4.3 Custom ROMs Keep Losing Root - T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note II

I am having a strange issue on my T-Mobile Note 2... I keep losing my root access, even on different custom ROMs.
I don't post often because I can generally find what I need with a search but this one has me stumped. Could this be due to the 4.3/knox bootloader? Hopefully someone here can help. Here are all the details I can think of:
I have TWRP and generally flash my ROMs in recovery instead of Odin. The ROMs flash successfully and all other components work when I flash a ROM. Also, this has happened across at least 2 different custom rooted ROMs (Jedi x20 & Jedi Master x2).
I started out with the official 4.3 from T-Mobile before rooting and applying a custom ROM, so I have the 4.3 bootloader and can't get rid of it. I see Dr Ketan has come up with a way to remove the 4.3 bootloader on one of the other Note 2 variants (GT-N7100 & N7105)... but I don't see any way to do this on the T-Mobile version, please correct me if I am wrong.
When I lose root, I first notice with messages from my root apps saying that they can't get root access. I then check super su and it notifies me the su binary is missing and needs to be installed but it can't do it. Sometimes root comes back on its own after a while and other times I have to reflash my ROM once or a several times. I have also noticed the super su app is sometimes completely missing when this happens. I have also tried to reflash just SU through recovery but it doesn't always fix it; and if it does, it sometimes reverts to no root shortly after.
The most recent time this happened was this week... The phone lost root for a few days and stayed that way even after a few reboots. Then I woke up in this morning and saw that a scheduled titanium backup had completed. I tested my root apps and found my root access had been restored over night without any changes made by myself. The last time it happened before that, I lost root and it came back after a single reboot... but the reboot solution is inconsistent and only works every once in a while to restore root. Sometimes, multiple reboots do nothing to change the root status.
I have installed several anti virus apps and ran scans with each but the phone appears to be clean. I searched & read the threads for my ROM & searched the help forum too but haven't seen this same issue. I am open to suggestion on what could be causing this issue. If there is an existing thread, please politely point me in the correct direction & close this one.
Thanks!
EDIT 7/23/2014: Solution/Workaround found. See post 22: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=54338165&postcount=22

Ok, it just happened again. This time, my battery was almost dead, so I powered the phone off and waited for it to finish shutting down. Then I pulled the dead battery and replaced it with a charged one. When it powered back on, I no longer had root. I took a screenshot of the su app error.
A couple reboots later and I have root again.
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Have you tried a new SuperSU
Here's Chainfire's 1.99
https://mega.co.nz/#!xt1lRJbI!CyaqzlWsZWd19gpedSD10K037k17_G0zThUe2QKD5ec

I'm also having the same problem. Can't access my recovery either. Can't update SU, says I have no root access. Am on SlimKat rom
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Double0EK said:
Have you tried a new SuperSU
Here's Chainfire's 1.99
https://mega.co.nz/#!xt1lRJbI!CyaqzlWsZWd19gpedSD10K037k17_G0zThUe2QKD5ec
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I have tried a few different versions of Chainfire's Root including 1.80 & 1.93.
I haven't tried 1.99 yet but I will give it a shot next time I lose root.
Thanks for the suggestion! I'll let you know how it goes...

Need some help. Last time I flashed a new rom was a year ago. Been that long since I tinkered with my phone.. Now trying to upgrade but it's not working. Can't access my recovery because apparently I am not rooted. Can't update my SU because I can't access recovery. Downloaded teamwin app but that needs root to run..
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You_got_owned123 said:
Need some help. Last time I flashed a new rom was a year ago. Been that long since I tinkered with my phone.. Now trying to upgrade but it's not working. Can't access my recovery because apparently I am not rooted. Can't update my SU because I can't access recovery. Downloaded teamwin app but that needs root to run..
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Pretty sure powering off (be sure its unplugged from the charger)
And manually booting into recovery will still work. (Hold Menu + Vol up + Power)

You_got_owned123 said:
Need some help. Last time I flashed a new rom was a year ago. Been that long since I tinkered with my phone.. Now trying to upgrade but it's not working. Can't access my recovery because apparently I am not rooted. Can't update my SU because I can't access recovery. Downloaded teamwin app but that needs root to run..
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Here is the TWRP thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1966105
In the thread, there is a download link that points to the Team Win site. You can find the recovery for the T-Mobile Note 2 here:
http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/123
There are several different methods of flashing recovery, you could try the Odin method, I don't think that requires root or an existing recovery.

Double0EK said:
Pretty sure powering off (be sure its unplugged from the charger)
And manually booting into recovery will still work. (Hold Menu + Vol up + Power)
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Yes, Double0EK is right. This method will load whatever recovery is installed.
When this happened to me, the custom recovery kept getting overwritten with stock recovery.

Double0EK said:
Pretty sure powering off (be sure its unplugged from the charger)
And manually booting into recovery will still work. (Hold Menu + Vol up + Power)
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I'm such an idiot! I forgot to hold the menu button! Was able to get into recovery and flash the new SU. Works perfectly now. Thanks all of you!

Ok, I lost root again... this time, I powered off, booted to recovery and flashed chainfire 1.99. When I booted back up, I still didnt have root. Also noticed su app is missing. Powered off & booted back into recovery... flashed root a few more times but still no root when I boot into my ROM.
Any other ideas?
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nickf123654 said:
Ok, I lost root again... this time, I powered off, booted to recovery and flashed chainfire 1.99. When I booted back up, I still didnt have root. Also noticed su app is missing. Powered off & booted back into recovery... flashed root a few more times but still no root when I boot into my ROM.
Any other ideas?
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Flash it 3 times then reboot.

