Hey guys, now that we can backup our IMEI (Thanks to peoplearmy and geek!) I feel like flashing roms like a mad man. But before I start I was wondering if theres any differences between the CWM and TWRP? I want to be able to backup my current stock state and flash new roms.
Still new and it's taking a bit of time learning the vast ocean of android modding/development. When I hear people saying backup your stock rom before flashing, does this mean basically backing up the system or EVERYTHING including apps, music, sms etc? Correct me if I'm wrong but backing up with CWM or TWRP basically means just the system recovery kinda backup right? Like the CD's manufacturers give you when you first purchase a laptop.
Okay so if I'm correct on that, it basically means that if I were to flash a new rom or revert back to my stock rom. I'll lose all the files I've added on to the device aside from the factory starter apps/settings right? If this is the case than I would have to use QCOM Toolkit by mskip or titanium backup to backup all my apps (while i would have to manually backup photos,sms,music,videos etc through just normal USB?) or does our files get transferred over as well? I doubt that since it's basically a new "OS" right?
lol it's pretty cool learning all these new ideas as it'll be beneficial to everyone and myself on how to fully use the android phones. Now say if I want to switch roms with ease, is there such feature?
Last but not least, can all this be done with just the internal memory? I currently don't have any micro sd cards and waiting for the price drop on the 64gb sandisk because I have a huge playlist of FLAC files to add (living in Canada sometimes suck... all the good deals especially free shipping is in the usa lol..)
Thanks again xda-community
Intercrew said:
Hey guys, now that we can backup our IMEI (Thanks to peoplearmy and geek!) I feel like flashing roms like a mad man. But before I start I was wondering if theres any differences between the CWM and TWRP? I want to be able to backup my current stock state and flash new roms.
Still new and it's taking a bit of time learning the vast ocean of android modding/development. When I hear people saying backup your stock rom before flashing, does this mean basically backing up the system or EVERYTHING including apps, music, sms etc? Correct me if I'm wrong but backing up with CWM or TWRP basically means just the system recovery kinda backup right? Like the CD's manufacturers give you when you first purchase a laptop.
Okay so if I'm correct on that, it basically means that if I were to flash a new rom or revert back to my stock rom. I'll lose all the files I've added on to the device aside from the factory starter apps/settings right? If this is the case than I would have to use QCOM Toolkit by mskip or titanium backup to backup all my apps (while i would have to manually backup photos,sms,music,videos etc through just normal USB?) or does our files get transferred over as well? I doubt that since it's basically a new "OS" right?
lol it's pretty cool learning all these new ideas as it'll be beneficial to everyone and myself on how to fully use the android phones. Now say if I want to switch roms with ease, is there such feature?
Last but not least, can all this be done with just the internal memory? I currently don't have any micro sd cards and waiting for the price drop on the 64gb sandisk because I have a huge playlist of FLAC files to add (living in Canada sometimes suck... all the good deals especially free shipping is in the usa lol..)
Thanks again xda-community
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The differences in the recoveries that will matter for you, is that you're going to have an SD card in the future, currently only recovery 5.8.4.5 supports SD card in FAT32 format, later version recoveries don't have extSD support, the 5.8.4.5 images and zips are HERE
So after you've followed the root no-trip counter method, which is what is recommended, you can flash a different recovery from that thread, or just download the zip of the one you want, the recovery is inside the zip and can be pushed via ADB... refer to mrRobinson's thread for help with all that, and links to images... It'll need a recovery after getting rooted, might as well put the proper one on then...
Performing a backup is done from recovery, do an nandroid backup, it backs up the present state of your phone, so if you restore to it, it will be exactly like it was, when you backed it up...
No need for the toolkit, use Titanium Backup to backup apps or apps data if you want to restore them on a new ROM, and it's only recommended to back up USER apps and data, nothing system related, it will cause issues... The paid version is highly recommended if you're going to be relying on backups of your apps and such... I personally don't use it...
Without the SD, yea you'll be using internal memory... and it'll fill up quick with nandroids and ROMs... I never made an nandroid for my phone, but im sure its well over a gig in size...
B-Naughty said:
Without the SD, yea you'll be using internal memory... and it'll fill up quick with nandroids and ROMs... I never made an nandroid for my phone, but im sure its well over a gig in size...
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You are correct. Its quite a large file. Around 1.6GB
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B-Naughty said:
The differences in the recoveries that will matter for you, is that you're going to have an SD card in the future, currently only recovery 5.8.4.5 supports SD card in FAT32 format, later version recoveries don't have extSD support, the 5.8.4.5 images and zips are HERE
So after you've followed the root no-trip counter method, which is what is recommended, you can flash a different recovery from that thread, or just download the zip of the one you want, the recovery is inside the zip and can be pushed via ADB... refer to mrRobinson's thread for help with all that, and links to images... It'll need a recovery after getting rooted, might as well put the proper one on then...
Performing a backup is done from recovery, do an nandroid backup, it backs up the present state of your phone, so if you restore to it, it will be exactly like it was, when you backed it up...
No need for the toolkit, use Titanium Backup to backup apps or apps data if you want to restore them on a new ROM, and it's only recommended to back up USER apps and data, nothing system related, it will cause issues... The paid version is highly recommended if you're going to be relying on backups of your apps and such... I personally don't use it...
Without the SD, yea you'll be using internal memory... and it'll fill up quick with nandroids and ROMs... I never made an nandroid for my phone, but im sure its well over a gig in size...
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Is there a specific reason why the toolkit isn't recommended? Wouldn't it be easier to just backup all the stuff to the pc?
Now if I can backup all the nandroid, ROMs, and app&data through to the pc. Then titanium wouldn't be needed and the differences between the TWRP and CWM would be non? And is it okay to have the nandroid and ROM backup on the computer and not the device or sd card, or is it a good idea to keep it on the deivce/sdcard? If thats the case I will go with the link you gave me which is 5.8.4.5 CWM, (not sure the difference between the Touch and just normal, and which one I should downloaded out of the three (I own the Telus which should be equivalent to the AT&T))
Lastly, you mentioned if I wanted a different recovery I would go and flash the one in Robinson's thread (which i did on my last root but un-rooted and went to factory after having some issues with the homescreen). The ones in his thread aren't SD-card compatibility are they? or Are they?
Intercrew said:
Is there a specific reason why the toolkit isn't recommended? Wouldn't it be easier to just backup all the stuff to the pc?
Now if I can backup all the nandroid, ROMs, and app&data through to the pc. Then titanium wouldn't be needed and the differences between the TWRP and CWM would be non? And is it okay to have the nandroid and ROM backup on the computer and not the device or sd card, or is it a good idea to keep it on the deivce/sdcard? If thats the case I will go with the link you gave me which is 5.8.4.5 CWM, (not sure the difference between the Touch and just normal, and which one I should downloaded out of the three (I own the Telus which should be equivalent to the AT&T))
Lastly, you mentioned if I wanted a different recovery I would go and flash the one in Robinson's thread (which i did on my last root but un-rooted and went to factory after having some issues with the homescreen). The ones in his thread aren't SD-card compatibility are they? or Are they?
