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oh people come on i really appreciate all the work your doing here but your talking about flashing custom roms and unlooking boot loader !!! and stuff like that but the thing is i don't even know how to install a cutom roms and i'm sure there r many guys like me out there so please be easy on us so here what i want to know and i'm sure if you answered this topic it's gonna be a useful one
1-do we need to backup out things from phone memory and sd card before unlocking our phones using the new htc dev thing ? and if yes so how to make a full back up ?
2- we will do the unlock boot loader thing and there is a good tutorials out there
3- after unlocking the boot loader i think we have to do a complete wipe or some thing like that and then flash a cutom rom right ? so please tell us how to do that wipe thing and install a rom and which rom is the most stable one out there
4- can i go back to the old rom which is htc 2.3.5 if i didn't like that boot thing
5- with custom roms is it posible to install apps from the market ? and what are the deferences in general between the 2.3.5 official and any rom i will install after rooting ?
thank you for reading this post all, i'm asking for is an easy 1 2 3 .... complete guide for noobs
Well, problem is not you guys are new. Neither your lack of knowledge about the topics.
Mostly the problem is that people do not read and open new threads for topics already existing. I wrote 2 tutorials and I think I wrote them a way new users can understand.
Using a searching machine or forums search is no advanced topic. When I was new to it all, I spend like 2-3 days of reading and finding out myself.
So, look at our point of view: we write tutorials that are detailed and answer questions all about in the respective threads. We can't write a whole tutorial again for everyone not willing to read.
And to almost all questions, there already is an answer. And I think if you want to do stuff with your phone you should search and read. then you still can ask questions. But often people come here this way: Hi, I'm new, now tell me exactly what I have to do.
theq86 first of all i appreciate your time
but you can't judge me !!!! i spent 2 days reading and searching all i could find was people talking about new roms and stuff like that and expressions that i don't understand
and i tried to the search tool btw if u type noob you will find tons of suggestions with no match topics
so i'm not taking the easy way or any thing
and rather than complaining from my post you can point me to those threads your talking about for new comers it would have been nice of u
I don't blame you in particular, I just give examples. So sorry if you understood it that way.
Well, here we go:
1-do we need to backup out things from phone memory and sd card before unlocking our phones using the new htc dev thing ? and if yes so how to make a full back up ?
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Yes, I'd recommend that. You can backup all your PIM data (calendar, cntacts, messages) with MyPhoneExplorer. If you have synced everything with google you can restore it afterwards with a full sync. But I'd recommend MyPhoneExplorer, because you have your data on pc then.
During the process of unlocking the phone and all of it's data will be reset!
2- we will do the unlock boot loader thing and there is a good tutorials out there
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Here is my tutorial: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432199
Every step is explained. And also read the textx on htcdev to each step for getting detailed information.
3- after unlocking the boot loader i think we have to do a complete wipe or some thing like that and then flash a cutom rom right ? so please tell us how to do that wipe thing and install a rom and which rom is the most stable one out there
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When you flash a custom rom, be sure to wipe the cache partition, the dalvik-cache and the data partition. otherwise bootloops or malfunctions could appear. Wiping all these is very easy once you have a custom recovery tool.
4- can i go back to the old rom which is htc 2.3.5 if i didn't like that boot thing
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You can go back to stock rom. But this will not recover your warranty. You can even lock the bootloader again if you really wish. How to do so is stated in my bootloader unlock tutorial, too.
5- with custom roms is it posible to install apps from the market ? and what are the deferences in general between the 2.3.5 official and any rom i will install after rooting ?
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Yes, in case you use the cyanogenmod rom you will have to insall the google apps manually, but market is available on every rom.
The differences between stock rom are manifold:
themes and designs can differ
custom roms often include fixes and tweaks to improve device speed, stability and battery life.
Most roms are debloated. So never used apps are removed.
theq86 said:
I don't blame you in particular, I just give examples. So sorry if you understood it that way.
Well, here we go:
Yes, I'd recommend that. You can backup all your PIM data (calendar, cntacts, messages) with MyPhoneExplorer. If you have synced everything with google you can restore it afterwards with a full sync. But I'd recommend MyPhoneExplorer, because you have your data on pc then.
During the process of unlocking the phone and all of it's data will be reset!
Here is my tutorial: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1432199
Every step is explained. And also read the textx on htcdev to each step for getting detailed information.
When you flash a custom rom, be sure to wipe the cache partition, the dalvik-cache and the data partition. otherwise bootloops or malfunctions could appear. Wiping all these is very easy once you have a custom recovery tool.
You can go back to stock rom. But this will not recover your warranty. You can even lock the bootloader again if you really wish. How to do so is stated in my bootloader unlock tutorial, too.
Yes, in case you use the cyanogenmod rom you will have to insall the google apps manually, but market is available on every rom.
The differences between stock rom are manifold:
themes and designs can differ
custom roms often include fixes and tweaks to improve device speed, stability and battery life.
Most roms are debloated. So never used apps are removed.
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thank you very much for your time i really appriciate it , but i still have some more questions
1- after unlocking my bootloader do i have to install a custom rom or can i keep using my current 2.3.5 i understand that it will be like starting from scratch
2- what is the clock recovery mod and where to find it and how to use it " in this question i'm using the easy way beacuse i know i'll find info about this thing if i searched the fourm but who want's to take the hard way thank's to you "
3- i've read some thing about adding an sd card partition to the phone memory or some thing like that please give me a full description about this thing and can i add this partition to my current stock rom after unlocking the bootloader with out installing a custom rom if it's possible ?
oh sorry i forgot 1 more question
people are saying that cyeanogen rom is the best but i keep reading that it's not an official realese and the radio and wirless and camera etc ... is not worknig but there is the 7.2 version i saw recntly on the dev section which is said to work perfectly so is it stable ? it it fast ? do you recomend me to use it ? i'm asking this question beacuse i noticed you r a cyanogen mod fan
and to install any rom of course i'll have to do these steps
1- flash the clock recovery mod which you will point me to how to use it
2- flash the custom rom and that's every thing
and to flash these things i but them on the root folder on my sd and disable the fasy boot option then turn of the phone and power t up holding the volume down button and it will do the magic am i right ?
Search on marketplace for clockwork mod - use it to boot to recovery mode - then, if you have a flashable zip rom stored in the root folder of your phone you can just flash the rom from there - best to backup and wipe first
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Scrapster said:
Search on marketplace for clockwork mod - use it to boot to recovery mode - then, if you have a flashable zip rom stored in the root folder of your phone you can just flash the rom from there - best to backup and wipe first
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Doesn't work without a little trickery on the Wildfire S
Let's not confuse the helpless who can type a lot better than he can read. Not short of words anyways...
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I don't blame you in particular, I just give examples. So sorry if you understood it that way.
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Don't apologize to rude and demanding people.
I do blame him/her in particular. He/She (Probably a He-She) is rude and aggressive as a first method of asking what they need to know.
