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A friend of mine dropped her Defy on to a stone floor from a few feet.
The screen broke with several cracks from the impact point. Strangely, the phone still works fine although it's a little uncomfortable swiping across the cracks!
I thought these phones used gorilla glass? Is that not the case?
Wasn't there a vid of a Defy being run over on Youtube?
Very disappointing and worrying seeing as I got my GF one for Christmas based on its ruggedness.
Regards,
Richard
PS It was a T-Mob UK version that broke if that makes any difference.
I've seen such a video which featured the Defy being run over and still working, although the screen was pretty smashed...
I've read a few reports elsewhere of screens breaking from relatively small drops. I guess they are ruggeder than most, but not all that...
Gorilla Glass isn't indestructible, just more resistant to it than regular glass. Even in this marketing video the screen was cracked (although still intact enough to resist the water attack afterwards)
You can probably get a replacement glass facing from Motorola. Well they must have quite a few spares around given the hubbub with the failed earpieces (that needs a full glass replacement)
So... any one got an idea as to how difficult it is to swap the glass?
R.
Personally I wouldn't try to change the glass myself due to the water tight seal.
Take it to your dealer and let them deal with it. Even if they charge you for the work it might be worth it not voiding the warranty.
/J
fruktflugan said:
Personally I wouldn't try to change the glass myself due to the water tight seal.
Take it to your dealer and let them deal with it. Even if they charge you for the work it might be worth it not voiding the warranty.
/J
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Good point!
Hope my friend has got some good phone insurance!
Replace broken glass
Here is a video clip of me trying to replace a broken glass. The first part is only the disassemble. Check youtube for more.
Good effort!
It looks like getting the glass out of the front cover is quite hard. I was sure you were going to cut yourself...
Where did you source the replacement glass from? Did it come in a kit with the glue etc.?
R.
Gorilla glass is scratch resistant not shatter proof, there is a massive difference.
Well it wasn't that hard. I found the replacement glass on ebay, search for defy digitizer. Unfortunately there was no adhesive included so the final result was not so very nice. The new glass got a bit dirty from the adhesive I used. Here you can se the final result and the assemble:
The OEM adhesive is available from globaldirectparts, however you have to buy 5pcs minimum. At $5, it's affordable, but not cheap considering it's only a really thin piece of sticky foam. On other forums, people have used silicone-based glue, still maintaining waterproofness.
Many Broken screens
I've broken my motorola defy screen a few times, and collected experiences on www.motoroladefy.eu
vids for how to fix and links to the parts I ordered that worked.
If you go for display with front cover, don't forget to move the earpiece!
Are there any products like this that OEM's use in ma ufacturing to coat the boards and inside of phone or like the, I think, liquipel, where you send your phone e off to be coated professionally. Only type of spray I've found is for leather and fabric really. Nano sprays and products like Scotchgard and vinylex. Anything for electronics commercially available? I've double coated the outside of phone with rain x but that was more for substituting oleophobic coatings. I dont need absolute waterproofing but would like enough protection if I had to use my phone in a moderate rain I could, if touchscreen allowed with the raindrops and all.
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Are there any products like this that OEM's use in ma ufacturing to coat the boards and inside of phone or like the, I think, liquipel, where you send your phone e off to be coated professionally. Only type of spray I've found is for leather and fabric really. Nano sprays and products like Scotchgard and vinylex. Anything for electronics commercially available? I've double coated the outside of phone with rain x but that was more for substituting oleophobic coatings. I dont need absolute waterproofing but would like enough protection if I had to use my phone in a moderate rain I could, if touchscreen allowed with the raindrops and all.
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Liquipel 360 coming soon...
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Liquipel 360 coming soon...
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For consumers in a spray bottle? Or is that some consumer grade chamber to gas the phone with nano coating like some companies do?
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For consumers in a spray bottle? Or is that some consumer grade chamber to gas the phone with nano coating like some companies do?
