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Are there any ( current ) reasons NOT to root?

Just wondering - there seems to be across various threads hints at reasons not too, such as iffy GPS & battery performance hit.
Anything I should be aware of before I try ( just made a Goldard )

If you screw up the Apps2SD installation, you can kiss your USB functionality goodbye. It's less concerning because it's affecting very few people, but it's more concerning because nobody really knows why it happens in the first place. They're still working on possible fixes.
I've experienced better battery life, myself.

J-Zeus said:
Just wondering - there seems to be across various threads hints at reasons not too, such as iffy GPS & battery performance hit.
Anything I should be aware of before I try ( just made a Goldard )
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Search! Read! Post new thread anyway? Sigh!!!
I came on the forum for a look around about 45 minutes ago, ever since I have been reading and reporting threads (as per recent mod request) that shouldn't exist in the first place.
Please search, read, learn instead, far more fruitful and doesn't damage the forum usability for everyone else.

Good thread. I learned something here.
Go easy on the OP.
It's not that easy to search and find the older threads because few people tag their threads. In this case he did fine the threads but perhaps he wants to know in the context of THIS phone? Also, this thingy evolves very fast so an updated info is probably warranted.

Sorry j-zeus if I was a little over zealous there. This was about the fifth thread I had come across. I'm sure you can appreciate the irony of stating in your OP that you had found other threads on the subject but that you had decided to start a new one anyway.
Anyway, I didn't mean to be rude or combative, I just wanted to point you in the right direction for future posts. It really does make life easier if the forum is well organized without multiple threads on the same subject.
Cheers.

One reason NOT to root now that I could think of:
Google IO is only few weeks from now (May 19-20), there they will most probably announce Froyo, Android 2.2.
It would be wise to wait what will come out.
APP2SD will be native if they include it in 2.2 (I [email protected]!).

@ farnsbarns
No worries - I do know how to search and did. I find it somewhat over the top as it throws up 28 thousand snippets of information that you have to trawl through only to find it's out of date already - and for a non techie like me this leads to masses of confusion. I post the question to get the latest feedback, not stuff from 2 months ago ( also as posted it helps others too ).

1 reason is: it wipes your phone and you get a random other rom, which might have stuff missing you are used to.
sense for example is missing for sure.

This is the kind of thread where my sig really makes a lot of sense...

J-Zeus said:
@ farnsbarns
No worries - I do know how to search and did. I find it somewhat over the top as it throws up 28 thousand snippets of information that you have to trawl through only to find it's out of date already - and for a non techie like me this leads to masses of confusion. I post the question to get the latest feedback, not stuff from 2 months ago ( also as posted it helps others too ).
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I agree the search facility is not the best on this forum and after searching for a few hours its easier to give up as i have normally lost the will to live by then.

and it's funny that there's an exact same thread right below this one.

snudel said:
1 reason is: it wipes your phone and you get a random other rom, which might have stuff missing you are used to.
sense for example is missing for sure.
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Sense is only missing if you... pick a ROM that's missing Sense. That's a very silly and misleading thing to say.
The default rootedupdate.zip that's provided with the unlocking method is just the stock ROM with root; it still has Sense. Half the ROMs on XDA for the Desire still have Sense. Saying you lose Sense when you get root is just flat-out false.

pympster said:
This is the kind of thread where my sig really makes a lot of sense...
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LOL - thats a big 10/4 Papa Bear

Mokurex
"and it's funny that there's an exact same thread right below this one. "
That's not my fault - the thread was moved!!!

Although this is now going off topic can I say I agree the search on here is ****. Plus, if people keep having a go at people for starting new threads then you will probably finds this will stop people from posting what might be valuable info for fear of being rebuked.
And yes, why do people feel the need to preach about seaching? Get a feckin life!!!!

firedup said:
Although this is now going off topic can I say I agree the search on here is ****. Plus, if people keep having a go at people for starting new threads then you will probably finds this will stop people from posting what might be valuable info for fear of being rebuked.
And yes, why do people feel the need to preach about seaching? Get a feckin life!!!!
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Thats not on really, I did try the search before I added my post and I was easily able to find threads relating to this topic which is where this question should have been posted. Even the OP acknowledges the existence of other threads in the.. er... OP.
I added a note to the J-Zeus in case he/she felt my response was over zealous as upon re-reading it it does sound a little sarcastic and he/she has responded amicably. The thread has been moved since my post.
I have been using this forum ever since I got involved in hacking my XDAII (new account since then as lost my details) and the desire section is the messiest I've seen, I guess because this is the first iPhone killing android phone and has proven to be unbelievably popular. I was only trying to ensure this forum remains usable, ordered and collaborative.
What I said was in line with the forum rules, your response isn't.

