[Q] Safe level of OC? ElementalX Settings? - Nexus 7 (2013) Q&A

I would like to flash the Elemental X Kernel over CleanROM, and I am interested in slight OC'ing. I notice with the installer it sets the boot CPU and GPU to what you set it to during the install.
If I use trickster mod can I go back to stock if I set the cpu to 1.7ghz in the install?
I figured 1.7-1.8 would be a mild OC and no more than the preferred 450 for the gpu. What does everyone else use? I game a lot on the nexus but don't want to overheat the device too much.

Br4nd3n said:
I would like to flash the Elemental X Kernel over CleanROM, and I am interested in slight OC'ing. I notice with the installer it sets the boot CPU and GPU to what you set it to during the install.
If I use trickster mod can I go back to stock if I set the cpu to 1.7ghz in the install?
I figured 1.7-1.8 would be a mild OC and no more than the preferred 450 for the gpu. What does everyone else use? I game a lot on the nexus but don't want to overheat the device too much.
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Yes, you can go back to whatever frequencies you desire and for the heat, for me, it heats up no matter what
However these temperatures are normal so nothing to worry about.
I live in the Caribbean with a Tropical Climate and i run at 1.7 ghz with 450mhz for the gpu with not much heat problems.

rap3rman said:
Yes, you can go back to whatever frequencies you desire and for the heat, for me, it heats up no matter what
However these temperatures are normal so nothing to worry about.
I live in the Caribbean with a Tropical Climate and i run at 1.7 ghz with 450mhz for the gpu with not much heat problems.
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I set mine to these, all seems stable and noticeably better for gaming,
I use Trickster Mod to change everything, always loved the app.
CPU: 1.7ghz
GPU: 450mhz
CPU Governor: Performance (while gaming), ElementalX (Regular Use)
GPU Governor: Ondemand (always)
Undervoltage: 850
I also have D2TW (Double Tap to wake) just because it's easier for me.
I play Order & Chaos a lot, with pure stock settings I noticed slight frame issues while in heavy populated area's or if using a lot of in-game commands at once. I now notice nothing..

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[Q] How to safe overclock my XPERIA Play?

