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Hey guys, now that we can backup our IMEI (Thanks to peoplearmy and geek!) I feel like flashing roms like a mad man. But before I start I was wondering if theres any differences between the CWM and TWRP? I want to be able to backup my current stock state and flash new roms.
Still new and it's taking a bit of time learning the vast ocean of android modding/development. When I hear people saying backup your stock rom before flashing, does this mean basically backing up the system or EVERYTHING including apps, music, sms etc? Correct me if I'm wrong but backing up with CWM or TWRP basically means just the system recovery kinda backup right? Like the CD's manufacturers give you when you first purchase a laptop.
Okay so if I'm correct on that, it basically means that if I were to flash a new rom or revert back to my stock rom. I'll lose all the files I've added on to the device aside from the factory starter apps/settings right? If this is the case than I would have to use QCOM Toolkit by mskip or titanium backup to backup all my apps (while i would have to manually backup photos,sms,music,videos etc through just normal USB?) or does our files get transferred over as well? I doubt that since it's basically a new "OS" right?
lol it's pretty cool learning all these new ideas as it'll be beneficial to everyone and myself on how to fully use the android phones. Now say if I want to switch roms with ease, is there such feature?
Last but not least, can all this be done with just the internal memory? I currently don't have any micro sd cards and waiting for the price drop on the 64gb sandisk because I have a huge playlist of FLAC files to add (living in Canada sometimes suck... all the good deals especially free shipping is in the usa lol..)
Thanks again xda-community
Intercrew said:
Hey guys, now that we can backup our IMEI (Thanks to peoplearmy and geek!) I feel like flashing roms like a mad man. But before I start I was wondering if theres any differences between the CWM and TWRP? I want to be able to backup my current stock state and flash new roms.
Still new and it's taking a bit of time learning the vast ocean of android modding/development. When I hear people saying backup your stock rom before flashing, does this mean basically backing up the system or EVERYTHING including apps, music, sms etc? Correct me if I'm wrong but backing up with CWM or TWRP basically means just the system recovery kinda backup right? Like the CD's manufacturers give you when you first purchase a laptop.
Okay so if I'm correct on that, it basically means that if I were to flash a new rom or revert back to my stock rom. I'll lose all the files I've added on to the device aside from the factory starter apps/settings right? If this is the case than I would have to use QCOM Toolkit by mskip or titanium backup to backup all my apps (while i would have to manually backup photos,sms,music,videos etc through just normal USB?) or does our files get transferred over as well? I doubt that since it's basically a new "OS" right?
lol it's pretty cool learning all these new ideas as it'll be beneficial to everyone and myself on how to fully use the android phones. Now say if I want to switch roms with ease, is there such feature?
Last but not least, can all this be done with just the internal memory? I currently don't have any micro sd cards and waiting for the price drop on the 64gb sandisk because I have a huge playlist of FLAC files to add (living in Canada sometimes suck... all the good deals especially free shipping is in the usa lol..)
Thanks again xda-community
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The differences in the recoveries that will matter for you, is that you're going to have an SD card in the future, currently only recovery 5.8.4.5 supports SD card in FAT32 format, later version recoveries don't have extSD support, the 5.8.4.5 images and zips are HERE
So after you've followed the root no-trip counter method, which is what is recommended, you can flash a different recovery from that thread, or just download the zip of the one you want, the recovery is inside the zip and can be pushed via ADB... refer to mrRobinson's thread for help with all that, and links to images... It'll need a recovery after getting rooted, might as well put the proper one on then...
Performing a backup is done from recovery, do an nandroid backup, it backs up the present state of your phone, so if you restore to it, it will be exactly like it was, when you backed it up...
No need for the toolkit, use Titanium Backup to backup apps or apps data if you want to restore them on a new ROM, and it's only recommended to back up USER apps and data, nothing system related, it will cause issues... The paid version is highly recommended if you're going to be relying on backups of your apps and such... I personally don't use it...
Without the SD, yea you'll be using internal memory... and it'll fill up quick with nandroids and ROMs... I never made an nandroid for my phone, but im sure its well over a gig in size...
B-Naughty said:
Without the SD, yea you'll be using internal memory... and it'll fill up quick with nandroids and ROMs... I never made an nandroid for my phone, but im sure its well over a gig in size...
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You are correct. Its quite a large file. Around 1.6GB
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B-Naughty said:
The differences in the recoveries that will matter for you, is that you're going to have an SD card in the future, currently only recovery 5.8.4.5 supports SD card in FAT32 format, later version recoveries don't have extSD support, the 5.8.4.5 images and zips are HERE
So after you've followed the root no-trip counter method, which is what is recommended, you can flash a different recovery from that thread, or just download the zip of the one you want, the recovery is inside the zip and can be pushed via ADB... refer to mrRobinson's thread for help with all that, and links to images... It'll need a recovery after getting rooted, might as well put the proper one on then...
Performing a backup is done from recovery, do an nandroid backup, it backs up the present state of your phone, so if you restore to it, it will be exactly like it was, when you backed it up...
No need for the toolkit, use Titanium Backup to backup apps or apps data if you want to restore them on a new ROM, and it's only recommended to back up USER apps and data, nothing system related, it will cause issues... The paid version is highly recommended if you're going to be relying on backups of your apps and such... I personally don't use it...
Without the SD, yea you'll be using internal memory... and it'll fill up quick with nandroids and ROMs... I never made an nandroid for my phone, but im sure its well over a gig in size...
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Is there a specific reason why the toolkit isn't recommended? Wouldn't it be easier to just backup all the stuff to the pc?
Now if I can backup all the nandroid, ROMs, and app&data through to the pc. Then titanium wouldn't be needed and the differences between the TWRP and CWM would be non? And is it okay to have the nandroid and ROM backup on the computer and not the device or sd card, or is it a good idea to keep it on the deivce/sdcard? If thats the case I will go with the link you gave me which is 5.8.4.5 CWM, (not sure the difference between the Touch and just normal, and which one I should downloaded out of the three (I own the Telus which should be equivalent to the AT&T))
Lastly, you mentioned if I wanted a different recovery I would go and flash the one in Robinson's thread (which i did on my last root but un-rooted and went to factory after having some issues with the homescreen). The ones in his thread aren't SD-card compatibility are they? or Are they?
Intercrew said:
Is there a specific reason why the toolkit isn't recommended? Wouldn't it be easier to just backup all the stuff to the pc?
Now if I can backup all the nandroid, ROMs, and app&data through to the pc. Then titanium wouldn't be needed and the differences between the TWRP and CWM would be non? And is it okay to have the nandroid and ROM backup on the computer and not the device or sd card, or is it a good idea to keep it on the deivce/sdcard? If thats the case I will go with the link you gave me which is 5.8.4.5 CWM, (not sure the difference between the Touch and just normal, and which one I should downloaded out of the three (I own the Telus which should be equivalent to the AT&T))
Lastly, you mentioned if I wanted a different recovery I would go and flash the one in Robinson's thread (which i did on my last root but un-rooted and went to factory after having some issues with the homescreen). The ones in his thread aren't SD-card compatibility are they? or Are they?
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Just follow his steps to get it rooted and install a recovery, his thread is using a 5.8.4.5 version, you'll be fine with the SD card... keep at least one working nandroid on you device... and it's not that toolkit isn't recommended, it's highly useful, but to me thats one extra time you're hooking your phone to computer, doing something... just make sure it isn't backing up / restoring system apps, and only user apps... If you just want to feel safer and stuff, use to toolkit to back up what you'd like, and keep a working nandroid on your phone... It's all user preference, I never back anything up... some people back up everything they possibly can...
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Just follow his steps to get it rooted and install a recovery, his thread is using a 5.8.4.5 version, you'll be fine with the SD card... keep at least one working nandroid on you device... and it's not that toolkit isn't recommended, it's highly useful, but to me thats one extra time you're hooking your phone to computer, doing something... just make sure it isn't backing up / restoring system apps, and only user apps... If you just want to feel safer and stuff, use to toolkit to back up what you'd like, and keep a working nandroid on your phone... It's all user preference, I never back anything up... some people back up everything they possibly can...
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lol okay thanks a lot mate
I just have one last concern is it a good idea to make a nandroid backup while your in a different ROM from stock? Like for example if I downloaded some apps, got new sms, new settings etc and wanted it to maintain even though I switched ROMs or go back to stock, everything would transfer over but the ROM that I was in before (Kyan in this case) would also transfer so stuff like (apps) gallery, google chrome, google music, and other things that were special to the custom ROM?
