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[Q] Upgrade day coming up

I'm sure that this is the wrong place for this, and yes, I did search, but....here goes anyways:
I think I've narrowed it down to the Nexus 5 or the G2. I've been very happy with LG in the past, and see no reason not to keep it up. Here's how I see the competition:
Nexus 5 pros: Price, "pure" Android, HUGE aftermarket support, wireless charging.
G2 pros: IR blaster, camera, battery, slightly larger display.
I know there are other differences, these are just the ones that jump out to me. I would be 100% sold on the G2, if not for the fact that it's not running 4.4 out of the box. I use group text at work a lot, and have yet to find a replacement SMS/MMS app I like as much as stock.
If it matters, I'm on Sprint (unlimited data) and currently have the OG running CM11.
So.....thoughts? Preferences? Experience?

I highly recommend the HTC one. I got one and had to give it to my wife after she had a mishap with her phone and water. Anyway, was by far the best phone experience for me. Plus if you are into rooting you have the Google play edition roms which is pure android I think. Camera and video editing software are second to none. My two cents. I have and lgog but as soon as best buy has the one for $50 again I'm upgrading.
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I'd prefer the G2, if you do root, you'll have the same phone when you start flashing stuff pretty much. Except you'll have the amazing battery and screen of the G2
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morganstein said:
I'm sure that this is the wrong place for this, and yes, I did search, but....here goes anyways:
I think I've narrowed it down to the Nexus 5 or the G2. I've been very happy with LG in the past, and see no reason not to keep it up. Here's how I see the competition:
Nexus 5 pros: Price, "pure" Android, HUGE aftermarket support, wireless charging.
G2 pros: IR blaster, camera, battery, slightly larger display.
I know there are other differences, these are just the ones that jump out to me. I would be 100% sold on the G2, if not for the fact that it's not running 4.4 out of the box. I use group text at work a lot, and have yet to find a replacement SMS/MMS app I like as much as stock.
If it matters, I'm on Sprint (unlimited data) and currently have the OG running CM11.
So.....thoughts? Preferences? Experience?
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You selling your old phone?

oohaylima said:
You selling your old phone?
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I'm planning on hanging on to it. Let my son use it for gaming.

I have an lgog I'll sell. Great condition. Pm me if interested.
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Jessooca said:
My daily is a G2 ... i got the G2 and then I then got an s4 and I am back to a G2.... The battery life is tremendously better on the G2 and the phone can do it all. Sure The S4 is a feature laden phone so I suggest looking at all the bells and whistles on their respective sites. In all honestly the whole not having 4.4 is over rated. The G2 flies and the camera is great on both. I think if you remember you can return or exchange your phone within 14 days you should go get the G2 and my bet is that you won't want to give it up.
Once the Nexus 5 came out my friend got one. I spent the day with it and as nice and all as it is being fairly debloated I still feel like the build quality is cheap. I've had an htc one and well my opinion is that's it still has the same things I disliked with the other htc's I've owned. They did a great job with the phone itself but they need to redo sense.
The G2 really is that good, as for the Nexus 5, to me it just felt cheap. I'd wait 2 weeks for the LG Flex to come out for sprint as the one for at&t is Holy Cow! A maze ing.
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What is your normal battery life on the G2? I'm just curious. And the G2 is definitely a higher end phone than the Nexus5, the only area I feel like the Nexus5 trumps the G2 in is developer support. But give it time and I'm sure the G2 will catch up. That's the main upside to Nexus devices in general, they are made to essentially be hacked. I also agree that a lot of 4.4 is just overrated. However, where some of the devs are taking AOSP 4.4 is pretty awesome, Omni specifically. The stock camera app that came on my lgog is world's ahead of the android camera so I bet the G2 is even better.
When the 2 phones came out I would have taken a Nexus5 because custom roms and support here at xda is one of the most important things to me, but the G2 is catching up and has better specs.
I wish Sprint would get the xperia line, currently the only phone I would take over a G2 is an xperia z1. 20.7mp camera and removable storage? Yes please! And it survived the same drop test as the Flex(which failed miserably) with only minor scratches on the side.
But currently, I'd actually keep my lgog over either of them because of this community. It's not important to most users, but to me, it makes all the difference.
EDIT: Looking at the G2 forums, it seems as though it's already made some serious strides in development. I keep forgetting @Lrod0175 got a G2 - that guy makes some quality roms.