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Just follow his steps to get it rooted and install a recovery, his thread is using a 5.8.4.5 version, you'll be fine with the SD card... keep at least one working nandroid on you device... and it's not that toolkit isn't recommended, it's highly useful, but to me thats one extra time you're hooking your phone to computer, doing something... just make sure it isn't backing up / restoring system apps, and only user apps... If you just want to feel safer and stuff, use to toolkit to back up what you'd like, and keep a working nandroid on your phone... It's all user preference, I never back anything up... some people back up everything they possibly can...
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Just follow his steps to get it rooted and install a recovery, his thread is using a 5.8.4.5 version, you'll be fine with the SD card... keep at least one working nandroid on you device... and it's not that toolkit isn't recommended, it's highly useful, but to me thats one extra time you're hooking your phone to computer, doing something... just make sure it isn't backing up / restoring system apps, and only user apps... If you just want to feel safer and stuff, use to toolkit to back up what you'd like, and keep a working nandroid on your phone... It's all user preference, I never back anything up... some people back up everything they possibly can...
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lol okay thanks a lot mate
I just have one last concern is it a good idea to make a nandroid backup while your in a different ROM from stock? Like for example if I downloaded some apps, got new sms, new settings etc and wanted it to maintain even though I switched ROMs or go back to stock, everything would transfer over but the ROM that I was in before (Kyan in this case) would also transfer so stuff like (apps) gallery, google chrome, google music, and other things that were special to the custom ROM?
If this is true, I guess the best thing to do is make a backup before switching ROM's than make separate backups of all the apps+data, sms etc before switching to either a stock or another custom ROM?
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I just have one last concern is it a good idea to make a nandroid backup while your in a different ROM from stock? Like for example if I downloaded some apps, got new sms, new settings etc and wanted it to maintain even though I switched ROMs or go back to stock, everything would transfer over but the ROM that I was in before (Kyan in this case) would also transfer so stuff like (apps) gallery, google chrome, google music, and other things that were special to the custom ROM?
If this is true, I guess the best thing to do is make a backup before switching ROM's than make separate backups of all the apps+data, sms etc before switching to either a stock or another custom ROM?
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All ROM devs recommend that you make an nandroid before flashing their ROM just in case you need it... Most people made one on stock, and everytime before they flash something else... Like I said, I never make one, if I have issues I'll fix it some other way... and the backup will restore EVERYTHING back to exactly as it was when you made it... which is also why you don't need to backup apps with toolkit, etc... just make nandroids, and use TiBu for other stuff...
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All ROM devs recommend that you make an nandroid before flashing their ROM just in case you need it... Most people made one on stock, and everytime before they flash something else... Like I said, I never make one, if I have issues I'll fix it some other way... and the backup will restore EVERYTHING back to exactly as it was when you made it... which is also why you don't need to backup apps with toolkit, etc... just make nandroids, and use TiBu for other stuff...
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Yes I know that, but what I mean is, is it okay to make a nandroid backup while your on a different ROM, and once you switch ROM is it safe to restore the nandroid you made backup of while in a different ROM?
Cause like you said and other the nandroid backups EVERYTHING to exactly how it was before. So that means the stuff that weren't or were in different ROMS will appear/disappear in the other ROM's I'm using?
EDIT: I'm just curious weather or not if I have to reinstall all the new apps i've downloaded and sms backup while in a different ROM to prepare myself for the reset on the new ROM
Intercrew said:
Yes I know that, but what I mean is, is it okay to make a nandroid backup while your on a different ROM, and once you switch ROM is it safe to restore the nandroid you made backup of while in a different ROM?
Cause like you said and other the nandroid backups EVERYTHING to exactly how it was before. So that means the stuff that weren't or were in different ROMS will appear/disappear in the other ROM's I'm using?
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No don't restore the nandroid unless you want to go back, or something has gone wrong and you have to... If you want to backup your apps and app data use Titanium Backup...
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No don't restore the nandroid unless you want to go back, or something has gone wrong and you have to... If you want to backup your apps and app data use Titanium Backup...
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thank you lol
I just wanted to chime in and say thanks for the educational read. It's nice to see well articulated thoughts exchanged (with correct spelling might I add).
Cheers
Be careful as telus is NOT exactly the same as at&t. I'm rogers and although yes we have to use the at&t forum 747 and our 747m phones do have a few key differences so be careful. The cwm recovery is actually an older version that works for us as we can't install the newest version. And our modem or broadband is DIFFETENT then at&T's so that has to be remembered when flashing roms and mod'ing. Just some advise to remember with our Canadian variants.
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pchemerys said:
Be careful as telus is NOT exactly the same as at&t. I'm rogers and although yes we have to use the at&t forum 747 and our 747m phones do have a few key differences so be careful. The cwm recovery is actually an older version that works for us as we can't install the newest version. And our modem or broadband is DIFFETENT then at&T's so that has to be remembered when flashing roms and mod'ing. Just some advise to remember with our Canadian variants.
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Wow... I undertsood what you were saying... but then i dismissed it as drunken typing with nothing that makes sense... I understood you..
CWM 5.8.4.5 supports extSD
Modem doesn't have to be changed, so it has nothing to do with it...
Just out of curiousity for those using CWM:
Does your nandroid backup have incorrect date stamps?
Mine says my phone was backup in the 1970s
Sort if this is a dumb question but why cant we use the newest version?
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twanskys204 said:
Sort if this is a dumb question but why cant we use the newest version?
Sent from my A501
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You can use newest version if you want, but only 5.8.4.5 supports extSD :good:
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You can use newest version if you want, but only 5.8.4.5 supports extSD :good:
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Are u sure the newest cwm works on the 747m variant? I was informed ( on several posts) that it doesn't and will cause problems and a few have posted them. Keep in mind this is the Canadian version not at&t. Even in the root sticky for this747m device it talks about this and why it gives the install instructions for the earlier version for our devices. Sure I could be wrong but there is plenty on this site to support what I'm saying.
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Wow... I undertsood what you were saying... but then i dismissed it as drunken typing with nothing that makes sense... I understood you..
CWM 5.8.4.5 supports extSD
Modem doesn't have to be changed, so it has nothing to do with it...
