Hi Guys
Just looking for some advice regarding the SM-P605, the 4G LTE version. I am based in the UK and have not been able to find a reasonably priced tablet with 4G.
I went to the Samsung store in Oxford Street and it was £600, which is over my budget. I have recently seen a version on Amazon for just £429.99, which I was tempted to get. The model number is listed as SM-P6050ZKADBT, which doesn't seem to be a UK version.
I thought I had read somewhere that buying an LTE device from abroad would mean that in the UK you would not get the true speed from 4G, but cannot find that article anywhere anymore. The seller also responded to ask where I heard it from as there is no difference between UK LTE and International LTE.
Does anyone know if it is OK to buy an international SM-P605 for use on the EE network in the UK please? I have searched on these forums also and could not find a definitive answer.
Thanks
hi2shy said:
Hi Guys
Just looking for some advice regarding the SM-P605, the 4G LTE version. I am based in the UK and have not been able to find a reasonably priced tablet with 4G.
I went to the Samsung store in Oxford Street and it was £600, which is over my budget. I have recently seen a version on Amazon for just £429.99, which I was tempted to get. The model number is listed as SM-P6050ZKADBT, which doesn't seem to be a UK version.
I thought I had read somewhere that buying an LTE device from abroad would mean that in the UK you would not get the true speed from 4G, but cannot find that article anywhere anymore. The seller also responded to ask where I heard it from as there is no difference between UK LTE and International LTE.
Does anyone know if it is OK to buy an international SM-P605 for use on the EE network in the UK please? I have searched on these forums also and could not find a definitive answer.
Thanks
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I have a SM-P605 and I imported it from T-Dimension in HK, it cost with all fees & taxes ~£465.
I then downloaded what was meant to be a BTU firmware for it and flashed it and it didn't trip KNOX , but rather unfortunately it installed itself as a Spanish one (PHE) instead.
Now whilst it's not the end of the world having a SM-P605 with a CSC code of PHE, I would rather it were BTU & no matter where I look I cannot find a stock SM-P605 firmware that will do it.
I've installed a 3 sim card into mine and it works perfectly, I've not bought one that gives me 4G/LTE access because it's pretty c**p coverage at the moment, so I don't feel that there's any significant advantage of paying extra for something that I can't get or rarely get.
Still at the end of the day I have a SM-P605 which works well, will shortly have a 128Gb SDXC card installed into it as well. But TBQH, I'm not overly impressed with the service that Samsung provides in regards to firmware updates for its devices so I'm considering moving to the "Dark Side" and getting an Ipad & Iphone instead.
Consider your purchase carefully, especially as Samsung have new devices out, which have now superseded the 10.1 2014 edition, as I severely doubt that Samsung will continue to support &/or issue firmware updates for it much longer, if all if their reputation is anything to go by.
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I have just managed to find this quote also, which kind of backs up what you say
"The version advertised here is the SM-P605 P605XXUBMJ4 Android 4.3 variant which has the Quad-core 2.3 GHz CPU, 32 GB built-in memory and support for LTE bands 800, 850, 900, 1800, 2100, 2600. It should in theory work with all current UK 4G carriers.
HOWEVER, the latest radio firmware update available in the UK doesn't appear to support LTE. When I went to "Settings...More networks...Mobile networks...Network mode", expecting to see an LTE connection mode, all I could see was GSM/WCDMA (i.e. "H+"). The best mobile connection speed I've managed so far on a 3 Mobile PAYG mobile broadband subscription is "H+" at around 5Mbps. By way of comparison, I get solid "4G" connectivity with the same carrier on my Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini, so I don't think it's a 3 Mobile problem."
I have a 4G sim card with 3GB data allowance per month, so I am keen to use it to it's full potential, so with that in mind, I think I will give this tablet a miss. Thanks for your advice and sharing your experience.
hi2shy said:
Hi
I have just managed to find this quote also, which kind of backs up what you say
"The version advertised here is the SM-P605 P605XXUBMJ4 Android 4.3 variant which has the Quad-core 2.3 GHz CPU, 32 GB built-in memory and support for LTE bands 800, 850, 900, 1800, 2100, 2600. It should in theory work with all current UK 4G carriers.
