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Anyone knw when android might be ported to be used on WP7? I plan on getting a Samsung Focus instead of The Captivate so i can get the best of both world, WP7 and Android (if it happens)
Not happening anytime soon.
1. No unlock yet
2. Brand new coding that has to be deciphered
3. Most people buying this phone don't want android
Buy a bloody android phone if you want android!!!!
Good luck getting the device drivers.from MS.
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What's the point? Aren't WP7 phones and Android phones based on the same hardware ?
android on sd is never going to happen .
and nand maybe when there are phones with way better hardware ( what is the point to port android to a phone with same hardware as hd2)
personally I hope android is never coming to a wp7 phone .
Are you kidding me? if you want android go buy an android phone...... thats like, buying an iphone and hoping someone ports WP7 to it. go buy an android phone.....seriously.....
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ShadowLegion said:
Anyone knw when android might be ported to be used on WP7? I plan on getting a Samsung Focus instead of The Captivate so i can get the best of both world, WP7 and Android (if it happens)
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I don't see any reason for Android on a WP7 device. That would be like a downgrade.
I think it would be great for apps that have not been released. I would be lost w/o out logmein. There are prob some people out there like me that would love to run wm7 and jump to the android os form time to time to do things like that.
I've decided to abandon Android on my HD2 altogether now. There's just too many problems or bugginess with it that it just isn't as good as a nice Energy build of WinMo. All of the work they've done with Android over the months and there's still just not fit for use. Currently the best one I've found is the eVo Carbon Remix build by motoman234. But it's a Sense build and I prefer the more convenient Nexus-based builds. However, ALL of the Nexus-based builds are unusable with the number of widgets I use. And the ONLY Nexus-based build that stayed smooth scrolling with all of my widgets in place was NexusHD2. It has a touchscreen problem where the touch is intermittent.
I just can't see Android being of any use for the WP7 devices. It would never be as usable as WP7.
Quality is perception and experience, not fact.
They are not the same other than they can use the same hardware. They should not be combined. Port the program, not the os.
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I work for a company developing/testing s/w for all mobile devices. I have access to all OS's and I can honestly say that IMO Windows Phone has the nicest user experience and all its lacking are features. Its only been out a week or two so give it time for the bugs to be fixed, features added and the App store to mature and it will be a cracking OS.
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Thank you
MartyLK said:
I've decided to abandon Android on my HD2 altogether now. There's just too many problems or bugginess with it that it just isn't as good as a nice Energy build of WinMo. All of the work they've done with Android over the months and there's still just not fit for use. Currently the best one I've found is the eVo Carbon Remix build by motoman234. But it's a Sense build and I prefer the more convenient Nexus-based builds. However, ALL of the Nexus-based builds are unusable with the number of widgets I use. And the ONLY Nexus-based build that stayed smooth scrolling with all of my widgets in place was NexusHD2. It has a touchscreen problem where the touch is intermittent.
I just can't see Android being of any use for the WP7 devices. It would never be as usable as WP7.
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I gave up on custom roms altogether two years ago for the same reason. WinMo or Android, there was always at least a handful of huge bugs and/or unacceptable instability and/or limitations and/or stuff that didn't work. I wouldn't say there will NEVER be some alternative OS on these phones and I certainly wouldn't be so pompous to say that there shouldn't be some alternative OS available for those who might want it, but personally, given the speed and flexibility of these devices even now and all the afforementioned problems, I don't think I could really care less. Frankly, if I wanted an Android phone I'd have gotten one but after being spoiled by the iPhone for two years and given all the problems I've had with HTC devices in the past, I have zero interest. Fortunately, everyone is different.
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I gave up on custom roms altogether two years ago for the same reason. WinMo or Android, there was always at least a handful of huge bugs and/or unacceptable instability and/or limitations and/or stuff that didn't work. I wouldn't say there will NEVER be some alternative OS on these phones and I certainly wouldn't be so pompous to say that there shouldn't be some alternative OS available for those who might want it, but personally, given the speed and flexibility of these devices even now and all the afforementioned problems, I don't think I could really care less. Frankly, if I wanted an Android phone I'd have gotten one but after being spoiled by the iPhone for two years and given all the problems I've had with HTC devices in the past, I have zero interest. Fortunately, everyone is different.
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The custom winmo ROMs are a different story to me. There are a lot of varieties available, and I have used a few, but by far the most reliable, stable and interesting of them are the Energy ROMs. I have zero problems using the one I use and it is fast, nimble and efficient. It doesn't require the constant maintenance the OEM ROM required in order to stay smooth and useful.
Before I flashed my first custom winmo on my HD2, I didn't believe guys sitting at their PCs doing these as a hobby could match or exceed a corporation who's workers were doing it for a living. But this one has shown me differently.