I flashed it twice & rebooted... I'll try again and see if the 3rd time helps
Thanks!
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Flashed root 3x and rebooted... still no root :banghead:
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I may have missed this but did you try root66 v2 for 4.3 ?
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If you are referring to the root injected stock ROMs by mrRobinson, no I have not. I started out with official T-Mobile 4.3, rooted, installed recovery & flashed a custom ROM.
Root sticks for a while and then just disappears like it did yesterday. Then, a little while later I had root again. Really stange issue.
I was thinking of just backing up everything, then wiping everything and starting over from scratch.
After I wipe, I think I will try mrRobinson's 4.3 from Dec, that's the v2 you were referring to, right? I'll flash in Odin and then try to reinstall my current ROM and see what happens. Hopefully it will be more stable.
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nickf123654 said:
If you are referring to the root injected stock ROMs by mrRobinson, no I have not. I started out with official T-Mobile 4.3, rooted, installed recovery & flashed a custom ROM.
Root sticks for a while and then just disappears like it did yesterday. Then, a little while later I had root again. Really stange issue.
I was thinking of just backing up everything, then wiping everything and starting over from scratch.
After I wipe, I think I will try mrRobinson's 4.3 from Dec, that's the v2 you were referring to, right? I'll flash in Odin and then try to reinstall my current ROM and see what happens. Hopefully it will be more stable.
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Yes, I was referring to MrRobinsons 4.3 v2 ROM. What custom ROM do you plan to flash ?

I am currently using Jedi Master X2 and it has been stable, so I'll probably stick with that unless there is something new that looks interesting. I don't mind trying out some other ROMs if you have any suggestions.
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nickf123654 said:
Ok, I lost root again... this time, I powered off, booted to recovery and flashed chainfire 1.99. When I booted back up, I still didnt have root. Also noticed su app is missing. Powered off & booted back into recovery... flashed root a few more times but still no root when I boot into my ROM.
Any other ideas?
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You have to flash the supersu apk then install it when the phone boots then open the app and it may ask to update the binary
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I have tried flashing root in recovery and then installing super su after the phone boots but it is unable to install the su binary and I get the error from the screenshot in the 2nd post of this thread

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[Q] 4.3 I747 Rooting Need Help

Its currently on 4.3 i747 ucuemjb
I tried CF-Auto-Root-d2att-d2uc-samsungsghi747.tar Still nothing
Is there any other way ..?
Is this what you tried? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2538991
You gotta unzip the file. Then load the file in PDA again
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S i have tried that also still no luck
vipimg said:
S i have tried that also still no luck
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Did you try root method #2 in the link that audit13 provided you with? It will root you and remove knox so you won't have knox trying to block SuperSU. But it will certainly void any warranty you may have (if the things you have attempted haven't done so already).
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Si have done that also & many other Still no change
Flash TWRP with Odin via PDA
Reboot to recovery then flash SuperSu and the Knox Remover
Everything showed Success
After downloading Super su its says binary something etc
Not success
The usual message is "binary needs updating" which is easy to satisfy.
But you got us guessing. 'something something' is hard to troubleshoot.
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vipimg said:
Si have done that also & many other Still no change
Flash TWRP with Odin via PDA
Reboot to recovery then flash SuperSu and the Knox Remover
Everything showed Success
After downloading Super su its says binary something etc
Not success
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You have the first phone I have heard of that didn't take root after using method #2. I have done 3 so far with that method. After flashing SUbinary and knox remover, I downloaded SuperSU, opened it and it gives a message about updating something, allow it and then reboot to recovery wipe the cache and Dalvik.
I will do some reading perhaps I have forgotten something I did. If so I will edit this post...
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theramsey3 said:
You have the first phone I have heard of that didn't take root after using method #2. I have done 3 so far with that method. After flashing SUbinary and knox remover, I downloaded SuperSU, opened it and it gives a message about updating something, allow it and then reboot to recovery wipe the cache and Dalvik.
I will do some reading perhaps I have forgotten something I did. If so I will edit this post...
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May be its something else lot of them have got their phone rooted by the 2nd method (Strange & Unlucky no mine)
i think will do a clean install & re do the steps again & let u know
vipimg said:
May be its something else lot of them have got their phone rooted by the 2nd method (Strange & Unlucky no mine)
i think will do a clean install & re do the steps again & let u know
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Have you considered using a custom rom like maybe S3Rx it is very stable way better than AT&T 4.3 and it is pre rooted with no knox. Your warranty is already void anyhow check it out in the development section. I have to warn you though it is a large file due to all of the options it has for you to pick from as far as what you actually want to flash on the phone. That's what I'm running now and won't use anything else.
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theramsey3 said:
Have you considered using a custom rom like maybe S3Rx it is very stable way better than AT&T 4.3 and it is pre rooted with no knox. Your warranty is already void anyhow check it out in the development section. I have to warn you though it is a large file due to all of the options it has for you to pick from as far as what you actually want to flash on the phone. That's what I'm running now and won't use anything else.
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Yup Warranty is over that's y i am looking to root it
I like to keep it stock Customs rom might have bugs Also need to be connected to kies for back up
vipimg said:
Yup Warranty is over that's y i am looking to root it
I like to keep it stock Customs rom might have bugs Also need to be connected to kies for back up
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The S3Rx has less bugs than the stock 4.3 glad I made the switch, but it isn't for everyone. To each his own. But don't rule them out. I don't do nightlies because of the bugs I only do stable roms.
There is another stock 4.3 in the development section that is a stock AT&T rom and has knox removed with selinux set to permissive. It is pre rooted aswell it is by loserskater IIRC it's in a thread by updwn4par. Good luck and happy flashing.
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I think ur right i have downloaded yesterday its file name is AT_T_I747UCUEMJB (I downloaded from this site don't know from were)
If i am right i read it's a pre rooted stock AT&T rom and has knox removed with selinux set to permissive
I am going to try it
THX theramsey3
Still bad news
Just flashed with that file everything works even it's rooted checked it
but after if u reboot the phone it justs stucks on samsung s3 logo flashed it again same works but if u switch off or restart it hang's on logo
vipimg said:
Still bad news
Just flashed with that file everything works even it's rooted checked it
but after if u reboot the phone it justs stucks on samsung s3 logo flashed it again same works but if u switch off or restart it hang's on logo
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Do a factory reset wipe cache and Dalvik from recovery that should fix it. If not try a different rom. Or perhaps a bad download did you check the md5?
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Before the factory reset if you still have user data on it (because you dirty flashed) you should back it up with titanium backup. Factory reset, wipe and then restore data.
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Did that also same result i was on openrecovery-twrp-2.6.3.0-d2att
Changed to CWM-Recovery-LTE-SGS3-v5.tar
Did factory reset wipe/cache and Dalvik & installed it
Now it works Fully Even its rooted tested with adaway & triangle away.:good::good::good::good::laugh:
@Last its done :laugh:
This is just my beginning
next stop rooted apps/games ......
THX
(Keep up the good work EVERY ONE)