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I highly doubt it's going to be a consumer DIY. I'm thinking it's the chamber deal like it was before, send it in & they send it back to you... A DIY product would be amazing!!!
This phone can be opened up. But even if we couldn't get into the innards with the 20 screws, it would still be nice to tape the sim/sd card slot, camera and battery contacts and spray the whole phone. I've already double coated the outside of my phone with rain x but that just makes water run off easier and bead. I'd like a little more resistance. Not a big deal though. Just knowing the tech is out there I would like to take advantage. But do it myself.
Wouldn't coating the internal components change their heat dissipation capabilities?
With a nano coating I doubt it would be noticeable. Some of the water resistant phones like Motorola are nano coated and don't hear issues of those overheating.
Today I had a slight mishap in a local shop, a lack of communication with the shopping assistant led to my phone falling from around shoulder height (1.5m+) onto solid hard wood flooring, perfectly screen down, in one of those landings where the device remains perfectly still after impact.
I felt sick, I was ready to call her manager and start legal proceedings, if it were not for my Spigen Ultra Hybrid. There is not a single scratch on the case or device, I also have a cheap wet application screen protector that I doubt contributed to keeping my device save.
So from me, what I thought was a "weak" case from Spigen, turned out a rather efficient one and would thoroughly recommend to others.
Your mileage may very, but for now, lets just say a bareback S8+ wouldn't have survived that fall in any way shape or form, without sustaining cracked glass throughout.
Nice!!
Cool. Thats why i went with spigen as well. Using tough armor.
The screen may very well have been weakened by this.....next time it might go with a lesser fall.
Besides the point
I have insurance on the device, and it costs me £50 ($65) US to replace it, so I ain't going to buy a stupidly expensive combo of case and protectors.
I'm just happy that cases work
Hey guys. I've never used TGSP before. I've always opted for the wet-install self-healing ones and am quite used to those. They do have some cons, but I have felt the pros outweigh them. OTOH, I've never had a $1000 phone and I'm wondering about the true benefit of TGSP.
I realize that a TGSP will give a glass feel and some people opt for it over the others for that sole reason. I'm more interested in the actual protection offered. For sake of this conversation let's dismiss clarity, fingerprints, etc and talk about actual protection offered from impacts (and to a lesser extent scratches, though I think any protector will protect against a scratch).
My questions are:
1) Do those of you using TGSP simply not care about laying the protector in direct contact with the surface? Because it isn't the original screen you aren't as concerned if scratches were to appear? Or the TGSP just have a good enough scratch resistance that you aren't concerned? I ask this because I can see just by looking at many of your user installed pics and looking at the cases on my current phones (different makes/models) and all 16 cases I reviewed here. I would say that none of these cases have a high enough lip that I don't forsee a TGSP making the screen flush (or even past) the lip of the case.
2) How well does a TGSP actually protect against a break of the glass compared to the actual screen? I mean the screens are made of break resistant glass and are much thicker than a TGSP. I have seen quite a few people with phones with what looked like cracked screens, but turned out it was just their TGSP that broke and they hadn't replaced it yet. My belief/guess though is that whatever cracked their TGSP wasn't necessarily powerful enough it would have cracked their actual screen. IOW, I feel that they would break more easily than the actual screen and anything powerful enough to break the actual screen the TGSP probably wouldn't do much. Now saying this I realize it isn't completely useless - there is probably a level of pressure which the TGSP might protect, but clearly it isn't 100%.
I've looked extensively online and found lots of videos that show people surviving stress/drop tests with TGSP. Many times they break, but the phone is undamaged.
I have not found a SINGLE one where they take the same phone, one with TGSP and one with nothing and do the same test. Can anyone point me to any?