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Lol..I now get why u were saying this...I apologize cuz I just realized that i was talking about the modems in this thread and that was an accident...when I was replying here I had a lot of reply windows open and got mixed up..(I'm not a drinker btw so no drunken typing btw) ..but just as a very general point it still applies..be careful with "some at&t roms" as there are some differences that could cause issues...that's all..but as for cwm rec..its all good and I will have to look into this again about the latest versions because I was under the impression from some here that it is not advised...maybe wrongly. Thanks and I'll check it out.
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Are u sure the newest cwm works on the 747m variant? I was informed ( on several posts) that it doesn't and will cause problems and a few have posted them. Keep in mind this is the Canadian version not at&t. Even in the root sticky for this747m device it talks about this and why it gives the install instructions for the earlier version for our devices. Sure I could be wrong but there is plenty on this site to support what I'm saying.
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Lol..I now get why u were saying this...I apologize cuz I just realized that i was talking about the modems in this thread and that was an accident...when I was replying here I had a lot of reply windows open and got mixed up..(I'm not a drinker btw so no drunken typing btw) ..but just as a very general point it still applies..be careful with "some at&t roms" as there are some differences that could cause issues...that's all..but as for cwm rec..its all good and I will have to look into this again about the latest versions because I was under the impression from some here that it is not advised...maybe wrongly. Thanks and I'll check it out.
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Well I can't confirm whether it will work flawlessly like on an AT&T phone, or will it produce assert errors, because I don't have a Canadian variant... and mostly because I don't come into the Q/A forum very often, and read the threads... I'll just check to see if it's swamped the I'll help out...but the fact still remains that only 5.8.4.5 supports extSD.... Try one of these CWM recoveries, flash it in your current recovery... Worst that will happen is that you'll be changing recoveries again, if it throws script / assert errors...
Possibly someone with an I747M can chime in about which 5.8.4.5 to use for extSD support...
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I have been rooted and flashed 15-20 roms all flawless until today, when I had one that failed, TGF cwm recovery, I was abel to recover my backup, but does this not restore it to original rom (meaning with setting, theams etc) If not is there a program out there that will back up your desktop as is, because its a pain to reinstall and set everything up again, espicaly if you are reverting to a backup of a rom. resign it resetup keyboard, theam etc.
Im not a noob just one to clock work restore.
Thanks in advance
It completly restores everything. I use it all the time to flash back to my daily driver. Desktop, Web pages, call Logs, SMS messages, all get restored.
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I have been rooted and flashed 15-20 roms all flawless until today, when I had one that failed, TGF cwm recovery, I was abel to recover my backup, but does this not restore it to original rom (meaning with setting, theams etc) If not is there a program out there that will back up your desktop as is, because its a pain to reinstall and set everything up again, espicaly if you are reverting to a backup of a rom. resign it resetup keyboard, theam etc.
Im not a noob just one to clock work restore.
Thanks in advance
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if you made a nandroid it restores EVERYTHING back to the way it was...including the themes, keyboard, apps whatever it is...idk what you did, but it certainly wasn't a nandroid or else everything would have been restored
there is no currently no method other than a nandroid that works flawlessly
setting up homescreens and themes over again are a way of life when you flash new roms
it sucks...but whatever...if you dont like it, dont flash new roms (not directed at you...im saying in general)
robandcathy said:
I have been rooted and flashed 15-20 roms all flawless until today, when I had one that failed, TGF cwm recovery, I was abel to recover my backup, but does this not restore it to original rom (meaning with setting, theams etc) If not is there a program out there that will back up your desktop as is, because its a pain to reinstall and set everything up again, espicaly if you are reverting to a backup of a rom. resign it resetup keyboard, theam etc.
Im not a noob just one to clock work restore.
Thanks in advance
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There must be something wrong with your backup because when you restore a backup, it restores exactly how it was saved. Meaning that if you backed it up once you had everything set up already then it would have restored with everything already set up. That includes settings,themes,apps and even widgets. So unless your backup is before you set everything up then there is something wrong.
ok guess this is a noob question then, nandroid and cwm backup the same? because I use cwm as my backup option because it works on kernal level, or at least before os loads, so I assumed this would be good enough. Running the most current version of CWM.
EDIT ok stupid me for not doing a google search, got my answer, which raises another question can cwm and nandroid co exist from the little bit I read both require hard keypresses at boot along with the phones own hard key patter. MAn if I ever felt stupid I do now lol. Kept reading about nandroid but thought it was CWM
Edit 2 after wanting to do a deeper look into nandroid brings me back to CWM
Is there a cwm forum because its not on there main web site so I can bother them about this?
Cwm works perfect for me.
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robandcathy said:
ok guess this is a noob question then, nandroid and cwm backup the same? because I use cwm as my backup option because it works on kernal level, or at least before os loads, so I assumed this would be good enough. Running the most current version of CWM.
EDIT ok stupid me for not doing a google search, got my answer, which raises another question can cwm and nandroid co exist from the little bit I read both require hard keypresses at boot along with the phones own hard key patter. MAn if I ever felt stupid I do now lol. Kept reading about nandroid but thought it was CWM
Edit 2 after wanting to do a deeper look into nandroid brings me back to CWM
Is there a cwm forum because its not on there main web site so I can bother them about this?
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The best way to go is go to recovery, then go to back up and restore, select back up, wait until finished, and then reboot system and you are set.
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I always backup to internal havent had errors that way. Only if backed up to external is when i get errors
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robandcathy said:
ok guess this is a noob question then, nandroid and cwm backup the same? because I use cwm as my backup option because it works on kernal level, or at least before os loads, so I assumed this would be good enough. Running the most current version of CWM.
EDIT ok stupid me for not doing a google search, got my answer, which raises another question can cwm and nandroid co exist from the little bit I read both require hard keypresses at boot along with the phones own hard key patter. MAn if I ever felt stupid I do now lol. Kept reading about nandroid but thought it was CWM
Edit 2 after wanting to do a deeper look into nandroid brings me back to CWM
Is there a cwm forum because its not on there main web site so I can bother them about this?
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I believe cwm backups and nandroids are interchangeable terms now. It was probably different in the past when using different backup methods but they have the same purpose.. which is an exact backup of you device.
Hello again.
Since I am under 10 posts and not allowed to participate in the relevant thread plus searching didn't yield any results I am posting here.
After one month of using my nexus I want to play with it and try some custom things that all people talk so much about.Fact is I first want to backup current state where everything works fine in case something goes wrong.
I 've already backed up my apps and their data with Titanium Backup.
Now I need current OS state bootloader, etc.Am I right to believe this is the NANDROID backup? Is this the backup that can bring the phone back to its current state?
Second thing is that the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit v7.8.0 I am using recommends backing up the EFS partition.Did some research that revealed this hidden partition is about the IMEI - I can't understand how such a valuable data isn't hardcoded inside the phone.But nevertheless I would like to know where are those backups (NANDROID and ESF partition) stored (already checked backups folder in toolkit).