Android just doesn't interest me any longer, ever since using an actual Android phone for a few days. I just lost all drive to mess with it now that I have WP7. WP7 isn't any kind of a customizer's system but it is a system that is clean, smooth and exudes quality from every circuit. Android is like a mid-grade Ford sedan compared to WP7, which is more akin to a high-end Lexus or Infiniti.
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The custom winmo ROMs are a different story to me. There are a lot of varieties available, and I have used a few, but by far the most reliable, stable and interesting of them are the Energy ROMs. I have zero problems using the one I use and it is fast, nimble and efficient. It doesn't require the constant maintenance the OEM ROM required in order to stay smooth and useful.
Before I flashed my first custom winmo on my HD2, I didn't believe guys sitting at their PCs doing these as a hobby could match or exceed a corporation who's workers were doing it for a living. But this one has shown me differently.
Android just doesn't interest me any longer, ever since using an actual Android phone for a few days. I just lost all drive to mess with it now that I have WP7. WP7 isn't any kind of a customizer's system but it is a system that is clean, smooth and exudes quality from every circuit. Android is like a mid-grade Ford sedan compared to WP7, which is more akin to a high-end Lexus or Infiniti.
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car analogies + ford using windows = lol
the lexus steers itself into a parking spot, so you don't have to think. or learn. or try new things. ;-)
anyway....
i think you would be much better off to use an android device, or iphone for taht matter when trying things with android. the wp7 devices will likely be very, very closed, very locked down, and very not fun to develop on. we're talking about developing anything other than wp7 here, so if someone flames that comment, you didn't read the entire bit.
the wp7 phone i played with @ bestbuy was very smooth (no multi-tasking) and did the very few things it did very well. only hung up when i tried to sms myself, and a reboot (i think this might be standard) fixed it quickly.
the hardware of the wp7 phones isn't going to be exactly like Android devices, and some bits will just never have drivers. unfortunately, this is a similar fate that we've been suffereing from with carriers in the US for a long time. they sell a phone, locked to their service, locked to their GSM bands, locked (no root) to their rom, and then when things go sour they expect you to just buy ANOTHER phone from them.
i'm casting a vote for open hardware, open OS's, and open information. wp7 is still very immature, and will gain some speed with enough time. hopefully some Android centric device manufacturers will release specs and drivers for anyone to play with. i'll bet it takes another 4-5 years before people realize just how much better things can be by allowing instead of limiting themselves.
give it time, you'll be able to emulate iphone hardware on the 3rd core of your wp8 device, or Android on the 2nd, all whiel playing a game AND facetime'ing your vbff.
hell, we didn't htink we'd be shooting HD video on phones not long ago ;-)
See, here's the problem; you assume we're just ignorant end users who haven't seen the light about android and open software and all that and it's an incorrect assumption. As a developer I've worked with tons of devices over the years and I know exactly what I want in a phone and Android isn't it. iPhone filled the position for a while but that's not it any longer, also. WP7 looks to be exactly what I want in a phone and it's going to get better. Oh...and I might also add that while I haven't had a lot of experience with it as a developer yet, it's been a blast to work with. Probably more so than the iPhone where I constantly had problems with certs and having to make sure I had the right version of OS, iTunes, XCode and iOS target and whatever other hoops needed to be jumped. It's as much fun as your imagination allows and my wife says I have a pretty good imagination.
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See, here's the problem; you assume we're just ignorant end users who haven't seen the light about android and open software and all that and it's an incorrect assumption. As a developer I've worked with tons of devices over the years and I know exactly what I want in a phone and Android isn't it. iPhone filled the position for a while but that's not it any longer, also. WP7 looks to be exactly what I want in a phone and it's going to get better. Oh...and I might also add that while I haven't had a lot of experience with it as a developer yet, it's been a blast to work with. Probably more so than the iPhone where I constantly had problems with certs and having to make sure I had the right version of OS, iTunes, XCode and iOS target and whatever other hoops needed to be jumped. It's as much fun as your imagination allows and my wife says I have a pretty good imagination.
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Look at WP7 market now, there is even a thread here started - it is already filled with junk.
Anyway, since you are a developer reach out to MS and suggest what you would like to see in the market, and what you would like them to offer to the users.
Happy anniversary, btw.
ohgood said:
car analogies + ford using windows = lol
the lexus steers itself into a parking spot, so you don't have to think. or learn. or try new things. ;-)
anyway....
i think you would be much better off to use an android device, or iphone for taht matter when trying things with android. the wp7 devices will likely be very, very closed, very locked down, and very not fun to develop on. we're talking about developing anything other than wp7 here, so if someone flames that comment, you didn't read the entire bit.
the wp7 phone i played with @ bestbuy was very smooth (no multi-tasking) and did the very few things it did very well. only hung up when i tried to sms myself, and a reboot (i think this might be standard) fixed it quickly.
the hardware of the wp7 phones isn't going to be exactly like Android devices, and some bits will just never have drivers. unfortunately, this is a similar fate that we've been suffereing from with carriers in the US for a long time. they sell a phone, locked to their service, locked to their GSM bands, locked (no root) to their rom, and then when things go sour they expect you to just buy ANOTHER phone from them.