You know the old catching more flies with honey than vinegar thing...
Just a thought for your future correspondence.
Oops - must read better myself before rushing to help!
Thanks for pointing that out
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d33ps1x said:
Doesn't work without a little trickery on the Wildfire S
Let's not confuse the helpless who can type a lot better than he can read. Not short of words anyways...
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Don't apologize to rude and demanding people.
I do blame him/her in particular. He/She (Probably a He-She) is rude and aggressive as a first method of asking what they need to know.
You know the old catching more flies with honey than vinegar thing...
Just a thought for your future correspondence.
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Scrapster thank you very much
but still same question here who to wipe before flashing a custom rom ?
d33ps1x
you are the rude one here , you cant blame a decent guy as theq86 for not being as rude as you, and you can't blame a new comer like me for his lack of information
so if You Haven't Got Anything Good to Say, Please Shut Up
After reading through this thread and chuckling a little bit, I came to the conclusion that rooting may not be for you, iximedaixi. Not to be mean or anything. But the guides here are excellent. I'm just saying that it might be something for you to consider because the WFS makes an expensive paperweight.
Theq86, you are too kind.
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After reading through this thread and chuckling a little bit, I came to the conclusion that rooting may not be for you, iximedaixi. Not to be mean or anything. But the guides here are excellent. I'm just saying that it might be something for you to consider because the WFS makes an expensive paperweight.
Theq86, you are too kind.
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omg you people don't know how to be useful sooo my wfs is a beatiful paperwight " which is the dumpest expression i ever heard "
but i love my wfs
so same as your mate if you've got no thing useful to add please shut up
@iximedaixi I think you should to shut up
.... i really appreciate all the work your doing here.... or i spent 2 days looking for ...
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you wrote (or mayby I'm bad reader)
that's kind of funny, cause in my opinion you don't spent a minute to find what you're looking for and that's RUDE !!!
I've bought my WFS last friday, next day I've find out about Unlock, then quick visit here and since last weekend I've unlocked, rooted and OC phone
Just a little bit of good will
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omg you people don't know how to be useful sooo my wfs is a beatiful paperwight " which is the dumpest expression i ever heard "
but i love my wfs
so same as your mate if you've got no thing useful to add please shut up
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you are too arrogant and selfish, take a note that alreade few people in the few posts here said that to you.
Be kind and don't spam. Try to understand when you are false and "shut up"... that was not kind at all.
anyway - I hope your willingness not to gain knowledge will change!
almost everybody does when grow up
Regards
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one more thing, please read the forum rules:
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You're most likely to receive a helpful answer to your question if you use a short subject title that describes your problem and a message that explains in detail what your problem is and what you've tried to solve it.
for example
MindBurn010 said:
you are too arrogant and selfish, take a note that alreade few people in the few posts here said that to you.
Be kind and don't spam. Try to understand when you are false and "shut up"... that was not kind at all.
anyway - I hope your willingness not to gain knowledge will change!
almost everybody does when grow up
Regards
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Thank you guys for pointing me out to the right direction
though i still don't get it whether i'm wrong for being mean or not searching enough but trust me i'm not that bad i spent many time searching for a complete view for this rooting thing but i didn't find what i'm searching for so i started this post
but as i see every one is against me here so my sincere apologies goes to every one and my thanks too
iximedaixi said:
Thank you guys for pointing me out to the right direction
though i still don't get it whether i'm wrong for being mean or not searching enough but trust me i'm not that bad i spent many time searching for a complete view for this rooting thing but i didn't find what i'm searching for so i started this post
but as i see every one is against me here so my sincere apologies goes to every one and my thanks too
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My point is just do not be rude or arrogant and there are tons of people here willing to help. I cannot help you at this time cause i am out of time collecting the proper links for you but when you ask right as i said i am sure a lot of ppl will help.
also try to understand even a little our manner because of the spam threads here.
no bad feelings
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My point is just do not be rude or arrogant and there are tons of people here willing to help. I cannot help you at this time cause i am out of time collecting the proper links for you but when you ask right as i said i am sure a lot of ppl will help.
also try to understand even a little our manner because of the spam threads here.
no bad feelings
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Yah and uh...sorry for calling you a He-She even though if you are that's totally cool and all. We're born who we are.
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Yah and uh...sorry for calling you a He-She even though if you are that's totally cool and all. We're born who we are.
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d33ps1x you are so funny
i like how this post is ending in dramatic way
iximedaixi said:
d33ps1x you are so funny
i like how this post is ending in dramatic way
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So, what happened with the rooting? Need more help?
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So, what happened with the rooting? Need more help?
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actually it's the exams season here in my country so i don't have much time to search the forum i guess i'll wait till the end of the exams and do it the hard way
but thank you anyway
I did some forum searching & Googling but I'm not able to find a reliable, working method of getting CWM recovery on the Note II. I want to keep the stock ROM, but not the stock recovery. I'm rooted with stock recovery right now.
Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.
look harder. Perhaps find a thread talking about root in the at&t noteII general forum.
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look harder. Perhaps find a thread talking about root in the at&t noteII general forum.
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"look harder"? That doesn't help me much. I used that "search in this forum" feature, where I typed in "clockworkmod" and came up with no results. A threat talking about rooting doesn't necessarily mean it will discuss CWM (I also checked the thread here for information on CWM, since that's the root method I used, but no dice). Not really sure which thread you want me to play hide & seek with.
Sorry to say but the person who responded to you is right... look for a thread that contains root for the note II
Really? You want to root your phone, but you are incapable of following simple directions? I did everything but give you a direct link to the thread. I told you which forum, which subforum, and a keyword to look for in the thread title.
If you aren't able to handle it, please DO NOT root your device and please DO NOT install a non-stock recovery.
Edit...im sorry guys...I want to keep this place pleasant and friendly.
I googled it and found it here and on the site I quoted.
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Here...I dont want to to see this forum to go to $***. Consider this my last spoon feed for the week.
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Fine - YOU support him if/when he screws it up.
Lets see if I even get a thanks... from the OP.
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Nevermind...youre right Gary...I shouldn't do it.
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Really? You want to root your phone, but you are incapable of following simple directions? I did everything but give you a direct link to the thread. I told you which forum, which subforum, and a keyword to look for in the thread title.
If you aren't able to handle it, please DO NOT root your device and please DO NOT install a non-stock recovery.
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No one is forcing you to help me, if you are going to be rude just kindly ignore me and move on. Also I don't need you to worry about my device, I can handle it just fine.
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No one is forcing you to help me, if you are going to be rude just kindly ignore me and move on. Also I don't need you to worry about my device, I can handle it just fine.
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Which part about my post is rude? I think you might be misinterpreting...
I'm very serious that if you are unable to find the post with the information you want based on the instructions I gave, that you have a high risk of screwing up your phone by flashing stuff on it. That's not being rude. That's trying to be helpful. Asking you to PLEASE not flash your phone is so I (and others like myself) don't have to spend the time trying to help you fix your phone afterwards (and so you don't have to spend the time asking for that help.)