[Q] Failed Root Attempt. HELP!!!

Hi Guys,
So I have a Samsung Galaxy Note 2 that as of 5 hours ago was completely stock and running android 4.3 (the official one from AT&T). I got bored last night and decided I wanted to root my phone (something I hadn't yet done in the entire year I had my phone). So I looked up how to root, read the instructions all the way (I thought my research was complete). I rooted using the CF auto method. After doing that I flashed TWRP using ODIN. I also downloaded Titanium Backup, Rom Manager & My Backup Root. I tried to use all three of these applications to make a backup of my device so that I could flash the custom Rom I wanted without losing all my information. That is when my troubles began.
Whenever I tried to access any of these apps I got a pop up saying Unfortunately, SuperSU has stopped and a notification stating An attempt to access a secure area on your phone without authorization has been blocked. None of the apps would run either and just kept freezing or loading forever.Thinking I'd done something wrong I repeated the root process all over again. I still kept getting the same notifications though. I typed in the unauthorized access notification message into google and discovered about Knox. Doing some tinkering of my own I went to settings (more tab)>>security>>device administrators>> unchecked knox>>deactivate. After deactivating Knox I once again tried to gain root access and had no success. I followed the advice from previous threads and tried to change all Knox.apk files to knox.apk.bak using Explorer, I downloaded Android terminal and tried to delete knox via the command line su pm... That also did nothing. I went to the market and tried to download the SuperSU app by CHAINFIRE, it wouldn't work as it already says the app is installed but offers me no updating options. I also downloaded the Update SuperSU zip file and tried to flash it. My phone wont boot into recovery though so that hasn't gotten me anywhere. Downloaded Rom Manager and GooManager to try to get into recovery mode and still no success. later flashed philz_touch via ODIN as people who had similar problems had posted about it working for them. Didn't work for me. Flashed TWRP again using ODIN and am now just scratching my head trying to figure out how to fix this issue.
I'm personally not worried much about the warranty stuff but am more concerned with the fact that I can't root my phone. All I want is to be able to load a custom rom (MIUI v5) onto my phone. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.... If you've seen someone else with an issue like mine please just redirect me to the proper thread then.
p.s. I also tried running the root verify app and it got stuck on a loading page.
When I power my phone off and boot into recovery mode (or whatever its called) my stats read as:
ODIN MODE
Product name: SGH-I317
Custom Binary Download: Yes (7 counts) - this is from all my attempts to reroot and flash different recoveries
Current Binary: Custom
System Status: Custom
Knox Warranty Void: 1
AP SWAEV: A2
Not sure if it matters but my phone still works fine and I can make and recieve calls, texts, etc so it doesn't seem like anything is "broken." Just no root access on a rooted phone.
Originally Posted by Ladyfinesse08
Thanks so much for your help. I tried doing what you said. When I go to SuperSU application under application manager it won't allow me to reomove it. All I can do is Turn it OFF. When If I go to the play market after turning it off the only option I get is to enable it again. Looking under App Info though it's showing that I'm on version 1.93 of SuperSu. I think from all the stuff I've been reading I'm supposed to be on version 1.95.
As for flashing it your TWRP I can't because I can't load into recovery mode with TWRP. The only thing thats working for me is ODIN. Not sure if there's a way to flash from ODIN or not but I personally don't know of one (I'm new to ODIN).
http://goo.im/devs/OpenRecovery/t0lt...lteatt.img.tar
Here's a copy to flash in ODIN. If you can't boot into recovery after this, there are other things we can try from ODIN.
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dicksteele said:
Originally Posted by Ladyfinesse08
Thanks so much for your help. I tried doing what you said. When I go to SuperSU application under application manager it won't allow me to reomove it. All I can do is Turn it OFF. When If I go to the play market after turning it off the only option I get is to enable it again. Looking under App Info though it's showing that I'm on version 1.93 of SuperSu. I think from all the stuff I've been reading I'm supposed to be on version 1.95.
As for flashing it your TWRP I can't because I can't load into recovery mode with TWRP. The only thing thats working for me is ODIN. Not sure if there's a way to flash from ODIN or not but I personally don't know of one (I'm new to ODIN).
http://goo.im/devs/OpenRecovery/t0lt...lteatt.img.tar
Here's a copy to flash in ODIN. If you can't boot into recovery after this, there are other things we can try from ODIN.
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Fixed it. I was being special :angel:
Ladyfinesse08 said:
it's saying the file you've requested is not found. Do you have another link for the file or whats the name of it so I can search for it myself?
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http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/124
Should be main TWRP ATT page
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Ladyfinesse08 said:
Fixed it. I was being special :angel:
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fixed the link or completely whooped root's butt?
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dicksteele said:
http://teamw.in/project/twrp2/124
Should be main TWRP ATT page
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fixed the link or completely whooped root's butt?
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the link. the tar file is the same one that I've been using though so not sure if it'll work or not. When flashing it should I still be under PDA or should I switch to phone, csc, etc?
Ladyfinesse08 said:
the link. the tar file is the same one that I've been using though so not sure if it'll work or not. When flashing it should I still be under PDA or should I switch to phone, csc, etc?
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Yep PDA.