i'm casting a vote for open hardware, open OS's, and open information. wp7 is still very immature, and will gain some speed with enough time. hopefully some Android centric device manufacturers will release specs and drivers for anyone to play with. i'll bet it takes another 4-5 years before people realize just how much better things can be by allowing instead of limiting themselves.
give it time, you'll be able to emulate iphone hardware on the 3rd core of your wp8 device, or Android on the 2nd, all whiel playing a game AND facetime'ing your vbff.
hell, we didn't htink we'd be shooting HD video on phones not long ago ;-)
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Here's the thing...from my perspective...I like closed systems. Simple as that. But WP7 is a closed system with high-end quality. I love the iPhone and will grow even fonder of WP7 as it matures, providing MS stays with a closed system and maintains the emphasis on quality over quantity.
I've had my fill of Android and all it offers. I just...erm...it's...boring, to me. It gives me the feel of a used up hooker. It's been in every bed known to humanity.
OK I currently have a Samsung Fascinate, and im starting to get fed up with android and there horribly slow update time frame, and the bugs with this phone i wanna like it but for some reason i cant seem to.But i think what the problem is with android is that its so open and so many phone makers are making android phone these days and so fast its to much to kepp them all updated with the newest software version. And i have had a droid eris, droid incredible, a droid x, and now the samsung fascinate, and none of them seem to satisfy me. So my question to you guys is would it be worth switching from android to win7 when verizon gets some win 7 models this spring.
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OK I currently have a Samsung Fascinate, and im starting to get fed up with android and there horribly slow update time frame, and the bugs with this phone i wanna like it but for some reason i cant seem to.But i think what the problem is with android is that its so open and so many phone makers are making android phone these days and so fast its to much to kepp them all updated with the newest software version. And i have had a droid eris, droid incredible, a droid x, and now the samsung fascinate, and none of them seem to satisfy me. So my question to you guys is would it be worth switching from android to win7 when verizon gets some win 7 models this spring.
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It all depends on what you want in a phone. I can only speak for myself about why I choose WP7 over the others, and that is because I prefer quality over quantity. For me, WP7 is the best mobile OS ever created. It has fine craftsmanship and superb quality written all over. It is a product that was labored over for a long time to make it the best it can be, regarding functionality, ease of operation, simplicity and quality of user experience. That is what I like. I'm attracted to effort from the heart. Like artwork, where the artist pours his/her self into what they create. WP7 is exactly that.
Do other systems currently have more features than WP7? Yes. But I was fully aware of the setup from the git-go. I knew a lot of features would be temporarily absent when I bought my HD7. But the good news is, there's an update scheduled for Jan that is *rumored* to be massive and provide so much more functionality that it will seem like WP8.
Compared to automobiles, WP7 is more akin to a Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Infiniti, whereas the other systems are more akin to ordinary cars. The world's leading software makers, who made Windows 7, which is the best and fastest selling PC OS in history and massively praised from every corner of the spectrum, have put together the world's best mobile OS in WP7.
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It all depends on what you want in a phone. I can only speak for myself about why I choose WP7 over the others, and that is because I prefer quality over quantity. For me, WP7 is the best mobile OS ever created. It has fine craftsmanship and superb quality written all over. It is a product that was labored over for a long time to make it the best it can be, regarding functionality, ease of operation, simplicity and quality of user experience. That is what I like. I'm attracted to effort from the heart. Like artwork, where the artist pours his/her self into what they create. WP7 is exactly that.
Do other systems currently have more features than WP7? Yes. But I was fully aware of the setup from the git-go. I knew a lot of features would be temporarily absent when I bought my HD7. But the good news is, there's an update scheduled for Jan that is *rumored* to be massive and provide so much more functionality that it will seem like WP8.
Compared to automobiles, WP7 is more akin to a Mercedes Benz or Lexus or Infiniti, whereas the other systems are more akin to ordinary cars. The world's leading software makers, who made Windows 7, which is the best and fastest selling PC OS in history and massively praised from every corner of the spectrum, have put together the world's best mobile OS in WP7.
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The car analogy is a good one, I like android but it is like a fully loaded Ford (no disrespect) whereas WP7 is like a Ferrari, it oozes quality and design integrity, just doesn't have all the "toys" yet, but it will do.
just to add to that, i think if you give it a couple of months, play the wait and see game. there is a lot of hype around the first update, and althrough i have already jumped on the windows phone 7 bandwagon, i would suggest that if you're in no real rush, wait till the update comes out, and then compare windows phone to android, and ensure that it has all that you desire in a phone. and if it doesn't, are you willing to give up these things for what you may not have in android (e.g. uniformity, battery life [maybe?], and stability).