My phone's current state is: unlocked bootloader, CWM recovery, rooted and on stock 4.1.1.No mods or any other custom file.
Another question regarding the CWM recovery.How is it possible to go back to the stock recovery? By flashing the stock ROM?
Also from GN Toolkit I flashed CWM Touch but after trying an update through CWM ROM Manager I got the manual version (both 6.0.1).Can I reflash the touch version from Toolkit?
Sorry if some of those questions sound silly but I am new in Android and prefer the safe path.
Thank you in advance.
TR-909 said:
Hello again.
Since I am under 10 posts and not allowed to participate in the relevant thread plus searching didn't yield any results I am posting here.
After one month of using my nexus I want to play with it and try some custom things that all people talk so much about.Fact is I first want to backup current state where everything works fine in case something goes wrong.
I 've already backed up my apps and their data with Titanium Backup.
Now I need current OS state bootloader, etc.Am I right to believe this is the NANDROID backup? Is this the backup that can bring the phone back to its current state?
Second thing is that the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit v7.8.0 I am using recommends backing up the EFS partition.Did some research that revealed this hidden partition is about the IMEI - I can't understand how such a valuable data isn't hardcoded inside the phone.But nevertheless I would like to know where are those backups (NANDROID and ESF partition) stored (already checked backups folder in toolkit).
My phone's current state is: unlocked bootloader, CWM recovery, rooted and on stock 4.1.1.No mods or any other custom file.
Another question regarding the CWM recovery.How is it possible to go back to the stock recovery? By flashing the stock ROM?
Also from GN Toolkit I flashed CWM Touch but after trying an update through CWM ROM Manager I got the manual version (both 6.0.1).Can I reflash the touch version from Toolkit?
Sorry if some of those questions sound silly but I am new in Android and prefer the safe path.
Thank you in advance.
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toolkit is not a safe path for you.
read these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812959
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1626895
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420351
learn how to troubleshoot and search, you'll be a whole lot happier. don't use toolkits.
TR-909 said:
Now I need current OS state bootloader, etc.Am I right to believe this is the NANDROID backup? Is this the backup that can bring the phone back to its current state?
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nandroid doesn't backup the bootloader. if you ever need to go back to a specific bootloader version (which you won't), it is available online.
bk201doesntexist said:
toolkit is not a safe path for you.
read these:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1812959
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1626895
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1529058
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1420351
learn how to troubleshoot and search, you'll be a whole lot happier. don't use toolkits.
nandroid doesn't backup the bootloader. if you ever need to go back to a specific bootloader version (which you won't), it is available online.
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That's a lot of reading.
Anyway thanks for pointing me to those threads (I don't mind reading hehe) but still I don't understand why toolkit is so bad.In my view the toolkit just automates a set of commands which otherwise I would have to give through a command prompt.Only good thing I can find avoiding a toolkit, is getting a deeper knowledge on the subject but maybe the risks of doing something wrong are increased (say a typo)?
Anyway let me read those and I may be back.
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That's a lot of reading.
Anyway thanks for pointing me to those threads (I don't mind reading hehe) but still I don't understand why toolkit is so bad.In my view the toolkit just automates a set of commands which otherwise I would have to give through a command prompt.Only good thing I can find avoiding a toolkit, is getting a deeper knowledge on the subject but maybe the risks of doing something wrong are increased (say a typo)?
Anyway let me read those and I may be back.
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Toolkit is a automated set of other people's command, programme are coded by humans and human errors are bound to happen, not to mention if something went wrong somewhere, you won't know what went wrong. By doing the steps yourself, you will know exactly what went wrong, and it will simplify things should you have to ask questions here, which you most likely don't have to once you know how to use adb and fastboot, trust me.
Typos while doing your commands won't hurt because it simply will fail and not do anything. Immediately you will know you typed something incorrectly and know you have to do it again. With the kit you will not know at which step it failed so figuring out something will become a task. Doing it yourself sounds like it's longer and difficult but once you do it you will see how easy and simple it is plus you will understand what you did and why.
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Now I need current OS state bootloader, etc.Am I right to believe this is the NANDROID backup? Is this the backup that can bring the phone back to its current state?
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Yes and yes.
TR-909 said:
Second thing is that the Galaxy Nexus Toolkit v7.8.0 I am using recommends backing up the EFS partition.Did some research that revealed this hidden partition is about the IMEI - I can't understand how such a valuable data isn't hardcoded inside the phone.But nevertheless I would like to know where are those backups (NANDROID and ESF partition) stored (already checked backups folder in toolkit).
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I won't comment on the toolkit, but nandroid backups are stored in /sdcard/clockworkmod/backup/ on your device.
As for the efs partition, you could back it up, but I don't really see what the necessity of it is. That partition is never written to by any ROM (stock or otherwise), so the only way it will get messed up is if you do something to it.
If you want to back it up on your device, just open a terminal window and type:
su
dd if=/dev/block/platform/omap/omap_hsmmc.0/by-name/efs of=/sdcard/efs.img
That will store it in /sdcard, and then just copy it off your device.
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Another question regarding the CWM recovery.How is it possible to go back to the stock recovery? By flashing the stock ROM?
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Just pull the recovery.img file out of the version of the stock factory image that you are currently using, place it in the same directory where you have your fastboot.exe file, reboot your device into fastboot mode and type:
fastboot flash recovery recovery.img
Or, just save it to /sdcard on your device and type the following in a terminal:
su
dd if=/sdcard/recovery.img of=/dev/block/platform/omap/omap_hsmmc.0/by-name/recovery
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Also from GN Toolkit I flashed CWM Touch but after trying an update through CWM ROM Manager I got the manual version (both 6.0.1).Can I reflash the touch version from Toolkit?
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Can't help you out with any toolkit, sorry.
Hello efrant.
Seems you are the n00bs hero in here! I was reading your FAQ and threw some basic ADB commands through cmd to see how it feels ,lol.
Well reading made some good, I backed up through CWM but the backup size baffles me - only 21.4MB in total.Is this normal?
Also took a fresh backup with Titanium for all apps and data - this is a lot bigger 728MB in total.Still Storage (in Settings) reports that applications and their data hold 3.54GB.Is there some kind of ultra compression involved?
As for the stock bootloader I found that image (recovery-stock-jro03c-maguro) which I think is for my GN (GSM).I am asking in case something bad happens and go for a warranty claim.In that case I believe I 'll need to flash the stock bootloader, stock ROM and finally lock the bootloader.
As for the EFS partition is it impossible to be harmed? Say File System corruption, sdcard bad blocks, etc?
It's ok.I clearly understand your position on the toolkit and any similar programms out there.It's just they are so "convenient" and "time savers".Still you 're all right that most of the time you do not understand what you are doing when using toolkits.