Not everything on these forums is spelled out and spoon-fed to users. It's assumed that they have a certain amount of innate ability and prior knowledge. Lack of that ability and knowledge results in broken phones. I'm trying to help someone like that in another thread - they flashed the wrong thing to their phone and now, basically, they are screwed.
Granted, I might not come off as "newbie friendly" or even "user friendly." I'm an engineer. I'm one of the folks that make the things that people like you flash. For some reason people like me don't usually come off as being "nice."
I'm going to try (again) to be nice. Here's a link to a post I think it'd be good for you to read. This post tries to explain in a different way what I'm trying to say here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2031989&postcount=45
I suspect that if/when you understand that post, you'll better understand my replies.
take care and good luck
Gary
Thanks, it's sometimes hard to read tone on here, so i apologize for any misunderstandings.
I think i have a really bad time finding information, not because I'm a newbie at flashing, but probably more so due to the fact that development in this phone is so fresh, there isn't much information to centralize yet. But once i find the information i need i can usually handle the work involved.
I ended up finding the post you were talking about (well, i can only assume). Unfortunately i didn't find a walkthrough or step by step instructions. But at least i know a better place to find the information.
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Does it have to be cwm? Because for rooting, chainfire has cf root. And for recovery, twrp already supports our device. It's all in the original development sub forum. Won't be hard to find either. Those two things are the only threads existent there for now
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AlonB. said:
Does it have to be cwm? Because for rooting, chainfire has cf root. And for recovery, twrp already supports our device. It's all in the original development sub forum. Won't be hard to find either. Those two things are the only threads existent there for now
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Actually, that's a good idea. I had used the CWM Recovery originally on my i317, but found that when I tried to restore a backup I made with it, that nothing was actually restored. TWRP, on the other hand, seems to work okay backing up and restoring.
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Actually, that's a good idea. I had used the CWM Recovery originally on my i317, but found that when I tried to restore a backup I made with it, that nothing was actually restored. TWRP, on the other hand, seems to work okay backing up and restoring.
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Twrp has come a long way. To be fully honest, I kinda hated it at first, I don't even have a clue why, since I didn't try it prior to forming those feelings about it. But then I actually got to flash it, after some self convincing, on my s2 lte and it grew on me very quickly. And now, I prefer it over cwm
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If you need exFAT then use CWM which comes with CF_root which you can find the Original Dev forums. Use Odin,click on PDA then select the CF-Root.*.att file. It's that easy.
One thing about TWRP is that it doesn't support exFAT formatted SDCards, so if you have a 64GB like most folks on here & need exFAT for larger than 4GB file size, then CWM is the only way to go.
I think i may just wait a bit until more options become available. I don't need it right away. I'd rather sick with CWM since that is what I'm familiar with.
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Android.Addiction said:
I think i may just wait a bit until more options become available. I don't need it right away. I'd rather sick with CWM since that is what I'm familiar with.
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That's entirely up to you. Although I would suggest giving twrp a go, even just to try it out. My favorite features in it are the option to name your backup in recovery prior to creating it, and the fact that it actually does things faster than cwm
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Since this thread is going nowhere, but south...
Thread closed.
Yea sorry, I know there are tons of threads on rooting this stupid thing but I've been trying out so many different ways today and failed that I'm sick of and tired of this stupid piece of crap.
This is my brother's phone, and it's run out of internal memory (seriously 300 mb?), anyway he has like 10 apps installed on the internal memory, these plus all the updates have filled it up. So now I'm trying to root it so I can swap the SD cards (already got him a 32 gig microSD for that).
And oh boy am I sick of this thing, so far I've tried multiple options and none work, and some are too complicated with poor instructions for me to figure out.
Rooting my Galaxy W was so easy and this thing here just makes me hate everything.
Stuff I've tried:
Sony Xperia Flasher
ERoot
Flash tool
bootloader
I'm at the end of my wits here, completely frustrated and yea, if this where my phone I would have already smashed it with a hammer.
I really don't have time for this sh*t since I have to study for a big test, so I would appreciate something super simple and fast, like with the Galaxy W.
Again, sorry for sounding like a **** and creating yet another thread, but I'm desperate.
Thanks for any help.
dial *#*#7378423#*#* on your phone then go to service info then to configuration & at the bottom what does it say regarding your bootloader ?
Bootloader unlock allowed: Yes
Dead Metal said:
Bootloader unlock allowed: Yes
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this is good,what version of android do you have ?
It says Android Version 2.3.4
But build number 4.02.A0.69
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It says Android Version 2.3.4
But build number 4.02.A0.69
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ok i used this app to root my phone (google it or search this forum for it,easy to find):
DooMLoRD_v4_ROOT-zergRush-busybox-su
& i used this video to unlock bootloader:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-crbhMFSuaQ
Thanks , I'll try that tomorrow, right now I'm just too tiered.
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Thanks , I'll try that tomorrow, right now I'm just too tiered.
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if you need help send me PM & i will reply back in this thread. take care
If you want you can unlock the bootloader (loosing your warranty, of course), and then install a newer version of android up to 4.2.2, which is much more smoother than 2.3.4 and has much more features...
Madness, if you can't figure it out you're either not reading enough or just being lazy. There's about 4 or 5 links in my guide with how to root, add to that the amount of other threads there is, starting a new one means your lazy, because you've read nothing whilst signing up and just want to be spoon fed. Luck for you, there's some willing to do it.
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Rooting Tools
you can root using doomlord root script.
I have rooted several times after flashing few roms and the script works great.
Hope this helps..
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1321582
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Madness, if you can't figure it out you're either not reading enough or just being lazy. There's about 4 or 5 links in my guide with how to root, add to that the amount of other threads there is, starting a new one means your lazy, because you've read nothing whilst signing up and just want to be spoon fed. Luck for you, there's some willing to do it.
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Had you taken a look at my join date and post count you may have noticed how I did not sign up to be spoon fed to root this device. And had you read my post you may have noticed how I stated that I've already rooted the Galaxy W, which is my phone, which was also real easy and straight forward.
I signed up to be able to hit the thanks button for Sir Arco's CM10 ROM, and give feedback should I notice bugs or other problems with it.
All I wanted was to root it without flashing a new ROM, since all my brother wants is more space on his phone, I don't think he'll want to check the forums constantly to check if there's a new version of a ROM out so he can flash it, so unlocking the bootloader and flashing a new ROM would be pretty pointless.
you can try to use the doomlord process, but you will always install a new rom, in that case will upgrade de phone to 4.0.3 and then you will be able to root the phone with de .bat file inside :good:
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Had you taken a look at my join date and post count you may have noticed how I did not sign up to be spoon fed to root this device.