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just to add to that, i think if you give it a couple of months, play the wait and see game. There is a lot of hype around the first update, and althrough i have already jumped on the windows phone 7 bandwagon, i would suggest that if you're in no real rush, wait till the update comes out, and then compare windows phone to android, and ensure that it has all that you desire in a phone. And if it doesn't, are you willing to give up these things for what you may not have in android (e.g. Uniformity, battery life [maybe?], and stability).
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android is not very stable
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If, as you say, you'll be waiting until Spring, then you'll already have the first update, maybe even a second one, and the biggest missing features will be there, so I'd say, go for it.
Well i think im going to switch once verizon gets a win7 phone that i like. You guys were very helpful and i think i will like windows alot better once i pick one up and use one, android has just become to aggravating for me lol.
87jason said:
Well i think im going to switch once verizon gets a win7 phone that i like. You guys were very helpful and i think i will like windows alot better once i pick one up and use one, android has just become to aggravating for me lol.
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If you haven't, I'd say go to an at&t or t-mobile store and try it out. I'm a 6.5 to 7 convert who's also used android and 7 is a blast to use. As it's been said, if this January update does come on time and does the fixes they're hyping, it might be the best OS out there.
In Poland WP7 is upcoming soon.....
I also have a Samsung Fascinate - with the help of the devs here on XDA it is a very usable phone running leaked Android 2.2 builds (and the official update appears to be finally coming out today or tomorrow).
That said, I would shell out a few bucks to Microsoft for a version of WP7 that could be installed on the Fascinate...
Wishful thinking, I realize... particularly being on a CDMA carrier - but I gotta wonder why there aren't devices being offered that can run a choice of OSes.
I suspect there are a number of GSM phones out there running Android on hardware that could support WP7 (and vis-versa). the economics and support hurdles of such an offering obviously make the ODMs and carriers shy away from this idea, but for the population of mobile device enthusiasts who hang out on forums like this, it would be a pretty cool selling point for a phone to be able to run WP7 or Android.
[EDIT] I just searched a bit and saw that XDA folks have done an Android-or-WP7 dual boot config on the HTC HD2... How's that working out?
ohhh, this is an interesting thread a few months later !
Any good "dual-bootable" (WP7 + Android) hardware out there?
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ohhh, this is an interesting thread a few months later !
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Yeah - perhaps I should've started a new thread for the dual-boot question - sort of changed the topic.
I have an HD2 and before Android was fully ported over there were tons of Windows Mobile 6.5 ROMS to choose from. I am planning on selling my HD2 and possibly getting a HD7 but first wanted to get some input from you all. Right now I am running WP7 on my HD2 but really want to get an actual phone that runs WP7. So before I jump in to the WP7 scene I was wondering where do you all see the WP7 development in the short future? Mainly with custom ROMS and apps. Would you say it will probably follow the same path as 6.5 because as of now it looks pretty bad? Thanks guys!
When they make it possible to do real development/testing without shelling out $99/yr, I'll look into it.
Microsoft's development tools are second to none, but the API situation is just unacceptable right now. Marketplace is full of redundant crap, and that largely because the base platform is not done yet.
It really depends on what you want to develop, though...
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When they make it possible to do real development/testing without shelling out $99/yr, I'll look into it.
Microsoft's development tools are second to none, but the API situation is just unacceptable right now. Marketplace is full of redundant crap, and that largely because the base platform is not done yet.
It really depends on what you want to develop, though...
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Mango development kits are going out to developers next month. You do know that, right?
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Mango development kits are going out to developers next month. You do know that, right?
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I'm fully aware, and while that helps develop some apps, it won't help users get them on their phones because they won't have Mango for another ~month.
Nor will it help me use my device for development without paying a $99 premium (the walled garden model is a bit disingenuous to developers, IMO).
Also, next month != now Especially for a bunch of APIs that shouldn't have been missing to begin with, Lol.
The OP asked about the future, so clearly, next month is part of the near future, right? You just need to bring your pessimistic venom in here too, huh.
To the OP, as far as ROMs go, WP7 wasn't designed with that in mind, and to be honest, you really don't need custom ROMs, as they really wouldn't add anything. The UI, as I'm sure even people like N8ter would agree, is second to none in terms of efficiency, and with time, the features will greatly increase (like the Mango live tiles, the concept of Nokia 3D tiles). Where in WM6.5 we NEEDED to flash to make the phone usable, we don't need that with WP7.
As for apps, as of now, the apps are pushing the allowed apis to their limits for the most part. Microsoft was pretty shelled with their apis on the initial release, and that was due to missing functionality. With the Mango api, you'll see a slew of apps hit the marketplace, big named apps such as Skype to be more specific as the platform will flash much more impressive features. In the next month and a half to two months we'll get an idea as to what ideas will start forming with these new apis, but look for the releases to be huge.
Games are about to take off in an even bigger way too, with big names like Hydro Thunder and Angry Birds starting to come out, and I see more coming with time, and available features.