HOWEVER, the latest radio firmware update available in the UK doesn't appear to support LTE. When I went to "Settings...More networks...Mobile networks...Network mode", expecting to see an LTE connection mode, all I could see was GSM/WCDMA (i.e. "H+"). The best mobile connection speed I've managed so far on a 3 Mobile PAYG mobile broadband subscription is "H+" at around 5Mbps. By way of comparison, I get solid "4G" connectivity with the same carrier on my Samsung Galaxy S4 Mini, so I don't think it's a 3 Mobile problem."
I have a 4G sim card with 3GB data allowance per month, so I am keen to use it to it's full potential, so with that in mind, I think I will give this tablet a miss. Thanks for your advice and sharing your experience.
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You need to get a 4G specific SIM to get it to work, a standard mobile internet SIM won't cut it. You'll need to pay the extra to get the 4G functionality.
The 4G bit isn't worth it at the moment because the coverage isn't up to much as yet & still in its infancy, but in years time it might be better & worthwhile.
Skinhead1967 said:
You need to get a 4G specific SIM to get it to work, a standard mobile internet SIM won't cut it. You'll need to pay the extra to get the 4G functionality.
The 4G bit isn't worth it at the moment because the coverage isn't up to much as yet & still in its infancy, but in years time it might be better & worthwhile.
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think he said he had 4g on his sim, the problem for us UK users is basically we are going to have to root the device to enable it, certainly until our providers get their finger out, which could be whenever. The way I looked at it was 'am I going to sell the tablet in the next 2 years?' if not, just root and have the benefits 6 months before they roll it out here. Samsung always been slow with updating, but then that's why people choose android, it isn't for the official stuff, it's for all the customisation you CAN do. Chomping at the bit for mine, it's an import so it's never going to be a flyer for a resale, so may as well enjoy it the next couple of years.
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think he said he had 4g on his sim, the problem for us UK users is basically we are going to have to root the device to enable it, certainly until our providers get their finger out, which could be whenever. The way I looked at it was 'am I going to sell the tablet in the next 2 years?' if not, just root and have the benefits 6 months before they roll it out here. Samsung always been slow with updating, but then that's why people choose android, it isn't for the official stuff, it's for all the customisation you CAN do. Chomping at the bit for mine, it's an import so it's never going to be a flyer for a resale, so may as well enjoy it the next couple of years.
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My 605 came from HK (T-Dimension), so like your it's an import, so it will work with the 4G networks here when they become fully operational, I'm not going to pay for 4G when the UK's 4G coverage is so poor at the moment.
When the 4G network becomes more established throughout the UK and in the area where I live then I may consider it, but I have a tablet that's 4G/LTE enabled for the future, however with me being so unimpressed & underwhelmed by Samsung's poor upgrade policy, I may consider buying both an Iphone & Ipad.
I don't live in the UK but in Australia. I bought a HK P605 and it works with 4G... As Oz uses international modems and radios too, it should work on yours.
Skinhead1967 said:
Now whilst it's not the end of the world having a SM-P605 with a CSC code of PHE, I would rather it were BTU & no matter where I look I cannot find a stock SM-P605 firmware that will do it.
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Installing another region's s/w doesn't change your CSC. When connecting to Play or Samsung Apps it still identifies as being from Hong Kong and any regional restrictions still apply. Plug it in to Kies and it'll come up as Hong Kong.
BarryH_GEG said:
Installing another region's s/w doesn't change your CSC. When connecting to Play or Samsung Apps it still identifies as being from Hong Kong and any regional restrictions still apply. Plug it in to Kies and it'll come up as Hong Kong.
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You are wrong.
I have a HK machine, which I flashed with a "BTU" firmware and I've connected it to Kies3 and it tells me my CSC code is now PHE (Spain) and checking with the device it says PHE as well.
So as far as I am concerned the machine is now an EU one. Not an HK one.
And I still wont recommend buying one either.
When you use Kies for emergency recovery you input the device serial number. From that, Kies knows the CSC the device shipped with and the regional ROM it should be running. Of course Samsung has access to the same information. I'm running a TPA 4.4 ROM but as you can see below my CSC is still TTT. So I have no idea what happened in your situation but you'll forever have a HK device based on its serial number. I'd say it would affect your warranty but you don't have one any way.
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When you use Kies for emergency recovery you input the device serial number. From that, Kies knows the CSC the device shipped with and the regional ROM it should be running. Of course Samsung has access to the same information. I'm running a TPA 4.4 ROM but as you can see below my CSC is still TTT. So I have no idea what happened in your situation but you'll forever have a HK device based on its serial number. I'd say it would affect your warranty but you don't have one any way.