Thanks to all of you for your great help. :good:
PS - to test my progress I am going to flash stock recovery through flashboot.I just hope I won't mess it up. :fingers-crossed:
To clear a few things:
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As for the stock bootloader I found that image (recovery-stock-jro03c-maguro) which I think is for my GN (GSM).I am asking in case something bad happens and go for a warranty claim.In that case I believe I 'll need to flash the stock bootloader, stock ROM and finally lock the bootloader.
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we don't have any custom bootloaders, as of yet.
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As for the EFS partition is it impossible to be harmed? Say File System corruption, sdcard bad blocks, etc?
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not impossible, but many many users never had any issues. to be on the safe side, back it up.
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It's ok.I clearly understand your position on the toolkit and any similar programms out there.It's just they are so "convenient" and "time savers".Still you 're all right that most of the time you do not understand what you are doing when using toolkits.
Thanks to all of you for your great help. :good:
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glad you understand. just because something is convenient doesn't mean that it's the best for you.
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PS - to test my progress I am going to flash stock recovery through flashboot.I just hope I won't mess it up. :fingers-crossed:
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easy. you can't fail with fastboot. like said before, if you type it wrong, it won't go through. :good:
'fastboot flash recovery recovery.img'
done.
Regarding the nandroid, copy off the whole clockworkmod folder.
Will the next nexus have a longer screen?
@bk201doesntexist: yes you 're right I was reffering to the stock recovery image.Thanks for correcting me
@Mach3.2: I 've read just the backup folder is needed (the one with the date and time).
For the sake of learning, I started in ADB then:
adb devices : to check I am online
adb reboot-bootloader: to get into fastboot
fastboot devices: check again status
and then
fastboot recovery recovery-CWM-touch-6.0.1-maguro
blah...
blah...
blah...
Finished and voila CWM touch recovery installed. :victory:
I am going to try with stock recovery but I am trying to find an official source to download it (if any).
EDIT: I see the only way to find the original recovery img is to extract it from the official ROM.So I am downloading from Google a .tgz and will continue from there.
Any comments for my backup sizes?
Now with my backups in hand what is the possible way to verify them? In theory with nandroid (from CWM recovery) and Titanium, I can restore phone in today's state.Right or wrong?
I am thinking of going a bit further flashing the stock ROM again (wiping everything) and then recovering from the backup archives as my next learning exercise.I should obviously backup photos, music, etc but I was wondering if SMS history is taken care by Nandroid or have to use a seperate application.Contacts are in google's server so np on that.
Thanks again.
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Well reading made some good, I backed up through CWM but the backup size baffles me - only 21.4MB in total.Is this normal?
Also took a fresh backup with Titanium for all apps and data - this is a lot bigger 728MB in total.Still Storage (in Settings) reports that applications and their data hold 3.54GB.Is there some kind of ultra compression involved?
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If you are using the 6-series CWM, it does backups a little differently (incrementally), and stores the backup in two locations in /sdcard/clockworkmod. I personally use 5.5.0.2, which does a full backup and stores it in one location.
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As for the stock bootloader I found that image (recovery-stock-jro03c-maguro) which I think is for my GN (GSM).I am asking in case something bad happens and go for a warranty claim.In that case I believe I 'll need to flash the stock bootloader, stock ROM and finally lock the bootloader.
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As was mentioned above, all bootloaders available are stock bootloaders. A list can be found in the bootloader thread (link in my signature).
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As for the EFS partition is it impossible to be harmed? Say File System corruption, sdcard bad blocks, etc?
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But if you have bad blocks in the efs partition, you would probably need to get a new device, at which point you have no need for the backup, no? But I guess yes, better safe than sorry.
TR-909 said:
In theory with nandroid (from CWM recovery) and Titanium, I can restore phone in today's state.Right or wrong?
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With a nandroid alone you can return to today's state.
TR-909 said:
I am thinking of going a bit further flashing the stock ROM again (wiping everything) and then recovering from the backup archives as my next learning exercise.I should obviously backup photos, music, etc but I was wondering if SMS history is taken care by Nandroid or have to use a seperate application.Contacts are in google's server so np on that.
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Wiping from CWM does not wipe the data you have on /sdcard, so no need to backup photos, music, etc.
SMS will get wiped, but both Titanium and a nandroid will back them up. However, you can use a third-party app (there are many of them) to do it as well, which is simpler actually.
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@bk201doesntexist: yes you 're right I was reffering to the stock recovery image.Thanks for correcting me
@Mach3.2: I 've read just the backup folder is needed (the one with the date and time).
For the sake of learning, I started in ADB then:
adb devices : to check I am online
adb reboot-bootloader: to get into fastboot
fastboot devices: check again status
and then
fastboot recovery recovery-CWM-touch-6.0.1-maguro
blah...
blah...
blah...
Finished and voila CWM touch recovery installed. :victory:
I am going to try with stock recovery but I am trying to find an official source to download it (if any).
EDIT: I see the only way to find the original recovery img is to extract it from the official ROM.So I am downloading from Google a .tgz and will continue from there.
Any comments for my backup sizes?
Now with my backups in hand what is the possible way to verify them? In theory with nandroid (from CWM recovery) and Titanium, I can restore phone in today's state.Right or wrong?
I am thinking of going a bit further flashing the stock ROM again (wiping everything) and then recovering from the backup archives as my next learning exercise.I should obviously backup photos, music, etc but I was wondering if SMS history is taken care by Nandroid or have to use a seperate application.Contacts are in google's server so np on that.
Thanks again.
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The backup is just a shell, it's backed up in blobs, so you will need to copy the whole thing off.
You 're both right that in that the CWM recovery "image" is incremental and the base backup is the blops folder - now the total size is 1.75GB which is logical.
@efrant: thanks for clarifying on backup now it all starts making sense.I 've read Titanium Backup can pull individual files (may I call it selective restore) from a Nandroid backup, say a single app and its data.If that is so then the Titanium Backup could be used as a reserve app and that could save me some precious space.
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SMS will get wiped, but both Titanium and a nandroid will back them up. However, you can use a third-party app (there are many of them) to do it as well, which is simpler actually.
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I prefer to use less apps for doing the job so if Nandroid has the data it is fine with me.I hope it isn't that complicated to pull the data out.
@Mach3.2: You were right, my bad.The article I read was about CWM recovery 5.5.0.2 so now I copied the whole thing on PC. :good:
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I prefer to use less apps for doing the job so if Nandroid has the data it is fine with me.I hope it isn't that complicated to pull the data out.
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The issue is that SMS's are stored as data for a specific system app (I can't remember which one at the moment). If you change ROMs, it is generally not a good idea to restore system apps or system app data via Titanium Backup, as those apps/data could cause some instability. You may get lucky, you may not.