Which version of ODIN you using?
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v.3.07
Ladyfinesse08 said:
v.3.07
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K. Should work.
2.6.3.0 will also.
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http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/t0lteatt
Philz ClockWorkMod recovery
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I flashed the first recovery file but it still won't boot into recovery for me. When I try to boot into recovery it keeps taking me to the default recovery screen. Tried launching titantium backup and what not again and they're all still not working for me.
Got the philztouch one to flash. Still won't boot into custom recovery though.
Ladyfinesse08 said:
I flashed the first recovery file but it still won't boot into recovery for me. When I try to boot into recovery it keeps taking me to the default recovery screen. Tried launching titantium backup and what not again and they're all still not working for me.
Got the philztouch one to flash. Still won't boot into custom recovery though.
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K. Try this. 69% sure it will work.
- Download from http://d-h.st/CDK
I317UCUBMK6-TZ-PARAM.zip
- Extract the .zip file to get to I317UCUBMK6-TZ-PARAM.tar.md5
- Put your Note 2 in Download Mode.
Entering download mode is very simple. First you will need to turn off your device. Once it’s off, you need to press this button combination: volume down, power button and home button. Keep them pressed until the download mode shows up. Once you’re there, you will be required to press volume up to enter the download mode or volume down to cancel and reboot the device.
Open ODIN and place the I317UCUBMK6-TZ.tar.md5 file in PDA and flash.
I know you know how to do all that's written there, I just copied and pasted from a post.
dicksteele said:
K. Try this. 69% sure it will work.
- Download from http://d-h.st/CDK
I317UCUBMK6-TZ-PARAM.zip
- Extract the .zip file to get to I317UCUBMK6-TZ-PARAM.tar.md5
- Put your Note 2 in Download Mode.
Entering download mode is very simple. First you will need to turn off your device. Once it’s off, you need to press this button combination: volume down, power button and home button. Keep them pressed until the download mode shows up. Once you’re there, you will be required to press volume up to enter the download mode or volume down to cancel and reboot the device.
Open ODIN and place the I317UCUBMK6-TZ.tar.md5 file in PDA and flash.
I know you know how to do all that's written there, I just copied and pasted from a post.
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This didn't work for me either. Not sure exactly what's wrong with my note but I may just have to give up on gaining root access. maybe i'll try a different method to root.... I'm 100% sure I'm rooted though based on what the phone says when I boot into the default system recovery. Just don't understand why I can't gain root access and boot into custom recovery. Thank you for all your help though you've been an absolute doll. :angel:
Ladyfinesse08 said:
This didn't work for me either. Not sure exactly what's wrong with my note but I may just have to give up on gaining root access. maybe i'll try a different method to root.... I'm 100% sure I'm rooted though based on what the phone says when I boot into the default system recovery. Just don't understand why I can't gain root access and boot into custom recovery. Thank you for all your help though you've been an absolute doll. :angel:
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No worries. I aim to please.
You aren't the first this has happened to. Just trying to remember what I did. I know what I did to fix it, I think it's this version though.
Download and try this one
http://d-h.st/OYC
It's the MK4 version of the earlier param/tz you tried.
That should have worked, clueless why it didn't.
...
ODIN this one, let it reboot back into ROM.
Power down, go into download mode and flash either one of the custom recoveries.
Let it reboot, power down, then try and go into recovery.
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dicksteele said:
No worries. I aim to please.
You aren't the first this has happened to. Just trying to remember what I did. I know what I did to fix it, I think it's this version though.
Download and try this one
http://d-h.st/OYC
It's the MK4 version of the earlier param/tz you tried.
That should have worked, clueless why it didn't.
...
ODIN this one, let it reboot back into ROM.
Power down, go into download mode and flash either one of the custom recoveries.
Let it reboot, power down, then try and go into recovery.
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It seems my life has become a horrible case of Murphy's Law (as far as rooting this dang phone goes). So I used the 4.3param_tz.tar file that you posted previously. After being flashed via ODIN my phone automatically booted into Philz Touch recovery more. I initially decided that I was going to flash the SuperSU update then but decided to wait as I wanted to follow the instructions completely and flash TWRP instead. rebooted the phone. Turned it off again and booted back into recovery..... I was once again met with the default stock recovery (I thought my problems were solved and was already half way through writing a post to you confessing my love).
At this point I proceeded with some caution and tried to flash TWRP. Didn't work. ODIN/my phone kept getting stuck in recovery.img. Disconnected the phone after a couple minutes, pulled the battery and rebooted into stock recovery mode. Once again ODIN/my phone got stuck on recovery mode. Tried flashing 4.3param_tz.tar again and this time got stuck at param.bin.
Did some Google searching and people recommended re-installing the drivers, re-installed device drivers and rebooted into stock recovery mode. Went back to ODIN and flashed TWRP. It flashed completely and automatically rebooted the device. When I turned the device off again and tried to go to recovery mode I was again taken to the stock recovery mode page. tried to reflash 4.3param_tz.tar and it got stuck on param.bin again. Since then I've unplugged and rebooted into recovery mode countless times and tried flashing any and every thing and I keep getting stuck at either param.bin or recovery.img.