Jessooca said:
Total hours each charge 17 to 23 hours. Never less than 17 yet. It fluctuates as I can say when I used pandora on the s4 on my daily 12 mile bike ride it drained horribly. The G2 hardly drops at all. Yes there is little on here for the G2 but I can say once you've rooted it and removed what you don't care for there really is little left you'll want to do to it. The camera like the lgog is imo more clear than any of the others.
You can't go wrong with either choice. I say if your mind is set on the nexus 5, get the G2 and use it for 3 days. If you're not blown away and in love just take it back to sprint and get the nexus 5. The knock on feature is great.
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Thank you for the info and easing my curiosity(it can be a bit much sometimes). And I also feel the same way about my lgog. I flash every rom under the sun but I still go back to the stock I've been modifying and backing up since day one.
My lgog's battery fluctuates as well. GTA San Andreas is a battery hog no matter what I do. The reason I asked is because I never get less than 24 hours on the ls970 - my record was 30 hours with 7 hours screen on time. I don't have the higher capacity battery either. So many people seem to get abysmal battery stats with it.
Viper1.1 kernel made an immediate improvement, I never use auto brightness, if I'm not using it(3g, gps, whatever) it's turned off. I turned the capacitive lights off altogether as well. And greenify helps a lot. I also undervolt as much as possible. But I took this earlier tonight(I would have taken another one but started playing San Andreas again and just put it on the charger while I was). Most people don't think this sort of battery life is even possible with the lgog - just shows what constant tinkering can accomplish!
EDIT: Sorry @morganstein for just dropping my battery stats in your thread and getting off topic.

It's been fun..

I know I've only had this phone a year, but I'm soon selling it as I'm buying a OnePlus One once it is up for preorder. Some of the reasons I'm selling the phone are; Poor LG updates; not so great custom ROM support, thanks to everyone that made them though; not much activity in the forums anymore and lastly, its just getting slower as Android gets newer. Maybe some of you are upgrading soon, if so what are you getting?

I've done the same upgrade as you are doing. Had the optimus g for a year and a half. Great phone however battery life is disappointing and the occasional BSOD is quite annoying so I now have the oneplus one. Great phone just bear in mind it is a huge phone (same size as the iPhone 6 bendy)

>Poor LG updates
S3 didn't even get 4.4
>not so great custom ROM support
Most popular ROMs out there are ported. They work fine and has everything you'll ever need. Personally I found no problem with ROM support.
>its just getting slower as Android gets newer
Still smooth on my phone. It's just as smooth as any flagship out there.
Unless you're running a nuclear powerplant on your phone I wouldn't say it's "slow"

Well the oneplus one wins it all round for me, 64gb internal is great. Battery life is meh as @etalocohc pointed out. Also, the camera isn't so good. Its been a rollercoaster.

Maybe you are right, but Optimus G is lot older and cheaper device. Wouldn't say LG updates are poor, stock firmware is great, and they put KitKat on device from end of 2012 which is nice. I can agree with Custom ROMs, they aren't great and not really much for e975, i think there are more ROMs for USA editions of LGOG. Battery life can be decent with good kernel, my phone goes down with voltage to -137,5 which is really good, better battery life and lower heating.

Avantu said:
Maybe you are right, but Optimus G is lot older and cheaper device. Wouldn't say LG updates are poor, stock firmware is great, and they put KitKat on device from end of 2012 which is nice. I can agree with Custom ROMs, they aren't great and not really much for e975, i think there are more ROMs for USA editions of LGOG. Battery life can be decent with good kernel, my phone goes down with voltage to -137,5 which is really good, better battery life and lower heating.
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I think most OEMs are supposed to update their phones or at least flagships for at least 2 years. Check your DMs, I asked a question .

Duo8 said:
>Poor LG updates
S3 didn't even get 4.4
>not so great custom ROM support
Most popular ROMs out there are ported. They work fine and has everything you'll ever need. Personally I found no problem with ROM support.
>its just getting slower as Android gets newer
Still smooth on my phone. It's just as smooth as any flagship out there.
Unless you're running a nuclear powerplant on your phone I wouldn't say it's "slow"
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Yes but ROM support sucks, not to bash on devs or anything, but most of the time ROMs are left half working, are then abandoned and another ROMs project starts. Also Gee sources which are used for a lot of ROMs on this device are just not the best I've seen.
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Galileo said:
Yes but ROM support sucks, not to bash on devs or anything, but most of the time ROMs are left half working, are then abandoned and another ROMs project starts. Also Gee sources which are used for a lot of ROMs on this device are just not the best I've seen.
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At least now Faust93 has ported the kk camera driver. Fantastic progress which means gee ROMs can finally qualify as a daily driver.

itsdacj said:
At least now Faust93 has ported the kk camera driver. Fantastic progress which means gee ROMs can finally qualify as a daily driver.
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There's still the thermald.conf file issue for me, i dont want my phone to be a mobile oven :V

Yeah, maybe in some months I will try to find some excuses to change my G phone, for now I'm happy and KK update was fantastic for me.
Most probably I will stay with LG, regarding One Plus One, I don't like the phone size and I will more time to see their hardware quality.