With that being said, I suggest you try the phone out for yourself, as it isn't for everybody. If you're somebody who insists on having a registry editor just *because* you feel the need to look at one, then this isn't for you. Or if you feel you need full device control for absolutely no reason, this isn't for you. But if you enjoy a phone that just works, and does what it's currently capable of extremely well, then you've got a winner.
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I'm fully aware, and while that helps develop some apps, it won't help users get them on their phones because they won't have Mango for another ~month.
Nor will it help me use my device for development without paying a $99 premium (the walled garden model is a bit disingenuous to developers, IMO).
Also, next month != now Especially for a bunch of APIs that shouldn't have been missing to begin with, Lol.
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dreamspark...
Thanks guys for the info! Like I said, I am running WP7 on my HD2 right now because the whole Android hype wore out on me. I am loving it right now but as updates are getting harder and taking longer to port over I just see it easier to get an actual WP7 phone. This is exactly what I wanted to hear since I was traumatized with the lack WM 6.5 apps, especially good ones.
So from what I read it looks like in the next couple of weeks and months WP7 is definitely going to take off. So long Android!!
Wp7 is pretty stable for everyday use. Its just missing some features, but to a normal everyday usage you won't miss them. Even with the nodo update I still don't use copy and paste. But if you're into total control and customization you should stick with an Android phone.
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I don't think we need custom roms.
All they did was speed up the system etc. They were needed on WM because it sucked and on Android to remove bloatware, custom firmwares, speed it up etc.
WP7 doesn't need Speeding Up and there's no Bloatware or anything like that to remove. I don't see what a custom rom would achieve.
i think there is no realy need for curstom roms, too. There is a need for some missing features which will come and i dont think they can be done on homebrew way.
App situation at the moment is a bit limited and with mango this will get much better (for example -> photosynth), so i think, the real app "explosion" at wp7 market comes with mango (and nokia market start)
My opinion
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dreamspark...
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I'm not a college student. Dreamspark doesn't exist to me.
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Nor will it help me use my device for development without paying a $99 premium (the walled garden model is a bit disingenuous to developers, IMO).
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Better get used to it because this won't change. Apple has been doing this with great success so I don't see this going away.
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Better get used to it because this won't change. Apple has been doing this with great success so I don't see this going away.
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I don't expect it to go away. I just code for Android instead.
This isnt a knock against the Nexus, but somewhat against ICS in general. There are more than a few apps that are unavailable to me to download that I purchased previous to getting the Nexus. Navigon navigation being one of them, is unavailable to get from play store. There are a few others, too, a motorcycle game I wanted to buy just now isn't available for my Nexus. This is I think one of the very few pros of owning an apple product. If the app worked on ios 4, it will work on ios 5, and if it doesnt, an update is issued soon there after.
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This isnt a knock against the Nexus, but somewhat against ICS in general. There are more than a few apps that are unavailable to me to download that I purchased previous to getting the Nexus. Navigon navigation being one of them, is unavailable to get from play store. There are a few others, too, a motorcycle game I wanted to buy just now isn't available for my Nexus. This is I think one of the very few pros of owning an apple product. If the app worked on ios 4, it will work on ios 5, and if it doesnt, an update is issued soon there after.
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Blame the developer for not updating it then?
Alternatively, go to the web store and try to install it that way.
The app developers haven't updated their apps yet. If you think about it it's to be expected. How many phones are running ICS out there compared to gingerbread?
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The app developers haven't updated their apps yet. If you think about it it's to be expected. How many phones are running ICS out there compared to gingerbread?
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Or those with 720p screens?
OK, I guess that is the more correct direction to point the finger, the app developers, but I think google should lien on the developers some to get the apps working correctly, especially the big $$ ones. I have side loaded the Navigon app and its all messed up on ICS.
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OK, I guess that is the more correct direction to point the finger, the app developers, but I think google should lien on the developers some to get the apps working correctly, especially the big $$ ones. I have side loaded the Navigon app and its all messed up on ICS.
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Google can't force developers to keep their apps updated though. That said, the play store says it has ICS updates. It is more likely a resolution issue.
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I dont think the screen res is as big a deal at this point, there are several oddball size screens that apps look fine on. Droid X was one, 480X854, and everything was fine on it. Plus there are several 720P phones out there now.
Also on the Navigon app, its the voice that was messed up, studdering and repeating itself over and over.
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I dont think the screen res is as big a deal at this point, there are several oddball size screens that apps look fine on. Droid X was one, 480X854, and everything was fine on it. Plus there are several 720P phones out there now.
Also on the Navigon app, its the voice that was messed up, studdering and repeating itself over and over.
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Do those 720p devices have support?
480x854 isn't an oddball resolution; a good chunk of Motorola handsets and some Sony as well use this resolution.
http://androidcheck.com/listing/resolution/480x854/
Well, again to go back to the Navigon app, reading on the play store it seems to work on the HTC Rezound ok,...
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google should lien on the developers
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Like, take their houses and stuff?