J-Zeus said:
@ farnsbarns
No worries - I do know how to search and did. I find it somewhat over the top as it throws up 28 thousand snippets of information that you have to trawl through only to find it's out of date already - and for a non techie like me this leads to masses of confusion. I post the question to get the latest feedback, not stuff from 2 months ago ( also as posted it helps others too ).
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Coolio!
BTW I don't know if you have spotted but there are 3 search tools on the forum. The one at the top between new posts and quick links is a...
'site:xda-developers.com <your term here>' Google search.
But once you are in a thread, at the top of the OP there is the option to 'search this thread' which may help out in some searches as it is, of course, limited to the current thread only.
In any given forum section, in the same position, there is the option to 'search this forum'

gogol said:
One reason NOT to root now that I could think of:
Google IO is only few weeks from now (May 19-20), there they will most probably announce Froyo, Android 2.2.
It would be wise to wait what will come out.
APP2SD will be native if they include it in 2.2 (I [email protected]!).
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So Desire will get an update from Android 2.1 to Android 2.2 (Froyo) ?

So Desire will get an update from Android 2.1 to Android 2.2 (Froyo) ?
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By no means guaranteed but hopefully! I am sure they will make it exclucive to the N1 for a while. Even if there is no official update I rather suspect it'll find it's way onto the device through the Devs here and else where.

farnsbarns said:
By no means guaranteed but hopefully! I am sure they will make it exclucive to the N1 for a while. Even if there is no official update I rather suspect it'll find it's way onto the device through the Devs here and else where.
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IMO that would be very strage if Desire wont get Froyo and would be dated after two months.
But I have seen Google Nexus One with Desire's OS, which means we will be able to put Nexus One's or Magic's Froyo if it wont be offered officialy ?

eta for working camera and sound?`

Hi, I'm using android on my tilt 2 right now and like it quite a bit. However, I won't use it full time because it doesn't have sound support or camera support, or bluetooth lol.
Do we have an ETA for those things?
Also, would someone please instruct me as to how I can find/measure the hardware interrupts of the device so that I may pass the info along to some other developers I know who don't have an HTC phone.
Thanks
Smith

i feel a flaming coming on... you might want to read some threads before speaking in here...

It's an honest enough question here.
I don't mean to seem impatient, because i'm not. I'm happy with what there is. Was simply wondering, especially because I may be able to contribute to the project.
If you're going to flame though, I guess it's time to get your caps-lock on. Won't bother me.

You could have asked this in one of the main threads... or used the search function to search for your answer which has been all along "when we get it we get it... no eta"
Seems pointless to start a new thread on this thats all

smithisize said:
It's an honest enough question here.
I don't mean to seem impatient, because i'm not. I'm happy with what there is. Was simply wondering, especially because I may be able to contribute to the project.
If you're going to flame though, I guess it's time to get your caps-lock on. Won't bother me.
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No one questions your honesty. It is just that this topic has been discussed ad nauseum. It would have been easier for you to just to do a simple search.
...It's an honest enough answer here.

HeXeD said:
i feel a flaming coming on... you might want to read some threads before speaking in here...
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haha.. a good roast always teaches you to use the search function anyways .lol

smithisize said:
Hi, I'm using android on my tilt 2 right now and like it quite a bit. However, I won't use it full time because it doesn't have sound support or camera support, or bluetooth lol.
Do we have an ETA for those things?
Also, would someone please instruct me as to how I can find/measure the hardware interrupts of the device so that I may pass the info along to some other developers I know who don't have an HTC phone.
Thanks
Smith
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Last I heard was something about by July, but refusing to lock it down to a specific year.

no1 knows man, it will come out when it comes out ,just gotta wait

This question has been asked many times in this forums, but at the current state for the Rhodium, we don't have drivers for the sound from what I have heard.
As for bluetooth, I am not sure what the current state is, but I heard that the bluetooth is a completely different from other devices that HTC has made.
Kenichi

Maybe we should make this a sticky for those who can't read too good or are too lazy to use the search option. Kind of getting tired of going through the main thread and half the posts are just the same regurgitated questions. Or maybe we should create a ban if the same question has been asked more than say 3 times.