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The issue is that SMS's are stored as data for a specific system app (I can't remember which one at the moment). If you change ROMs, it is generally not a good idea to restore system apps or system app data via Titanium Backup, as those apps/data could cause some instability. You may get lucky, you may not.
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Point taken.:good:
A bit more on the backup subject...
As I can see CWM recovery backups boot image, recovery image and the /system partition.I also saw in one of efrant's posts about different bootloaders but honestly I fail to comprehend the need for flashing a bootloader.
*In your "convert to latest yakju" post you recommend flashing it "5) Optional (NOT optional for n00bs) -- Flash the bootloader: fastboot flash bootloader bootloader-maguro-primela03.img (or whatever the name of the bootloader image that you downloaded)."
** Also the radio partition is a mystery so far.And I 've read a lot of guys talking of better connectivity (be it GSM, 3G, WiFi) through flashing custom (?) radio images.On list to be explored...
The recovery image is pretty straight and the system partition is the one with the OS - now all this can't be 1.7GB unless it backups the userdata partition too.
EDIT: It seems it also backups the data folder (hence the apps) so the size now makes sense.I reverted to 5.5.0.2 because incremental backup is fast and slick but brings two issues: first the "blops structure" gives me problems when I want to transfer those thousands of files via MTP and second it is much more practical when I want to backup completely different "builds" (that is my guess).
Also in between flashing ROMs a standard procedure is recommended about wiping data, clearing dalvik cache, etc
Could you please give me in details the series of tasks needed (or point me to a thread) for properly preparing a custom ROM installation when unlocked and rooted?
About restoration in the "new enviroment" I read this:
"If your bootloader is unlocked: yes, you can root (if you haven't done it already) and use TiB to backup apps + app data. Installing a ROM will not wipe your /sdcard. It's always a good idea to back it up though before a flash. Use TiB to restore apps + appdata to your new ROM. Be careful with system apps and settings, restoring such data can lead to issues."
Am I right in that "illegal" system apps are those painted with red colour in TiB?
Final steps I am going to backup SMS history and find a custom ROM to install.Any ROM recommendations for a "novice user" are welcome...
Off Topic: what would be the adb commands to push/pull folders (or files) from /sdcard to PC (eg. \sdcard\clockworkmod --> C:/Nexus) .Right now I am doing MTP transfers but would prefer the "adb way" if possible.
Thanks a lot for your support and sharing of knowledge!
PS - So much reading!
Wow, that's a lot of questions for one post! I'll try to tackle some of them.
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As I can see CWM recovery backups boot image, recovery image and the /system partition.I also saw in one of efrant's posts about different bootloaders but honestly I fail to comprehend the need for flashing a bootloader.
*In your "convert to latest yakju" post you recommend flashing it "5) Optional (NOT optional for n00bs) -- Flash the bootloader: fastboot flash bootloader bootloader-maguro-primela03.img (or whatever the name of the bootloader image that you downloaded)."
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I don't think anyone knows what changes are in each new bootloader revision (given that they are closed source), but some have had issues with running Jelly Bean on bootloaders older than LA03. I guess "newer is better" holds true in this case.
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** Also the radio partition is a mystery so far.And I 've read a lot of guys talking of better connectivity (be it GSM, 3G, WiFi) through flashing custom (?) radio images.On list to be explored...
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Again, no one know what changes are made in each radio revision. I personally have not noticed much difference among a lot of the radios, but others have said otherwise. (And no, there are no "custom" radios. All radios are stock -- just from different versions of Android. (A list of radios can be found in the radio link in my signature.)
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The recovery image is pretty straight and the system partition is the one with the OS - now all this can't be 1.7GB unless it backups the userdata partition too.
EDIT: It seems it also backups the data folder (hence the apps) so the size now makes sense.
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Yup, it backs up the cache, boot, recovery and system partitions, and everything in /data except /data/media (which is /sdcard).
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I reverted to 5.5.0.2 because incremental backup is fast and slick but brings two issues: first the "blops structure" gives me problems when I want to transfer those thousands of files via MTP and second it is much more practical when I want to backup completely different "builds" (that is my guess).
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I also like 5.5.0.2. I found it to be the most compatible, i.e., it has no issues flashing anything (that I have tried anyway), whereas other versions have issues with certain things.
And I personally wouldn't use MTP to transfer files -- it is flaky at best. ADB is much more stable.
TR-909 said:
Also in between flashing ROMs a standard procedure is recommended about wiping data, clearing dalvik cache, etc
Could you please give me in details the series of tasks needed (or point me to a thread) for properly preparing a custom ROM installation when unlocked and rooted?
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There is not much to do:
1) Download ROM to /sdcard
2) Reboot into recovery
3) Nandroid
4) Wipe /data and /cache
5) Flash ROM
6) Reboot
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About restoration in the "new enviroment" I read this:
"If your bootloader is unlocked: yes, you can root (if you haven't done it already) and use TiB to backup apps + app data. Installing a ROM will not wipe your /sdcard. It's always a good idea to back it up though before a flash. Use TiB to restore apps + appdata to your new ROM. Be careful with system apps and settings, restoring such data can lead to issues."
Am I right in that "illegal" system apps are those painted with red colour in TiB?
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I think so. I haven't use TB in a while, so I just checked and it looks like you are correct -- red.
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Off Topic: what would be the adb commands to push/pull folders (or files) from /sdcard to PC (eg. \sdcard\clockworkmod --> C:/Nexus) .Right now I am doing MTP transfers but would prefer the "adb way" if possible.
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Have a read of the "basics" link in my signature. ADB is covered there.
Wow that's some great answers and a big motive for me to continue "digging".:good:
I will leave you in peace for the time being as here it's about to dawn.
Big thanks and have a nice day.
PS - To be continued...
There is a article on the main xda site about running a FTP server on your phone, maybe that will transfer the blobs faster than MTP.
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There is a article on the main xda site about running a FTP server on your phone, maybe that will transfer the blobs faster than MTP.
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Hey mach3.2.
FTP wouldn't help because WLAN (802.11g) can't beat USB 2.0 speeds.In fact it is quite slow for such file sizes.You 're right though in that through ES File Explorer I can send the whole Clockworkmod folder (and the blobs) normally to my PC without the "invisible files" issue I encountered with Windows Explorer and MTP.
Thanks for suggestion!
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Hey mach3.2.
FTP wouldn't help because WLAN (802.11g) can't beat USB 2.0 speeds.In fact it is quite slow for such file sizes.You 're right though in that through ES File Explorer I can send the whole Clockworkmod folder (and the blobs) normally to my PC without the "invisible files" issue I encountered with Windows Explorer and MTP.
Thanks for suggestion!
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With MTP, copying using FTP may just be faster
And just to mention, there's 802.11N on you devices, although it's only single stream w/ 1 antenna..