Got my invite tonight and ordering it later

Duo8 said:
>Poor LG updates
S3 didn't even get 4.4
>not so great custom ROM support
Most popular ROMs out there are ported. They work fine and has everything you'll ever need. Personally I found no problem with ROM support.
>its just getting slower as Android gets newer
Still smooth on my phone. It's just as smooth as any flagship out there.
Unless you're running a nuclear powerplant on your phone I wouldn't say it's "slow"
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+1

Please compare the G with devices from same time (s3) !
We have all roms u need and i think there are much not here at xda! Chineese dont often use xda because they cant english and are not interested!
And its great to see that one rom works for many models (f180, e970, ls 970..)
Yea one point: i think our g/device trees can more when we have better support with the right devs (we have good devs! They can build roms and fix errors and im happy! But i think device tree has more potential)
Battery life is for me great, i dont belive on wonders and see it in comparison with other devices!
I love my G and i will buy/replace backcover instead to buy a new phone! Theres no different.. I also can replace battery, no problem...
Camerais good! But my backcover has scratches and thats ehy quality awful and high senitivity by lights...
Opo is for me to big!
And hey, we have kitkat, its newest os! 4.4.2. 4.4.4 update makes no sense.. Find differents!
Only one i hate on lg: dont know if we can see g3 ui in future and we have no knockOn or knockCode! Lowend devices are on 4.2.1 but became update in that time with the knockon feature while we have waited for kitkat
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Well, it's a bit sad that I am putting my OG up for sale... I love this phone, but a great deal on a G2 was too good to pass, so I am moving on. All of you that are still using an OG, or considering getting one -- have fun and enjoy it, this puppy has plenty of life left in it, and it's still an awesome device today.
Thank you all who helped me along the way, the community support here on XDA is great!

kt-Froggy said:
Well, it's a bit sad that I am putting my OG up for sale... I love this phone, but a great deal on a G2 was too good to pass, so I am moving on. All of you that are still using an OG, or considering getting one -- have fun and enjoy it, this puppy has plenty of life left in it, and it's still an awesome device today.
Thank you all who helped me along the way, the community support here on XDA is great!
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Oh, G2 has silly problems. I hope you won't regret. But, wish you the best anyway

akahroba said:
Oh, G2 has silly problems. I hope you won't regret. But, wish you the best anyway
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I know this is an offtopic here, but I am wondering if you have any pointers to such problems. I haven't perused G2 forums yet, but definitely planning to do it. I am not planning to do any heavy modding; still, would be interested to know what to look out for...

kt-Froggy said:
I know this is an offtopic here, but I am wondering if you have any pointers to such problems. I haven't perused G2 forums yet, but definitely planning to do it. I am not planning to do any heavy modding; still, would be interested to know what to look out for...
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Well, first of all a little signal issue, then something like BIOS battery problem! I mean if you turn the device off at night your settings will reset! Even if you don't turn it off, in the morning you notice it's not silent while you'd switched to silent mode.
Camera lens cover is aweful in quality which will heck your picture quality up. Battery life on kitkat is at least 20 percent worse than JB. Screen has two types which requires two types of kernel. Poor build quality comparing with OG. Risky to put in pocket. Screen yellow tint in many cases when it gets hot. And some other problems that I don't remember now. Oh the soft buttons. They are a real pain. You can't hide them and they are always present in every apps and games.

Even with a OnePlus One, I'll sorely miss my G, with so little amount of people in this forum, its such a tight community which I love. I'll still be around for help, just won't be able to test unless I keep my G alongside my One, still considering it .
Tapped from some sexy bacon goodness (OnePlus One)

Which Rom & Kernel Are You Hoping To Flash On You Nexus 5X ?

For those of you who will unlock the bootloader & root your brand new 5X. Which rom & kernel combination are you hoping to flash (either based on previous experience or from what you have heard) ?

Paranoid android is the only developer that brings innovative ideas to the table...
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Am i the only person that stopped rooting and flashing roms when they got their n5? I used every top of the line Android phone on T-Mobile, was a flash addict. Got my n5, it was perfect, and people were talking about how rooting the n5's were showing slower data speeds. I didn't want to chance slower speeds and vanilla Android runs too good to play with. Missed the addons from other roms but it wasn't worth it me.
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On my moto G 2014 I unlocked and rooted but didn't flash (rom scene isn't close as good as nexus I think) only used stock. Only rooted to use adaway and cf lumen. I wish we can root our phones without unlocking bootloader.

big fancy said:
Am i the only person that stopped rooting and flashing roms when they got their n5? I used every top of the line Android phone on T-Mobile, was a flash addict. Got my n5, it was perfect, and people were talking about how rooting the n5's were showing slower data speeds. I didn't want to chance slower speeds and vanilla Android runs too good to play with. Missed the addons from other roms but it wasn't worth it me.
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I am going to be unrooted and completely stock, like you. Marshmallow added in features that makes custom ROMs less of an appeal to me. I would like Android Pay to work

From what I can see Nexuses have no real need to have a custom rom installed (compared to other smartphones). Also Android Pay will not work if rooted.
Would people agree ?