If you want to help there is some IRC channel or something I think I remember reading. or PM phhusson maybe? He seems to be heavily involved.
In case you didnt notice, people are a little sensitive about the sound/camera questions around here. Probably because they were flamed for asking it too It almost like it is the first question everyone asks when running android for the first time.

cameraand sound?
I think that's like asking when exactly will Windows Phone 7 come out, or when will the next solar eclipse be, maybe even, where did you put your keys last?
When people get it to work is when you will have it. I don't think anyone knows exactly how it works, something to do with hardware issues, so until it's cracked/figured out there can't be a date.

roast him !!!!

kawasaki9r said:
I think that's like asking when exactly will Windows Phone 7 come out, or when will the next solar eclipse be, maybe even, where did you put your keys last?
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That's it! I now know we're getting sound and bluetooth on July 11th this year, at precisely 19:34:38 UTC!
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEmono/TSE2010/TSE2010.html
Sorry, couldn't resist Gotta admit, eclipses are really interesting things. Maybe read about 'em to pass the time while the chefs continue do their awesome work on these difficult technological puzzles.

really
some of you guys are funny and make jokes about it which is funny and tolerable, but then we have those "followers" that repeat what is already stated (roast em this and that it was said already really how many posts do we have to see about that.) its a forum, it a community and give positive help and stop always cherping because a. u probably didnt have the nadz to roast anyone and b. really you didnt have to come to the post to read it you could have easliy went to the next one. its ten times easier to give help and pass a joke damn stop being so uptight become a leader not a follower...pretty much everything is unknown till they release it or they mention it on the site, but feel as thou the camera will probably be the last thing thou if they do get it to work properly (all speculative based on the fuze)

A good read: http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=121743

Well, it's good to see some positive feedback on here
I appreciate all of your guys' answers!

I came accross this video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ6pr8AJxbg
It is showing a working speaker while in-call @ 4min.
How's that possible ?
I guess it was a mistake making the ARM9 launch the rear-speaker when in call, but can't that help ?

Scotchy49 said:
I came accross this video on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJ6pr8AJxbg
It is showing a working speaker while in-call @ 4min.
How's that possible ?
I guess it was a mistake making the ARM9 launch the rear-speaker when in call, but can't that help ?
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he was using the speakerphone when he booted android. you know, it seems a lot of crap is dependant upon being active in windows for it to work in android (keyboard backlight, front hardkey lights, etc.). i wonder is there a way to make everything active at boot time, like camera, speaker, etc etc. not saying it would magically make the stuff work properly, but might make it easier to mess with some stuff to try n get it working ?

I was thinking the same thing, I tried playing music when I started up android.. no luck, and the speaker phone is just a line the the startup.txt if Im remembering correctly

Easy rooting with 'Simple Root' (EVO 4G) - Also possible for Desire?

I am sorry if this should have been posted in general, but I think it has to do with development.
I just found some info about a program called 'Simple root', currently only for the Evo 4G. From what I have read it is a program to root your device with just a few clicks (so noob proof).
I wanted to notify you about this, first of all. Second, do you guys think it is possible to make something like this for the Desire? Or does the one for Evo also work for the Desire?
I am really a biiiiig NOOB regarding rooting etc, so this would be perfect for me. And I think a lot of other noobs would be happy as well.
Again, sorry if I did something wrong here (duplicate thread, wrong section, etc)
Kind Regards, Mark
Edit: THE LINK down below
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=706411

that would be too awesome

Honestly, I'm sorry, but what's the point? The current methods are easy enough - if you can't (not saying you, just someone generally) can't follow those, I can see a few stupid threads coming up:
i tried 2 root my desire bt it sed it failed wot do i do
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And they'll be clueless as to how to extract debugging messages. I may be alone in my opinion, but I thought I'd share it

jayshah said:
Honestly, I'm sorry, but what's the point? The current methods are easy enough - if you can't (not saying you, just someone generally) can't follow those, I can see a few stupid threads coming up:
And they'll be clueless as to how to extract debugging messages. I may be alone in my opinion, but I thought I'd share it
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i second that

jayshah said:
Honestly, I'm sorry, but what's the point? The current methods are easy enough - if you can't (not saying you, just someone generally) can't follow those, I can see a few stupid threads coming up:
And they'll be clueless as to how to extract debugging messages. I may be alone in my opinion, but I thought I'd share it
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Yeah, it should be kept as elitist as possible. I think only people with 10 years coding experience and a self compiled version of their own linux kernal should be allowed to root their phones.
Seriously, come on. Making it friendly is not a bad idea. I know what I'm doing, and I'd still rather press 1 button over all other current options. It makes no difference because I had no trouble following rooting instructions from r1 up to r6. I just think simpler is better.