Installed the JokaWild v3 ROM on my Play and flashed the DooMKerneL v14 ,now i wanna know how to do a safe OC.
I'm using No-frills CPU ,can you tell me the best settings for good and safe OC to XPERIA Play?
Thank you
I dont generally OC my phone beyond 1.2 but you can use this app to run a sereies of tests to determine which OC speed is best for your phone as all phones are different.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1656052
I don't overclock mine past 1.4. My play actually reboots if I go 1.6 or more.
I Overclocked my phone to 1.5 and it worked fine. Then tried overclock to 1.6 ,and it's really working good! no bugs ,very fast and the battery stays cool.
I'll stay with my 1.6Ghz overclock ,I think it's enough
What governor / IO scheduler are you guys using? i'm in the same position (jokawild / doomkernel v14 and just installed nofrills cpu) and have read the FAQ, but the version i have seems to have considerably more governors than what has been listed
EDIT: list explaining the governors is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1663809
kymochi said:
What governor / IO scheduler are you guys using? i'm in the same position (jokawild / doomkernel v14 and just installed nofrills cpu) and have read the FAQ, but the version i have seems to have considerably more governors than what has been listed
EDIT: list explaining the governors is here
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1663809
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I'm on SmartassV2.
I once asked this same question ot DoomLord, maker of DoomKernel about which governor and IO to use for best gaming and all around performance.
His recommendation (whihc I have been using since and saw a noticable difference) was to use
Governor: Performance
I/O: BFQ
and I overclock mine to 1.2ghz. My first android phone i oc'd too much, heard a popping noise and BAM.....bu-bye. So I dont go too far..
I generally step up the speed one step at a time until I hit errors that cannot be explained or I get force quits because the phone is running too fast. I suggest going slowly and testing things out but using the governor Performance while the phone is changing. Right now I'm doing okay with smartass v2 at .60/ 1.5 ghz. I might try bumping it up to 1.6 ghz and see how that works tomorrow.
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jgregoryj1 said:
I once asked this same question ot DoomLord, maker of DoomKernel about which governor and IO to use for best gaming and all around performance.
His recommendation (whihc I have been using since and saw a noticable difference) was to use
Governor: Performance
I/O: BFQ
and I overclock mine to 1.2ghz. My first android phone i oc'd too much, heard a popping noise and BAM.....bu-bye. So I dont go too far..
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Hows the battery life with this governor?
elnacho said:
Hows the battery life with this governor?
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Epic It is like the phone has no battery cuz on this governor, the phone runs at max frequency.
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I know I'm mad late, but I was wondering why my phone kept rebooting. I uninstalled all overclocking apps so I thought my profiles would return to normal. Turns out I must have accidentally set the profile to 2ghz max and 2ghz min somehow. My phone was super lagging and thank God it didn't burn out, smh...
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davidbar93 said:
Installed the JokaWild v3 ROM on my Play and flashed the DooMKerneL v14 ,now i wanna know how to do a safe OC.
I'm using No-frills CPU ,can you tell me the best settings for good and safe OC to XPERIA Play?
Thank you
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I currently have my Play overclocked to 1.6 using the interactive governor. Battery life is great and it runs steady at 60fps in FPSE. Also Mupen64 runs much better. I haven't had any issues with it so far!
tempest918 said:
I currently have my Play overclocked to 1.6 using the interactive governor. Battery life is great and it runs steady at 60fps in FPSE. Also Mupen64 runs much better. I haven't had any issues with it so far!
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What scheduler are you using??
Mine is running fine on 1.4Ghz with SIO scheduler and InteractiveX governor, the bbatery life seems fine as well...
SmartAss always causing lag on me, dunno why...
LUPUS_GB
i use lupus kernel for gb v2 with i/o setting SIO and governor superbad..
and my phone runs well...no lag..
Hey guys ive already overclocked my phone using the lubus gb kernelv12 and i gota say having the extra internal memory (EXTRA 400MB!!!) and the ability to overclock to 1.6ghz is nice, however there are some things i wana ask. Im running at a min 249 and a max of 1613 mhz using no frills cpu with smartassv2 as my governer and noob as be scheduler, it runs miracles in speed, everything i can run at high resolutions and play and top speeds. However i leave my phone like this all the time ( 249mhz 1613 mhz). The smartassv2 governer is ment to only use high cpus when needed, so that in theory means that i wont always be at 1.6ghz. Ive read on other forums keeping your phone overclocked all the time is bad and dangerous but is it really if the max cpu is only being used when needed? In otherwords should i leave it how it is or is it dangerous? My device is an xperia plat btw. :victory:
Mushtaqs said:
Hey guys ive already overclocked my phone using the lubus gb kernelv12 and i gota say having the extra internal memory (EXTRA 400MB!!!) and the ability to overclock to 1.6ghz is nice, however there are some things i wana ask. Im running at a min 249 and a max of 1613 mhz using no frills cpu with smartassv2 as my governer and noob as be scheduler, it runs miracles in speed, everything i can run at high resolutions and play and top speeds. However i leave my phone like this all the time ( 249mhz 1613 mhz). The smartassv2 governer is ment to only use high cpus when needed, so that in theory means that i wont always be at 1.6ghz. Ive read on other forums keeping your phone overclocked all the time is bad and dangerous but is it really if the max cpu is only being used when needed? In otherwords should i leave it how it is or is it dangerous? My device is an xperia plat btw. :victory:
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AFAIK only the Performance gov keeps the phone at the max allowed clock speed (1.6GHz in your case), so it's just fine as it is. You could, however, use an app (the only one I know that does this is SetCPU, there might be others) to make profiles so it'll only be overclocked when playing games/running benchmarks et cetera. This might save you some battery life.
CPU master by antutu allows you to set profiles but you need to buy the pro to do it
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ridder215215 said:
AFAIK only the Performance gov keeps the phone at the max allowed clock speed (1.6GHz in your case), so it's just fine as it is. You could, however, use an app (the only one I know that does this is SetCPU, there might be others) to make profiles so it'll only be overclocked when playing games/running benchmarks et cetera. This might save you some battery life.
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Much appriciated for your reply, and thanks button got a smack to.