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But you still clearly hadn't read anything whilst signing up, otherwise you wouldn't have started a new thread on something as common as "how do I root". I assume you will have managed it by now?
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But you still clearly hadn't read anything whilst signing up, otherwise you wouldn't have started a new thread on something as common as "how do I root". I assume you will have managed it by now?
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I did, which is why I apologized for posting another thread like it, there where also no I do I root this in this forum, since apparently I'm the only one who had trouble with the options that are posted in the guide threads.
And no, the doom script did not work, it did say it was successful but the phone remained unrooted. So after a couple more tries (and rectifying the "drivers out of date" error message) I unlocked the bootloader, tried again a couple of times still to no effect. So I want ahead and flashed a new ROM and Kernel. At first my brother wasn't too happy about that but he's starting to like the new ROM.
Man, it was easier flashing android onto the bloody HP Touchpad than this phone.
Hi,
First, consider I am a beginner so I do not know the keywords you use. (like brick-unbrick-cm10-flash-rom-debugg-recovery mode...)
I want to benefit from my phone.
1- By rooting it. Please tell me what is the latest/tested/safest/compatible method to do so.
2- By having IF possible the latest android version after the latest/official update that is the 4.0.4 for my phone.
I really want a good guide that won't give me almost any errors because I will not know how to deal with them and if putting the latest android version will do so, I won't do it. But my main concern is rooting it.
[Edit]I did some research since I still got no replies so I found there is the Bin4ry method. Is this the one for me?
Thanks for a detailed answer for a beginner.
Your website is great
(I already created a topic before but I was given 2-3 different methods so I didn't know which one to choose so I hope this time you can help)
About my phone:
I have an LG Nitro HD P930 bought from the USA so they wrote on it at&t and updated with the LG tool to ICS 4.0.4.
Baseband version : APQ8060/MDM9200.
Kernel version : 3.0.8-perf
Build number : IMM76D
Software version : LG-P930-V20c-JUN-25-2012
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Specifically.. Rule #1 & 5
Does no one read stickies?
I really want you to take a look at the XDA Mantra.. I couldn't put it better myself:
I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position.
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When I first got here from the Sony Ericsson dev forums of my previous phone (w810i) I knew absolutely nothing about android, or any smart phones.. However, I've been doing web/gfx design & coding for many years and I know how to learn fast. That being said, I didn't feel it necessary to make one thread and before I knew it I had rooted, and flashed a custom recov/ROM within 24 hours. Now yes, I had my share of problems but I was actually quite well versed because of it..
The moral is that you'd be answering the same question asked by the next guy if you did the same thing. Trial and error is how humans learn.
First, if you are a beginner as you said, what is the reason you think you need root? Most users probably don't even need it.
Second, and im sure this is going to be your next thread; you have official ICS which means locked boot loader. In layman's terms, no roms can be flashed without unbricking.
Either way, there's literally 5 or 6 rooting guides.. Did you even try?
This community frowns on people who continuously ask the same questions especially when the answer is on the front page of that very forum... It gets very frustrating to see the same question asked day after day by people who aren't even willing to try. And the fact that you've already asked once and now felt it necessary to make a whole new thread to do it again tells me rooting and modding isn't for you.
There's literally no negative result from a failed root attempt.. However, succeeding will void your warranty, and if you don't know how to find resources on your own you'll probably end up with a bricked phone (won't boot and/or worse... )
Questions are fine, not bothering to do any research or trial/error is not.
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Judging by your +Thanks I take it you see what I'm saying, however looking back I just want to add that I'm not trying to make you look stupid or single you out.. and I apologize if it came off that way.
To answer your question better: typically the latest guide with the most recent replies is the one people are using. Just open the thread and read the last few pages to see if anyone has linked a newer guide or better method.
Afterward I'm assuming you'll want to try jb at some time which will mean you'll have to unbrick. There's a newer unbrick guide that is specifically designed to help with people who've flashed the official ICS and licked their bootloader. I suggest that one. Too hard to link on the fly so you'll have to do some recon
Good luck and thanks for taking the time to read my thoughts.
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First, thanks for replying.
First, I am not the kind of person you are talking about. In fact, I feel sad for creating this thread now after your reply.
I want to learn but I find it hard to find the resources. Give me a good source of 10 pages and I am ready to read it to learn.
For example now, I saw different methods one of them sparkyroot one of them the bin4ry method and others but I don't know with which one should I proceed with. I don't know which one is compatible with my phone. I don't know if any user having my phone is facing problems after rooting since every popular thread have a minimum of 200 pages.
I posted this thread because I am scared of "trying" like you said and making an error while rooting and having my phone bricked and it is not a simple error I will get but a major one since I am modifying the root of my phone so I do care if my phone will face any error. I don't want to pay for a new phone or searching for someone to repair it.
I am still 16 years old, trying to learn, but it is so hard for me to find the tools on Android, none of my friends know anything about these stuffs and there are no tech guys in my place if I have questions. In two years I will be in university studying in CCE and this is to show you I like the programming stuffs but I need help starting. I do like exploring and learning like I do on my laptop and on my Ipad but the guides here are harder to find. When I first wanted to jailbreak my Ipad, I 've read a lot of step by step guides and found redmondpie.com which gives answers and guides to almost everything but I don't know where to start for Android since there are tons of models, forums, threads, methods etc.
As I said in the title, I want to make the max out of my phone so I want to be able to have the latest updates since the last one is ICS, getting rid of the useless apps, managing the startup apps, adding the coolest and most useful tweaks like I try to do on my jailbroken Ipad. To sum up, doing EVERYTHING none of the people around me know how to do and being able to have kind of a unique phone full of nice tweaks.
I hope you really understood what type of person I am.
So back to my problem,
I didn't know "There's literally no negative result from a failed root attempt".
I read that the sparkyroot uses an "old exploit"
I read that that the bin4ry method is new but I didn't find my model listed in it, in fact, I was more confused when I new there are models of my models like when I read v20c and v20e etc so I didn't know if I will have my phone bricked while using a bad method.
I don't know which ROMs are compatible with my device and my main problem is : I can't find answers for MY device since there are tons of guides and devices on Android unlike on IOS where you find the same guides, problems and solutions (I am not saying IOS is better in fact I like Android for its open OS based on Linux if I read well).
So I came here searching for not only the answers but the latest answers in which errors are fixed and which will not create problems with my device.
I knew XDA is one of the best communities for Android users but I can't seem to find easy guides for beginning and developing my knowledge.
I thanked your answer because you took time replying me but I need any help for starting. For example I found here a really good explanation of ROM http://droidlessons.com/what-are-roms-for-android/ and I really liked the "What kind of benefits can a custom ROM give me?" but I am scared of "2. Custom ROMs may have bugs that cause your device to have issues" and this is why I am posting this thread to know more of ROMs particular to my model version, and it is not as simple as that to find answers for my phone's questions I mentionned on the thread.