I have to go to class now so I'll probably come back sometime tonight and try to re-install the drivers and see if I can get param to flash again. If you give up completely I understand. The longer this takes the more convinced I am that it's a sign from above that I simply need to get my ass a new phone.
Ladyfinesse08 said:
It seems my life has become a horrible case of Murphy's Law (as far as rooting this dang phone goes). So I used the 4.3param_tz.tar file that you posted previously. After being flashed via ODIN my phone automatically booted into Philz Touch recovery more. I initially decided that I was going to flash the SuperSU update then but decided to wait as I wanted to follow the instructions completely and flash TWRP instead. rebooted the phone. Turned it off again and booted back into recovery..... I was once again met with the default stock recovery (I thought my problems were solved and was already half way through writing a post to you confessing my love).
At this point I proceeded with some caution and tried to flash TWRP. Didn't work. ODIN/my phone kept getting stuck in recovery.img. Disconnected the phone after a couple minutes, pulled the battery and rebooted into stock recovery mode. Once again ODIN/my phone got stuck on recovery mode. Tried flashing 4.3param_tz.tar again and this time got stuck at param.bin.
Did some Google searching and people recommended re-installing the drivers, re-installed device drivers and rebooted into stock recovery mode. Went back to ODIN and flashed TWRP. It flashed completely and automatically rebooted the device. When I turned the device off again and tried to go to recovery mode I was again taken to the stock recovery mode page. tried to reflash 4.3param_tz.tar and it got stuck on param.bin again. Since then I've unplugged and rebooted into recovery mode countless times and tried flashing any and every thing and I keep getting stuck at either param.bin or recovery.img.
I have to go to class now so I'll probably come back sometime tonight and try to re-install the drivers and see if I can get param to flash again. If you give up completely I understand. The longer this takes the more convinced I am that it's a sign from above that I simply need to get my ass a new phone.
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Hmmm. Maybe it's my fault.
That's my last name for reals.
So the param/tz you flashed I previously posted, was the first one or second one?
Try flashing the first param.bin/tz.img combo.
Sorry for the run around.
My fault again. When i posted the Philz recovery I should have mentioned either one would have been fine.
For the custom recovery, it gets down to personal preference. Both versions are working fine. They both are touch. You are just going to have to play with both and see which one trips your trigger.
I'm getting lost where we are at.
Try flashing the original param file from the 4.3 OTA. Let's see if that completes successfully. Then we'll go from there.
I'm thinking
-Fix booting into stock recovery.
-Do chainfires CF-AUTOROOT in ODIN.
-Boot phone and try updating Supersu again
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I'm in the same boat this person is in, and i was about to open a new thread. I hope you don't mine joining in for help. My husband was a ninny and accepted the full OTA when I only told him to swap over his cards into the new warranty exchange we just got in. So I didn't know about it until I started trying to root and running into problems. I ran the TZ.tar.md5 file in Odin. I tried this little method here mentioned here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50532028. I can't get anything to happen other than watching the flash counter go up. I just want root so i can restore his app with Rom Toolbox from his other phone...... This Knox thing is BS......
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I'm in the same boat this person is in, and i was about to open a new thread. I hope you don't mine joining in for help. My husband was a ninny and accepted the full OTA when I only told him to swap over his cards into the new warranty exchange we just got in. So I didn't know about it until I started trying to root and running into problems. I ran the TZ.tar.md5 file in Odin. I tried this little method here mentioned here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50532028. I can't get anything to happen other than watching the flash counter go up. I just want root so i can restore his app with Rom Toolbox from his other phone...... This Knox thing is BS......
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A ninny. Something my wife has never called me I'll have to admit. Don't think she's ever considered that, I'll have to confirm that.
Back to work.... what does can't get anything else to work mean?
So what have you did? Any of the steps listed above?
We haven't heard from LadyF so assuming she's good to go. No reason to open another can't root thread.
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A ninny. Something my wife has never called me I'll have to admit. Don't think she's ever considered that, I'll have to confirm that.
Back to work.... what does can't get anything else to work mean?
So what have you did? Any of the steps listed above?
We haven't heard from LadyF so assuming she's good to go. No reason to open another can't root thread.
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Thanks for getting back to me. I tried the CF Auto Root file in Odin. I tried just flashing a custom recovery so I could flash SU to gain root. Those are the 2 main things I remember trying..the rest is a late night blur. I was going to just try and flash one of the rooted stock roms, however, and this is kinda' sad, I don't remember which spot to place it in Odin.
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Thanks for getting back to me. I tried the CF Auto Root file in Odin. I tried just flashing a custom recovery so I could flash SU to gain root. Those are the 2 main things I remember trying..the rest is a late night blur. I was going to just try and flash one of the rooted stock roms, however, and this is kinda' sad, I don't remember which spot to place it in Odin.
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Just PM'd you all the goodies.
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Just PM'd you all the goodies.
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I appreciate your time helping me. Things are up and running.