If this is true, I guess the best thing to do is make a backup before switching ROM's than make separate backups of all the apps+data, sms etc before switching to either a stock or another custom ROM?
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I just have one last concern is it a good idea to make a nandroid backup while your in a different ROM from stock? Like for example if I downloaded some apps, got new sms, new settings etc and wanted it to maintain even though I switched ROMs or go back to stock, everything would transfer over but the ROM that I was in before (Kyan in this case) would also transfer so stuff like (apps) gallery, google chrome, google music, and other things that were special to the custom ROM?
If this is true, I guess the best thing to do is make a backup before switching ROM's than make separate backups of all the apps+data, sms etc before switching to either a stock or another custom ROM?
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All ROM devs recommend that you make an nandroid before flashing their ROM just in case you need it... Most people made one on stock, and everytime before they flash something else... Like I said, I never make one, if I have issues I'll fix it some other way... and the backup will restore EVERYTHING back to exactly as it was when you made it... which is also why you don't need to backup apps with toolkit, etc... just make nandroids, and use TiBu for other stuff...
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All ROM devs recommend that you make an nandroid before flashing their ROM just in case you need it... Most people made one on stock, and everytime before they flash something else... Like I said, I never make one, if I have issues I'll fix it some other way... and the backup will restore EVERYTHING back to exactly as it was when you made it... which is also why you don't need to backup apps with toolkit, etc... just make nandroids, and use TiBu for other stuff...
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Yes I know that, but what I mean is, is it okay to make a nandroid backup while your on a different ROM, and once you switch ROM is it safe to restore the nandroid you made backup of while in a different ROM?
Cause like you said and other the nandroid backups EVERYTHING to exactly how it was before. So that means the stuff that weren't or were in different ROMS will appear/disappear in the other ROM's I'm using?
EDIT: I'm just curious weather or not if I have to reinstall all the new apps i've downloaded and sms backup while in a different ROM to prepare myself for the reset on the new ROM
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Yes I know that, but what I mean is, is it okay to make a nandroid backup while your on a different ROM, and once you switch ROM is it safe to restore the nandroid you made backup of while in a different ROM?
Cause like you said and other the nandroid backups EVERYTHING to exactly how it was before. So that means the stuff that weren't or were in different ROMS will appear/disappear in the other ROM's I'm using?
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No don't restore the nandroid unless you want to go back, or something has gone wrong and you have to... If you want to backup your apps and app data use Titanium Backup...
B-Naughty said:
No don't restore the nandroid unless you want to go back, or something has gone wrong and you have to... If you want to backup your apps and app data use Titanium Backup...
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thank you lol
I just wanted to chime in and say thanks for the educational read. It's nice to see well articulated thoughts exchanged (with correct spelling might I add).
Cheers
Be careful as telus is NOT exactly the same as at&t. I'm rogers and although yes we have to use the at&t forum 747 and our 747m phones do have a few key differences so be careful. The cwm recovery is actually an older version that works for us as we can't install the newest version. And our modem or broadband is DIFFETENT then at&T's so that has to be remembered when flashing roms and mod'ing. Just some advise to remember with our Canadian variants.
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pchemerys said:
Be careful as telus is NOT exactly the same as at&t. I'm rogers and although yes we have to use the at&t forum 747 and our 747m phones do have a few key differences so be careful. The cwm recovery is actually an older version that works for us as we can't install the newest version. And our modem or broadband is DIFFETENT then at&T's so that has to be remembered when flashing roms and mod'ing. Just some advise to remember with our Canadian variants.
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Wow... I undertsood what you were saying... but then i dismissed it as drunken typing with nothing that makes sense... I understood you..
CWM 5.8.4.5 supports extSD
Modem doesn't have to be changed, so it has nothing to do with it...
Just out of curiousity for those using CWM:
Does your nandroid backup have incorrect date stamps?
Mine says my phone was backup in the 1970s
Sort if this is a dumb question but why cant we use the newest version?
Sent from my A501
twanskys204 said:
Sort if this is a dumb question but why cant we use the newest version?
Sent from my A501
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You can use newest version if you want, but only 5.8.4.5 supports extSD :good:
B-Naughty said:
You can use newest version if you want, but only 5.8.4.5 supports extSD :good:
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Are u sure the newest cwm works on the 747m variant? I was informed ( on several posts) that it doesn't and will cause problems and a few have posted them. Keep in mind this is the Canadian version not at&t. Even in the root sticky for this747m device it talks about this and why it gives the install instructions for the earlier version for our devices. Sure I could be wrong but there is plenty on this site to support what I'm saying.
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Wow... I undertsood what you were saying... but then i dismissed it as drunken typing with nothing that makes sense... I understood you..
CWM 5.8.4.5 supports extSD
Modem doesn't have to be changed, so it has nothing to do with it...
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Lol..I now get why u were saying this...I apologize cuz I just realized that i was talking about the modems in this thread and that was an accident...when I was replying here I had a lot of reply windows open and got mixed up..(I'm not a drinker btw so no drunken typing btw) ..but just as a very general point it still applies..be careful with "some at&t roms" as there are some differences that could cause issues...that's all..but as for cwm rec..its all good and I will have to look into this again about the latest versions because I was under the impression from some here that it is not advised...maybe wrongly. Thanks and I'll check it out.
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Are u sure the newest cwm works on the 747m variant? I was informed ( on several posts) that it doesn't and will cause problems and a few have posted them. Keep in mind this is the Canadian version not at&t. Even in the root sticky for this747m device it talks about this and why it gives the install instructions for the earlier version for our devices. Sure I could be wrong but there is plenty on this site to support what I'm saying.
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Lol..I now get why u were saying this...I apologize cuz I just realized that i was talking about the modems in this thread and that was an accident...when I was replying here I had a lot of reply windows open and got mixed up..(I'm not a drinker btw so no drunken typing btw) ..but just as a very general point it still applies..be careful with "some at&t roms" as there are some differences that could cause issues...that's all..but as for cwm rec..its all good and I will have to look into this again about the latest versions because I was under the impression from some here that it is not advised...maybe wrongly. Thanks and I'll check it out.
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Well I can't confirm whether it will work flawlessly like on an AT&T phone, or will it produce assert errors, because I don't have a Canadian variant... and mostly because I don't come into the Q/A forum very often, and read the threads... I'll just check to see if it's swamped the I'll help out...but the fact still remains that only 5.8.4.5 supports extSD.... Try one of these CWM recoveries, flash it in your current recovery... Worst that will happen is that you'll be changing recoveries again, if it throws script / assert errors...
Possibly someone with an I747M can chime in about which 5.8.4.5 to use for extSD support...
Hello again.
Since I am under 10 posts and not allowed to participate in the relevant thread plus searching didn't yield any results I am posting here.
After one month of using my nexus I want to play with it and try some custom things that all people talk so much about.Fact is I first want to backup current state where everything works fine in case something goes wrong.
I 've already backed up my apps and their data with Titanium Backup.
Now I need current OS state bootloader, etc.Am I right to believe this is the NANDROID backup? Is this the backup that can bring the phone back to its current state?
Second thing is that the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit v7.8.0 I am using recommends backing up the EFS partition.Did some research that revealed this hidden partition is about the IMEI - I can't understand how such a valuable data isn't hardcoded inside the phone.But nevertheless I would like to know where are those backups (NANDROID and ESF partition) stored (already checked backups folder in toolkit).
My phone's current state is: unlocked bootloader, CWM recovery, rooted and on stock 4.1.1.No mods or any other custom file.
Another question regarding the CWM recovery.How is it possible to go back to the stock recovery? By flashing the stock ROM?
Also from GN Toolkit I flashed CWM Touch but after trying an update through CWM ROM Manager I got the manual version (both 6.0.1).Can I reflash the touch version from Toolkit?
Sorry if some of those questions sound silly but I am new in Android and prefer the safe path.
Thank you in advance.
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Hello again.
Since I am under 10 posts and not allowed to participate in the relevant thread plus searching didn't yield any results I am posting here.
After one month of using my nexus I want to play with it and try some custom things that all people talk so much about.Fact is I first want to backup current state where everything works fine in case something goes wrong.
I 've already backed up my apps and their data with Titanium Backup.