ElementalX Kernel OC

I am using ElementalX kernel on stock 4.4.4 android. I have to OC set to 1.944GHz currently. AnTuTu bench at 1.944GHz and 450MHz GPU gives me between 24-25k result. Now if I lower the CPU to 1.89GHz it drops to 21k. And if I go back to stock freq I get 19k. Something does not seem right in the test results as related to the frequencies. Question is this: Are there sweet spots in the frequency range for the CPU?
P.S. I know many people dislike benchmarks...I'm using it for comparative purposes...
mrcoffee1985 said:
I am using ElementalX kernel on stock 4.4.4 android. I have to OC set to 1.944GHz currently. AnTuTu bench at 1.944GHz and 450MHz GPU gives me between 24-25k result. Now if I lower the CPU to 1.89GHz it drops to 21k. And if I go back to stock freq I get 19k. Something does not seem right in the test results as related to the frequencies. Question is this: Are there sweet spots in the frequency range for the CPU?
P.S. I know many people dislike benchmarks...I'm using it for comparative purposes...
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It states it in the thread, having cpu at 1.9ghz is not economical with battery consumption and performance, it Is best at 1.7ghz
mrcoffee1985 said:
I am using ElementalX kernel on stock 4.4.4 android. I have to OC set to 1.944GHz currently. AnTuTu bench at 1.944GHz and 450MHz GPU gives me between 24-25k result. Now if I lower the CPU to 1.89GHz it drops to 21k. And if I go back to stock freq I get 19k. Something does not seem right in the test results as related to the frequencies. Question is this: Are there sweet spots in the frequency range for the CPU?
P.S. I know many people dislike benchmarks...I'm using it for comparative purposes...
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You should monitor your CPU temp and frequency while benching.
You would see that your CPU's temp probably goes above 70°C if not higher and so the kernel thermal throttling policies would downclock your CPU's max freq. in order to keep your CPU "cool".
If you first bench @ 1944MHz then bench @ a litle lower frequency and have very lower score then its not because of the lower freq. but because you did first heat up your CPU @ 1944 and when you re-run @ lower freq. your CPU is already very hot and so does a severe thermal throttling.
Last point : running your CPU @ 1944MHz is not good since thermal throttling while happen every now and then.
Not convinced?
Then simply launch the camera app and try to take a video of 5 mins...your CPU will become so hot that it will downclock to something ridiculously low and your recording will become jerky.

Core freq controll apps, none works!?