How do I root 4.4 s3

Ok so I've been searching through the interweb on how to root my s3 which is already on 4.4. All I get is how to root and install 4.4. However I just wanna root. I've tried chainfire and Odin. Also after I did that it says super su has stopped working. But I believe that's cause th binary is old. I tried to find how to update that And I can't. I even went to the play store to do it but it just said open. Also when I go to app manager it doesn't give me the option to uninstall super su. Sooooo if you guys can help me ide really appreciate the help! Thanks.
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3ryce said:
Ok so I've been searching through the interweb on how to root my s3 which is already on 4.4. All I get is how to root and install 4.4. However I just wanna root. I've tried chainfire and Odin. Also after I did that it says super su has stopped working. But I believe that's cause th binary is old. I tried to find how to update that And I can't. I even went to the play store to do it but it just said open. Also when I go to app manager it doesn't give me the option to uninstall super su. Sooooo if you guys can help me ide really appreciate the help! Thanks.
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Haha I've been having plenty of issues rooting mine as well! For SU I think you need to get SU Update Fixer (Playstore).
I just did through reading other threads. However when it says gaining root access it says fail. Then just sits there and does nothing. Meh
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3ryce said:
I just did through reading other threads. However when it says gaining root access it says fail. Then just sits there and does nothing. Meh
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Then you're not rooted If you really want to you can install Odin, get a philz_touch file, and just flash a rooted stock
http://fs1.d-h.st/download/00086/tes/philz_touch_6.00.8-d2spr.tar.md5
I did mine a few days ago. I had 4.4.2 on my phone. Used P hilz touch 6.41.6 d2lte. Used Odin 3.07. Uncheck autoboot. Then go into recovery and follow philz root instructions.
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Ill try to get Philz and install that. I use odin to do that correct? Well I do have stock recovery and used odin to flash chain fires auto root but it didn't work. So ill try doing it the other way like u stated.
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Unclescary do u have a link to the thread or instructions on how u did it?
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Unclescary do u have a link to the thread or instructions on how u did it?
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Go to chainfires website on your phone and download the latest supersu flashable
Then flash that through recovery
Look for July 1 post with my name in it. My fat fingers can't copy the link.
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http://goo.im/devs/philz_touch/CWM_Advanced_Edition/d2lte
Got it. g_money was who helped me. He sent me the link.
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Thanks for the help guys. I flashed philz then got a root.
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Thanks for the help guys. I flashed philz then got a root.
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There is an apk called towelroot that seems to root many Samsung phones. I tried on my S3 and it works. https://towelroot.com/. Some anti-virus software may flag this, but it is safe from my experience.
Didn't work
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I did mine a few days ago. I had 4.4.2 on my phone. Used P hilz touch 6.41.6 d2lte. Used Odin 3.07. Uncheck autoboot. Then go into recovery and follow philz root instructions.
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Hey there...
Long to short, i am in same boat! Have been all over XDA and the net to try and find a way to root me S3, Virgin Mobile (sprint) 4.4.2....
Now I spent several days this past week trying to just root the darn thing! Hvae never had such a horrbile time try to root a $#@%&'n Samsung.
I have dont the following
~Odin 3.09, 3.07 and Chainfire Auto root...then read about how 1.85 Odin, should fix this issue....which i did not root.
found some, off the wall place, tried their "Odin" ((which was in chinese, or maybe even Japanese) was set up the same as 1.85, but I could not
read it, the buttons and colors were the same, so i figured "what the heck" .... NO))
~ ALL THESE brought the phone to the point of rooting, like everyone said proir...(phone would show Chain Auto root deal was working, ... " "Rebooting in 10 seconds.'.... (already had SU apk, it would same the same thing " need to update"..." You now have 4.3 and need to find
a way to root"... or something like that
Then read here @ XDA that, those ways seem to not work.. "Need to Odin and install Philz recovery".... Did that with all th e"Odin's" above,
except the old ball jobbie... everytime it reoboots, I then try to get to recoevery, it is not there....it seems to "re-set" bootloader or something, just does not stick!!!!
I really just want to be able to get rid of several stock apps that I dont even use, nor will, and the darn things are running all the time...Thanks Samsung!!!!
Ok if anyone does have some way to do this...PLEASE let me know! Am looking into that towelroot, but not 100% about that at this point!
OH, even found some clowns out there...if you pay them $$$... they will end up sending some package or zip or even #'s, to your phone...within 24hrs..... guess you open that up... TA-DA you are now rooted, adn will be forever!!!! .... Anyone seen such a rip off! dont ytube much, but i guess they are over there... wow, are there really that many ^%#$^& weird-O's out there???
Again, any help from anyone would be more than weclomed ...
thanks
Install philz thing. And then go download the chain fire from your phone and then I believe go to play store and get the su update fixer. Then reboot into recovery and install zip from card or wherever u saved the chainfire app at. Next after reboot go to the update fixer run that. Believe or supersu might have been installed and I can't remember if I opened that And got it to update the binary or not.
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At first it didn't seem to be rooted but I had to go through opening supersu and or the su update fixer. It asked me if I wanted to disable Knox crap and I did that Obvi haha.
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Towel Root
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WORKIN'
GOT IT ROOTED>>>>>
Not sure if it was "Operator Error" or me old eye balls....
I took a break for bit. When I came back, I found that doing Odin 1.85 / Philz Recovery does work!!! Found out that when you are in download, Mode, you DO NOT REBOOT. You actually go right into Philz Recovery, FORM DOWNLOAD MODE, just as you would if it was turned off.. "Home" + "Vol. UP" + "Power" once you see the blue line on top of screen, let go of power.
I did take and selected "Re-root" then "Boot to Recovery" that is what works.
(Of course I had SU already installed, so once out of Recovery the 2nd time, boom, SU was there asking on home screen what to do....
AWESOME!!!
Hope this can help others
godofsalt said:
GOT IT ROOTED>>>>>
Not sure if it was "Operator Error" or me old eye balls....
I took a break for bit. When I came back, I found that doing Odin 1.85 / Philz Recovery does work!!! Found out that when you are in download, Mode, you DO NOT REBOOT. You actually go right into Philz Recovery, FORM DOWNLOAD MODE, just as you would if it was turned off.. "Home" + "Vol. UP" + "Power" once you see the blue line on top of screen, let go of power.
I did take and selected "Re-root" then "Boot to Recovery" that is what works.
(Of course I had SU already installed, so once out of Recovery the 2nd time, boom, SU was there asking on home screen what to do....
AWESOME!!!
Hope this can help others
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i used both Towel root (first time) then Philz (second time) and with Philz i had auto-reboot checked and when it finished installing via Odin i just held "Home" + "Vol. Up" while it rebooted and it booted nicely into Philz recovery with no problems i guess what ever method works is dependent on your personal S3
True
Yes it is up to what works and personal prefences. Personal, I like to haev complete control over what is going on in and with my phone. Way too many things I dont need/want out in the public.
As I have said in antoher thread, was this KitKat, is the first one, from Google, with backing from NSA. They really have gone out of the way to have just anyone root there phone. Now, add this Knox in the picture, things are just starting to get rough. The good, not every John Doe will be able to do mods to their phones... The sad, NSA.. not even getting into that!!!
Certainly, this is way places like XDA, are here, and the support and response they get are great! Heck isn't that why we are all here?
Keep up the good work alll