SlyUK said:
From what I can see Nexuses have no real need to have a custom rom installed (compared to other smartphones). Also Android Pay will not work if rooted.
Would people agree ?
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I agree. I used to just like flashing roms to see new things, but man, when a phone works as good as an n5 right out of the box, its hard to want to mess with that.
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I'm going to try to stay stock. But when the roms start showing up I won't be any to resist

woodydog said:
I'm going to try to stay stock. But when the roms start showing up I won't be any to resist
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Same here... plus I have some root apps I can't live without. I don't really care about custom roms on the Nexus, but like you I won't be able to stop myself, I'm sure. I'd like for Android Pay to work though, but not necessary.

slonlo said:
Same here... plus I have some root apps I can't live without. I don't really care about custom roms on the Nexus, but like you I won't be able to stop myself, I'm sure. I'd like for Android Pay to work though, but not necessary.
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What are the benefits of Android Pay ?

Being in Canada and not being eligible for Android pay there is no adverse affect of rooting. Ideally would be running stock + xposed/gravitybox but one can only speculate when that will be available on 6.0. Until then something ASOP or stock based that includes extended reboot menu, circle battery mod, multiwindow, and additional quick setting toggles

SlyUK said:
What are the benefits of Android Pay ?
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You can pay with your phone at 23% of the stores in America lol lol. Which it's pointless. Now if you had Samsung pay that would be a different story, but you don't so let the rooting begin
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SlyUK said:
What are the benefits of Android Pay ?
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You can be embarrassed holding up the checkout line trying to use Android Pay while your pay card rests in your back pocket. The only use I ever see for this stuff is if you actually forget your card. Then it's great to be able to pay with a phone. And at a drive-thru or restaurant, they take your card.

Cataclysm ROM -PERIOD!
Hands down smoothest ROM I have ever used on any Nexus phone, including stock Google. It is a little different but has everything I could ever want. The battery life is amazing. I've tried others, but have stayed with Cataclysm with my N5 2013.

Mrwirez said:
Cataclysm ROM -PERIOD!
Hands down smoothest ROM I have ever used on any Nexus phone, including stock Google. It is a little different but has everything I could ever want. The battery life is amazing. I've tried others, but have stayed with Cataclysm with my N5 2013.
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@Mrwirez Is it guaranteed to come for the 5X ?

Cataclysm was favorite in N4 days. But the developer went MIA for 10 or so months during the jelly bean and kit kat days.

Riverdales27 said:
Cataclysm was favorite in N4 days. But the developer went MIA for 10 or so months during the jelly bean and kit kat days.
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@Riverdales27 He's back now ?

I'm usually stock with some kernel like franco or elemetnalx.
Also, I love GravityBox but I guess we'll have to wait a long time for that to work on M.

I'd be looking for put SlimROM on there as soon as possible, I have it all customised just the way I like it on my Nexus 5.

Hopefully none. I didn't get to play around with Marshmallow yet and I hope the new features are enough to make me stay stock. I'm a big fan of CM's Privacy Guard and I want to see how extensive the new Marshmallow one is, that and quick toggles customization. If I'm not satisfied, I'll probably flash CM 13 nightlies when they're available.

Where are all the ROMS?

I currently have a nexus 5 and I'm looking to upgrade. The G4 looks like a great option as it have more RAM better processor, better screen and mainly an SD SLOT!!!! I currently am getting by with 16GB which is then around 10GB usuable. My question is is this phone worth getting considering I would like a custom ROM. I'd be happy with CM12 but there doesn't look like much support, I can get this phone pretty cheap but I'm not sure as the support just doesn't seem to be here. Anyone with this phone got any advice? Look elsewhere or buy it?