Sorry, couldn't help it.
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This is true, I forgot to mention that.
It's easy for apple to make it easy because they've had the same screen size and resolution for over 2 years now, going on 3 if they don't change it up this summer.
I'm sorry, but blaming the developers is a far cry from the truth...
Lets face it, Google doesn't even prioritize developers... While iOS developers have access to preview versions of the next iOS, to start to debug in advance, that work on the latest available generation iDevice, google doesn't do that... So, while iOS developers had many months to debug and test and fix their apps (and at the same time, they did not have to buy a new phone), most developers need to wait until the first phone with the new Android O/S is released, and then it is like running against the time, as you need to grab a new phone, bla bla bla... And no, an emulator doesn't really help you with games and other apps that are high performance...
It is a shame that some big companies like E.A. seems to get no interest into the Galaxy Nexus (as the lack of good games like Real Racing 2, Peggle, PvsZ is astonishing for a multi million dollar company), but, as far as most developers are concerned, it is not fair to compare iOS and Android. One tries to give all the tools so the developers are ready for the launch, the other, meh... Gives close to nothing and all you earn is a big surprise with a new O/S where some things you were used to use doesn't work, and it is up to you to grab a new device, specifically when it was already launched and you have dozens of angry consumers telling that you suck...
I have a friend who is an Android developer and somehow has managed to keep device compatibility with each OS release without ever owning the device.
So interesting theory, but it is at least partially a BS copout. Especially in this thread, where ICS updates have been made to the program, and yet the GN has been out since November and has no support. That is of no fault from Google.
Also, developers that are not willing to spend money, to make money, suck anyway. I think Navigon can afford some Galaxy Nexus devices.
HinotoriBR said:
I'm sorry, but blaming the developers is a far cry from the truth...
Lets face it, Google doesn't even prioritize developers... While iOS developers have access to preview versions of the next iOS, to start to debug in advance, that work on the latest available generation iDevice, google doesn't do that... So, while iOS developers had many months to debug and test and fix their apps (and at the same time, they did not have to buy a new phone), most developers need to wait until the first phone with the new Android O/S is released, and then it is like running against the time, as you need to grab a new phone, bla bla bla... And no, an emulator doesn't really help you with games and other apps that are high performance...
It is a shame that some big companies like E.A. seems to get no interest into the Galaxy Nexus (as the lack of good games like Real Racing 2, Peggle, PvsZ is astonishing for a multi million dollar company), but, as far as most developers are concerned, it is not fair to compare iOS and Android. One tries to give all the tools so the developers are ready for the launch, the other, meh... Gives close to nothing and all you earn is a big surprise with a new O/S where some things you were used to use doesn't work, and it is up to you to grab a new device, specifically when it was already launched and you have dozens of angry consumers telling that you suck...
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I have a friend who is an Android developer and somehow has managed to keep device compatibility with each OS release without ever owning the device.
So interesting theory, but it is at least partially a BS copout. Especially in this thread, where ICS updates have been made to the program, and yet the GN has been out since November and has no support.
Also, developers that are not willing to spend money, to make money, suck anyway. I think Navigon can afford some Galaxy Nexus devices.
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I can see both POVs for sure. I will always hate EA, they refuse to update their apps, REFUSE to, and WILL NOT respond to any email. I dont buy anything from EA on ANY console/device, that includes sports games. Anyways back on topic: If we were still within the first month or two of ICS launch then I would agree that we need to give the devs more time to work this out, but since we are not.. I say it is absolutely, at this point, the devs fault for not updating his/her app(s). I know there are some devs that are still currently struggling to get their apps updated and doing it without an ICS device, but personally I think its been enough time. Although better late than never. One app that comes to mind, and I mentioned this on another thread the other day, is WiFi Status! That was always a favorite app of mine, very simple, just if your WiFi is on but your not connected to a network it puts a symbol in your notif bar so you remember to turn it off.. How hard can it possibly be to update that!? That surely isn't Google's fault, its the devs.
It pains me to see this wonderful project die out so quickly. I feel as if there is a way but the motivation to find is close to zero. I have taken it upon myself to call all lumia and windows experts to revive this project as it will lead to many great things in the future. I am offering $200 to each developer who is willing to make android a reality on lumia devices. I have researched the little progress we have made and feel that the n9 is very similar to our device. This means we can change and use there ports to our advantage.
Please I'm calling all devs to help in this task!
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It pains me to see this wonderful project die out so quickly. I feel as if there is a way but the motivation to find is close to zero. I have taken it upon myself to call all lumia and windows experts to revive this project as it will lead to many great things in the future. I am offering $200 to each developer who is willing to make android a reality on lumia devices. I have researched the little progress we have made and feel that the n9 is very similar to our device. This means we can change and use there ports to our advantage.
Please I'm calling all devs to help in this task!
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Let me ask you one simple thing: Why?