Now I need current OS state bootloader, etc.Am I right to believe this is the NANDROID backup? Is this the backup that can bring the phone back to its current state?
Second thing is that the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit v7.8.0 I am using recommends backing up the EFS partition.Did some research that revealed this hidden partition is about the IMEI - I can't understand how such a valuable data isn't hardcoded inside the phone.But nevertheless I would like to know where are those backups (NANDROID and ESF partition) stored (already checked backups folder in toolkit).
My phone's current state is: unlocked bootloader, CWM recovery, rooted and on stock 4.1.1.No mods or any other custom file.
Another question regarding the CWM recovery.How is it possible to go back to the stock recovery? By flashing the stock ROM?
Also from GN Toolkit I flashed CWM Touch but after trying an update through CWM ROM Manager I got the manual version (both 6.0.1).Can I reflash the touch version from Toolkit?
Sorry if some of those questions sound silly but I am new in Android and prefer the safe path.
Thank you in advance.
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toolkit is not a safe path for you.
read these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812959
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1626895
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420351
learn how to troubleshoot and search, you'll be a whole lot happier. don't use toolkits.
TR-909 said:
Now I need current OS state bootloader, etc.Am I right to believe this is the NANDROID backup? Is this the backup that can bring the phone back to its current state?
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nandroid doesn't backup the bootloader. if you ever need to go back to a specific bootloader version (which you won't), it is available online.
bk201doesntexist said:
toolkit is not a safe path for you.
read these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812959
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1626895
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420351
learn how to troubleshoot and search, you'll be a whole lot happier. don't use toolkits.
nandroid doesn't backup the bootloader. if you ever need to go back to a specific bootloader version (which you won't), it is available online.
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That's a lot of reading.
Anyway thanks for pointing me to those threads (I don't mind reading hehe) but still I don't understand why toolkit is so bad.In my view the toolkit just automates a set of commands which otherwise I would have to give through a command prompt.Only good thing I can find avoiding a toolkit, is getting a deeper knowledge on the subject but maybe the risks of doing something wrong are increased (say a typo)?
Anyway let me read those and I may be back.
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That's a lot of reading.
Anyway thanks for pointing me to those threads (I don't mind reading hehe) but still I don't understand why toolkit is so bad.In my view the toolkit just automates a set of commands which otherwise I would have to give through a command prompt.Only good thing I can find avoiding a toolkit, is getting a deeper knowledge on the subject but maybe the risks of doing something wrong are increased (say a typo)?
Anyway let me read those and I may be back.
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Toolkit is a automated set of other people's command, programme are coded by humans and human errors are bound to happen, not to mention if something went wrong somewhere, you won't know what went wrong. By doing the steps yourself, you will know exactly what went wrong, and it will simplify things should you have to ask questions here, which you most likely don't have to once you know how to use adb and fastboot, trust me.
Typos while doing your commands won't hurt because it simply will fail and not do anything. Immediately you will know you typed something incorrectly and know you have to do it again. With the kit you will not know at which step it failed so figuring out something will become a task. Doing it yourself sounds like it's longer and difficult but once you do it you will see how easy and simple it is plus you will understand what you did and why.
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus
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Now I need current OS state bootloader, etc.Am I right to believe this is the NANDROID backup? Is this the backup that can bring the phone back to its current state?
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Yes and yes.
TR-909 said:
Second thing is that the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit v7.8.0 I am using recommends backing up the EFS partition.Did some research that revealed this hidden partition is about the IMEI - I can't understand how such a valuable data isn't hardcoded inside the phone.But nevertheless I would like to know where are those backups (NANDROID and ESF partition) stored (already checked backups folder in toolkit).
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I won't comment on the toolkit, but nandroid backups are stored in /sdcard/clockworkmod/backup/ on your device.
As for the efs partition, you could back it up, but I don't really see what the necessity of it is. That partition is never written to by any ROM (stock or otherwise), so the only way it will get messed up is if you do something to it.
If you want to back it up on your device, just open a terminal window and type:
su
dd if=/dev/block/platform/omap/omap_hsmmc.0/by-name/efs of=/sdcard/efs.img
That will store it in /sdcard, and then just copy it off your device.
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Another question regarding the CWM recovery.How is it possible to go back to the stock recovery? By flashing the stock ROM?
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Just pull the recovery.img file out of the version of the stock factory image that you are currently using, place it in the same directory where you have your fastboot.exe file, reboot your device into fastboot mode and type:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
Or, just save it to /sdcard on your device and type the following in a terminal:
su
dd if=/sdcard/recovery.img of=/dev/block/platform/omap/omap_hsmmc.0/by-name/recovery
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Also from GN Toolkit I flashed CWM Touch but after trying an update through CWM ROM Manager I got the manual version (both 6.0.1).Can I reflash the touch version from Toolkit?
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Can't help you out with any toolkit, sorry.
Hello efrant.
Seems you are the n00bs hero in here! I was reading your FAQ and threw some basic ADB commands through cmd to see how it feels ,lol.
Well reading made some good, I backed up through CWM but the backup size baffles me - only 21.4MB in total.Is this normal?
Also took a fresh backup with Titanium for all apps and data - this is a lot bigger 728MB in total.Still Storage (in Settings) reports that applications and their data hold 3.54GB.Is there some kind of ultra compression involved?
As for the stock bootloader I found that image (recovery-stock-jro03c-maguro) which I think is for my GN (GSM).I am asking in case something bad happens and go for a warranty claim.In that case I believe I 'll need to flash the stock bootloader, stock ROM and finally lock the bootloader.
As for the EFS partition is it impossible to be harmed? Say File System corruption, sdcard bad blocks, etc?
It's ok.I clearly understand your position on the toolkit and any similar programms out there.It's just they are so "convenient" and "time savers".Still you 're all right that most of the time you do not understand what you are doing when using toolkits.
Thanks to all of you for your great help. :good:
PS - to test my progress I am going to flash stock recovery through flashboot.I just hope I won't mess it up. :fingers-crossed:
To clear a few things:
TR-909 said:
As for the stock bootloader I found that image (recovery-stock-jro03c-maguro) which I think is for my GN (GSM).I am asking in case something bad happens and go for a warranty claim.In that case I believe I 'll need to flash the stock bootloader, stock ROM and finally lock the bootloader.
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we don't have any custom bootloaders, as of yet.
TR-909 said:
As for the EFS partition is it impossible to be harmed? Say File System corruption, sdcard bad blocks, etc?
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not impossible, but many many users never had any issues. to be on the safe side, back it up.
TR-909 said:
It's ok.I clearly understand your position on the toolkit and any similar programms out there.It's just they are so "convenient" and "time savers".Still you 're all right that most of the time you do not understand what you are doing when using toolkits.
Thanks to all of you for your great help. :good:
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glad you understand. just because something is convenient doesn't mean that it's the best for you.
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PS - to test my progress I am going to flash stock recovery through flashboot.I just hope I won't mess it up. :fingers-crossed:
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easy. you can't fail with fastboot. like said before, if you type it wrong, it won't go through. :good:
'fastboot flash recovery recovery.img'
done.
Regarding the nandroid, copy off the whole clockworkmod folder.
Will the next nexus have a longer screen?
@bk201doesntexist: yes you 're right I was reffering to the stock recovery image.Thanks for correcting me
@Mach3.2: I 've read just the backup folder is needed (the one with the date and time).
For the sake of learning, I started in ADB then:
adb devices : to check I am online
adb reboot-bootloader: to get into fastboot
fastboot devices: check again status
and then
fastboot recovery recovery-CWM-touch-6.0.1-maguro
blah...
blah...
blah...
Finished and voila CWM touch recovery installed. :victory:
I am going to try with stock recovery but I am trying to find an official source to download it (if any).
EDIT: I see the only way to find the original recovery img is to extract it from the official ROM.So I am downloading from Google a .tgz and will continue from there.
Any comments for my backup sizes?
Now with my backups in hand what is the possible way to verify them? In theory with nandroid (from CWM recovery) and Titanium, I can restore phone in today's state.Right or wrong?
I am thinking of going a bit further flashing the stock ROM again (wiping everything) and then recovering from the backup archives as my next learning exercise.I should obviously backup photos, music, etc but I was wondering if SMS history is taken care by Nandroid or have to use a seperate application.Contacts are in google's server so np on that.
Thanks again.