Proceeding
Yes.. I also don't like the people who want the answer directly without caring about all the effort the dev made and what they are really doing so I understand why you first posted your reply.
I will not do anything before wednesday (I have exams :s )
But first if I want to root, the latest method is the bin4ry one if I searched well.
I ve read about superoneclick http://androidjinn.com/how-to-root-lg-nitro-hd-the-easy-way.html but I told the guy who posted the thread about my first thread I posted on XDA so he told me to try the sparkyroot method here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2044645 but then someone told me "TPSparkyRoot is based on an old exploit and works on v18f(4.0.3) only. Thats just for rooting if you want to install CWM, you mush "unbrick" your phone."
So, should I proceed with the bin4ry method? (I am scared having errors as I told you so is this the one I should try?)
After having my phone rooted, to have JB on it, you told me I should unbrick it (did I understand you well?) To do this, I've read "Just rooting, you shouldn't lose your data.... following an unbrick guide on the other hand, you will." does this mean like a "format" for my android? I do not mind doing so because in that way I will have a new phone wiped from all the things I installed on it.
So, I should backup all of my data first.
But which unbrick guide should I follow, the latest one on the LG Nitro HD section is this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1597488
So again the same question, is this the one for me? Should I do it after rooting my phone? And do you know known bugs?
I am detailing you my answer to show you I am searching but I still need help.
Thanks.
Wow.. Loaded question.
Truepeace said:
First, I am not the kind of person you are talking about. In fact, I feel sad for creating this thread now after your reply.
I want to learn but I find it hard to find the resources. Give me a good source of 10 pages and I am ready to read it to learn.
For example now, I saw different methods one of them sparkyroot one of them the bin4ry method and others but I don't know with which one should I proceed with. I don't know which one is compatible with my phone. I don't know if any user having my phone is facing problems after rooting since every popular thread have a minimum of 200 pages.
I posted this thread because I am scared of "trying" like you said and making an error while rooting and having my phone bricked and it is not a simple error I will get but a major one since I am modifying the root of my phone so I do care if my phone will face any error. I don't want to pay for a new phone or searching for someone to repair it.
I am still 16 years old, trying to learn, but it is so hard for me to find the tools on Android, none of my friends know anything about these stuffs and there are no tech guys in my place if I have questions. In two years I will be in university studying in CCE and this is to show you I like the programming stuffs but I need help starting. I do like exploring and learning like I do on my laptop and on my Ipad but the guides here are harder to find. When I first wanted to jailbreak my Ipad, I 've read a lot of step by step guides and found redmondpie.com which gives answers and guides to almost everything but I don't know where to start for Android since there are tons of models, forums, threads, methods etc.
As I said in the title, I want to make the max out of my phone so I want to be able to have the latest updates since the last one is ICS, getting rid of the useless apps, managing the startup apps, adding the coolest and most useful tweaks like I try to do on my jailbroken Ipad. To sum up, doing EVERYTHING none of the people around me know how to do and being able to have kind of a unique phone full of nice tweaks.
I hope you really understood what type of person I am.
So back to my problem,
I didn't know "There's literally no negative result from a failed root attempt".
I read that the sparkyroot uses an "old exploit"
I read that that the bin4ry method is new but I didn't find my model listed in it, in fact, I was more confused when I new there are models of my models like when I read v20c and v20e etc so I didn't know if I will have my phone bricked while using a bad method.
I don't know which ROMs are compatible with my device and my main problem is : I can't find answers for MY device since there are tons of guides and devices on Android unlike on IOS where you find the same guides, problems and solutions (I am not saying IOS is better in fact I like Android for its open OS based on Linux if I read well).
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Not sure exactly what you mean.. If you searched you'd have found on the very first page of this very sub-forum:
Root LG Nitro HD on ICS
In post # 4 you can see that the method linked worked.. and this was posted this month.. Not sure why you have so much trouble finding this info.. It's right here, and if you notice; if that fellow had bothered to search, he'd have found the same info that the first response provided. It's literally all right here. XDA is usually the one-stop-shop for all required info and resources, so long as you're willing to look.
Nevertheless, I've tried both of these methods, and both worked first try for me. However, you usually only have to do this once, and Ive done it both on GB when I first got it, and then again on ics 4.0.4 when I updated like a moron without reading... This was a great example of a "lesson learned" for me.. and trust me, I am better for it.
I don't understand what you're "scared" of... Basically, as long as you follow the guides properly you'll never have a problem..
However, if you are flashing custom ports, or beta release roms that are known to be unstable (it will always say); then your worst "fear" would be having to follow the Unbrick Guide, which shouldn't take more than 30-45 mins tops after the first run-through in which you obtain all the required files. Unless you do something stupid -- usually caused by not following/reading guides properly.. again, most of the time human-error is the only culprit of bricks -- your phone will never be "broken beyond repair."
Warnings are typically clearly stated -- I can't stress this enough: READ READ READ (replies, comments, reports, bugs.. all listed in the same thread as the guide itself).
So I came here searching for not only the answers but the latest answers in which errors are fixed and which will not create problems with my device.
I knew XDA is one of the best communities for Android users but I can't seem to find easy guides for beginning and developing my knowledge.
I thanked your answer because you took time replying me but I need any help for starting. For example I found here a really good explanation of ROM http://droidlessons.com/what-are-roms-for-android/ and I really liked the "What kind of benefits can a custom ROM give me?" but I am scared of "2. Custom ROMs may have bugs that cause your device to have issues" and this is why I am posting this thread to know more of ROMs particular to my model version, and it is not as simple as that to find answers for my phone's questions I mentionned on the thread.
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Again, "bugs" and "issues" usually means random reboots, or force closing of apps... Nothing serious. Flashing CM nightly (trusted dev) is very safe IMO.. Flashing custom ports is probably the most risky. but again, nothing an unbrick cant fix in 45 mins or so.
Truepeace said:
Yes.. I also don't like the people who want the answer directly without caring about all the effort the dev made and what they are really doing so I understand why you first posted your reply.
I will not do anything before wednesday (I have exams :s )
But first if I want to root, the latest method is the bin4ry one if I searched well.
I ve read about superoneclick http://androidjinn.com/how-to-root-lg-nitro-hd-the-easy-way.html but I told the guy who posted the thread about my first thread I posted on XDA so he told me to try the sparkyroot method here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2044645 but then someone told me "TPSparkyRoot is based on an old exploit and works on v18f(4.0.3) only. Thats just for rooting if you want to install CWM, you mush "unbrick" your phone."
So, should I proceed with the bin4ry method? (I am scared having errors as I told you so is this the one I should try?)
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It was more a general look at the rules. Not specifically saying you're like that, I just think he worded it well so I thought I'd share.
Anyways, from my experience as long as you have the drivers properly installed and don't let your antivirus delete the zergrush or other exploit file (because it will), superoneclick has always worked first try for me. However some people report having to try multiple times so just keep trying.