Why do you want to have Android running on a Lumia WP7 device? If you want Android, than simply by an Android phone. Or go and by a Nokia N9 and Install Andoid JellyBean Alpha 5 (i think this is the latest release).
I have Android running on my Nokia N9, and it's nice, and respekt to the developers, but it's not stable, not everything is working and maybe it will be like on the N900, stuck in alpha or beta state, because of issues no one could see in the beginning...
N9 has 1GB RAM, Lumia800 has only half of that... Do you really think Android is running smooth on a Device less than 1GB RAM?
I don't.
Another thing i thought about:
Android can only run on Nokia N9 with dual boot. I don't think we have the way to install dual boot on any WP7 devices. Even though we have full unlock now (respekt to ultrashot at this point!!! )...
Another thing: The Hardware of Lumia phones is great for WP7. But only for WP7. For every other system, it's way too weak.
I wish it wasn't so. If there is anyone out there who can help I'm waiting. I really like android but I can't find the n9 anywhere where I live and it's price is way to high.
Seriously, better spend your 200$ into an Android device, there are enough out there that will suit your needs. It doesn't make sense to spend 200 bucks for a port/OS that isn't designed for the Lumia. Also 512MB RAM is maybe really too low for current Android versions.
I agree... Take your Lumia, sell it, use the money with your $200 to buy the Android phone you want and stop Trolling the Windows Phone threads... It's not possable right now on ANY WP7/WP7.5 device.
And no, I dont think any one is doing it nor cares to...
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I agree... Take your Lumia, sell it, use the money with your $200 to buy the Android phone you want and stop Trolling the Windows Phone threads... It's not possable right now on ANY WP7/WP7.5 device.
And no, I dont think any one is doing it nor cares to...
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Dude, you really need to chill. Who died and made you God? If the man wants to port Android on a Lumia or a toaster, let's see if we can help him. It's what makes these communities work.
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Dude, you really need to chill. Who died and made you God? If the man wants to port Android on a Lumia or a toaster, let's see if we can help him. It's what makes these communities work.
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Unless you are a developer who would do it, I don't see how this $200/developer offer really is sane? Ok, I undersand as a hobby and to learn and develop this is fantastic. BUT it is as good as "port Jelly Bean on iPhone 5 please!" - unrealistic.
If I had as much money as the OP, trust me, I would own an iPhone 5 and pre-order the Lumia 920 and HTC 8X and then get the new Nexus!
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Unless you are a developer who would do it, I don't see how this $200/developer offer really is sane? Ok, I undersand as a hobby and to learn and develop this is fantastic. BUT it is as good as "port Jelly Bean on iPhone 5 please!" - unrealistic.
If I had as much money as the OP, trust me, I would own an iPhone 5 and pre-order the Lumia 920 and HTC 8X and then get the new Nexus!
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That wasn't the point. Poor guy gets flamed by some entitled little snot when he/she is asking a legitimate question. I don't know if it can be done or not, the point is maybe someone reading this does know and can offer help. We were ALL noobs once.
No need to be rude here, but porting Android to Lumia 710 just doesnt make any sense. If you want Android just buy Android device.
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No need to be rude here, but porting Android to Lumia 710 just doesnt make any sense. If you want Android just buy Android device.
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Last time I checked this was xda DEVELOPERS. Porting an OS into a device with a completely different arrangement is how innovation is fostered. The whole Open WebOS project is based on that philosophy. Porting Android on the HP TouchPad, the HTC HD2 and others would never have happened if someone didn't first get a wild hair up his a$$. I encourage this idea no matter how crazy it sounds. You never know what you may discover while you're on that path.
Thanks guys for the support and I enjoy the criticism. I just think this phone has potential I didn't mean to anger anybody. I though this forum was for devs who make magic happen on phones that's why I posted this thread. Anyways the lk bootloader is already been installed on this device and fastboot is operational. The only thing in the way is something to do with LCD drivers so it's not a fantasy its close to realistic. Search it on google for yourself. There is github set for this device with the files and installing bootloader is as easy as copying and pasting the bootloader into a certain folder.
I am agreeance with everyone else if you have $200 to burn, buy an Android device
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Last time I checked this was xda DEVELOPERS. Porting an OS into a device with a completely different arrangement is how innovation is fostered. The whole Open WebOS project is based on that philosophy. Porting Android on the HP TouchPad, the HTC HD2 and others would never have happened if someone didn't first get a wild hair up his a$$. I encourage this idea no matter how crazy it sounds. You never know what you may discover while you're on that path.
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Yes this is XdaDEVELOPERS, but the real point here is that the OP wants Android to he's device and is now offering $200 for the port. Ok, it is not because he wants to do it just for the fun, he wants Android. At the same time he says he doesnt have money to buy N9. Now spending $200 for this just doesnt make sense. IF with a ****load of work people would succeed on this, most likely it would be very buggy and missing functionality, at least for a very long time. It is only right that people tell the OP that he is way better off on just buying an Android device than thinking about porting.