jayshah said:
Honestly, I'm sorry, but what's the point? The current methods are easy enough - if you can't (not saying you, just someone generally) can't follow those, I can see a few stupid threads coming up:
And they'll be clueless as to how to extract debugging messages. I may be alone in my opinion, but I thought I'd share it
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Dude, 1-click root is a better method than buying 3/4 sd cards to create a gold card. Whenever a better solution/design comes up, people leave the old stuff behind.

unclesomebody said:
Yeah, it should be kept as elitist as possible. I think only people with 10 years coding experience and a self compiled version of their own linux kernal should be allowed to root their phones.
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maybe not this pro but if someone is rooting a phone, that person should know a little bit about what he is doing. its not rocketscience, every body can learn it, but if we start making stupid-one-klick-iam-an-idiot-rooting than no one will try to learn it.....

i agree with last post but....
nowhere in development does it even explain what things like dalvik cache or kernels actually. i reckon alot of people here into flashing and tinkering with their phones are just following instructions. ie there's a difference between a qualified mechanic and someone that messes around under the bonnet at the weekend.
in terms of rooting i found this guide the most useful, it has all the files you need and has a VIDEO walkthrough. SIMPLE really SIMPLE. requires no linux, coding or anything.
http://theunlockr.com/2010/06/07/how-to-root-the-htc-desire/

tuntang said:
nowhere in development does it even explain what things like dalvik cache or kernels actually.
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XDA is a resource, a good resource is that, but it is not complete. Even Wikipedia is not complete, if you think about it.
Copying everything to one place will just cause redundant (and possibly outdated) information. Let the people who know what they're talking about, do so (i.e. Cyanogen).
unclesomebody said:
Yeah, it should be kept as elitist as possible. I think only people with 10 years coding experience and a self compiled version of their own linux kernal should be allowed to root their phones.
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I can't even tell if your misspelling of "kernel" is intentional.
unclesomebody said:
Seriously, come on. Making it friendly is not a bad idea. I know what I'm doing, and I'd still rather press 1 button over all other current options. It makes no difference because I had no trouble following rooting instructions from r1 up to r6. I just think simpler is better.
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So the current version is unfriendly? Another reason against making this process wholly autonomous is that you'd then have to waste someone else's time writing an application to fix the USB issues, because there's going to be people who got used to the easy of a giant button labelled "Click here to root" so now do not know what adb is.
Simplification can cause loss of information. Suppose the case comes around where the program crashes in a rare event, but the adb connection stays open. It's also far too cumbersome to catch every error, such as an invalid goldcard or the SD card being out of space. If the rooting process was a kernel exploit, this wouldn't be a problem. See below.
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Dude, 1-click root is a better method than buying 3/4 sd cards to create a gold card. Whenever a better solution/design comes up, people leave the old stuff behind.
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This is a completely different argument. You have assumed there is a 1-click rooting method available, which there isn't (yet). The only way your argument would hold is if there was a kernel exploit available currently that gave you root, but you only got it uncompiled and had to do the legwork yourself - which isn't the case. The actual argument was about converting the existing method to a few clicks as possible.

It's easy enough as is. We're not iPhone users after all, we don't need big shiny buttons to understand

starchildx said:
maybe not this pro but if someone is rooting a phone, that person should know a little bit about what he is doing. its not rocketscience, every body can learn it, but if we start making stupid-one-klick-iam-an-idiot-rooting than no one will try to learn it.....
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this is true - but there are developers and there are consumers.
anything that represents 'progress' should be seriously looked at.
I think fake-flash is just one excellent example where something that wasn't especially complicated in the first has been made way simpler.....

My reply was deleted?
Current method is easy enough. We need FULL root, easy way or not =)

cr1960 said:
this is true - but there are developers and there are consumers.
anything that represents 'progress' should be seriously looked at.
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Sure,but i think there are more important things to do than making a 1-click-root.

starchildx said:
Sure,but i think there are more important things to do than making a 1-click-root.
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There always will be something more important than something else, but it's in no way an argument against doing it.

will/can anyone pick this up ?