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Yes I know that and where you have TTT, I now have PHE.
Just an update, my 605 arrived today all the way from HK (took 8 days from ordering to arrival!). Everything working exactly as it should, on connecting to wifi it's already asking me to update to 'fix stability issues'. For now I've disabled it updating, not actually sure what it wants to update! To KitKat? It's my first tablet, so I'm leaving at stock for a week or so to get the general gist of it. Makes it easier that I have had an S3 for near 2 years now and it seems almost everything (menus etc) are almost identical. Put my phone sim into the note and it works no problem, I'm not on 4G at the minute mainly because it's expensive, I live in Birmingham so the 4G coverage here is excellent. Looking forward to reading up on rooting and trying out some mods, stocky's looks a good one, but I'm open to any suggestions if anyone has any Very happy with my £353 purchase, it's the 32GB version too. Seems plenty fast for me not being that experienced using a tablet. Fully expecting the same model when released in uk will easy be 600 maybe more, or more likely tied to a mad 24 month 4G contract 60+ a month plus 100 quid upfront.
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Hello everyone, this is my first thread so please be gentle!
I currently have a G1, and hope to put it to rest very soon, and get the new G2!
(staying true to the "G")
I use an AT&T sim card on my current G1.
I have been lurking (for quite some time now) on these forums trying to find an answer to using the AT&T Sim Card on the G2. I have yet to find my answer through searching.
The capabilities I'm looking for to use on a G2 with an AT&T sim card include:
at least 3G network data speeds
normal use of calling
(I live in the US, and I don't know if that allows me to have 3G instead of EDGE)
Some things I have found:
In one other forum it said the AT&T would work on the G2, however it would only work on the EDGE network. (which I believe is 2G? please clarify if you can)
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TMO's 3G network runs on the 1700Mhz spectrum.
AT&T's 3G network runs on the 850 and 1900Mhz spectrum.
The G2 is incapable of operating on AT&T's 3G network but will work just fine on the EDGE network.
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the "[Guide] Subsidy Unlock, SuperCID, and Radio S-OFF" presents a sim unlock, so would that mean I could use the 3G data networks on AT&T? and have local calling? or is that something else?
Thanks in advance!
The Subsidy Unlock would allow the use of the AT&T sim card. I'm quite sure you wouldn't get the 3G+ speeds. Edge only, just like the G1.
ALB24 said:
T-Mobile HTC G2. rage+gfree worked great. Tested on both TMO & AT&T Networks and everything worked with no problems. Went from getting no radio signal due to Code unlock method, to getting any network I choose.
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That was from someone in the sim unlock thread. Not sure if any network chosen means 2g/3g but I would think 3g would be supported.
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It isn't just your phone, I don't think any phones ever come out with the correct bands for ATT and Tmobile...Even the N1 which is supposed to be a world phone was only EDGE on ATT
The T-Mobile G2 will not work with 3G on AT&T (as you stated in the original post, the 3G or UMTS bands are different). It will instead use the regular GSM bands for 2G data.
If you want a Desire Z that works on AT&T's 3G, you have to get the NAM version offered by Bell Canada (check out the Desire Z forums). Once unlocked, it'll work fine on AT&T's 3G network.
Durkbeef said:
It isn't just your phone, I don't think any phones ever come out with the correct bands for ATT and Tmobile...Even the N1 which is supposed to be a world phone was only EDGE on ATT
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Actually, Nokia's latest smartphones are pentaband - they can use 3G on AT&T, T-Mobile, and the European networks. This includes the C7, N8, and upcoming E7.
I have the N8 right now and have used it on both AT&T and T-Mobile with 3G.
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The T-Mobile G2 will not work with 3G on AT&T (as you stated in the original post, the 3G or UMTS bands are different). It will instead use the regular GSM bands for 2G data.
If you want a Desire Z that works on AT&T's 3G, you have to get the NAM version offered by Bell Canada (check out the Desire Z forums). Once unlocked, it'll work fine on AT&T's 3G network.
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Ah this was extremely helpful!
Thank you all for the help as well.
This is where I got my Desire Z: http://negrielectronics.com/htc-desire-z-850-1900-3g-unlocked.html
I didn't believe it and was scared that I'd open the box and see the wrong bands but sure enough, it works. Brandon from pocketnow.com did a review on it as well with that specific device.