cyberdude020 said:
I currently have a nexus 5 and I'm looking to upgrade. The G4 looks like a great option as it have more RAM better processor, better screen and mainly an SD SLOT!!!! I currently am getting by with 16GB which is then around 10GB usuable. My question is is this phone worth getting considering I would like a custom ROM. I'd be happy with CM12 but there doesn't look like much support, I can get this phone pretty cheap but I'm not sure as the support just doesn't seem to be here. Anyone with this phone got any advice? Look elsewhere or buy it?
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I recently switched to the G4 (H811) from the S6 Edge back in October. I would consider it a good upgrade. The official CM updates are already rolled out and I've been using it as a daily driver even through the buggy (not complaining) Alpha and Beta stages. As a lot of other users have already stated, most of us considered the stock ROM good enough, especially with Marshmallow rolling out pretty soon. The only reason I switched to CM 12.1 was for the near stock look and the lag in the stock ROM. I've heard good things about the CTT MOD, eliminating lag involving thermal throttling. I used MicroMod777's debloated stock ROM. It ran smoother than stock in my experience. I'll be happy to answer anymore questions you have, given my experience with the device.
[T-MOB H811/ INT H815] [Nightly] Cyanogenmod 12.1
CTT Mod for the G4 eliminates lag and more (10/16)
[ROM] G4 H811 10N Stock, Debloated, Rooted ROM's + Mods

KingofPineCones said:
I recently switched to the G4 (H811) from the S6 Edge back in October. I would consider it a good upgrade. The official CM updates are already rolled out and I've been using it as a daily driver even through the buggy (not complaining) Alpha and Beta stages. As a lot of other users have already stated, most of us considered the stock ROM good enough, especially with Marshmallow rolling out pretty soon. The only reason I switched to CM 12.1 was for the near stock look and the lag in the stock ROM. I've heard good things about the CTT MOD, eliminating lag involving thermal throttling. I used MicroMod777's debloated stock ROM. It ran smoother than stock in my experience. I'll be happy to answer anymore questions you have, given my experience with the device.
[T-MOB H811/ INT H815] [Nightly] Cyanogenmod 12.1
CTT Mod for the G4 eliminates lag and more (10/16)
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Thanks a lot. I really like this phone however I don't like stock. I am happy with CM12 though as it has all the features I use. How stable is CM? Are the bugs ironed out now? How is battery life and heat issues? What type of lag is it? Scrolling lag or gaming? I saw the mod but didn't read too much into it, also is over clocking an option via kernels?
Thank again for answering my questions, it will save me a lot of time searching the forums

cyberdude020 said:
Thanks a lot. I really like this phone however I don't like stock. I am happy with CM12 though as it has all the features I use. How stable is CM? Are the bugs ironed out now? How is battery life and heat issues? What type of lag is it? Scrolling lag or gaming? I saw the mod but didn't read too much into it, also is over clocking an option via kernels?
Thank again for answering my questions, it will save me a lot of time searching the forums
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CM is pretty stable so far, good enough for a daily driver. Trebuchet crashes every now and then and I've noticed some issues with the camera (besides the actual camera app, that's just AOSP camera in general). I'm not complaining, nor rushing the devs, but it's easily usable as a daily driver. To sum it up, bugs are present, but not bad. Battery life is iffy, I can get through an entire day with 2 batteries and sometimes a charge. I'd say it's around 3 hours SOT. Heat issues are way worse on the stock ROM, nothing too bad so far on CM. Lag on CM is little things like scrolling or keyboard animations, and apps crashing now and then. I haven't tried much gaming. Over clocking is possible.

if you guys use CM custom rom, which app use for camera? is the CM camera apps as good as stock to use all features of the G4 camera? or you don't care about photos, you just need other features covered by CM rom?

cyberdude020 said:
I currently have a nexus 5 and I'm looking to upgrade. The G4 looks like a great option as it have more RAM better processor, better screen and mainly an SD SLOT!!!! I currently am getting by with 16GB which is then around 10GB usuable. My question is is this phone worth getting considering I would like a custom ROM. I'd be happy with CM12 but there doesn't look like much support, I can get this phone pretty cheap but I'm not sure as the support just doesn't seem to be here. Anyone with this phone got any advice? Look elsewhere or buy it?
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I think the issue is because of the bootloader and the fact that there are only 2 variants which is can be unlocked on.
I know CandySix is coming to the G4 though :good:

donkanmcklaus said:
if you guys use CM custom rom, which app use for camera? is the CM camera apps as good as stock to use all features of the G4 camera? or you don't care about photos, you just need other features covered by CM rom?
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The other features are worth losing the camera. It's still great for regular pictures but don't expect a DSLR replacement. They're still working on getting the G4 Camera ported to the ROM.

donkanmcklaus said:
is the CM camera apps as good as stock to use all features of the G4 camera?
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you can use other 3rd party camera apps but you lose some features like night shot which is used by front camera as well.
also shutter time will not be more than 0.5s, stock goes up to 30s.
Its not clear to me how CM will make use of the colour sensor and laser AF. Are shots as quick to take, are they as clear.
Low light on auto ? this is buggy right now from the few samples i saw.
Whether unlocking bootloader automatically disables these features is not clear. Because if it does then its a one way process. You lose it forever.
or you don't care about photos, you just need other features covered by CM rom?
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exactly
So much easier to just get a nexus isn't it.
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KingofPineCones said:
Battery life is iffy, I can get through an entire day with 2 batteries and sometimes a charge. I'd say it's around 3 hours SOT.
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You get 3h sot on cm or stock ?
regardless you should be getting more, on stock.
3-4h on data, 4-5h on wifi. If your brightness is 25% you can add an extra hour in there. This is normal with stock and greenify.
If you can't get that then you need a reset.
I've seen very little to no benefits accruing to battery life by rooting, roms or exposed. if you must go down that route its about features.