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Well reading made some good, I backed up through CWM but the backup size baffles me - only 21.4MB in total.Is this normal?
Also took a fresh backup with Titanium for all apps and data - this is a lot bigger 728MB in total.Still Storage (in Settings) reports that applications and their data hold 3.54GB.Is there some kind of ultra compression involved?
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If you are using the 6-series CWM, it does backups a little differently (incrementally), and stores the backup in two locations in /sdcard/clockworkmod. I personally use 5.5.0.2, which does a full backup and stores it in one location.
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As for the stock bootloader I found that image (recovery-stock-jro03c-maguro) which I think is for my GN (GSM).I am asking in case something bad happens and go for a warranty claim.In that case I believe I 'll need to flash the stock bootloader, stock ROM and finally lock the bootloader.
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As was mentioned above, all bootloaders available are stock bootloaders. A list can be found in the bootloader thread (link in my signature).
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As for the EFS partition is it impossible to be harmed? Say File System corruption, sdcard bad blocks, etc?
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But if you have bad blocks in the efs partition, you would probably need to get a new device, at which point you have no need for the backup, no? But I guess yes, better safe than sorry.
TR-909 said:
In theory with nandroid (from CWM recovery) and Titanium, I can restore phone in today's state.Right or wrong?
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With a nandroid alone you can return to today's state.
TR-909 said:
I am thinking of going a bit further flashing the stock ROM again (wiping everything) and then recovering from the backup archives as my next learning exercise.I should obviously backup photos, music, etc but I was wondering if SMS history is taken care by Nandroid or have to use a seperate application.Contacts are in google's server so np on that.
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Wiping from CWM does not wipe the data you have on /sdcard, so no need to backup photos, music, etc.
SMS will get wiped, but both Titanium and a nandroid will back them up. However, you can use a third-party app (there are many of them) to do it as well, which is simpler actually.
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@bk201doesntexist: yes you 're right I was reffering to the stock recovery image.Thanks for correcting me
@Mach3.2: I 've read just the backup folder is needed (the one with the date and time).
For the sake of learning, I started in ADB then:
adb devices : to check I am online
adb reboot-bootloader: to get into fastboot
fastboot devices: check again status
and then
fastboot recovery recovery-CWM-touch-6.0.1-maguro
blah...
blah...
blah...
Finished and voila CWM touch recovery installed. :victory:
I am going to try with stock recovery but I am trying to find an official source to download it (if any).
EDIT: I see the only way to find the original recovery img is to extract it from the official ROM.So I am downloading from Google a .tgz and will continue from there.
Any comments for my backup sizes?
Now with my backups in hand what is the possible way to verify them? In theory with nandroid (from CWM recovery) and Titanium, I can restore phone in today's state.Right or wrong?
I am thinking of going a bit further flashing the stock ROM again (wiping everything) and then recovering from the backup archives as my next learning exercise.I should obviously backup photos, music, etc but I was wondering if SMS history is taken care by Nandroid or have to use a seperate application.Contacts are in google's server so np on that.
Thanks again.
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The backup is just a shell, it's backed up in blobs, so you will need to copy the whole thing off.
You 're both right that in that the CWM recovery "image" is incremental and the base backup is the blops folder - now the total size is 1.75GB which is logical.
@efrant: thanks for clarifying on backup now it all starts making sense.I 've read Titanium Backup can pull individual files (may I call it selective restore) from a Nandroid backup, say a single app and its data.If that is so then the Titanium Backup could be used as a reserve app and that could save me some precious space.
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SMS will get wiped, but both Titanium and a nandroid will back them up. However, you can use a third-party app (there are many of them) to do it as well, which is simpler actually.
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I prefer to use less apps for doing the job so if Nandroid has the data it is fine with me.I hope it isn't that complicated to pull the data out.
@Mach3.2: You were right, my bad.The article I read was about CWM recovery 5.5.0.2 so now I copied the whole thing on PC. :good:
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I prefer to use less apps for doing the job so if Nandroid has the data it is fine with me.I hope it isn't that complicated to pull the data out.
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The issue is that SMS's are stored as data for a specific system app (I can't remember which one at the moment). If you change ROMs, it is generally not a good idea to restore system apps or system app data via Titanium Backup, as those apps/data could cause some instability. You may get lucky, you may not.
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The issue is that SMS's are stored as data for a specific system app (I can't remember which one at the moment). If you change ROMs, it is generally not a good idea to restore system apps or system app data via Titanium Backup, as those apps/data could cause some instability. You may get lucky, you may not.
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Point taken.:good:
A bit more on the backup subject...
As I can see CWM recovery backups boot image, recovery image and the /system partition.I also saw in one of efrant's posts about different bootloaders but honestly I fail to comprehend the need for flashing a bootloader.
*In your "convert to latest yakju" post you recommend flashing it "5) Optional (NOT optional for n00bs) -- Flash the bootloader: fastboot flash bootloader bootloader-maguro-primela03.img (or whatever the name of the bootloader image that you downloaded)."
** Also the radio partition is a mystery so far.And I 've read a lot of guys talking of better connectivity (be it GSM, 3G, WiFi) through flashing custom (?) radio images.On list to be explored...
The recovery image is pretty straight and the system partition is the one with the OS - now all this can't be 1.7GB unless it backups the userdata partition too.
EDIT: It seems it also backups the data folder (hence the apps) so the size now makes sense.I reverted to 5.5.0.2 because incremental backup is fast and slick but brings two issues: first the "blops structure" gives me problems when I want to transfer those thousands of files via MTP and second it is much more practical when I want to backup completely different "builds" (that is my guess).
Also in between flashing ROMs a standard procedure is recommended about wiping data, clearing dalvik cache, etc
Could you please give me in details the series of tasks needed (or point me to a thread) for properly preparing a custom ROM installation when unlocked and rooted?
About restoration in the "new enviroment" I read this:
"If your bootloader is unlocked: yes, you can root (if you haven't done it already) and use TiB to backup apps + app data. Installing a ROM will not wipe your /sdcard. It's always a good idea to back it up though before a flash. Use TiB to restore apps + appdata to your new ROM. Be careful with system apps and settings, restoring such data can lead to issues."
Am I right in that "illegal" system apps are those painted with red colour in TiB?
Final steps I am going to backup SMS history and find a custom ROM to install.Any ROM recommendations for a "novice user" are welcome...
Off Topic: what would be the adb commands to push/pull folders (or files) from /sdcard to PC (eg. \sdcard\clockworkmod --> C:/Nexus) .Right now I am doing MTP transfers but would prefer the "adb way" if possible.
Thanks a lot for your support and sharing of knowledge!
PS - So much reading!
Wow, that's a lot of questions for one post! I'll try to tackle some of them.
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As I can see CWM recovery backups boot image, recovery image and the /system partition.I also saw in one of efrant's posts about different bootloaders but honestly I fail to comprehend the need for flashing a bootloader.
*In your "convert to latest yakju" post you recommend flashing it "5) Optional (NOT optional for n00bs) -- Flash the bootloader: fastboot flash bootloader bootloader-maguro-primela03.img (or whatever the name of the bootloader image that you downloaded)."
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I don't think anyone knows what changes are in each new bootloader revision (given that they are closed source), but some have had issues with running Jelly Bean on bootloaders older than LA03. I guess "newer is better" holds true in this case.
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** Also the radio partition is a mystery so far.And I 've read a lot of guys talking of better connectivity (be it GSM, 3G, WiFi) through flashing custom (?) radio images.On list to be explored...
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Again, no one know what changes are made in each radio revision. I personally have not noticed much difference among a lot of the radios, but others have said otherwise. (And no, there are no "custom" radios. All radios are stock -- just from different versions of Android. (A list of radios can be found in the radio link in my signature.)
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The recovery image is pretty straight and the system partition is the one with the OS - now all this can't be 1.7GB unless it backups the userdata partition too.
EDIT: It seems it also backups the data folder (hence the apps) so the size now makes sense.
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Yup, it backs up the cache, boot, recovery and system partitions, and everything in /data except /data/media (which is /sdcard).
TR-909 said:
I reverted to 5.5.0.2 because incremental backup is fast and slick but brings two issues: first the "blops structure" gives me problems when I want to transfer those thousands of files via MTP and second it is much more practical when I want to backup completely different "builds" (that is my guess).
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I also like 5.5.0.2. I found it to be the most compatible, i.e., it has no issues flashing anything (that I have tried anyway), whereas other versions have issues with certain things.