Let me know if you need/want screenshots for proof
slyydrr said:
This is where I got my Desire Z:
I didn't believe it and was scared that I'd open the box and see the wrong bands but sure enough, it works. Brandon from pocketnow.com did a review on it as well with that specific device.
Let me know if you need/want screenshots for proof
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Ah proof/screenshots for AT&T 3G working on the HTC Desire Z? Sure that would be great! Thanks for your time!
I'm probably going to go for this phone then!
Here are a couple for you! Let me know if you want more. I tried taking pictures with another phone (I still have my N1) but it wasn't very clear.
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Check the baseband in my screenshot against the basebands in the dev section if you'd like. They should match up
Ah! Beautiful!!
Thank you so much I think that's proof enough! haha.
I'll definitely be getting this phone!
I searched forever for an answer, and this surely is the answer.
Finally will be putting my G1 to rest haha
You betcha! For what it's worth, this is how I found out.
http://pocketnow.com/android/htc-desire-z-with-att-3g-software-review-video
Also, try these coupon codes! $35 off orders over $400: sb35offjkh $35 off desire phones over $500: desire0430
I have a NAM Unbranded/Unlocked version that I am using on AT&T as well. I purchased mine on Ebay, it was a little cheaper than buying it through Negri (which also didn't have any when I purchased mine)
Definitely works on 3G AND can be used with a 'dumb-phone' data plan ($10/month unlimited) =D
gbarayah said:
I have a NAM Unbranded/Unlocked version that I am using on AT&T as well. I purchased mine on Ebay, it was a little cheaper than buying it through Negri (which also didn't have any when I purchased mine)
Definitely works on 3G AND can be used with a 'dumb-phone' data plan ($10/month unlimited) =D
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How do you get the $10/mo data plan? I don't have that option!
Yeah I know this is going a little off topic (sorry mods)
but I think he's talking about individual unlimited data plan for "basic" phones?
I kept trying to pester AT&T about it.
So is it true you don't need the DataPro plan in order to acheive 3G data networks with smartphones?
And you can use the "basic" unlimited data plan for cheaper for the same 3G networks?
The AT&T reps kept saying otherwise.
Thanks again all for the replies!
slyydrr said:
How do you get the $10/mo data plan? I don't have that option!
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I have a family plan with an Iphone line (sister). My phone (originally a BB when contract signed) and 2 Dumbphones (parents)
What I did was, take my SIM card, and put it into one of the dumbphones. Went into ATT and had them add unlimited Data to that line at the $10 option. (And cancel the BB services since I wasn't using the phone anymore - told them I sold it on CL) Went home and returned the SIM into my BB and I was all set to go with unlimited Data. The only thing that didn't work with the BB was the push Email services...
If you go to your online account with ATT it will show you an image of the device you are using with service and although it showed my device as a BB at the time, (after returning the SIM to the BB) the $10 plan continued to work without any hitches.
Now that I have a phone that is unbranded with an IMEI # that ATT doesn't recognize, they don't have an image for my phone, so they have no way to detect that I am using a smartphone.
I have used the $10 plan with many devices: BB, Touch Pro, Nokia E71, etc and have never had any problems.
htcdreamer said:
Yeah I know this is going a little off topic (sorry mods)
but I think he's talking about individual unlimited data plan for "basic" phones?
I kept trying to pester AT&T about it.
So is it true you don't need the DataPro plan in order to acheive 3G data networks with smartphones?
And you can use the "basic" unlimited data plan for cheaper for the same 3G networks?
The AT&T reps kept saying otherwise.
Thanks again all for the replies!
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Yes that is the plan that I am referring to and yes the reps are full of crap. ATT wants to charge you more for having a 'smartphone' even though you use the exact same data, frequencies, and service as other users. There are many ways around this, but going into an AT&T store and trying to 'reason' with them is not one. I suggest the method I used with a dumbphone. Alternatively, you can do the same process online through account manager without having to deal with a live person.
Side question here. I'm thinking about giving the G2 to a friend on AT&T. The thing is that he doesn't want to pay for a data plan. Will AT&T force a data plan onto the line? Also un checking data enabled, will that stop all data over the cellular network so he doesnt get charged at all?
mayurolla said:
Side question here. I'm thinking about giving the G2 to a friend on AT&T. The thing is that he doesn't want to pay for a data plan. Will AT&T force a data plan onto the line? Also un checking data enabled, will that stop all data over the cellular network so he doesnt get charged at all?