One Twelve said:
You get 3h sot on cm or stock ?
regardless you should be getting more, on stock.
3-4h on data, 4-5h on wifi. If your brightness is 25% you can add an extra hour in there. This is normal with stock and greenify.
If you can't get that then you need a reset.
I've seen very little to no benefits accruing to battery life by rooting, roms or exposed. if you must go down that route its about features.
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3h SOT on CM, less on stock. That's with greenify and screen at around 30% brightness. I'm not going to complain to CM development for those numbers, but I'll try one of the debloated stock ROMs and report back after a few days. Thanks for the advice.

the ROMS are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/development
next time use search or better thread title.

paratox said:
the ROMS are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/development
next time use search or better thread title.
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Looks like a ghost town to me. Compare that forum to the equivalent G3 forum, even at the current date in 2014, and it was way more lively.
With every passing day it looks more and more like the G4 has been abandoned. I guess you can't blame the devs, LG are being pricks about the bootloader.

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the ROMS are here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/g4/development
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Pretty clear there is not much to choose from and even then they seem to have bugs. This was a genuine question no need to be cocky although I'm sure it makes you feel superior.

Thanks a lot guys, it was basically a choice between the G4 or a Sony Z5 both have little support, obviously the Z5 has only just been released so it's to be expected. I'm just a little disappointed as the G4 seemed so perfect for me hardware wise vs price, plus the fact the G4 uses the 808 as opposed to the 810 which has overheating problems. The Moto X pure is looking like a possibility for this reason now. I tend to keep my phones fairly long so I need something quite stable. I think I will hold off for now until support for the phones I'm interested in grows, unless I see something really cheap in the black Friday sales
Thank you for your help everyone, I appreciate it!!

cyberdude020 said:
Thanks a lot guys, it was basically a choice between the G4 or a Sony Z5 both have little support, obviously the Z5 has only just been released so it's to be expected. I'm just a little disappointed as the G4 seemed so perfect for me hardware wise vs price, plus the fact the G4 uses the 808 as opposed to the 810 which has overheating problems. The Moto X pure is looking like a possibility for this reason now. I tend to keep my phones fairly long so I need something quite stable. I think I will hold off for now until support for the phones I'm interested in grows, unless I see something really cheap in the black Friday sales
Thank you for your help everyone, I appreciate it!!
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I'm in the exact same boat man, G4 looks like the perfect phone in terms of hardware but the software situation is just depressing. We'll see how things pan out once Marshmallow has made it to all G4s, but if thing don't pick up I'll have to look elsewhere.

dogroll said:
I'm in the exact same boat man, G4 looks like the perfect phone in terms of hardware but the software situation is just depressing. We'll see how things pan out once Marshmallow has made it to all G4s, but if thing don't pick up I'll have to look elsewhere.
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The Moto X pure has very similar hardware to the G4, if it's within your budget I'd suggest looking there once the phone has been out awhile and gained support.

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3h SOT on CM, less on stock. That's with greenify and screen at around 30% brightness.
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What's is your usage like ? if its heavy then i don't think you can do better.
I'm not going to complain to CM development for those numbers, but I'll try one of the debloated stock ROMs and report back after a few days. Thanks for the advice.
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if you can't get those figures in stock then Cm can't do more.
debloated if you have a carrier rom, its not necessary otherwise.
How long you had the device ?
People that can't get beyond 3h sot need a reset. something is running more than it needs to. a reset fixes it. dont just do a plain restore after, install apps in small batches and monitor.

One Twelve said:
What's is your usage like ? if its heavy then i don't think you can do better.
if you can't get those figures in stock then Cm can't do more.
debloated if you have a carrier rom, its not necessary otherwise.
How long you had the device ?
People that can't get beyond 3h sot need a reset. something is running more than it needs to. a reset fixes it. dont just do a plain restore after, install apps in small batches and monitor.
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Heavy usage. I got better in CM than stock. I've had the T-Mobile G4 since around late September. And yes, I need the debloated ROM because my stock H811 ROM is the carrier one. I've also noticed less lag on it with animations, particularly the keyboard pop-up ones.