I guess many of you might say that it is only $5 for an average one, so why take the risk? I guess there is logic there, but it really isn't $5 if you don't want so many of the issues presented in this thread. You either spend $40+ on a dome or you spend half that for a DIY LOCA install or you suffer with halo, raised edges, etc. Again many of you may argue that even $40 for the Dome is worth the cost just for the piece of mind. Again, there can be logic there - but peace of mind/"just in case" is just that - it isn't fact and I have a really hard time spending the money for what might just be a placebo. I haven't used TGSP in the past and never broke a screen. Additionally, to the best of my knowledge phone screens have only gotten better over time (higher levels of Gorilla Glass, etc) that as time moves on I'm less likely to break one.
Can anyone offer anything more than anecdotal evidence that TGSP really have major benefits in this area? Again, I'm not saying they don't have benefits over other types of protectors, I'm just not convinced that protecting the screen from shattering is one of them.
Thanks.
The TGSP are much smoother than the self healing protectors, the Whitestone Dome is even smoother than the other TGSP that I've tried on the 3XL. I've personally seen several people with the self healing protectors who have dropped their phone and had the screen break. I have never heard of, or seen, anyone breaking the screen with a TGSP installed, the protector breaks instead. As you said there is no real proof on youtube that a TGSP is better than a self healing one so I think we'll have a hard time convincing you that they are worth the money. For me spending $40 to protect the screen on my $1000 device is a no brainer especially considering the quality/coverage of the Dome vs. the others that are available.
Long ago when I bought my first Nexus device, the Nexus one, I used the Zagg invisible shield. I was able to get a perfect application and it was great. The phone was less then a week old when it fell off my night stand and the screen died, the glass didn't break but it didn't work either. It started with a one Pixel width line down the screeb then eventually the screen just stopped showing anything/working all together. I had to send it back for repair. Worst birthday in a long time.
Since then I went off on the long and arduous journey of finding the perfect balance of screen protection and phone protection. Generally I buy several cases and TGSPs when I buy new phones, which is 2-3 times a year.
Since the Nexus one I've had numerous drops, broken TGSPs, and damaged cases but never once have I had to send my phone to get repaired. I'm so adament about it I make all my family/friends get TGSPs and cases. And luckily everyone I know minus one guy who goes swimming with his phone has been "saved" from costly repairs.
Microscratches aside, the idea is to "protect" your investment. Most people don't buy a new phone every year. And with the cost of replacements/insurance getting higher every year it's worth a few extra dollars and a bit of a bulkier phone in the end.
I get it there are those that don't do anything because that is how the phone is meant to be used. However minus the iPhone XS (and Max) I have yet to see a phone take any kind of fall without damage. I have a 19 month old and she loves phone's almost as much as I do but for very different reasons. When she throws a tantrum she'll throw whatever is in her hands, including my and my wife's phones. While coming back from Hawaii this year, United airlines messed up big time and I was stuck with wife and toddler in an airport in Chicago. Needless to say the daughter threw my phone umpteen times. She has an arm like a cannon, lol. No damage to the Pixel 3 XL, my iPhone X, or any of my other devices and everything works fine. But I can attest to the fact that if I didn't have a TGSP or case they would have all been costly repairs.
In the end it's up to the user but I can say that TGSPs over the skins and cases go a long way to save some headaches. The reviewers online might say otherwise but I truly believe they don't hold on to phones as long as the general populace.
So on the TGSP side what you get is, higher phone screen shatter resistance through absorbtion. Think of it as a bullet proof vest for your phone. The TGSP will take the brunt of the incident but don't think its 100% protection. It really does a good job of reducing the likely hood of a broken screen glass. Avoiding Microscratches, are a side effect of having a TGSP. I know of many people who don't listen to my advice and then complain that the screen is scratched or broken. Even a skin is better than nothing but as my story goes to prove nothing is 100%.
It sucks that I can't really keep the asthetic of the phone but hey if it cost less then maybe I'd be willing to make that sacrifice. Lol
Your question is complex, but the answer is very simple:
TGSP's are designed to take the brunt of the impact force and dissipate it across the area of the TGSP instead of transferring to to your phone. It's why we buy $5 TGSP's and just replace them when they break to avoid paying $100 to replace the phone's screen.