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I don't think they can force a data plan as the phone is not being subsidized by ATT because of a contract.
In theory disabling data will stop all data but in reality he will probably still use a bit of it. Search the forums as I remember another user having the issue of zero data use.
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I finally did the whole unlock, super CID thing using gfree and adb.
Just want to make that no one has found a way to get 3G speeds on the G2?
Or is EDGE my only choice? I understand the whole band thing as well.
No. From what I've gathered on the g2 being on at&t, its impossible as the radio hardware is different and will not pick up the 3g bands. Flashing a different radio to match up the bands won't work, either (it will possibly brick your phone, actually.)
Go with the NAM Desire Z from bell canada. Its your best bet.
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So earlier there was confusion whether the T999 had the processor for LTE or was gimped. We've seen conflicting reports from T-Mobile, who claimed it is gimped and doesn't have LTE, but at Target Mobile, the T-Mobile GS3 is advertised as "4G LTE coming soon," and some think the LTE radio is simply disabled. I did the stat check app, and it did list the MSM8960. Has anyone found out the truth yet? CS from T-Mobile told me on the phone its getting LTE via OTA next year.
I believe this screenshot answers your question.
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The T999 does NOT have an LTE radio, or at least it is disabled in microcode (hint: we ain't changing it). Qualcomm can and does have different versions of the S4 family of SOCs identified as an MSM8960. It is more accurate to refer to the SOC as an S4 Plus, which has many different variations, the main differences being modem configurations. The T999 actually has the MSM8260A (using the older terminology), which is basically the MSM8960 without the LTE modem. This can be verified by looking at some getprop parameters. Most software is just going to show you MSM8960, which is the board name/type, etc.
See here for more info: https://developer.qualcomm.com/sites/default/files/snapdragon-specs.pdf
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I believe this screenshot answers your question.
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how did you get that? So this means our phone might be LTE capable?
how did you get that? So this means our phone might be LTE capable?
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No. Just because it is in a software menu does not mean it is supported in hardware. Try to use it on AT&T LTE, then come back and let us know how that worked out.
Thank you
kmdub said:
No. Just because it is in a software menu does not mean it is supported in hardware. Try to use it on AT&T LTE, then come back and let us know how that worked out.
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Thank you for being such a good helper to people like myself who are roaming the forums trying to learn and understand everything the best that I can. You are very informative, just wanted to point it out to you.
Thanks again,
~Aqua :good:
No problem. I hope you got the information you needed.
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The T999 does NOT have an LTE radio, or at least it is disabled in microcode (hint: we ain't changing it).
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What do you mean "disabled in microcode?" If it is that, could an OTA fix it? I've heard about MSM8960 vs MSM8260a but not only have several T-Mobile reps told me over the phone that that phone will get LTE, but one of their live national sales reps told me it will to my face, and I work at a retailer which sells T-Mobile alongside AT&T and Verizon.
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DiamondJay20 said:
What do you mean "disabled in microcode?" If it is that, could an OTA fix it? I've heard about MSM8960 vs MSM8260a but not only have several T-Mobile reps told me over the phone that that phone will get LTE, but one of their live national sales reps told me it will to my face, and I work at a retailer which sells T-Mobile alongside AT&T and Verizon.
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I had a Samsung rep at a T-Mobile store (the day I bought the phone) tell me it is LTE capable when T-Mobile flips the switch. So basically take that how you want to. I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but hope that it is true . Would be nice to be one of the first people to actually use T-Mobile's new LTE Advanced Network. Its going to fly!
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nory82688 said:
I had a Samsung rep at a T-Mobile store (the day I bought the phone) tell me it is LTE capable when T-Mobile flips the switch. So basically take that how you want to. I'm taking it with a grain of salt, but hope that it is true . Would be nice to be one of the first people to actually use T-Mobile's new LTE Advanced Network. Its going to fly!
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not to mention the current version of LTE, 3GPP release 8, isn't technically 4G either, so this is awesome if its true. LTE Advanced is supposed to be the first "true" 4G." These conflicting reports are starting to bother me. But either way, even HSPA+ is far, far better than any regular 3G, especially CDMA 3G, which is snail slow.
the jelly been leak has LTE enabled in it so i think its coming with JB. shows it right in choose network mode.