Hello as we all know rhe future of the galaxy note 4 depends on arm64 and unfortunately Samsung has decided to run the device in 32 bit only mode so can anybody pick this project up ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...ers-only/wip-64bit-build-exynos-5433-t3090926

Cilekcigs said:
Hello as we all know rhe future of the galaxy note 4 depends on arm64 and unfortunately Samsung has decided to run the device in 32 bit only mode so can anybody pick this project up ?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/no...ers-only/wip-64bit-build-exynos-5433-t3090926
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Apparently you're a junior around and don't know much about this 32/64 bit thingy.
The answer is no, no one is able to do anything about it, the 64 bit will never happen.
The kernel is 32 bit locked. Why? Ask Samsung.
And did you read and understand this sentence from AndreiLux ?
"You can't simply make a 64bit kernel because it won't work due to the hypervisor and AArch64-specific exception models. The whole lower level bootloaders need to be adapted, and that's not possible."
Another answer is - how on earth do you think is Samsung seeing the Note 4 from the ROI (return of investment) and sales and marketing poin of view?
When every manufacturer is consumption oriented?

w41ru5 said:
Apparently you're a junior around and don't know much about this 32/64 bit thingy.
The answer is no, no one is able to do anything about it, the 64 bit will never happen.
The kernel is 32 bit locked. Why? Ask Samsung.
And did you read and understand this sentence from AndreiLux ?
"You can't simply make a 64bit kernel because it won't work due to the hypervisor and AArch64-specific exception models. The whole lower level bootloaders need to be adapted, and that's not possible."
Another answer is - how on earth do you think is Samsung seeing the Note 4 from the ROI (return of investment) and sales and marketing poin of view?
When every manufacturer is consumption oriented?
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Hello yes I'm new and no I'm not saying Samsung should just go out and make a 64 bit kernel. I always thought that people make custom ROMs because they love their phone not for just a temporary solution before you get a new phone (I know ROMs like linage and RR are made for many devices not one). Thanks for the explanation.

Cilekcigs said:
Hello yes I'm new and no I'm not saying Samsung should just go out and make a 64 bit kernel. I always thought that people make custom ROMs because they love their phone not for just a temporary solution before you get a new phone (I know ROMs like linage and RR are made for many devices not one). Thanks for the explanation.
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Well, most of the times people make custom ROMs out of passion and a thrilling sensation of sharing knowledge. Most users of these custom ROMs are the beneficiaries of a temporary solution before getting a new phone. Some love their phone which is still good and has features which newer phones don't have. And other reasons. We shouldn't generalize.
Somehow this activity became less and less possible. Locked bootloaders are the more popular. Consumerism is the daily driver and this affects the existence of custom ROMs.
It's sad to see android devices of 1-2000$ getting only 2 major updates. And then you need to invest again in a new device.

does this site still allow questions/threads/discussions about pocketpcs?

i know 2008 was 13 years ago and no website stays the same forever, but i know y'all used to be all about that kinda stuff back in the day, and considering how inactive other handheld computer/pocketpc communities are these days i figured i'd try my luck here.
so yeah. does this site allow questions about palmtops/handheld pcs/WinMo devices? and if so where would i post em?

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i know 2008 was 13 years ago and no website stays the same forever, but i know y'all used to be all about that kinda stuff back in the day, and considering how inactive other handheld computer/pocketpc communities are these days i figured i'd try my luck here.
so yeah. does this site allow questions about palmtops/handheld pcs/WinMo devices? and if so where would i post em?
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Hello and welcome to this forum, indeed we have the "old" device sections where you're looking for:
Legacy & Low Activity Devices
forum.xda-developers.com
You'll find lot's of former devices with Windows Mobile etc.
Neewer ones are listed here for example: https://forum.xda-developers.com/all-forums-by-manufacturer
Otherwise just type the desired device within the search box on top of the website

thanks :>

oh... im afraid none of those subforums apply to this particular situation. you see, im not talking about a phone. im talking about a PDA (specifically, an HP iPAQ). no cellular technology in here except *maybe* the wifi but that doesnt really count. if i missed something pls let me know, cuz i really need help with this relatively obscure issue :/

failsandwich said:
oh... im afraid none of those subforums apply to this particular situation. you see, im not talking about a phone. im talking about a PDA (specifically, an HP iPAQ). no cellular technology in here except *maybe* the wifi but that doesnt really count. if i missed something pls let me know, cuz i really need help with this relatively obscure issue :/
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You can always try you rluck and post on "General", maybe start something...
Like Make a thread called [DEVICE][PDA]HP iPAQ Development Thread and try to see if people come here. Your OP could be a place were you centralize all of the good input, links, development prospect about the device.
If you managed to develop something or have already some knowledge with that device feel free to share it within the thread. It may take time but once you gather a community around the device things starts to get interesting.
Of course it won't blow up instantly, patience is key !

failsandwich said:
oh... im afraid none of those subforums apply to this particular situation. you see, im not talking about a phone. im talking about a PDA (specifically, an HP iPAQ). no cellular technology in here except *maybe* the wifi but that doesnt really count. if i missed something pls let me know, cuz i really need help with this relatively obscure issue :/
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There are HP IPAQ threads available(example), just use the search function