A couple of things. I've been reading xda for a while but am by no means anything other than a "noob" I know just enough to be dangerous to my phone, but so far only soft bricked my old cappy once. So a very grateful thank you to all the hard work you guys put in to pushing the development.
As a somewhat experienced noob I can say first hand that reading through all these threads and posts that lead in a thousand directions is pretty hard and time consuming. That's why all the "what ROM is best" threads. I sounds kind of selfish coming from someone who has contributed nothing other than traffic to xda, but a section for comparing different ROMs would stop most of those posts.
Now for the questions. Is there a way to put a .zip of the stock ROM on my sd card so I can go back to stock anytime I want? I know I can flash back to stock with odin, but can it be done thru the recovery console? I would like to be able to have several ROMs saved on sd and use recovery to flash between them. I'm not real happy with ROMManager... is freezes all the time, and I've not one time been able to flash with it.
Thanks
Make a backup! Install cwm on your device ...boot into recovery> create backup....
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k.zacher said:
A couple of things. I've been reading xda for a while but am by no means anything other than a "noob" I know just enough to be dangerous to my phone, but so far only soft bricked my old cappy once. So a very grateful thank you to all the hard work you guys put in to pushing the development.
As a somewhat experienced noob I can say first hand that reading through all these threads and posts that lead in a thousand directions is pretty hard and time consuming. That's why all the "what ROM is best" threads. I sounds kind of selfish coming from someone who has contributed nothing other than traffic to xda, but a section for comparing different ROMs would stop most of those posts.
Now for the questions. Is there a way to put a .zip of the stock ROM on my sd card so I can go back to stock anytime I want? I know I can flash back to stock with odin, but can it be done thru the recovery console? I would like to be able to have several ROMs saved on sd and use recovery to flash between them. I'm not real happy with ROMManager... is freezes all the time, and I've not one time been able to flash with it.
Thanks
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WOW one of the most brutally honest statements I've seen here in a while. That's good. And yes it's all very confusing at times, even for non-noobs lol.
Answer-->once you have rooted and cwm or twrp installed make a nandroid of your system, you can restore this at any time. Once you install a rom and get it running how you want and want to try another rom make a nandroid of that one in recovery, you can go back by restoring it. You can do this in this way until your happy with what your running or you run out of storage.
One word of advice...nandroids are snapshots of how your phone is at that moment...any apps, texts, modifications after the nandroid wont be in it....but...a nandroid combined with my back up or titanium backup is great, nandroid for the system and my back up or titanium backup for texts, apps, call logs and such and you can switch back and forth or install a new rom and restore user apps and call logs, texts, ect without losing those. Remember don't back up system apps or system settings as those may mess up on a different rom, only back up user apps(those you've installed).
Hope this helps a little
BTW--> don't use ROM manager to flash anything other than the recovery. Boot into recovery and flash stuff manually. Also, I would suggest twrp recovery as both have issues with auto naming backups, but at least with twrp you can name it whatever you want before you make it.
Just be careful. I remember a Nandroid not flashing the radio but they may have fixed that. Other than that you should loose nothing other than whatever apps you may have installed on the ROM your tinkering with.
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I was hoping to make a backup of my non rooted completely stock ROM. I don't see how to do that if first I have to root and flash CWM or another recovery to do the backup. I didn't see any way to do it from the stock recovery. I have looked to see if anyone has posted an zip image of stock non rooted but the only way I've seen to go back to stock is odin3. Is that correct and am I just wasting my time? I wanted that image so I could go back and update to the new stock ROMs as they come out to test drive and see if I want to use them. Just seems easier that way.
Thanks for your responses
I THINK someone posted a zip format of stock but your best bet would be Odin since you didn't make a backup before. I was wondering this a while back too.. Kinda surprised its not in such high demand..
Edit: are nandroid backups device specific? Can one nandroid backup be used for multiple phones? If it can, I'll flash Odin and post nandroid of stock later tonight
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WOW one of the most brutally honest statements I've seen here in a while. That's good. And yes it's all very confusing at times, even for non-noobs lol.
Answer-->once you have rooted and cwm or twrp installed make a nandroid of your system, you can restore this at any time. Once you install a rom and get it running how you want and want to try another rom make a nandroid of that one in recovery, you can go back by restoring it. You can do this in this way until your happy with what your running or you run out of storage.
One word of advice...nandroids are snapshots of how your phone is at that moment...any apps, texts, modifications after the nandroid wont be in it....but...a nandroid combined with my back up or titanium backup is great, nandroid for the system and my back up or titanium backup for texts, apps, call logs and such and you can switch back and forth or install a new rom and restore user apps and call logs, texts, ect without losing those. Remember don't back up system apps or system settings as those may mess up on a different rom, only back up user apps(those you've installed).
Hope this helps a little
BTW--> don't use ROM manager to flash anything other than the recovery. Boot into recovery and flash stuff manually. Also, I would suggest twrp recovery as both have issues with auto naming backups, but at least with twrp you can name it whatever you want before you make it.
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Titanium backup is a must. And pay for the app, its cheap and you support the developer.
Also, I've had better results with cwm. As soon as I make a backup to my SD card I boot into the ROM and change the filename.
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g2tegg said:
Titanium backup is a must. And pay for the app, its cheap and you support the developer.
Also, I've had better results with cwm. As soon as I make a backup to my SD card I boot into the ROM and change the filename.
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree titanium is not a "must" I've been using my backup pro for years without problems to make my backups. In my opinion its has a better more user friendly user interface with the same freeze/uninstall options. Also as a recovery twrp is gaining ground on cwm for its better options, one of which is renaming backups on the spot when you make it. Add in a file manger, terminal window, multiple flashes at once and many more options many think it is a better recovery. The way the newer cwm makes nandroids makes it very hard to delete individual nandroids, search cwm blobs for more info.
Also, check our mskips toolkit stickied in the dev section for a backup. You will need to be rooted but not to sure about the recovery. You may be able to do it with the stock recovery as I think it uses adb for pretty much everything it can. There is a way to make a backup on stock recovery through adb but you will need to be rooted, his toolkit will do that also.
What app do I use to back my phone up to do a complete restore to where it was pre-flash. TB only restores the apps and data but not the Launcher and the way i had everything set up pre-flash. Any help would be appreciated. thanks in advance.
Need to flash a recovery and do a nandroid. TWRP 2.6.3.7. Goo manager to flash the twrp.
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Need to flash a recovery and do a nandroid. TWRP 2.6.3.7. Too manager to flash the twrp.
sent from my sm-900t.
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Long been A fan but I just completed my first successful flash, and I used TWRP 2.6.3.1. So could you be a little more specific. I appreciate your help but I have been searching and there are explanations out there i just don't understand them. thanks again in advance.