As I said, all rooting guides use pretty much the same exact tools, just worded differently or a different app that does the same thing.
After having my phone rooted, to have JB on it, you told me I should unbrick it (did I understand you well?) To do this, I've read "Just rooting, you shouldn't lose your data.... following an unbrick guide on the other hand, you will." does this mean like a "format" for my android? I do not mind doing so because in that way I will have a new phone wiped from all the things I installed on it.
So, I should backup all of my data first.
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Yes, the official ICS update locks the bootloader so you have to follow the same guide you would if you had "bricked" your phone.
Flashing any ROMs or doing pretty much any modding requires a full wipe. Simply back up your data (I suggest helium).
After you flash a custom recovery (CWM), you can do what's known as a Nandroid backup, which (basically) backs up every last detail of your current running ROM including settings for all installed apps, games, etc. as well as settings for the OS itself, wifi info, etc. -- Let me put it this way, if you restore a nandroid backup, it's as if you never wiped/flashed anything else. This is the best benefit of flashing a custom recov. (IMO) besides flashing roms of course.
Rooting is very non-intrusive.. Unless you have apps that require root, you wouldn't even notice. There's no risk of errors or bricked via root itself, however.. Root means "admin" or "full" access. You will have access to things that are normally hidden/protected from accidental changes.. Similar to the control panel in windows.
As with any computer, If you go deleting things or editing important options like a moron after obtaining root then yes, you will have problems. That's the whole point of why phones don't come with root access.. People who aren't smart enough to figure it out most likely aren't smart enough to handle it.. (Ie. General public).
But which unbrick guide should I follow, the latest one on the LG Nitro HD section is this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1597488
So again the same question, is this the one for me? Should I do it after rooting my phone? And do you know known bugs?
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I'm not sure what you mean by bugs.. It works 100%. Its user error that is the problem.
Google "how to unlock p930 bootloader".. Its clear as day
I am detailing you my answer to show you I am searching but I still need help.
Thanks.
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That's the point.. Read the mantra more closely. The whole point is to try.. You learn by trying.. If you're afraid to get a little dirty sometimes, then this stuff probably isn't for you.
One last tip: Read guides fully before starting and make sure all files are still available/alive. This ensures you don't get stuck half way through. You'll thank me later.
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PS: mattman was kind enough to make an updated repo for us.. It's on this same sub-forum:
[May 05, 2013] Repository
This contains an updated list of almost all important resources. Just read the guide you're interested in, and like I already said; go to the last page and read every post from the last 3-5 pages if necessary. Most of the time, this is where the latest bugs, and newest updated info is located in any thread.. Its very simple. Did you read my post or just skim through it?
PPS: HO!NO! has been kind enough to offer a mirror of all the required files for unbricking, as well as many other useful resources. If you look around you'll find everything you need right here.
Heres the guide you want for rooting official ICS:
Note: Disregard the word "Bell" in the title.. It'd be the same for any provider, so long as you're running a p930 (even then, it probably works for the 935, 936, and su640, etc.)
[GUIDE] How to ROOT Bell official v20e firmware
Here's the guide you want to use for both rooting, and unlocking bootloader if you're going to want to flash a custom recovery and/or roms:
Note: I highly recommend.. Clockworkmod Recovery is extremely useful, and nothing beats CM10.1 RC2 + Wind Kernel 2.01 as far as battery life is concerned, and the features JB offers over ICS are simply amazing.. (as long as bluetooth isn't a deal-breaker for you -- this should be fixed soon though.. we're getting very close.)
[GUIDE] Rooting and Unbricking p930/p935/p936
FYI: I found all of this info in a matter of seconds.. This is why it's so frustrating when people ask this every day.. lmao
Good luck.
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On Friday (1/6) I opened my freshly purchased pixel XL and was happy to see it was still on 7.1. Given the status of many of the how to threads for the XL (Op not fully updated), I struggled to unlock the bootloader. I left the SIM card in and activated the phone. I even punched in my wifi password and got to the "checking for updates screen" before I started to read everything. I eventually got through it an unlocked the bootloader, slapped TWRP on it and flashed root. So far so good...
Then I started to read through the pain of updating manually to 7.1.1. No thanks. Kind of annoyed, I went about my merry way and just decided I'd hassle through it when something really important mandated it.
Fast forward to today, I noticed a bunch of apps had updated over night and something just seemed odd. So I checked the phone build number and it was updated to 7.1.1. Horrified, I installed quickboot and rebooted to recovery without issue, including SuperSU providing it root....whew!
My question - How did I get the OTA without losing TWRP and root? From what I've read, if you side load the OTA updates, you have to flash it again. I'm on the latest TWRP (RC1) and I've updated SuperSU binaries the easy way.
EDIT- By the way, this is the Verizon version (can't beat $15/m no trade in).
Because sideloading an OTA is a different update. You took the incremental OTA, which is a lot smaller and doesn't include installing to partitions that will break root. When you sideload the OTA, it's a "full OTA" and includes much more.
I would strongly suggest you disable automatic system updates and only manually update from here on out. It's far more risky taking incremental OTA's while rooted and modified than sideloading an OTA yourself when you can control it and flash everything you need to not bootloop.
Consider yourself lucky that you took it and didn't bootloop. But you are even more lucky that you got a 7.1 from Verizon! Nice.
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On Friday (1/6) I opened my freshly purchased pixel XL and was happy to see it was still on 7.1. Given the status of many of the how to threads for the XL (Op not fully updated), I struggled to unlock the bootloader. I left the SIM card in and activated the phone. I even punched in my wifi password and got to the "checking for updates screen" before I started to read everything. I eventually got through it an unlocked the bootloader, slapped TWRP on it and flashed root. So far so good...
Then I started to read through the pain of updating manually to 7.1.1. No thanks. Kind of annoyed, I went about my merry way and just decided I'd hassle through it when something really important mandated it.
Fast forward to today, I noticed a bunch of apps had updated over night and something just seemed odd. So I checked the phone build number and it was updated to 7.1.1. Horrified, I installed quickboot and rebooted to recovery without issue, including SuperSU providing it root....whew!
My question - How did I get the OTA without losing TWRP and root? From what I've read, if you side load the OTA updates, you have to flash it again. I'm on the latest TWRP (RC1) and I've updated SuperSU binaries the easy way.
EDIT- By the way, this is the Verizon version (can't beat $15/m no trade in).
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What pain of updating to 7.1.1.
xnatex21 said:
On Friday (1/6) I opened my freshly purchased pixel XL and was happy to see it was still on 7.1. Given the status of many of the how to threads for the XL (Op not fully updated), I struggled to unlock the bootloader. I left the SIM card in and activated the phone. I even punched in my wifi password and got to the "checking for updates screen" before I started to read everything. I eventually got through it an unlocked the bootloader, slapped TWRP on it and flashed root. So far so good...