And I personally wouldn't use MTP to transfer files -- it is flaky at best. ADB is much more stable.
TR-909 said:
Also in between flashing ROMs a standard procedure is recommended about wiping data, clearing dalvik cache, etc
Could you please give me in details the series of tasks needed (or point me to a thread) for properly preparing a custom ROM installation when unlocked and rooted?
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There is not much to do:
1) Download ROM to /sdcard
2) Reboot into recovery
3) Nandroid
4) Wipe /data and /cache
5) Flash ROM
6) Reboot
TR-909 said:
About restoration in the "new enviroment" I read this:
"If your bootloader is unlocked: yes, you can root (if you haven't done it already) and use TiB to backup apps + app data. Installing a ROM will not wipe your /sdcard. It's always a good idea to back it up though before a flash. Use TiB to restore apps + appdata to your new ROM. Be careful with system apps and settings, restoring such data can lead to issues."
Am I right in that "illegal" system apps are those painted with red colour in TiB?
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I think so. I haven't use TB in a while, so I just checked and it looks like you are correct -- red.
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Off Topic: what would be the adb commands to push/pull folders (or files) from /sdcard to PC (eg. \sdcard\clockworkmod --> C:/Nexus) .Right now I am doing MTP transfers but would prefer the "adb way" if possible.
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Have a read of the "basics" link in my signature. ADB is covered there.
Wow that's some great answers and a big motive for me to continue "digging".:good:
I will leave you in peace for the time being as here it's about to dawn.
Big thanks and have a nice day.
PS - To be continued...
There is a article on the main xda site about running a FTP server on your phone, maybe that will transfer the blobs faster than MTP.
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There is a article on the main xda site about running a FTP server on your phone, maybe that will transfer the blobs faster than MTP.
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Hey mach3.2.
FTP wouldn't help because WLAN (802.11g) can't beat USB 2.0 speeds.In fact it is quite slow for such file sizes.You 're right though in that through ES File Explorer I can send the whole Clockworkmod folder (and the blobs) normally to my PC without the "invisible files" issue I encountered with Windows Explorer and MTP.
Thanks for suggestion!
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Hey mach3.2.
FTP wouldn't help because WLAN (802.11g) can't beat USB 2.0 speeds.In fact it is quite slow for such file sizes.You 're right though in that through ES File Explorer I can send the whole Clockworkmod folder (and the blobs) normally to my PC without the "invisible files" issue I encountered with Windows Explorer and MTP.
Thanks for suggestion!
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With MTP, copying using FTP may just be faster
And just to mention, there's 802.11N on you devices, although it's only single stream w/ 1 antenna..
Hello there,
I googled a lot, I searched a lot here, but I did not find what I searched for.
I am thinking about testing the new Version of Cyanogenmod, the problem is that I in fact never did anything like this.
I want to set back the device to manufactures setting and then backup the original LG Software, so that I can go back to the standard before selling, or if CM isnt quite mine.
Anyone tips or links how to manage that?
Thank a lot before, sorry if this was asked before (I'm pretty shure), I couldn't find.
5MinutesAloneLG
After rooting and unlocking,make sure you place the efs backup somewhere safe. You can also make a nandroid backup and restore it if you don't like cm. or you can use kdz updater to flash stock firmware.
I'm sure you looked all the places,except the FAQ
Okay, this sounds good to me.
Does any of the 3 Methods give me the same way of a full backup from the original software, or is there something else that has to be done?
I searched for the Faqs, but I couldn't find any?
Thanks a lot!
5MinutesAloneLG said:
Does any of the 3 Methods give me the same way of a full backup from the original software, or is there something else that has to be done?
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No, these are different things. EFS backup is to save your butt in case something happens with your IMEI. This is one of the most important things, don't overlook it! Nandroid backup is a "snapshot" of your existing ROM, including all your installed apps and their settings. This is the easiest way to get back to your previous ROM after experimenting with others. And KDZ is not a backup - it's a factory image that will return your phone to the exact same state as it was when brand new.
I searched for the Faqs, but I couldn't find any?
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Look in @kimitza signature. It's his baby. :good:
the nandroid backup is like a restore image for windows. you will have all apps/settings from that time saved. here is a scenario:
1. On clean stock rom,root and unlock(unlock will also flash cwm recovery). Place FREEGEE folder somewhere safe.
2. Enter recovery mode and make a backup.
3. Flash any other rom ...and if you don't like it, restore the backup you made earlier.
4. Restore EFS with freegee.
5. Use Unroot from supersu.
6. Backup all your files(photo and other media to pc) then do a hard reset.
7. You will have a clean stock/official rom,like it came from factory.
All of this can be simplified by backing up your files and use kdz updater,followed by a hard reset. .It takes less time and it's safer.
I rooted it, but I dont have an hint of an idea how to do these efs backup?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38886073&postcount=1&nocache=1&z=7530246020855317
what is to do with that zip? I'm from germany and I have no clue what run in recovery mode should tell me. On the Phone or on the PC?
If unzipped, what is there to do?
As I want to use the cm installer with 10.2 stable, I just want to backup everything important..
Sorry, wrong link, i meant this of course, its allready rooted
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=38438579&postcount=1
Sorry for posting again, but honestly, I'm not allowed to post in the efs thread, so I cant do anything right now.
Im still waiting to flash it.
Anyone should do efs backup, so basicly people should be able to tell me how to do that or?
Please anyone!
When you unlock the bootloader with freegee, it automagically makes a backup of the EFS,amongst other things(like bootloader state,imei,partitions etc). It's enough to place that FREEGEE folder somewhere safe. If you ever run into troubles(like no IMEI shown or you just want to go back to stock without using KDZ updater),just restore with freegee. It will relock you bootloader and restore EFS(with imei).
I made a backup and flashed a custom ROM yesterday. I then restored to the backup. Today I tried a new ROM aosp 4.4, but I didn't backup before flashing the rom, thinking that I still had the backup from yesterday to fall back to, and I didn't really use my phone after restoring yesterday. Now in Rom Manager under "Manage and Restore Backups" It reads "No Backups Found." Am I hosed? Or is there any way to recover my old backup?
All I really want is my numbers I don't think I ever synced to my google account. I also still haven't figured out how to activate the phone in the new rom, but I'm sure I can find that in FAQ
Thanks in advance for your help.
Aosp roms do not have activation settings. Only stock ROMs do. And depending on your recovery, new ones can read your SD after using 4.2+ ROMs, but old ones can't. You still have the backup but since you flashed a 4.4 ROM you now have an 0 directory and the recovery reads that as your main storage. You need to flash a 4.1 ROM or move everything to the 0 folder. Either that or just update your recovery.
-Whiplashh
"I think a ducks opinion of me is heavily influenced by whether I have bread or not."
Whiplashh said:
Aosp roms do not have activation settings. Only stock ROMs do. And depending on your recovery, new ones can read your SD after using 4.2+ ROMs, but old ones can't.
You still have the backup but since you flashed a 4.4 ROM you now have an 0 directory and the recovery reads that as your main storage. You need to flash a 4.1 ROM or move everything to the 0 folder. Either that or just update your recovery.
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Thanks Wiplashh
I am not quite clear on what all of the pieces are.
my Rom Manager shows:
Current Reovery: ClockworkMod 6.0.4.5
Latest Recoery: ClockworkMod 6.0.3.8
ClockworkMod Touch is available!
When I go to Update Recovery it asks if I have installed a ClockworkMod Recovery manually. Do I need to do this?
If I flash a 4.1 rom will my yesterday's backup be available in my rom manager? Is that what you are saying? This is my priority, over my activation.
Thanks,
Marshall
SmashFace said:
Thanks Wiplashh
I am not quite clear on what all of the pieces are.
my Rom Manager shows:
Current Reovery: ClockworkMod 6.0.4.5
Latest Recoery: ClockworkMod 6.0.3.8
ClockworkMod Touch is available!
When I go to Update Recovery it asks if I have installed a ClockworkMod Recovery manually. Do I need to do this?
If I flash a 4.1 rom will my yesterday's backup be available in my rom manager? Is that what you are saying? This is my priority, over my activation.