Look up microcode on Google or read the Wikipedia article. That would be a good start. It is how processors are programmed, and no, an OTA will not change it. FYI, I don't know if that is specifically done with this SOC, I am just saying that features (seemingly hardware features to end users) can be changed with microcode. It may just not have the actual silicon. I don't know. Either way, from our perspective, it doesn't have an LTE radio.
The T-Mobile reps are wrong, at least for the phone that was just released. Simple as that. Now, there could be a hardware version update, or subsequent newer model released with the LTE radio. Certainly is possible, though it would likely have a slightly different model number, or be easily identifiable some other way.
I know you guys want the T999 to have an LTE radio. But, no matter how much you want it, that won't change the facts. The phone we have now doesn't have it. It's just one of those things that we will have to wait and see. Then we can come back and say, told you so. In fact, there is a JB update out now for the T999. Why doesn't someone flash that and try it out? Seriously, out of all the T999 phones sold, do you know ANYONE using LTE on it, whether on AT&T or elsewhere? If you do, please tell him/her to speak up. Think about it. Surely someone on these boards is an AT&T customer with a T999. It's not going to be "enabled" with an OTA...
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the jelly been leak has LTE enabled in it so i think its coming with JB. shows it right in choose network mode.
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The other person had a screenshot of this too. Just because it's there doesn't mean the hardware supports it. Why would it come with Jellybean when T-Mobile's LTE network won't even be out for months, maybe even a full year at the rate their refarming is going? And why would it even be ENABLED?
Also, everyone needs to STOP LISTENING to reps. Reps don't know anything more than most people who can use Google.
Also, everyone needs to STOP LISTENING to reps. Reps don't know anything more than most people who can use Google.
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This has certainly been my experience, and is not limited to just T-Mobile. I had one rep tell me with a straight face that the OS on a Galaxy S Blaze 4G was not in fact Android, but rather a custom OS and skin designed by Samsung...lol Yeah...sort of... And there was the time that one swore up and down that GSM (2G old school GSM, not UMTS/HSPA) was superior to CDMA...for reasons he could not possibly explain except to say that...well it must be better since the rest of the world uses it.
Don't get me wrong, I know there are some bright and knowledgeable reps working for T-Mobile and others.
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Don't get me wrong, I know there are some bright and knowledgeable reps working for T-Mobile and others.
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Of course there are, but by and by, most reps don't know **** about anything.
could it be that T-Mobile's version of LTE Advanced will be compatible with whatever is inside the T999? This isn't just one rep who's told me its gonna have LTE, but several both live and on the phone.
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could it be that T-Mobile's version of LTE Advanced will be compatible with whatever is inside the T999? This isn't just one rep who's told me its gonna have LTE, but several both live and on the phone.
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No. It just isn't going to happen, and their LTE Advanced network is a long time away.
If several people live and on the phone told you to jump off of a bridge, would you do it? Not to mention the fact that most of their phone reps are outsourced call centers that also know nothing.
not sure if it matters but a friend of mine used his upgrade to get the s3 on att. now I'm not sure what they claim or if there phone is different than out tmob version but i can say that i did hold his phone and ran a speed test while the icon in the status bar showed LTE, it maxed at about 36meg d/l. later that night at one of our other friends house the icon showed 4G so i ran speedtest again and it stayed between 11meg to about 18meg. reading one of the above comments about the att version just got me thinking about that so i figured id tell what ive seen hoping it would help in any way
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could it be that T-Mobile's version of LTE Advanced will be compatible with whatever is inside the T999? This isn't just one rep who's told me its gonna have LTE, but several both live and on the phone.
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No. Whatever it is inside the T999 is not LTE. So, no version of LTE will be compatible with it. I understand optimism, but wow... No joke, the T-Mobile Galaxy S3 does not have LTE. I wouldn't be so disappointed though since HSPA is no slouch and still has a bit of room to grow. I actually think the approach T-Mobile took with their network advancements makes a lot of sense. Not saying it is the best marketing strategy.
Seriously, there are people on this forum that have the T999 on AT&T. No LTE. Just find them, ask them, confirm. And no, it is not coming in an OTA. It will only come in a different version of the phone (quite possible). The phone you have in your hand now will not magically be updated to LTE. While UMTS/HSPA and LTE are actually not as different as most may think (same standards family, both decedents of GSM), they are still different and require specific hardware. There are technical differences.