Then I started to read through the pain of updating manually to 7.1.1. No thanks. Kind of annoyed, I went about my merry way and just decided I'd hassle through it when something really important mandated it.
Fast forward to today, I noticed a bunch of apps had updated over night and something just seemed odd. So I checked the phone build number and it was updated to 7.1.1. Horrified, I installed quickboot and rebooted to recovery without issue, including SuperSU providing it root....whew!
My question - How did I get the OTA without losing TWRP and root? From what I've read, if you side load the OTA updates, you have to flash it again. I'm on the latest TWRP (RC1) and I've updated SuperSU binaries the easy way.
EDIT- By the way, this is the Verizon version (can't beat $15/m no trade in).
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I bought the verizon version a while back, unlocked the bootloader. Here is the thing now, when you unlock the bootloader, you'll be good. You can download the google factory images, and flash your phone to the latest version, then you can reflash twrp and super su again. You'll not use the ability to add TWRP everytime because restoring or flashing the images, vendor, even stock recovery does not lock the bootloader. You can also have a custom rom for a piece of mind flashed, I am currently on pure-nexus, which is great and stable for me. I understand if you want to stay fully stock. Did I make any sense to you?
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What pain of updating to 7.1.1.
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Exactly. It doesn't get much easier than double clicking a flashall.bat.
toknitup420 said:
What pain of updating to 7.1.1.
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spotmark said:
Exactly. It doesn't get much easier than double clicking a flashall.bat.
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I guess I'm just used to downloading a rom and gapps on my phone, clicking reboot to recovery, wipe/flash/wipe (or just dirty flash). Involving a PC, downloading the latest twrp, supersu, rom and whatever the tool of the day, is a pain comparatively...not to mention having to read pages and pages of threads because the OP isn't up to date and one step that is buried is critical. I understand this may come across as ungrateful. It isn't meant that way. I appreciate the many thankless hours people are putting into this. But from a user point of view, jumping through the hoops and risking bricking a $800 phone because the steps aren't short and simple, doesn't have the same value as when it is easy.
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I guess I'm just used to downloading a rom and gapps on my phone, clicking reboot to recovery, wipe/flash/wipe (or just dirty flash). Involving a PC, downloading the latest twrp, supersu, rom and whatever the tool of the day, is a pain comparatively...not to mention having to read pages and pages of threads because the OP isn't up to date and one step that is buried is critical. I understand this may come across as ungrateful. It isn't meant that way. I appreciate the many thankless hours people are putting into this. But from a user point of view, jumping through the hoops and risking bricking a $800 phone because the steps aren't short and simple, doesn't have the same value as when it is easy.
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It will change. This phone is very different, it's not as open during the boot process as it used to be. Going to take some time to pull it all together. You won't brick it. You may soft brick it but a factory image and flashall.bat will pretty much always save you.
xnatex21 said:
I guess I'm just used to downloading a rom and gapps on my phone, clicking reboot to recovery, wipe/flash/wipe (or just dirty flash). Involving a PC, downloading the latest twrp, supersu, rom and whatever the tool of the day, is a pain comparatively...not to mention having to read pages and pages of threads because the OP isn't up to date and one step that is buried is critical. I understand this may come across as ungrateful. It isn't meant that way. I appreciate the many thankless hours people are putting into this. But from a user point of view, jumping through the hoops and risking bricking a $800 phone because the steps aren't short and simple, doesn't have the same value as when it is easy.
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The Pixels are a little trickier than Nexus devices of the past in terms of flashing stuff, but you'd almost have to TRY to brick the phone. As long as you keep your bootloader always unlocked, you will always have a way to restore it.
In the future, if you keep your stock recovery, you can sideload OTA's through ADB by downloading the OTA from the Google site, and then using adb sideload ota.zip inside recovery with sideload selected. Alternatively, you can download the entire factory image for the new version, use Notepad to edit the flash-all.bat to remove "-w" from the file - it's in the middle of a flash command - and it will prevent it from wiping your device. But it will wipe out all your system modifications, if you made any.
I hit a "no command" recovery bootloop once when I tried manually updating, and didn't think I'd be able to get out of it because even flash-all.bat was not working (insufficient space error) for no good reason, and no article online has the proper new manual fastboot flash commands for Nougat devices using seamless updates. I think I know the commands now, but the SkipSoft Unified Toolkit is a GREAT tool (simplifies a lot of modification processes for a lot of devices) and automatically flashed the entire factory image for me, fixing the device.
xnatex21 said:
I guess I'm just used to downloading a rom and gapps on my phone, clicking reboot to recovery, wipe/flash/wipe (or just dirty flash). Involving a PC, downloading the latest twrp, supersu, rom and whatever the tool of the day, is a pain comparatively...not to mention having to read pages and pages of threads because the OP isn't up to date and one step that is buried is critical. I understand this may come across as ungrateful. It isn't meant that way. I appreciate the many thankless hours people are putting into this. But from a user point of view, jumping through the hoops and risking bricking a $800 phone because the steps aren't short and simple, doesn't have the same value as when it is easy.
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Updating this phone is easy as hell. You sound like someone who isn't willing to put in the effort to learn how to properly do this stuff. Using fastboot is extremely easy. To sit there and say jump through hoops is ridiculous. You won't brick you're 800$ device if you know what you're doing. And there's plenty of guides out there on how to use fastboot that a complete noob can understand. This stuff isnt meant to be short and simple. Don't modify you're device if you don't want to learn how to properly do it.
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Updating this phone is easy as hell. You sound like someone who isn't willing to put in the effort to learn how to properly do this stuff. Using fastboot is extremely easy. To sit there and say jump through hoops is ridiculous. You won't brick you're 800$ device if you know what you're doing. And there's plenty of guides out there on how to use fastboot that a complete noob can understand. This stuff isnt meant to be short and simple. Don't modify you're device if you don't want to learn how to properly do it.
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Nice troll or you didn't read and understand what I wrote. Maybe typing it again will help you, the "noob" at comprehension. Looking at your username, I'm probably wasting my time though.
It's not easy compared to download, wipe, flash, wipe. Are you really questioning this?
The guides on XDA are riddled with one off steps buried pages into the thread. I know people are working on this in their spare time so updating a guide is grunt work compared to coding and compiling. But for someone who just got the phone and can't even set it up for fear of losing the ability to unlock their bootloader without reading every page of every thread, it's a bit much.
Did anyone make me do any of this? Of course not. But thanks for your permission to not do it going forward.
To everyone else who replied in this thread respectfully, thank you.
xnatex21 said:
Nice troll or you didn't read and understand what I wrote. Maybe typing it again will help you, the "noob" at comprehension. Looking at your username, I'm probably wasting my time though.
It's not easy compared to download, wipe, flash, wipe. Are you really questioning this?
The guides on XDA are riddled with one off steps buried pages into the thread. I know people are working on this in their spare time so updating a guide is grunt work compared to coding and compiling. But for someone who just got the phone and can't even set it up for fear of losing the ability to unlock their bootloader without reading every page of every thread, it's a bit much.