Thanks,
Marshall
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I'm not very familiar with Rom Manager but from the current recovery/latest recovery you posted it seems that the latest recovery according to rom manager is 6.0.3.8, but you have a newer version than that currently installed. I think that's why it's asking if you did it manually. Your current backup should be located at /data/media/clockworkmod. You want to copy that to data/media/0/clockworkmod. Use a root file explorer of your choosing to navigate to where your old backup is, copy it and move it that location and it should pop up. Most file managers open to internal storage(which is currently your 0 folder) by default, just go to the root of your file system and you will see the /data/ folder Im talking about. Hope this helps!
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Thanks Wiplashh
I am not quite clear on what all of the pieces are.
my Rom Manager shows:
Current Reovery: ClockworkMod 6.0.4.5
Latest Recoery: ClockworkMod 6.0.3.8
ClockworkMod Touch is available!
When I go to Update Recovery it asks if I have installed a ClockworkMod Recovery manually. Do I need to do this?
If I flash a 4.1 rom will my yesterday's backup be available in my rom manager? Is that what you are saying? This is my priority, over my activation.
Thanks,
Marshall
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With that recovery, It should still read it unless you moved it / renamed it from data/media/clockworkmod.
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I'm not very familiar with Rom Manager but from the current recovery/latest recovery you posted it seems that the latest recovery according to rom manager is 6.0.3.8, but you have a newer version than that currently installed. I think that's why it's asking if you did it manually. Your current backup should be located at /data/media/clockworkmod. You want to copy that to data/media/0/clockworkmod. Use a root file explorer of your choosing to navigate to where your old backup is, copy it and move it that location and it should pop up. Most file managers open to internal storage(which is currently your 0 folder) by default, just go to the root of your file system and you will see the /data/ folder Im talking about. Hope this helps!
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This^
still stuck
Whiplashh said:
With that recovery, It should still read it unless you moved it / renamed it from data/media/clockworkmod.
This^
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Thanks for all the help.
When I install a root file manager from the web it doesn't show-up on my phone. This is the case for any apps I try to install. For this reason, I am using my PC to browse the files.
My internal storage has no "data" directory. It has a "clockworkmod" directory and a "0" directory, and also a "0/clockworkmod".
The images I found that I believe are my backup were located in my Freegee directory. When I copy them to 0/clockworkmod they don't show up when I try to restore from Rom Manager.
Any thoughts?
I'm experiencing a similar issue using the mako CWM from freegee. In addition to not seeing my backups, my storage is being devoured by an "emulated 0/ legacy folder". Is this safe to delete?
Also, it seems the recovery is reading from device/data/media/cwm and not from storage 0 or storage/emulated 0. I actually copied a backup to device/data/media in order to flash it.
I guess what I need is info on what I can safely do in file explorer to get back on track.
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Thanks for all the help.
When I install a root file manager from the web it doesn't show-up on my phone. This is the case for any apps I try to install. For this reason, I am using my PC to browse the files.
My internal storage has no "data" directory. It has a "clockworkmod" directory and a "0" directory, and also a "0/clockworkmod".
The images I found that I believe are my backup were located in my Freegee directory. When I copy them to 0/clockworkmod they don't show up when I try to restore from Rom Manager.
Any thoughts?
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Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Are you still using AOSP 4.4? Did you flash Gapps? Just wondering why you are installing from the web instead of the play store(maybe you just meant play store when you said web). Since you are browsing files from your pc Internal Storage IS /data/media. If you were using a file manager with root on your phone you would be able to see files that don't normally show up on your computer. Thats the system root directory. But the important part is that /data/media=internal storage, you simply can't see it that way from a pc(at least I can't). If you can see the clockwordmod directory, copy that to 0 so that it replaces 0/clockworkmod and then try to restore your backup. That is the way it should be but I advise checking to see which one of those folders has something in it, and copying it to the empty one. Essentially ONE of the clockworkmod folders should have files, and one shouldn't. If BOTH folders are empty, I don't think you have a cwm backup......
Freegee automatically makes a backup when you run it, but was that your only backup? Again I don't use Rom Manager, but my understanding is if you make a backup with it, it would be in your clockworkmod folder. I wouldn't think it would be in the FreeGee folder. New FreeGee may be different(I know it was recently completely overhauled) but the version I had made backups of very important things but did not automatically make a cwm or twrp backup. Custom recoveries backup your data and system, FreeGee backed up your boot, sbl's, recovery, etc.
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eye_p said:
I'm experiencing a similar issue using the mako CWM from freegee. In addition to not seeing my backups, my storage is being devoured by an "emulated 0/ legacy folder". Is this safe to delete?
Also, it seems the recovery is reading from device/data/media/cwm and not from storage 0 or storage/emulated 0. I actually copied a backup to device/data/media in order to flash it.
I guess what I need is info on what I can safely do in file explorer to get back on track.
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I'm not sure about the emulated 0/legacy folder. What's in it? I just need a bit more info! You said you copied a backup to flash it. I'm assuming it failed? Are you also running AOSP 4.4 or another rom? For me it works like this. If I'm on lg stock or stock based roms my backups are in /data/media/cwm or /data/media/twrp depending on what recovery I am using. If I'm on something like CM or Omni, Carbon, etc it creates a 0 folder located in /data/media and uses that as the sdcard/internal storage. Once that happens that is what the recovery reads from. But are you saying the opposite happened?
Exactly! With the CWM in
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Forgive me. I hit submit by mistake.
What's happening in my case using the CWM is the backups are being saved to the storage 0 folder however, the recovery is reading the device/data/media folder when flashing. I'm running 201211 cm 11 with Banks standard gapps. I came from completely stock/rooted/unlocked zvc. I attempted to use the TWRP mako in freegee but when flash failed I tried the CWM mako and was successful.
As far as the emulated O/legacy its identical to storage 0.
I hope that's enough background. And thanks for your response.
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To clarify further coming from stock I got a failed flash for cm 11 using twrp. I then DL cwm from freegee and wiped all partitions except internal storage, flashed cm 11 and gapps with cwm and was successful except I had no service. In looking for my efs backup I discovered the emulated 0 folder(( storage0/emulated0/freegee/backup)) I moved the efs backup to the root of storage0 but cwm didn't list it. I made a note of what I was able to see in cwm which led me to device/data/media/cwm. I copied the efs to said folder and was then able to view and flash successfully with cwm. I hope that's clearer.
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Exactly! With the CWM in
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Forgive me. I hit submit by mistake.
What's happening in my case using the CWM is the backups are being saved to the storage 0 folder however, the recovery is reading the device/data/media folder when flashing. I'm running 201211 cm 11 with Banks standard gapps. I came from completely stock/rooted/unlocked zvc. I attempted to use the TWRP mako in freegee but when flash failed I tried the CWM mako and was successful.
As far as the emulated O/legacy its identical to storage 0.
I hope that's enough background. And thanks for your response.
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Lol it's ok, for a second I was confused. When you say you wanna get back on track, what exactly do you want to do? Are you trying to restore your stock backup to clean up and do a clean install of something else? Or are you just trying to restore a backup? And when you say flash failed for TWRP, do you mean installing twrp or flashing cm11 with twrp? CWM is definitely what you needed for that, but if you had twrp first, and made backups with it, they obviously wouldnt work with CWM. If your backups were all made with CWM, just copy the backups to the directory its reading from and it should pop up.
My best advice would be to do a fresh start. Restore your stock backup(hopefully you made one) and then once you are booted back into it, delete the 0 folders. If you see your backups in recovery but restoring them gives you a failed error, I don't know what to tell you there.
And no problem, I ask a lot of questions because the clearer we are with one another, the better I can help!
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eye_p said:
Exactly! With the CWM in
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Forgive me. I hit submit by mistake.
What's happening in my case using the CWM is the backups are being saved to the storage 0 folder however, the recovery is reading the device/data/media folder when flashing. I'm running 201211 cm 11 with Banks standard gapps. I came from completely stock/rooted/unlocked zvc. I attempted to use the TWRP mako in freegee but when flash failed I tried the CWM mako and was successful.
As far as the emulated O/legacy its identical to storage 0.
I hope that's enough background. And thanks for your response.
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To clarify further coming from stock I got a failed flash for cm 11 using twrp. I then DL cwm from freegee and wiped all partitions except internal storage, flashed cm 11 and gapps with cwm and was successful except I had no service. In looking for my efs backup I discovered the emulated 0 folder(( storage0/emulated0/freegee/backup)) I moved the efs backup to the root of storage0 but cwm didn't list it. I made a note of what I was able to see in cwm which led me to device/data/media/cwm. I copied the efs to said folder and was then able to view and flash successfully with cwm. I hope that's clearer.