As I'm the typical user that underclocks because I don?t use games or heavy apps I'm used to use some apps to do this, but, they are very outdated (setCPU, our dead friend) or they are incompatible... francokernel, trickster mod, kernel adiutor... you can lock freqs but the CPU doesn't give a duck about those apps...
Why? and... is there any way to underclock?
I can live with hotpluged cores limited to 1200mhz and a gpu to 4450mhz... I think we would improve the battery a lot but... we can't limit the cpu-gpu..
Yakandu said:
As I'm the typical user that underclocks because I don?t use games or heavy apps I'm used to use some apps to do this, but, they are very outdated (setCPU, our dead friend) or they are incompatible... francokernel, trickster mod, kernel adiutor... you can lock freqs but the CPU doesn't give a duck about those apps...
Why? and... is there any way to underclock?
I can live with hotpluged cores limited to 1200mhz and a gpu to 4450mhz... I think we would improve the battery a lot but... we can't limit the cpu-gpu..
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Kernel adiutor works perfectly fine...i have been using it with no issue since i got my g4 2 months ago...also i have found to save battery it's bettet to raise lower clock speeds to 633 and 460...at stock setting it wakes and throttles way more than it should...it stays more stable at these speeds and i get amazing standby time...also smoothes out a bit of lag...this has been my experience on all my g line devices
jamesd1085 said:
Kernel adiutor works perfectly fine...i have been using it with no issue since i got my g4 2 months ago...also i have found to save battery it's bettet to raise lower clock speeds to 633 and 460...at stock setting it wakes and throttles way more than it should...it stays more stable at these speeds and i get amazing standby time...also smoothes out a bit of lag...this has been my experience on all my g line devices
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Its not working for me, ine I set max to 1200 i can see processor clock going to 1400, also gpu does the same
Yakandu said:
Its not working for me, ine I set max to 1200 i can see processor clock going to 1400, also gpu does the same
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It works perfectly for me also. Did you click the apply on boot setting?
Speaking about CPU core frequencies, will SetCPU work? I have another question, I noticed when looking at the CPU with various programs, it's always 1.2Ghz, doesn't the G4 actually have a Hexa(6) core 1.8Ghz CPU, what happened to the other 600Mhz?