I think 2.6.3.1 has been working for some people but I would recommend flashing .4rc2 or higher. I think all the kinks have been worked out since .4rc2. You need to hit backup and rmemeber what is ticked. Now untick that and backup efs first and store that separate and maybe even backup to sdcard or computer. Then go back and tick at least system and data for your nandroid. If you plan on flashing kernels, do boot.IMG too. Not sure about cache. I did it anyways for hahas my first backup. I don't know if you need to reset up your phone or not. And I think there have been problems with titbackup restores because of Samsung and Knox stuff. Need to read up in that for specifics. I've seen a couple custom kernel descriptions say their kernel fixes TB issues but like I said need to look around on your own as I don't really use TB. Had too many small issues so I manually cherry pick data I need and just start fresh each phone. Also been awhile since I've flashed anything because my note2 had insane chip so I didn't do anything crazy to trigger SDS. I spent all weekend researching recovery myself before I proceeded. Make sure you do the efs backup first!! In cade something bad happens youmight need that.
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@rbiter said:
i think 2.6.3.1 has been working for some people but i would recommend flashing .4rc2 or higher. I think all the kinks have been worked out since .4rc2. You need to hit backup and rmemeber what is ticked. Now untick that and backup efs first and store that separate and maybe even backup to sdcard or computer. Then go back and tick at least system and data for your nandroid. If you plan on flashing kernels, do boot.img too. Not sure about cache. I did it anyways for hahas my first backup. I don't know if you need to reset up your phone or not. And i think there have been problems with titbackup restores because of samsung and knox stuff. Need to read up in that for specifics. I've seen a couple custom kernel descriptions say their kernel fixes tb issues but like i said need to look around on your own as i don't really use tb. Had too many small issues so i manually cherry pick data i need and just start fresh each phone. Also been awhile since i've flashed anything because my note2 had insane chip so i didn't do anything crazy to trigger sds. I spent all weekend researching recovery myself before i proceeded. Make sure you do the efs backup first!! In cade something bad happens youmight need that.
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thank you so much!!!!
Thanks for this informative post.
Just to verify that it is recommended that we back up the EFS separately then backup the DATA/SYSTEM/BOOT partitions next? I would like to make sure that I will have everything needed just in case I/phone mess up somewhere along the line of flashing ROMS and themes. There seems to be more occurrences of boot-loops with the GN3 than there ever was with the GN2.
When restoring, I presume we just flash the backups then reboot as usual?
Thanks
Yeah. I backed up my efs first. Then backed up to my laptop. Then I backed up modem for haha's and to laptop. Then I backed up boot, system and data. If you don't wipe data when you're flashing around you should only need to flash boot and system. I haven't run into problems yet so I havent had to flash data. It's always been there and settings and apps have been fine.
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Hello, I recently rooted my wifes Note 2 that was on the latest OTA 4.3. Was not easy BTW. I did a back up in recovery of boot, system, and data. I figured I was good to go and start trying out other roms.
The first one I flashed was Macks Allstar 5.0 rom. Everything was great. Then my wife informed me that she did not have all of her contacts backed up to google and some were only saved to her phone. So then I figure I could just restore the original backup and extract the contacts and be able to install them to any rom.
Thats when everything went wrong. Everytime I tried restoring the back up,it would crash and recovery would do like a reboot. After many attempts I figured id try another version of recovery. After flashing many earlier versions of twrp and trying to restore, I finally was able to complete a restore from version 2.6. I was ecstatic. But then my heart sank again when boot always hangs on samsung logo. And that is where I'm stuck. I am able to flash other roms no problem but cant restore my original backup.
Needless to say my wife is ready to kill me.
Please if anyone could help me I would really appreciate it. I have searched throughout this forum and internet for hours and can not seem to find any help with this issue.
I am thankful to have been able to get this far with the help from the XDA community posts I never needed direct help even with prior phone rootings but this one has got me stumped. Thanks in advance
You need to flash Phil's recovery version 6.0.7.9. If you cant restore your backup with Phil's then I'm thinking you might be sol. Make sure you know where you saved the backup to. It's either on the phone's internal sd or external sd card. Choose the correct location in Phil's recovery and if it isn't corrupt it should work. You may also want to copy your backup onto your pc just in case because that's your only backup and doing a full wipe or odin restore could permanently delete it. Good luck.
tx_dbs_tx said:
You need to flash Phil's recovery version 6.0.7.9. If you cant restore your backup with Phil's then I'm thinking you might be sol. Make sure you know where you saved the backup to. It's either on the phone's internal sd or external sd card. Choose the correct location in Phil's recovery and if it isn't corrupt it should work. You may also want to copy your backup onto your pc just in case because that's your only backup and doing a full wipe or odin restore could permanently delete it. Good luck.
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Thank you for your reply. I am at work right now and left the phone with my wife with a working rom. I will try phils recovery when I get home. As far as backups, I have two copies. One on my SD card and the other on PC but if they're both fried I guess that negates my efforts in redundancy. It's hard to believe the backup got corrupt so quickly. I have another backup of the 2nd rom I flashed and that one wont install as well.
Is there something I am doing wrong? If the backup file is corrupt, is there a way to extract contacts seperately out of backup?
Method b.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2648855
My wife does that too. Sorry
ColeTrain! said:
Method b.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2648855
My wife does that too. Sorry
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Life of a married man. Haha!
Well, as my backup file was done with TWRP, I tried method B with TWRP recovery and it wont work so now I'm in the process of trying method A. Will update once I tried it.
I think my problem has to do with TWRP not playing friendly with 4.3 ROMS. If that is the case method A looks like it will work.:fingers-crossed:
alexandnen said:
Life of a married man. Haha!
Well, as my backup file was done with TWRP, I tried method B with TWRP recovery and it wont work so now I'm in the process of trying method A. Will update once I tried it.
I think my problem has to do with TWRP not playing friendly with 4.3 ROMS. If that is the case method A looks like it will work.:fingers-crossed:
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That's exactly right. Bootloader isn't playing well with TWRP recovery. Phil"s 6.0.7.9 seems to be compatible in most ROM vs bootloader situations. Don't use latest version of Phil's recovery as it doesn't work as well and most people recommend this as well.
If Phil's recovery won't flash your restore then Odin all the way back to stock unrooted LK8 ROM then root it with the Toolkit and flash TWRP from the toolkit at the same time. Then see if you can restore at that point.
Looks like this project has come to an end. My wife likes her new rom and doesn't want to let me work on her phone anymore. She was able to get most of her contacts back I will make sure she backs her contacts to google and I will try to convince her to install Titanium backup to backup all her app data.
Unfortunately all I have is a work issued iphone that I have no interest in jailbreaking. I really don't see the point.
I am still confident that I could have eventually restored her backup successfully with the help here.
Thank you tx_dbx_tx and coletrain for your help.