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Oh ok sorry I didnt see the last reply. Can you tell me what was in the freegee/backup folder? I think the new freegee is pretty different....my version of freegee backed up efs, but they were named differently if I backed them up with twrp.
But the fact remains that if your stock backup was twrp, you cant restore that with cwm. If you want to go back to stock to start over, you have to flash twrp again.
And are you also using rom manager or doing this manually?
Lol! I'm willing to answer all questions that lead to good answers.
I flashed TWRP with no problem. Using twrp i made a backup and flashed cm11 but failed. I then rebooted system opened freegee and got the cwm mako, did another backup, rewiped, and flashed cm 11 and gapps successfully. When I booted into system I had no service and went to flash the efs backup I made which is what sent me on my goose chase. Hahaha!
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eye_p said:
Lol! I'm willing to answer all questions that lead to good answers.
I flashed TWRP with no problem. Using twrp i made a backup and flashed cm11 but failed. I then rebooted system opened freegee and got the cwm mako, did another backup, rewiped, and flashed cm 11 and gapps successfully. When I booted into system I had no service and went to flash the efs backup I made which is what sent me on my goose chase. Hahaha!
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Yeah a lot of people failed flashing cm11 with TWRP. What did you back up efs with, freegee? The only recovery Ive used that showed EFS as a backup option was TWRP 2.5.0.0. Newer TWRP didnt for me(but that may not have been the twrp from this version of FreeGee). I've only used CWM once on this phone to try cm11, but I flashed back to TWRP and my daily driver backup.
As far as the freegee/backup folder it contains the efs backups I made with twrp and cwm as well as the twrp and cwm mako zips and a bunch of boot image files.
My goal initially was to make sure I can flash back to my stock image which you have answered.
My next thing is that this emulated0 folder, which is identical to storage0 is taking up all of my storage space and I want to know if deleting it will muck things up.
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eye_p said:
As far as the freegee/backup folder it contains the efs backups I made with twrp and cwm as well as the twrp and cwm mako zips and a bunch of boot image files.
My goal initially was to make sure I can flash back to my stock image which you have answered.
My next thing is that this emulated0 folder, which is identical to storage0 is taking up all of my storage space and I want to know if deleting it will muck things up.
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If you flash back to stock, the answer to that is no. Flash back to stock then just delete the whole 0 folder. Stock uses data/media/, AOSP/CM based uses /data/media/0. So storage 0 and emulated 0 can both go once you are back in stock.
That makes sense. I'll give it a whirl and post results. I'll flash back to twrp recovery, flash my stock backup and try to clean up my sd card. I'm using es file explorer btw.
Thank you for all of the quick fire responses, especially for a Saturday night.
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That makes sense. I'll give it a whirl and post results. I'll flash back to twrp recovery, flash my stock backup and try to clean up my sd card. I'm using es file explorer btw.
Thank you for all of the quick fire responses, especially for a Saturday night.
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Haha, no prob. Just happened to be around tonight! Good luck!
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Ok, I'm a bit confused here. Are you still using AOSP 4.4? Did you flash Gapps? Just wondering why you are installing from the web instead of the play store(maybe you just meant play store when you said web). Since you are browsing files from your pc Internal Storage IS /data/media. If you were using a file manager with root on your phone you would be able to see files that don't normally show up on your computer. Thats the system root directory. But the important part is that /data/media=internal storage, you simply can't see it that way from a pc(at least I can't). If you can see the clockwordmod directory, copy that to 0 so that it replaces 0/clockworkmod and then try to restore your backup. That is the way it should be but I advise checking to see which one of those folders has something in it, and copying it to the empty one. Essentially ONE of the clockworkmod folders should have files, and one shouldn't. If BOTH folders are empty, I don't think you have a cwm backup......
Freegee automatically makes a backup when you run it, but was that your only backup? Again I don't use Rom Manager, but my understanding is if you make a backup with it, it would be in your clockworkmod folder. I wouldn't think it would be in the FreeGee folder. New FreeGee may be different(I know it was recently completely overhauled) but the version I had made backups of very important things but did not automatically make a cwm or twrp backup. Custom recoveries backup your data and system, FreeGee backed up your boot, sbl's, recovery, etc.
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I'm not sure about the emulated 0/legacy folder. What's in it? I just need a bit more info! You said you copied a backup to flash it. I'm assuming it failed? Are you also running AOSP 4.4 or another rom? For me it works like this. If I'm on lg stock or stock based roms my backups are in /data/media/cwm or /data/media/twrp depending on what recovery I am using. If I'm on something like CM or Omni, Carbon, etc it creates a 0 folder located in /data/media and uses that as the sdcard/internal storage. Once that happens that is what the recovery reads from. But are you saying the opposite happened?
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Still using AOSP 4.4.
I don't have play store so I tried to get apps off web. I don't know why I don't have play store, I would assume it would come with the custom rom, but one of my main problems now is I can't add any apps additional what came with the rom.
The data/media thing makes sense, but I still can't get a file viewer because I cant get apps to show up.
I have copied every image file I can find on my phone into the clockworkmod folder and still my rom manager doesn't see any back-ups. several of these images are actually called "backup." I am pretty sure though that none of them were in the clockworkmod folder origonally. How do I flash the Freegee backup?
I think my main bottleneck right now is getting any apps to install. any thoughts.
Thanks a lot.
SmashFace said:
Still using AOSP 4.4.
I don't have play store so I tried to get apps off web. I don't know why I don't have play store, I would assume it would come with the custom rom, but one of my main problems now is I can't add any apps additional what came with the rom.
The data/media thing makes sense, but I still can't get a file viewer because I cant get apps to show up.
I have copied every image file I can find on my phone into the clockworkmod folder and still my rom manager doesn't see any back-ups. several of these images are actually called "backup." I am pretty sure though that none of them were in the clockworkmod folder origonally. How do I flash the Freegee backup?
I think my main bottleneck right now is getting any apps to install. any thoughts.
Thanks a lot.
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Install 4.4 Gapps Standard the same way you installed AOSP 4.4. Links/directions should be in the thread where you got the rom. EDIT: If you installed 4.4 via rom manager, dont install gapps that way. Actually reboot into recovery and install the gapps zip file. Just wipe cache and dalvik then install gapps. Im not sure why you cant install apps. If it's from the web, you may need to enable "Install from unknown sources" under security. But if you already have, Im not sure. May be a rom/bad flash issue.
I should have said this before, stop using rom manager. Apps like that seem like they make things easier, but then something like this happens. One size fits all apps of any kind can have issues depending on model of phone. It's not difficult to reboot into recovery and make/restore your backups that way. Its far less likely that something will go wrong or get lost. Just food for thought moving forward.
You've already restored the backup once so it should be there, but if neither of the clockworkmod folders had anything in them, that's not a good sign......
I believe you flash the freegee backup from freegee itself. There should be a "restore with backups option. But again, it's not the same kind of backup you get with twrp or cwm. Those recoveries make nandroid backups which is your major system components i.e, your system and data from whatever rom you're using/apps you have at the time. Depending on the recovery they may back up EFS, cache, boot, etc. FreeGee backs up boot, efs partitions and sbl partitions. I've never seen CWM or TWRP touch the sbl, but if you lose the sbl, you lose download mode(which is the ONLY way to fix your phone if something goes horribly wrong!). Maybe new FreeGee is different, but the older version of the app's backup was meant to get you back where you could flash something, a backup, new rom, etc - but didnt just make a nandroid of your current working rom.
Some of this post may help you as well. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2050582
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Install 4.4 Gapps Standard the same way you installed AOSP 4.4. [/url]
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Looking for this but can't seem to find it. If you could point me to this rom for ls970 I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
SmashFace said:
Looking for this but can't seem to find it. If you could point me to this rom for ls970 I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
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It's in this 4.4 port for the ls970 thread. Scroll down to the directions. You'll see it say Install Rom, Flash Gapps with a link to Banks gapps. Gapps=Google Apps. You usually have to flash that separately with roms to get things like the play store app.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2515345
**Not Responsible For Your Phone Spontaneously Combusting, Taking Over The World,
Or Your Girlfriend Finding Those Photos You Forgot To Delete**
Not really a "ROM", but I'm currently uploading a stock twrp backup, untouched or rooted, in
case anyone needs an easy way to restore, and went flash happy and forgot a backup.