Kernel Related

Which kernel is best for performance?(for Whyred)
1. Black box
2.no name
And many out there???
Suggestions please.
Thanks in advance.
Deep.cdy said:
Which kernel is best for performance?(for Whyred)
1. Black box
2.no name
And many out there???
Suggestions please.
Thanks in advance.
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You should try them and find out the most suitable for you, use them for 1-2 days, you'll see the difference.... personally, I'm using NoName kernel with RR
NoName for Lineage based.
Deep.cdy said:
Which kernel is best for performance?(for Whyred)
1. Black box
2.no name
And many out there???
Suggestions please.
Thanks in advance.
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i think currently is noname.
we hope a bunch of recognised developers in the near future as franco as many others.
Kirks, for battery...
Dude unlocked the lower cpu freqs...
m666p said:
Kirks, for battery...
Dude unlocked the lower cpu freqs...
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It operates on lower Volts using this unlocked freqs?
peter-k said:
It operates on lower Volts using this unlocked freqs?
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God knows, but what I do know is that it should produce less heat at the very least and it performs pretty gud on powersave governor. The gpu on the other hand is garbage at min freq (160mhz), even the launcher lags....
peter-k said:
NoName for Lineage based.
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But after flashing no name 1.3 the WiFi doesn't work for me on rr 12th June
Deep.cdy said:
But after flashing no name 1.3 the WiFi doesn't work for me on rr 12th June
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Mine was fine but now I'm on Aosip.
i think for now the best is to use a stock kernel, be careful with the charging limits.
peter-k said:
It operates on lower Volts using this unlocked freqs?
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m666p said:
God knows, but what I do know is that it should produce less heat at the very least and it performs pretty gud on powersave governor. The gpu on the other hand is garbage at min freq (160mhz), even the launcher lags....
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Of course it operates at lower voltage as it's a lower frequency and requires less power draw. Lower voltages should mean lower heat, however you don't magically get that lower freqs to operate, you need to tweak the interactive governor to make use of them all efficiently. So far I'm on Kirks kernel and AOSiP and it's a quite good combo.
The lag is not caused by low GPU freqs, it's because of low CPU freqs for that particular load, so governor tweaking is needed.
Cirra92 said:
Of course it operates at lower voltage as it's a lower frequency and requires less power draw. Lower voltages should mean lower heat, however you don't magically get that lower freqs to operate, you need to tweak the interactive governor to make use of them all efficiently. So far I'm on Kirks kernel and AOSiP and it's a quite good combo.
The lag is not caused by low GPU freqs, it's because of low CPU freqs for that particular load, so governor tweaking is needed.
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Lol, I tested what you said out. Because you said it with such confidence...
I changed the cpu governor to performance and set the gpu to 160mhz max...
That made the experience a bit better but it would still lag a lot in recents and app launcher scrolling...
I've attached a screen shot to prove it too...
Another thing, just because the clock is lower does not mean that the voltage is lower as well, many devices that ive owned over the years have had the same voltage's for lower clocks( moto g2, Sony xperia z1)
And lastly, you should "magically" get those lower frequencies(if they are truly unlocked) since governors will always operate within the min/max frequencies that are set by the user or by default(unless it reverts parameters back to stock, like our device does on interactive)...
Forgot screenshot....
m666p said:
Lol, I tested what you said out. Because you said it with such confidence...
I changed the cpu governor to performance and set the gpu to 160mhz max...
That made the experience a bit better but it would still lag a lot in recents and app launcher scrolling...
I've attached a screen shot to prove it too...
Another thing, just because the clock is lower does not mean that the voltage is lower as well, many devices that ive owned over the years have had the same voltage's for lower clocks( moto g2, Sony xperia z1)
And lastly, you should "magically" get those lower frequencies(if they are truly unlocked) since governors will always operate within the min/max frequencies that are set by the user or by default(unless it reverts parameters back to stock, like our device does on interactive)...
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First of all, we are talking here about difference in voltage between stock minimum freq for big cluster, which is 1.1ghz and actual possible minimum which is 300mhz, and there is a difference in voltage, that was the point. The devices I owned, S5 and Z3compact had more CPU steps, therefore the difference between some of the steps was really small or there wasn't any, but the CPU scaling made a jump to the freq with bigger difference (higher or lower, that was the stock behavior so some freqs weren't used). Here it might use all of the freq steps as there are less of them and the difference in voltage is significant enough, which might be the case, I said that because of my experience with previous devices. But you've missed the point anyway, I have said that even if unlocked, some freqs won't be used just because they are there if the governor parameters aren't set properly (or will be barely used). That was my point, I said that as a general note, so users won't jump the gun and blame devs for whatever.
And another one, regarding your test and lag with GPU, now I'm confused why would you set your max at 160mhz? I know it was for testing purposes in this case, but you did complain about it in original post and I said it won't lag because the max would still be set to 430mhz in which case the GPU freq scaling would do the job which it does very good so far. It would lag of course if you set max GPU freq to 160, but that's not what would you do for daily usage, right? Sorry if I misunderstood something.
Cirra92 said:
First of all, we are talking here about difference in voltage between stock minimum freq for big cluster, which is 1.1ghz and actual possible minimum which is 300mhz, and there is a difference in voltage, that was the point. The devices I owned, S5 and Z3compact had more CPU steps, therefore the difference between some of the steps was really small or there wasn't any, but the CPU scaling made a jump to the freq with bigger difference (higher or lower, that was the stock behavior so some freqs weren't used). Here it might use all of the freq steps as there are less of them and the difference in voltage is significant enough, which might be the case, I said that because of my experience with previous devices. But you've missed the point anyway, I have said that even if unlocked, some freqs won't be used just because they are there if the governor parameters aren't set properly (or will be barely used). That was my point, I said that as a general note, so users won't jump the gun and blame devs for whatever.
And another one, regarding your test and lag with GPU, now I'm confused why would you set your max at 160mhz? I know it was for testing purposes in this case, but you did complain about it in original post and I said it won't lag because the max would still be set to 430mhz in which case the GPU freq scaling would do the job which it does very good so far. It would lag of course if you set max GPU freq to 160, but that's not what would you do for daily usage, right? Sorry if I misunderstood something.
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I kinda get what you mean, but the min freqs should kick in by default. They don't though on kirks, you need to change the governor to something like alucard or zzmove once before it actually starts clocking down to 300mhz...
On a side I would just disable the big. Cluster if I could, I don't really need that much cpu performance...
I was trying to find the min gpu freq that would be usable and I was disappointed, cuz my Sony z1 had a smooth ui experience with the gpu clocked at 200mhz max and that thing had a sd800...
Btw, I do all this to get better battery life...
I found out something else, I can't use power save governor any more because it can't handle audio processing(ainur, v4a) when the screen is off...
Just like my old z1, Lol...
Makes me think that the performance is really identical to the snapdragon 800...
I wonder how pissed I would be if a I got the redmi 5 plus, the 625 would have been even worse...
m666p said:
I kinda get what you mean, but the min freqs should kick in by default. They don't though on kirks, you need to change the governor to something like alucard or zzmove once before it actually starts clocking down to 300mhz...
On a side I would just disable the big. Cluster if I could, I don't really need that much cpu performance...
I was trying to find the min gpu freq that would be usable and I was disappointed, cuz my Sony z1 had a smooth ui experience with the gpu clocked at 200mhz max and that thing had a sd800...
Btw, I do all this to get better battery life...
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m666p said:
I found out something else, I can't use power save governor any more because it can't handle audio processing(ainur, v4a) when the screen is off...
Just like my old z1, Lol...
Makes me think that the performance is really identical to the snapdragon 800...
I wonder how pissed I would be if a I got the redmi 5 plus, the 625 would have been even worse...
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Yeah I agree, it should, but how much it stays on minimum freq is dependent on couple of governor parameters (talking about interactive). On mine though it does stay on 300mhz when idling, on stock Kirks settings. Big cluster can be disabled through new hotplug solution, like Intelliplug, which I used on my old devices, and it performed great, 1 core was active when screen was off, screen on and light usage required only 2 cores, while all 4 were active under heavy load. Here however there is only Qualcomm's hotplug solution, until that changes, no luck. Regarding GPU freq, I don't think any device would work smoothly under 200mhz, you can set 266mhz here, it will be smooth, I've tested today, on my old SD801 it performed at 233mhz IIRC.
I've seen that, V4A requires higher freq than 300mhz, or even 422mhz which SD801 had, it's more about the freq rather than the chipset, as I've read on multiple threads that even the devices with SD820 were struggling a lot when processing audio at 300mhz when the screen was off. Don't worry, it's a general issue. There is also the optimization of the rom and audio mods as well, background tasks, kernel, it all goes into the mix.
This is actually a very good chipset, it's technically SD660 just with lower clocks on both CPU and GPU.
EDIT: I forgot, this is my usage on AOSiP + Kirks, stock interactive tunables, min freq 300mhz (big/little), GPU initial/min freq 160mhz, max 430mhz. Using microG instead off GApps, I have used FB, Instagram, Messenger app for 1,5h each, Viber was couple of hours, Chrome some 30mins, Panini sticker album 30+ minutes, 30 minutes of 2G calls. Network mode was LTE, though I was on wifi on whole charge.
Started measuring from 92%.
Thanks bro, that explains a lot...