As mentioned already, the wet install TPU screen protectors have ZERO shatter protection for your screen. They are only there for scratch protection and are really an outdated technology.
The biggest down side of the TGSP though is lack of full screen coverage. None of them (not even the whitestome dome) can cover 100% of the phone's glass. There will always be 1-2mm gap around the edge of the protector that is exposed to potential scratches, but worse yet, is the awkward cut-out shapes that are required to avoid the proximity sensor. Your phone will almost always land on that spot when it falls lol - Murphy's Law!
If you're really worried about the TGSP being too thick and sticking above the raised lip of the case, then try a flexible glass or hybrid screen protector. They are super thin and still offer shatter resistance. Only downside, is they aren't as hard, so they can get scratched after a few months. Get 2 or 3 and you'll be good for a year.
from a materials perspective, glass is abrasion resistant by being very hard. plastic is soft and susceptible to abrasion. in terms of cracking, plastic is less likely to have crack initiation (which typically takes place near microcracks) and crack propagation, and it is also able to absorb energy in the form of deformation (plastic is more springy). glass is more likely to break than bend, but if an impact would have broken the phone screen and instead that energy goes into breaking the glass cover, then you have a sacrificial layer of protection (much like aluminum has an oxidized surface layer that promotes corrosion resistance of the whole). Plastic may transfer more energy than it is able to absorb considering the energy required to deform plastic is much less than that of glass, and once the plastic has bent, that bending can then bend the glass of the phone. by transferring the force.. which glass doesnt like.
It would be interesting to compare the performance of the two types under various drop conditions.
I decided to switch carriers and try a new smart phone and went with Tmobile and a Galaxy 20S. I was surprised on how slim and light the phone is upon picking it up. The retail store did not have any cases I liked so I ordered a case off Amazon and decided to not take my phone out of the house until I had a case for it. Well......
I had my phone for about 4 days using it in the house. My phone was sitting on the arm rest of my couch and slid off , dropped and landed on the laminate floor. A fall of less than 20". The rear glass cover is cracked on opposite corner edges.
My phone and camera work fine but I am simply amazed at how fragile the 20S is or maybe its just my 20S. I have no idea if its a factory defect and I have never seen anything like it. Its really more fragile than an egg. If the phone is this delicate it should come WITH some type of case or more durable gorilla glass. I am 57 years old and owned several brands of smart phones ( coming from an LG V30) and I have never dropped or broken a phone before in my life. Be aware my cracked 20S could be a fluke or a sign of a bigger issue. Now I need to find a place to replace mt rear cover.
The Galaxy 20 S needs a GOOD case so be advised if you have one be darn careful with it. The quality of the phone ( use) is excellent , its the durability issue that makes me concerned. If a laminate floor cracked the rear glass a drop on concrete will likely kill the phone. Pretty sad for a device that costs a grand or more.
Depends on which angle your phone falls, it is just glass. Gorilla glass is anti scratch but not anti crack.
Also the phone comes with a case, it's in the box and I will recommend you use it while waiting for the better one you ordered on Amazon to arrive.
Glass is glass and glass will break.
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vash_h said:
Depends on which angle your phone falls, it is just glass. Gorilla glass is anti scratch but not anti crack.
Also the phone comes with a case, it's in the box and I will recommend you use it while waiting for the better one you ordered on Amazon to arrive.
Glass is glass and glass will break.
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It needs a "fragile" logo embossed on it................
Rear screen and replacement from a Samsung authorized repair center is $109.17 / FYI
cal50 said:
It needs a "fragile" logo embossed on it................
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Just got to be careful of where you put and how you handle it.
I haven't dropped or broken a phone or misplaced one in 12 years.
Mainly because i see the item as $$$ and to get $$$ took me months of hard work.
It's WAY more break prone than other phones.
Watch and wait . Great phone for function and features, build durability is iffy at best,IMHO.