EDIT :Just Uncompress, Put The Twrp Folder On The Root Of Either Your SD Card, Or Internal
Storage, And Restore As You Normally Would A Twrp Backup.
DUMP OF KIW-L24 : RE-UPLOADED WITHOUT EFS BACKUP INCLUDED. RESTORE SYSTEM & BOOT.
Learn something new every day. Thanks everyone. . Please check out post #7 and Post #6 For in depth instructions.
(Have to re upload) switching google drive accounts. Hang tight.
New Link
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5g1fK3nTnRRZzlLLWVGVWZzaTg
Cool. Thanks for posting. I didn't realize you could restore another devices backup on your phone.
eruji said:
Cool. Thanks for posting. I didn't realize you could restore another devices backup on your phone.
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Long as it's the same phone, and model number, i've never seen an issue . Just Make Sure
Not To Restore The EFS Portion Of The Previously Uploaded File, Or Just Download The Newly
Uploaded One Without EFS Included. Forgot To Remove It Before Uploading Last Time. lol
paoloroeseke said:
**Not Responsible For Your Phone Spontaneously Combusting, Taking Over The World,
Or Your Girlfriend Finding Those Photos You Forgot To Delete**
Not really a "ROM", but I'm currently uploading a stock twrp backup, untouched or rooted, in
case anyone needs an easy way to restore, and went flash happy and forgot a backup.
EDIT :Just Uncompress, Put The Twrp Folder On The Root Of Either Your SD Card, Or Internal
Storage, And Restore As You Normally Would A Twrp Backup.
RE-UPLOADED WITHOUT EFS BACKUP INCLUDED. RESTORE SYSTEM & BOOT.
(Have to re upload) switching google drive accounts. Hang tight.
New Link
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5g1fK3nTnRRZzlLLWVGVWZzaTg
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Dump created from which model of honor 5x.. mine is KIW-L22
raj7749 said:
Dump created from which model of honor 5x.. mine is KIW-L22
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Sorry. L24 US Version
paoloroeseke said:
Sorry. L24 US Version
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Good, These are nice to have.
One note, TWRP creates a directory structure from the serial number of the phone, so you can't just zip up the entire twrp folder
the backup would not be visible on another device with a different serial number. ( I downloaded the file and it's last folder in the path below)
So the path to my TWRP backup is
sdcard1/TWRP/Backups/my serial number/date of backup
So the best way to pack your file is just zip/rar the /date of backup folder
and instruct others where to extract it too
I.E -> sdcard1/TWRP/Backups/your serial number/put backup here
hope this helps.
I'll be starting my own collection of goodies for this phone on my AFH account soon and I'll share the links for all to use
I mirrored your file here >> https://www.androidfilehost.com/?fid=24407100847292996
Stock recovery is here >> KIW-L24 b130
Also worth noting the full factory restore from Honor is here >> Honor%205X_Firmware_KIW-L24_Android%205.1_EMUI%203.1_C567B130_United%20States_Channel-Others
Instructions are in the zip
eruji said:
Cool. Thanks for posting. I didn't realize you could restore another devices backup on your phone.
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paoloroeseke said:
Long as it's the same phone, and model number, i've never seen an issue . Just Make Sure
Not To Restore The EFS Portion Of The Previously Uploaded File, Or Just Download The Newly
Uploaded One Without EFS Included. Forgot To Remove It Before Uploading Last Time. lol
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I'd like to add to that - when doing that, you should take care to change the device ID on the TWRP folder to match your own.
*swoops back to own forum*
Can you post a "working " not working " section into the OP? How well does this work? Are there features not working like fingerprint or camera?
Edit - my mistake...I thought this was a AOSP backup.
I created a backup, then deleted the the contents and moved the contents of this backup in its place so that it would recognize it, however when I try to restore it, I get an error stating there were no partitions?
paoloroeseke said:
**Not Responsible For Your Phone Spontaneously Combusting, Taking Over The World,
Or Your Girlfriend Finding Those Photos You Forgot To Delete**
Not really a "ROM", but I'm currently uploading a stock twrp backup, untouched or rooted, in
case anyone needs an easy way to restore, and went flash happy and forgot a backup.
EDIT :Just Uncompress, Put The Twrp Folder On The Root Of Either Your SD Card, Or Internal
Storage, And Restore As You Normally Would A Twrp Backup.
DUMP OF KIW-L24 : RE-UPLOADED WITHOUT EFS BACKUP INCLUDED. RESTORE SYSTEM & BOOT.
Learn something new every day. Thanks everyone. . Please check out post #7 and Post #6 For in depth instructions.
(Have to re upload) switching google drive accounts. Hang tight.
New Link
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B5g1fK3nTnRRZzlLLWVGVWZzaTg
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TNScrambler said:
I created a backup, then deleted the the contents and moved the contents of this backup in its place so that it would recognize it, however when I try to restore it, I get an error stating there were no partitions?
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Ok, I was able to get it all sorted out, I just had to calm down, think, and teach myself some new comand line skills hahaha
I downloaded the stock Firmware, however I wasn't able to install it since I had TWRP and it was blocking it.... so I found this tool, Huawei Update Extractor that can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2433454 Then used this Extractor to expand the firmware and extract the stock Recovery.img out of it. Then flashed that to the phone via fastboot. Now, I was able to run the stock firmware update via the factory EMUI update app. Once that was done I was able too boot the phone back up and I was suprised to find that it didn't wipe the phone, I guess it ran it as a true "upgrade" instead of a nuke and pave.... BONUS!
Anyhow, then I was able to flash the new TWRP recovery back in place and now I'm currently creating a backup.... which if I had taken the time to do in the first place none of this would have happend. Oh, well... who needs more than 3 hours of sleep..... its not like I work full time and have 5 kids under 5 :silly:
Hope this helps someone who gets flash happy and forgets to make a back up like I did!
Justin
TNScrambler said:
Ok, I was able to get it all sorted out, I just had to calm down, think, and teach myself some new comand line skills hahaha
I downloaded the stock Firmware, however I wasn't able to install it since I had TWRP and it was blocking it.... so I found this tool, Huawei Update Extractor that can be found here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2433454 Then used this Extractor to expand the firmware and extract the stock Recovery.img out of it. Then flashed that to the phone via fastboot. Now, I was able to run the stock firmware update via the factory EMUI update app. Once that was done I was able too boot the phone back up and I was suprised to find that it didn't wipe the phone, I guess it ran it as a true "upgrade" instead of a nuke and pave.... BONUS!
Anyhow, then I was able to flash the new TWRP recovery back in place and now I'm currently creating a backup.... which if I had taken the time to do in the first place none of this would have happend. Oh, well... who needs more than 3 hours of sleep..... its not like I work full time and have 5 kids under 5 :silly:
Hope this helps someone who gets flash happy and forgets to make a back up like I did!
Justin
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Where can you download the stock firmware ? and can you please the stock recovery.img for the L24
Thank you
D3VI0US said:
Where can you download the stock firmware ? and can you please the stock recovery.img for the L24
Thank you
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See post #6
paoloroeseke said:
See post #6
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Yes just found the link
Thank you
D3VI0US said:
Where can you download the stock firmware ? and can you please the stock recovery.img for the L24
Thank you
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As stated above on the link to the stock firmware.... I can post the stock recovery image tonight, its at home on my computer, but it'll probably be faster for you to download that extractor tool and pull it out yourself.... I posted the link to the tool earlier.
Restored Succesfully
Just FYI, this backup worked for me to restore on a KIW-L21 (European Honor 5X). What I did was to first make a backup, which created the proper folder structure and I then copied these backup files into that folder, replacing what was in there. Restore took about a minute and then phone booted in about 3. Thanks alot for this!
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I can confirm that it works with KIW-L21 too.
edit: after that my twrp didn't work correctly. Apparently there are some twrps that don't work with some devices.
I reinstalled twrp with this file http://forum.xda-developers.com/honor-5x/development/root-kiw-l24-usa-kiwi-t3305190
After everything was fine.
Arobase40 said:
What difference is there between KIW-L24 and KIW-L21 firmware ?
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Boot.img - the kernel is different
I know because the OTG fix for the L21 will not work on the L24 because of missing libraries
Thanks for the Rom
Really Helpfull, Thanks
Yes I believe that is the case
I'm not sure on all the radio bands though
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