Did anyone make me do any of this? Of course not. But thanks for your permission to not do it going forward.
To everyone else who replied in this thread respectfully, thank you.
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Troll? Seriously? Because you're a lazy user who doesn't want to put in the time and effort to properly mod you're device. Can't wait to see you're thread about help I'm soft bricked and don't know what to do. I only wanted you to take the time to learn everything so you don't mess up you're phone. But apparently you think it's too much of a pain. Enjoy you're future bricked phone.
Sadly this is what it's like on many xda threads.
One must read hundreds or in many cases thousands of posts to find out what could have been summed up on the op's original message with a simple 1-10 steps.
And if you call anyone out on it you get the backlash that you received in this thread. It's just the way it is here. Some nice helpful folks and many that just look for a fight.
This thread turned into a mess. All anyone with a Verizon model needs to know is that if you are on 7.1 you can unlock your bootloader. If you are already on 7.1.1 you can't unlock your bootloader and likely will never be able to.
Once you unlocked it you have nothing to worry about. It will ONLY get locked again if you yourself lock it via fastboot with the appropriate command. If you are not rooted and do not have twrp installed you will still get OTA notifications and be able to install just like you normally would. Your bootloader being unlocked has nothing to do with OTA updates.
I do agree with the previous post though. There's no denying that the pixel is different so things aren't as simple and we have some extra steps in order to keep root and twrp and also install updates. To whoever responded to him saying he was lazy is just looking for drama. Ignore it
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Sadly this is what it's like on many xda threads.
One must read hundreds or in many cases thousands of posts to find out what could have been summed up on the op's original message with a simple 1-10 steps.
And if you call anyone out on it you get the backlash that you received in this thread. It's just the way it is here. Some nice helpful folks and many that just look for a fight.
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what's sad is you guys feel you shouldn't have to read like the people who has been around for years when there was no one to ask. Just should ask and get spoon feed help I just don't get it. I can build kernels from source Roms I do mad mods to my personal setup how did I learn by spending weeks of my time reading and learning. Guess I should have just come here begging for help instead right? And @toknitup420 works we me he can do pretty much everything I can do and people wonder why we don't post our work on XDA cause of users like in this thread. It's a shame entitled users are ruining XDA or users that think their entitled.
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xnatex21 said:
Nice troll or you didn't read and understand what I wrote. Maybe typing it again will help you, the "noob" at comprehension. Looking at your username, I'm probably wasting my time though.
It's not easy compared to download, wipe, flash, wipe. Are you really questioning this?
The guides on XDA are riddled with one off steps buried pages into the thread. I know people are working on this in their spare time so updating a guide is grunt work compared to coding and compiling. But for someone who just got the phone and can't even set it up for fear of losing the ability to unlock their bootloader without reading every page of every thread, it's a bit much.
Did anyone make me do any of this? Of course not. But thanks for your permission to not do it going forward.
To everyone else who replied in this thread respectfully, thank you.
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By his username WTH does that mean? Smh
He has 420 in his username. Google it if you don't know the reference. Or do we need to "spoon feed" it to you?
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what's sad is you guys feel you shouldn't have to read like the people who has been around for years when there was no one to ask. Just should ask and get spoon feed help I just don't get it. I can build kernels from source Roms I do mad mods to my personal setup how did I learn by spending weeks of my time reading and learning. Guess I should have just come here begging for help instead right? And @toknitup420 works we me he can do pretty much everything I can do and people wonder why we don't post our work on XDA cause of users like in this thread. It's a shame entitled users are ruining XDA or users that think their entitled.
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By his username WTH does that mean? Smh
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First off why don't you read before you make a post like this. Nothing bad or disrespectful was posted. The other person was simply talking about the pixel being more complicated then other devices and stuff like that. It was no indication of him being too lazy to read threads. Then your "boy" felt the need to comment and start useless drama twisting the other guys words. You sit here and say "this is why I left XDA" yet you are the one who just went out of your way to continue the pointless drama that started because neither you nor your friend can read. YOU and YOUR post are the reason people get fed up with this place. You are contributing to drama your friend started on a forum for a device you clearly don't even own. Didn't you say you left XDA? So why are you posting here? I'm sure you're "mad skills" would be more useful somewhere else. Seriously grow up and at least read and know the story before you comment.
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First off why don't you read before you make a post like this. Nothing bad or disrespectful was posted. The other person was simply talking about the pixel being more complicated then other devices and stuff like that. It was no indication of him being too lazy to read threads. Then your "boy" felt the need to comment and start useless drama twisting the other guys words. You sit here and say "this is why I left XDA" yet you are the one who just went out of your way to continue the pointless drama that started because neither you nor your friend can read. YOU and YOUR post are the reason people get fed up with this place. You are contributing to drama your friend started on a forum for a device you clearly don't even own. Didn't you say you left XDA? So why are you posting here? I'm sure you're "mad skills" would be more useful somewhere else. Seriously grow up and at least read and know the story before you comment.
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when did I say I left XDA? Your right I can't read get a clue I wonder how I program CNC machines everyday when I can't read. I didn't read the post I replied clearly.
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He has 420 in his username. Google it if you don't know the reference. Or do we need to "spoon feed" it to you?
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Yeah spoon feed it to me please!! Google it your funny I'm a grown man I partake in it myself as it's legal..Once again I still don't see the point of why his username has anything to do with it. You sound very butt hurt are you a snowflake?
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when did I say I left XDA? Your right I can't read get a clue I wonder how I program CNC machines everyday when I can't read. I didn't read the post I replied clearly.
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Yeah spoon feed it to me please!! Google it your funny I'm a grown man I partake in it myself as it's legal..Once again I still don't see the point of why his username has anything to do with it. You sound very butt hurt are you a snowflake?
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Notice how every post you feel the need to try and brag? We just met you and we already know you build kernels, do "mad mods" to your phone, and you program CNC machines.. You both were looking for drama where the was none is the bottom line. So why not end it
aholeinthewor1d said:
First off why don't you read before you make a post like this. Nothing bad or disrespectful was posted. The other person was simply talking about the pixel being more complicated then other devices and stuff like that. It was no indication of him being too lazy to read threads. Then your "boy" felt the need to comment and start useless drama twisting the other guys words. You sit here and say "this is why I left XDA" yet you are the one who just went out of your way to continue the pointless drama that started because neither you nor your friend can read. YOU and YOUR post are the reason people get fed up with this place. You are contributing to drama your friend started on a forum for a device you clearly don't even own. Didn't you say you left XDA? So why are you posting here? I'm sure you're "mad skills" would be more useful somewhere else. Seriously grow up and at least read and know the story before you comment.
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Wait I clearly don't own a pixel XL that's too funny you don't even know me yet you know what phone I own... I left XDA you said but I'm the one that can't read wow
This isn't a pixel XL :good: