELY useless. "We can't connect to search at the moment. Check mobile data or WiFi connection".. Yeah I have full data and WiFi connection thank you very ****ing much. This is bull****. I know Local Scout and Bing Maps isnt available here but at least give me a web search or send me to bing web page. Useless!
Since I activated my Swedish Live-ID Zune doesn't get artist-backgrounds or artist-info. I should have figured since Zune Service isnt available here in Sweden. Album art on lockscreen doesn't work either. (Seriously?! I understand why we cant buy music through the Zune Service yet here in Sweden but why the hell cant my albumart be displayed?)
Good:
I love the new Live Tiles for groups and Me-tile, love the notifications.
Love Threads in email-apps and the ability to link mailboxes.
Like the new fb-integration, so far I havent installed the fb-app, I still miss that we cant see who like a certain photo etc.
FiyaFleye said:
That's how it's intended to work. You're only supposed to receive responses on your phone to messages that were sent from your phone. With that being said, my WLM and Facebook are both instant. Not sure if it has to do with signal strength or what. I use both all day, and both never hiccup.
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Wrong. WLM supports multiple points of presense.
Being logged in at multiple places doesn't matter. WLM has worked like this for over half a decade, now, if not longer.
leftspeaker2000 said:
It would appear to me if you have a contact that is Facebook linked and WLM linked it will only allow you to message them on there Facebook, which i guess makes sense since most people like them bother.
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The Phone Prioritizes FB > WLM > SMS/MMS
You can switch between the three manually, with the switch button on the bottom of the screen.
Too bad there are no delivery confirmations like BeejiveIM or S/D/R tags like Blackberry/Kik Messenger.
Would like the ability to send Video, Contact, and Location as well.
I think it's a horrible app you can't see who is online or busy or whatever. This is not a chat service anymore. There is no contact list basically listing all the people from your G+ and contacts. It's horrible!. In every level. I have to scroll through 800 contacts or search just to send a message and it doesn't even let me know if that person is online, so I have no idea how they are getting my messages
I have to agree. This is pretty terrible. They even removed the calling option so its just video now, as if video-only makes sense on a PHONE.
Hopefully Talk isn't dead by the end of the year.
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Thankfully when you uninstall google hangouts you get google talk back
I'm going to agree as well. I dont like that I cant see who's online. And almost all of my contacts dont have this service so, in my opinion, they shouldnt show up at all.
If you guys have any link to updated apk please post it
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Wow, that sounds bad. I'm so glad I saw this thread before installing this garbage.
kenedy said:
If you guys have any link to updated apk please post it
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It's in the Play Store
NexusHeat said:
Wow, that sounds bad. I'm so glad I saw this thread before installing this garbage.
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I just sent a message to a yahoo account, thinking I was going to get an email or something, NOP! Nothing, so you have to be totally sure that message you're sending it's to someone who has a gmail account
chanchan305 said:
Thankfully when you uninstall google hangouts you get google talk back
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I did that as soon as it asked me to confirm my phone number. I really just want the built-in IM that came with my account, not a Whatsapp clone to replace it. I already have Whatsapp.
Hopefully Talk never dies. Hangouts is social media disguised as instant messaging.
So after watching a video on it, I realized it does show who is online by displaying their profile pic at the bottom when they join the hangout. But still, it shouldnt display ALL my contacts in the contact list. Just the ones who have the ability to use it.
Idk maybe it's just me, but I like the new hangout. You can send screenshots again and everything. Granted, it takes some getting used to, but after playing with it a bit, its growing on me
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jsgraphicart said:
So after watching a video on it, I realized it does show who is online by displaying their profile pic at the bottom when they join the hangout. But still, it shouldnt display ALL my contacts in the contact list. Just the ones who have the ability to use it.
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exactly!
I just wish it was a proper unified messaging app - i.e. could send carrier SMS to non-Hangout contacts. Incidentally, anyone know what happens to the message if you do try and send to someone who doesn't have it? Must get routed somewhere?
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I just wish it was a proper unified messaging app - i.e. could send carrier SMS to non-Hangout contacts. Incidentally, anyone know what happens to the message if you do try and send to someone who doesn't have it? Must get routed somewhere?
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I'm still waiting for the message I sent to my yahoo account
chanchan305 said:
I'm still waiting for the message I sent to my yahoo account
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I would think this only works with Gmail/Google+ users. Which, again, is why not all contacts should not be displayed. I'm going to try and search for some info on this.
!!11oneone said:
I just wish it was a proper unified messaging app - i.e. could send carrier SMS to non-Hangout contacts. Incidentally, anyone know what happens to the message if you do try and send to someone who doesn't have it? Must get routed somewhere?
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Why would you think this would happen? Google doesn't want you using carrier SMS anyway. They will shift us to internet-based messaging completely someday. That's why you didn't get SMS integration.
I'm guessing it gets sent to their Google Talk.
chanchan305 said:
I think it's a horrible app you can't see who is online or busy or whatever. This is not a chat service anymore. There is no contact list basically listing all the people from your G+ and contacts. It's horrible!. In every level. I have to scroll through 800 contacts or search just to send a message and it doesn't even let me know if that person is online, so I have no idea how they are getting my messages
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So if you go and try to start a hangout it will show you a list of people to start the hangout with, people not available(offline) has their picture grayed out and the available(online) are shown as usual. As far as the video calling-I think if the person on the other end doesn't have video calling available(due to no front facing camera on their phone or no camera on the desktop/laptop) only voice calling will be the option available....have to test it though... I think it's fresh and after awhile it will get better...I don't hate it.
Sadly a lot not to like so far. I was wondering why there were duplicate users in my contact list, if they are showing non-gmail email accounts separately I guess that explains it. Unfortunately, it doesn't show what account users in the list are coming from so you don't know which one you can use, if any.
Hopefully they will fix the contact mess and re-add status information (online/busy/offline, mobile/desktop). I like the new emoji, but hardly seems worth the great leap backwards in functionality.
On the plus side, you can finally copy text from your message history, so that's one longstanding, inexplicable failure corrected
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I like the new emoji, but hardly seems worth the great leap backwards in functionality.
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This is what is really annoying. It feels like a dumbed-down product even though its been in the making for what seems like forever. It even requires you to join G+ to get the most out of it. Plus, its not even really that unified, as people still have G+ messenger since this only replaces Talk.
Heck, the app rating in the Play store has plummeted to 3.9 as I type this. What a joke.
completely useless.
I can't believe it took them two years to make this.
google talk was MUCH better, and compared to let's say, whatsapp, google talk was completely useless. that's how bad this thing is.