If you spend over a thousand dollars for a phone in this day and age a good case is mandatory. Otherwise you are just playing Russian Roulette and sooner or later it's gonna fall on the floor. I love the OtterBox cases. I had the commuter for many years for the S7 edge and Note 8. When I got the Ultra 512 gb I want with the Defender Pro and glad I did. First day I got the phone it was knocked off the kitchen table at work and landed on a concrete floor. Not even a scratch. So you can either wait for your beautiful caseless phone to shatter when you have an oooops moment or you can invest in a top quality case.
Everyone, well most of us, have heard the expression you cannot have your cake and eat it too!
This applies well to our beloved smart phones.
You can have something durable in its creaky, plasticky, feels like a piece of s4!+ design and all (Blackberry anyone?) that can be kicked, tossed, dropped, etc. Doesn't need a case at all.
Or the latest designs that are thin, glass on front and back with metal trim that feel like quality in hand with no squeaks or twists when handled. But if you drop them without a case you will regret it! Even if the glass doesn't chip or break there will be nicks/scratches in the bezel/frame that gets the best of the OCD types.
So now we have cases that are essentially mandatory to everyone that has to carry their devices around. The best cases combine looks/feel while offering adequate protection and then some are purely based on protective qualities alone that make our phones feel like bricks!
I do like thin cases like Pitaka but also will use something with a bit more protection if I'm running around outdoors or up in the air (tower/ladder/tree) etc. I used to use a rigid holster that would fit a specific case but gave up on those due to having to buy so many. And they didn't actually protect the screen as well as you'd think. I use a pouch now with a clip for belt and has a loop that my Grip6 belt can pass through making it utterly impossible to lose the pouch with phone safely inside.
The only thing I haven't figured out is how to make a case puppy teeth proof!
Irony :
Designing something for great looks and feel.
Has to be put in a case that wipes out the looks and feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the phone but it really is delicate. Sometimes adding thicker glass or raised impact frame is better for function and longevity.
This is the 1st smart phone I have damaged from a very minimal drop. The plus version I think has a raised camera module that takes a beating from setting it down on a flat surface. I almost selected that one for the bigger battery and glad I got the S20. The S20 will be a money maker for repair shops.
cal50 said:
Irony :
Designing something for great looks and feel.
Has to be put in a case that wipes out the looks and feel.
Don't get me wrong, I do love the phone but it really is delicate. Sometimes adding thicker glass or raised impact frame is better for function and longevity.
This is the 1st smart phone I have damaged from a very minimal drop. The plus version I think has a raised camera module that takes a beating from setting it down on a flat surface. I almost selected that one for the bigger battery and glad I got the S20. The S20 will be a money maker for repair shops.
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The Ultra has a raised camera lens too, but the silcone case im using is just right enough to make it flush so theres no problem with putting it down for me.
Damage the front glass, display or camera module and a $109 rear cover will be a bargain.
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The Ultra has a raised camera lens too, but the silcone case im using is just right enough to make it flush so theres no problem with putting it down for me.
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If it's flush, it would still come into contact with any surface you placed it on. I'm having a hell of a time finding a case that maintains a thin profile but has raised edges along the camera so that it can be recessed. In the meantime I use a little tempered glass protector back there. But it sucks cause it smudges easily and isn't as easy to clean. The search continues.
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If it's flush, it would still come into contact with any surface you placed it on. I'm having a hell of a time finding a case that maintains a thin profile but has raised edges along the camera so that it can be recessed. In the meantime I use a little tempered glass protector back there. But it sucks cause it smudges easily and isn't as easy to clean. The search continues.
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The lens does not come in to contact with the surface so n like i said its good for me.
Darkat70 said:
The lens does not come in to contact with the surface so n like i said its good for me.
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Ah so it's not flush
chetly968 said:
Ah so it's not flush
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Its flush, but for example if i wet the surface with a cloth then place my phone down. The case is wet, the camera lens is dry.