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Heavy usage.
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Ah, then 3-4hrs of sot is normal.
was testing with youtube and speakers on max. 1 hr of youtube eats up around 27%. 3hrs of youtube like that and its recharge time.
With bluetooth it drops to 20%. Must be some more savings with wired speakers.
with screen off and just podcasts its 10%/hour.
So far the heaviest usage is recoding with 4k. Do that for 90 minutes and the battery is flat.
I got better in CM than stock. I've had the T-Mobile G4 since around late September. And yes, I need the debloated ROM because my stock H811 ROM is the carrier one. I've also noticed less lag on it with animations, particularly the keyboard pop-up ones.
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How long is your standby ?

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How long is your standby ?
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I'm actually not sure, I'm almost always using it. It drains around 10% over night (about 7 hours) if I forget to plug it in. That's on the CM ROM.

Bootloader is still annyoing to unlock for most models/ not possible, also this phone has so many different models.
On top of that we got from Lolipop to MM quite fast which may also be a reason for the lack of roms.
If I'd be a Dev I'd rather not put too much effort in Lolipop roms for the G4 if MM is right around the corner.
Dunno maybe it will get better now

D851 worth getting today?

Hey guys, I'm not a must have flagship device or a crazy spender when it comes to phones. I tend to lean towards features, and developer support when it comes to phones. I'm still using the LG Optimus G e970 that I bought 2 years ago, and I think it's time for a change. The D851 has everything I'm looking for at a decent price, but I'm worried now after reading so many people are having boot loops, wifi issues, etc. Would it be a bad decision to buy this phone since it seems like it's facing a bunch of issues due to aging.
Thanks guys!

I just bought one last week. Refurbished. So far, so good. Still early to judge but this phone is so fast and smooth.
I am running stock with Marshmallow 6.0. I usually root but really I have no need to right now.

I got a mint used one with zero lemon 9k mah battery for 120, it's stock 6.0.1 rooted and debloated and works fantastic.

Thanks guys! I made the purchase with an extra battery!

Vampir1c said:
Thanks guys! I made the purchase with an extra battery!
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In my opinion, best phone for the price and features. I have had mine for nearly two years and it is still going strong. Just got a smart circle case with wireless charging and really happy with it. Developer support is also very good. I tried to run the Tmobile stock 6.0 but it was sluggish and Wifi calling could never connect. Using multirom, I can boot into LP for wifi calling if I need it. Fulmics is my main rom and I could not be happier with the features and performance.

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In my opinion, best phone for the price and features. I have had mine for nearly two years and it is still going strong. Just got a smart circle case with wireless charging and really happy with it. Developer support is also very good. I tried to run the Tmobile stock 6.0 but it was sluggish and Wifi calling could never connect. Using multirom, I can boot into LP for wifi calling if I need it. Fulmics is my main rom and I could not be happier with the features and performance.
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Could you tell me if bluetooth is working on Fulmics. Thanks

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Could you tell me if bluetooth is working on Fulmics. Thanks
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Bluetooth is working perfectly with the stock Fulmics kernel for me. I had tried a different kernel and it broke Bluetooth so I reverted back to avoid issues.

Everyone keeps talking about Fulmics.
May finally root my phone and try it!
How is the battery life?

My local store has one still BNIB collecting dust on the shelf, I didn't find out till after I got their last BNIB G4 and they didn't have any current price for it as corporate stopped updating that price list. I'm sort of thinking maybe I should have got it vs my G4 because of potential bootloop issues but my G4 was manufactured in April 2016 which is apparently after LG fixed the hardware problem. We'll see. I have half a mind to call them up tomorrow and see if I can get a current price on it.
I had a G3 on Verizon but didn't have it long enough to really make it shine. VZW installs so much freaking bloat that its kinda impossible to fairly judge a phone sometimes. Spec wise its honestly pretty close to the G4 although my G4 out of the box is the fastest phone I've had on an OEM rom and its not even close.

Definitely. I have had mine (bought it used) for 7 months now and have had no issues. I would recommend rooting and flashing a custom rom. Makes the phone so much better. It has the removable battery which is great, especially since the battery life is so-so. I can get through a whole day with it with moderate use so I guess it isn't that bad.

It's still a good phone, but look into the moto g4, double LTE speed capabilities. and double charging speed capabilities. Gotta keep up with the newest features
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LG G3 vs. G4 vs. G5
After watching dozens of YouTube videos making comparisons with these three phones, the G3 is still a great phone. The fact that you can buy one new very cheaply now is a plus. I am running Marshmallow now on mine with all of the latest updates. Stock 100%, but rooted and many of the apps frozen with Titanium Backup Pro. I NEVER have an issue with my phone. Battery life is excellent, I never drop calls, Wi-Fi calling works perfectly with my cable provider's router. The G4 and G5 look great but the "new improvements" are minimal at best. The newer models will cost you hundreds more, but the bells and whistles just are not there from what I have seen. An extra physical button or two would not sway me to upgrade this phone.