Mi10T running below Full throttle CPU Frequency, help!

I've downloaded the KOSP ROM 2.7(unofficial version) switching from Evolution X's latest version just for the sake of seeing it's Performance since I've heard it's very optimized for gaming Smartphones, so far ever since I've downloaded that ROM, my Performance and Prime cores have been showing a really strange behavior.
They never go above 1478 MHZ for the performance and 1862 MHZ for the prime core when 865 has the potential to ramp up to 2.4 and 2.8 MHZ, and the strange thing is that it doesn't respond to dynamic Frequency Change if I want to change it in FKM.
Then, sometimes they would strangely ramp up to 2246MHZ and 2457 for the prime core, just to go back down to 1478MHZ and 1862 and unlike before, switching no governor does change that, almost as if there's some sort of magnet attracting it.
I've already tried switching multiple ROMs and Kernels even the ones that would grant be full frequency throttle that I've already installed before, but so far no matter the ROM and Kernel, result is the same.
Please guys, help, I'm seeing extremely bad browsing and gaming performance like this!
Edit: yes, it's running in performance mode and Governor.
Edit 2: as I'm talking to you, the performance cores randomly switched to 1.7 GHZ and not only I can't set them to 2.4, I can't even set them below 1.7, it's like my phone deciding for it's own, WTF going on!

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