How to root Note running 4.4.2

So I haven't been on xda for a while. I've rooted my note a good 12x. I got a replacement and decided to keep it stock as long as possible. Now my phone just pisses me off with touchwiz. I wanna flash a twrp or cwm so i can flash cm11 and so on. I know Samsung just puahed this new update out so idk if anyone has rooted it yet. Does any one know how to root and instal cwm on 4.4.2? Really want to flash a rom. Thank you very much for time and feedback
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So I haven't been on xda for a while. I've rooted my note a good 12x. I got a replacement and decided to keep it stock as long as possible. Now my phone just pisses me off with touchwiz. I wanna flash a twrp or cwm so i can flash cm11 and so on. I know Samsung just puahed this new update out so idk if anyone has rooted it yet. Does any one know how to root and instal cwm on 4.4.2? Really want to flash a rom. Thank you very much for time and feedback
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I used cf auto root heres the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1980644
Can you please confirm that cf worked on 4.4.2? Their site only shows compatibility up to 4.3. I've been searching everywhere, but found no confirmed reports of cf or anything else working on 4.4.2. I want to root my i317 while retaining the stock rom so that I can enable tethering.
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MikeKidder said:
Can you please confirm that cf worked on 4.4.2? Their site only shows compatibility up to 4.3. I've been searching everywhere, but found no confirmed reports of cf or anything else working on 4.4.2. I want to root my i317 while retaining the stock rom so that I can enable tethering.
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Ive used it myself it works just fine
CF method worked on my i317 with Stock 4.4.2. I seen that the compatibility was up to 4.3 but I tried it anyways.
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What recovery are you using, and how did you install it, TWRP bricked mine.
C auto root is flashed with odin in download mode. While rooting, it installs a custom recovery.
maybe it's kitkat, but it didn't install one for me. When I went into recovery, it was the normal factory recovery, which allowed nothing. I tried with Rom Manager, but nothing.
CF worked
I had to manually install the latest Supersu apk then update the binaries to get it working afterword, but I'm finally rooted
Now to get tether working
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did you get a recovery to work, and if you did, how!
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did you get a recovery to work, and if you did, how!
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Download a recovery like philz and flash it in odin while the phone is in download mode
Let me ask you this:
1. root with odin.
2. install CWM with odin?
3. Not I have 4.4.2 stock rom with root.
4. Can I install a custom rom with 4.4.2. stock rom still on the phone?
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Let me ask you this:
4. Can I install a custom rom with 4.4.2. stock rom still on the phone?
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Yes, if 1 - 3 is accomplished, you are ready for experiments in custom roms. You use the recovery to flash.
But make sure you have the latest recovery, and that you check the rom instructions a few times before you do anything.
Ok....cwm from Rom manager, or twrp through odin? I don't mean to break chops, I've rooted a captivate and played with it for a year, when my wtty was over with this phone, I rooted it, and had JediX 19 on it. I went back to stock, and then 4.4.2 When samsung stock 4.4.2 was installed, for some reason, it keeps bricking on me.
Ok, I rooted, and installed twrp from odin,.... passed. When I go into recovery, it's not there.
Ok. Hopefully someone has an answer. I rooted with CF auto root, Odin....fine. Installed CWM, fine. Downloaded SuperSU.....unfortunately superuser stopped working everytime I press on it. I cannot uninstall it, because it DOES NOT show up in application manager. I installed root checker, and says phone is not rooted. I can get into clockwork MOD, but no zip files show up. Can I use Odin to re flash CF auto root?, or just quit, I would hate to brick this again.
Sounds like Knox is blocking you. After rooting, install the latest Supersu apk (2.02) and install manually. Then when you open it, it should ask to update binaries. Let it, then it should ask about dialing Knox. Click yes. Viola, you're fully rooted. After the above is done, you can play with ROMs n such.
Up till that point, there is no need to flash anything, as auto root is designed to do the work for you from a pure stock rom.
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Sounds like Knox is blocking you. After rooting, install the latest Supersu apk (2.02) and install manually. Then when you open it, it should ask to update binaries. Let it, then it should ask about dialing Knox. Click yes. Viola, you're fully rooted. After the above is done, you can play with ROMs n such.
Up till that point, there is no need to flash anything, as auto root is designed to do the work for you from a pure stock rom.
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Thank you sir! I went into ES file explorer, and manually installed SuperSU. Although it never asked about dialing KNOX. I installed Root Checker, and it says I'm rooted. Appreciate yours and everyone else's help. Have a great day.