I would see this differently if the OP would be here saying look guys, I have ****load of money and I offer $xxx if someone can port Android to Lumia just for the fun of it and see if its possible. In this case of course, this is XdaDEVELOPERS and I wouldnt even comment, just be following can someone really do it.
I also assume that $200 + selling the Lumia would enable the OP to buy a GOOD Android device. Most importantly everything would be working...
EDIT: With quick search I see NEW 16GB SGS II:s for 350€ at eBay.de... Dont know if thats the cheapest, or SGSII best bang for the buck at Android, but Im sure you couldnt go wrong with that if you want that OS.
Here in Italy you can get a Galaxy Nexus for 279€ in some malls.
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Yes this is XdaDEVELOPERS, but the real point here is that the OP wants Android to he's device and is now offering $200 for the port. Ok, it is not because he wants to do it just for the fun, he wants Android. At the same time he says he doesnt have money to buy N9. Now spending $200 for this just doesnt make sense. IF with a ****load of work people would succeed on this, most likely it would be very buggy and missing functionality, at least for a very long time. It is only right that people tell the OP that he is way better off on just buying an Android device than thinking about porting.
I would see this differently if the OP would be here saying look guys, I have ****load of money and I offer $xxx if someone can port Android to Lumia just for the fun of it and see if its possible. In this case of course, this is XdaDEVELOPERS and I wouldnt even comment, just be following can someone really do it.
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Huh? Buggy and missing functionality is the title of most unofficial Android builds yet people flock to them. A buzz is created and more often than not, bug fixes start cropping up. I'll give you a perfect example. My old Droid Pro had an unofficial CM build for it, but it was based on the Droid 2. My present Droid X has a ton of unofficial builds but none of them work properly. I like the ICS theme a lot but I need my phone to function properly.
It's very easy to just say "buy and Android device and save the $200" then tell that same person to flash a buggy, incomplete ROM and look to the community for help. Obviously the OP prefers Nokia products, and deservedly so, and doesn't want a plasticky Samsung or anything from HTC.
I do not wish to purchase a new android device as I'm under contract as well as I do not feel like going through the hassle of selling my phone (not very popular in USA anymore). And I wanted this port for fun my life didn't depend on getting this port or something. I just feel that we are very close to getting android and trying just a little harder might get it for us. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who wants this port. There are others out there as well who do not have the money to buy an android phone. As you guys said I could easily buy an android phone but I want this for the community not just me.
By the way 275 euros is 400 dollars and 325 euros is like 500 dollars
Everyone who says that "if you have money to offer for devs to try porting android to your wp7, why not try to buy android phone if you want it" is right. But for me, running a different OS on a device/mobile made with specific OS is very cool :fingers-crossed:
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I do not wish to purchase a new android device as I'm under contract as well as I do not feel like going through the hassle of selling my phone (not very popular in USA anymore). And I wanted this port for fun my life didn't depend on getting this port or something. I just feel that we are very close to getting android and trying just a little harder might get it for us. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who wants this port. There are others out there as well who do not have the money to buy an android phone. As you guys said I could easily buy an android phone but I want this for the community not just me.
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You're right. Everyone who are against your idea are just being practical. I don't disagree with them because they are right but i got this unexplained feeling on porting different OS in a specific device/mobile. I do have HD7 and I also want it to be able to run in android OS. It's really cool if it can be done by devs.
I seriously doubt that if Android is succesfully ported to Lumia everything would work... Wlan, bluetooth etc etc... Im sure it would take a lot of time to get it running fully, if ever. Also as brought up here earlier the fact that the 710 has 512mb of ram is going to be an issue with the latest Android builds.
I hope you get the port, dont let me spoil your day.
BTW, 275€=$359 today. And if you are in the States Im sure you can find Android phones even cheaper than I suggested. I think I saw something like 330 bucks for SGSII.
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Everyone who says that "if you have money to offer for devs to try porting android to your wp7, why not try to buy android phone if you want it" is right. But for me, running a different OS on a device/mobile made with specific OS is very cool :fingers-crossed:
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You're right. Everyone who are against your idea are just being practical. I don't disagree with them because they are right but i got this unexplained feeling on porting different OS in a specific device/mobile. I do have HD7 and I also want it to be able to run in android OS. It's really cool if it can be done by devs.
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It stands to reason there is a chance. If the HD2, which started life as a Windows Mobile 6.1 device, could be ported with Android AND Windows Phone 7, I don't see why the Lumia 710 couldn't be "Frankensteined" as well. For those of us who are webOS fans, you know what I mean.
Practicality has its merits but there are some of us who like to do the improbable just for sh!ts and giggles. Personally, I shoe-horned a twin-turbo Buick V-6 in a Vega some 30 years ago and followed that with a 351-powered Pinto. The phone analogy is that neither one could be driven in the rain because there was simply no sticky tires back then, so the functionality was very limited.