How did you guys root?

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How did you guys root?
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you can root 30D with Kingroot to get temporary root. Then use this:http://forum.xda-developers.com/tmobile-lg-g3/development/stock-d851-30d-kdz-flashable-zips-imgs-t3367371

Pretty good.
Phone is pretty good. My main criticisms are the phones heat issue and rather dull screen. I haven't run custom ,don't know how much that helps.
Can anyone comment on what you would lose going custom ROM? Currently running stock Marshmallow 30D.

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Phone is pretty good. My main criticisms are the phones heat issue and rather dull screen. I haven't run custom ,don't know how much that helps.
Can anyone comment on what you would lose going custom ROM? Currently running stock Marshmallow 30D.
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As for heating issues -- only one thing will make the biggest difference: lowering the screen resolution to 1080p. That made the biggest difference in the world for me. But to do that, you would need to be on an AOSP rom.
Biggest thing you lose going custom is the camera quality. As for other things, with AOSP you lose the knock code to unlock feature (only feature from LG that I miss), and the LG apps if you actually like any of them. In general, you void your warranty by rooting, and you could run into some issues with some custom roms, Most common is lack of Bluetooth functionality, although many will have it working. It is a much greater experience than stock roms in my opinion and worth the loss. Worst comes to worst, and you go on a nice vacation where you need a good camera for pictures (i.e. hiking) then you could always restore your stock OS (backup is a must in TWRP once you are rooted) and use it for the vacation time, and go back to a custom rom once it is over

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As for heating issues -- only one thing will make the biggest difference: lowering the screen resolution to 1080p. That made the biggest difference in the world for me. But to do that, you would need to be on an AOSP rom.
Biggest thing you lose going custom is the camera quality. As for other things, with AOSP you lose the knock code to unlock feature (only feature from LG that I miss), and the LG apps if you actually like any of them. In general, you void your warranty by rooting, and you could run into some issues with some custom roms, Most common is lack of Bluetooth functionality, although many will have it working. It is a much greater experience than stock roms in my opinion and worth the loss. Worst comes to worst, and you go on a nice vacation where you need a good camera for pictures (i.e. hiking) then you could always restore your stock OS (backup is a must in TWRP once you are rooted) and use it for the vacation time, and go back to a custom rom once it is over
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Thanks for the input on what's lost. I've read about the camera issue. Good to know that's the biggest difference.
Actually if you're running Marshmallow there is a game optimizer mode that will drop the screen resolution to 1080p when gaming on stock. This is where most of the heat issues occur. There's also an option to reduce the resolution to 1080p for all apps. Both options require root.
That being said, even at 1080p the phone gets hotter than it should for gaming. The only other option I've found is the hardware thermal paste mod. Not willing to try it yet.

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Thanks for the input on what's lost. I've read about the camera issue. Good to know that's the biggest difference.
Actually if you're running Marshmallow there is a game optimizer mode that will drop the screen resolution to 1080p when gaming on stock. This is where most of the heat issues occur. There's also an option to reduce the resolution to 1080p for all apps. Both options require root.
That being said, even at 1080p the phone gets hotter than it should for gaming. The only other option I've found is the hardware thermal paste mod. Not willing to try it yet.
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For me the phone got hot even with just multitasking. I really don't game too much and it was heating up like crazy. 1080p fixed all those issues for me. I felt as though performance was slightly better on 1400p, contrary to popular belief. The antutu score also showed that as well. Still like 1080 better though

jmacguire said:
After watching dozens of YouTube videos making comparisons with these three phones, the G3 is still a great phone. The fact that you can buy one new very cheaply now is a plus. I am running Marshmallow now on mine with all of the latest updates. Stock 100%, but rooted and many of the apps frozen with Titanium Backup Pro. I NEVER have an issue with my phone. Battery life is excellent, I never drop calls, Wi-Fi calling works perfectly with my cable provider's router. The G4 and G5 look great but the "new improvements" are minimal at best. The newer models will cost you hundreds more, but the bells and whistles just are not there from what I have seen. An extra physical button or two would not sway me to upgrade this phone.
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I love the phone too, but I don't believe there is root yet for the latest 30E update, hoping that changes soon.
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I have got to say my G3 is by far the best phone I've ever owned. I'm currently running Stock rooted 30D. I was thinking about flashing Fulmics ROM, but I read about losing of Bluetooth. I connect to my TV with HDMI Slimport adapter so I can play games on the big screen with my MOGA Power Pro gamepad. So losing Bluetooth is a deal breaker.
@aclegg2011 recently posted they're testing 30e Stock rooted.
Im still new user and can't yet post link to thread. Search Username and you should find it.