(Root) Can someone point me in the right direction...Please!!

I am trying to root my sons Note 2 and I am not sure of what the newest root method is...or for that matter, which method still works! I have been searching on here and youtube and I don't know which is the correct method...The Note is fully updated to 4.4.2.
cmdauria said:
I am trying to root my sons Note 2 and I am not sure of what the newest root method is...or for that matter, which method still works! I have been searching on here and youtube and I don't know which is the correct method...The Note is fully updated to 4.4.2.
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My suggestion is not to worry about root. Rooting is only needed if you stick with pure stock ROM which sucks.
If I were you these are the steps I would take. Download custom recovery (philz 6.07.9) and use Odin to flash it. Then download custom ROM and flash that in custom recovery. Custom ROMs come rooted 99% of the time.
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jlmancuso said:
My suggestion is not to worry about root. Rooting is only needed if you stick with pure stock ROM which sucks.
If I were you these are the steps I would take. Download custom recovery (philz 6.07.9) and use Odin to flash it. Then download custom ROM and flash that in custom recovery. Custom ROMs come rooted 99% of the time.
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I will give that a try...Thank You!
If you have any questions just ask and I will do my best to help you out.
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I am giving it a go now... I am very familiar with Twrp... Will that recovery ok?
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If you have any questions just ask and I will do my best to help you out.
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I do have a quick question...
1) I have enabled usb debugging...installed odin and downloaded the correct recovery for the phone.
2) I reboot the phone and get to download mode.
3) Plug in the cable and it gets recognized in Odin
4) click PDA button and navigate to Tar file
5) Once I hit start it goes through the whole process and says PASS
6) When I boot into recovery...using volume up, home key and power it brings me back into stock recovery
Do you have any idea what I am missing?
After you flash recovery does the device reboot automatically? If so recovery is most likely being overwritten. In Odin turn off auto reboot option. Once flash is finished disconnect and pull battery. While inserting battery press and hold power, vol +, home. You should now boot into recovery.
You stated you wanted to use twrp recovery which is okay as long as it is 2.8.0 or newer. Older versions of twrp don't work for newer ROMs.
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After you flash recovery does the device reboot automatically? If so recovery is most likely being overwritten. In Odin turn off auto reboot option. Once flash is finished disconnect and pull battery. While inserting battery press and hold power, vol +, home. You should now boot into recovery.
You stated you wanted to use twrp recovery which is okay as long as it is 2.8.0 or newer. Older versions of twrp don't work for newer ROMs.
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That did it! I went ahead and installed Philz...Thank You!
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That did it! I went ahead and installed Philz...Thank You!
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Great. While philz is different from twrp it is the best recovery for our device. Hope your son enjoys this. Even though it is not a new device it is a real nice one and I will have it till mine dies so there will be at least on person pumping out new ROMs for this device.
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I am about to root my note 2 but wonder how reinstall my previous recovery files? Say I no longer want the custom ROM do I simply flash and reinstall the back up or does the procedure differ?
rerooting
i'm looking for the same thing myself. my 4.4.2 got the OTA update. and root is now gone.
i'm not interested in custom roms. i just want the root back. with my hotspot back.
so, how would i reacheive root????? with the update.
last time i spent basically a whole week just to get this accomplished. seems as the note2 phone is dieing off when it comes to this matter.
i'm not sure on the recover mode. when i do the vol + home + power. it goes into a screen that has 2 paragraphs of red lettering. and the menu items are blue lettering. with black background screen and the droid with red triangle.
what recovery is that?
snowwy66 said:
what recovery is that?
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Without actually seeing it, I can't be 100% sure, but it does sound like you are describing the stock recovery.
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Without actually seeing it, I can't be 100% sure, but it does sound like you are describing the stock recovery.
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it had the purple back screen before. so how can i get the recovery and root back.
i really don't want to spend another week trying to figure it out again but if i have to go backwards to the original 4.4.2. how would i turn off the update.
i basically only use this phone as my trucker gps. so it's not like i have a lot of stuff to redownload.
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it had the purple back screen before. so how can i get the recovery and root back.
i really don't want to spend another week trying to figure it out again but if i have to go backwards to the original 4.4.2. how would i turn off the update.
i basically only use this phone as my trucker gps. so it's not like i have a lot of stuff to redownload.
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I guess my first question would be, why do you need a custom recovery? You're not flashing custom ROMs, so the only real benefit you'd get from a custom recovery is the ability to make nandroid backups.
The "purple back screen" recovery is Philz. The overwhelming majority of us use Philz v6.07.09 to flash ROMs and the like.
As for re-rooting, be sure to do this before you install your custom recovery (if you do indeed even need one, and I mentioned before). Many of the auto-root applications install the stock recovery as part of the process. I'd recommend ChainFire Auto-Root, but you may also try KingoRoot.
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I guess my first question would be, why do you need a custom recovery? You're not flashing custom ROMs, so the only real benefit you'd get from a custom recovery is the ability to make nandroid backups.
The "purple back screen" recovery is Philz. The overwhelming majority of us use Philz v6.07.09 to flash ROMs and the like.
As for re-rooting, be sure to do this before you install your custom recovery (if you do indeed even need one, and I mentioned before). Many of the auto-root applications install the stock recovery as part of the process. I'd recommend ChainFire Auto-Root, but you may also try KingoRoot.
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i don't, if i don't have to. all i want is root.
thanks, will give those a shot when i get home tonight.
thank you barcode. the cf autoroot was just the trick i needed. we have root again.
now if i can just find a way to turn off the auto update for the rom.

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