FYI, the AT&T version of the phone IS different than the T999, that's why he gets LTE.
To the guy that took a screenshot. Look! It says CDMA! I can use this on Sprint and Verizon then right?!?!?!? :thumbdown:
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Hi,
I just received an unlocked International Galaxy Note II in the US. Ordered from Handtec in the UK, and the phone appears to be the French model. I have observed what I think is a problem when trying to use the phone on T-Mobile USA.
I put my T-Mobile USA SIM card in the phone, and the phone thinks I am roaming. Uhhhh no. It's a T-Mobile USA SIM card on the T-Mobile USA network. It is NOT roaming. Now, it probably doesn't have any impact beyond the "R" notifier, and a "Roaming" page which shows up on TouchWiz, but it DOES make me feel very uneasy. I have to enable "Data use while roaming" to be able to use data while on my home network!! It's crazy!
To those who will point out, yes, I know that T-Mobile USA has their 3G currently on the AWS 1700/2100 band, which the Note II does not support. I am therefore using EDGE with this phone. (Yes the data speeds suck, but T-Mobile's refarming will make this problem go away in the next few months). Even though I am on EDGE, I am not "roaming" unless the Note II's definition of roaming is different from mine. I am still on the home network, regardless of whether I am on 2G or 3G.
Has anyone else seen a problem like this?
If I can't figure this out in the next day or two, I may return the Note II and just wait another month or so for the T-Mobile US version. (Probably that's what I should do anyway, but I figured the GT-N7100 would get more developer support).
Hope someone can help!
Thanks!
Edit: I forgot to add - I also have and unlocked international Note 1 GT-N7000 and an unlocked iPhone 4. Neither possess the T-Mobile USA 3G band, and neither of which show roaming when I'm using T-Mobile USA. So, either T-Mobile did some funky network work today which changed something, or there is something different (and possibly a bug) about how the Galaxy Note II determines if it's roaming.
Unfortunately I cannot be of any assistance to your issue, just wanted to comment however. I find it very odd that ALL Note II's don't work on every frequency. Bear with me, I'm under the impression that they are identical hardware wise, every version. So, maybe it's a simple matter of flashing a different radio.img? Not that there are any available currently, but there will be shortly. I hope (think) it will be similar to the ATT Note on Tmo. Hopefully it works out better though. We still don't know if the Tmo Note II will be HSPA+42 or not, but it will support next years Tmo LTE.
So, as of now, this is a little bit of a disappointment for Tmo customers looking for the N7100. Hope you can find a workaround for at least HSPA+21 soon :good:
ccampbell1 said:
Hi,
I just received an unlocked International Galaxy Note II in the US. Ordered from Handtec in the UK, and the phone appears to be the French model. I have observed what I think is a problem when trying to use the phone on T-Mobile USA.
I put my T-Mobile USA SIM card in the phone, and the phone thinks I am roaming. Uhhhh no. It's a T-Mobile USA SIM card on the T-Mobile USA network. It is NOT roaming. Now, it probably doesn't have any impact beyond the "R" notifier, and a "Roaming" page which shows up on TouchWiz, but it DOES make me feel very uneasy. I have to enable "Data use while roaming" to be able to use data while on my home network!! It's crazy!
To those who will point out, yes, I know that T-Mobile USA has their 3G currently on the AWS 1700/2100 band, which the Note II does not support. I am therefore using EDGE with this phone. (Yes the data speeds suck, but T-Mobile's refarming will make this problem go away in the next few months). Even though I am on EDGE, I am not "roaming" unless the Note II's definition of roaming is different from mine. I am still on the home network, regardless of whether I am on 2G or 3G.
Has anyone else seen a problem like this?
If I can't figure this out in the next day or two, I may return the Note II and just wait another month or so for the T-Mobile US version. (Probably that's what I should do anyway, but I figured the GT-N7100 would get more developer support).
Hope someone can help!
Thanks!
Edit: I forgot to add - I also have and unlocked international Note 1 GT-N7000 and an unlocked iPhone 4. Neither possess the T-Mobile USA 3G band, and neither of which show roaming when I'm using T-Mobile USA. So, either T-Mobile did some funky network work today which changed something, or there is something different (and possibly a bug) about how the Galaxy Note II determines if it's roaming.
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That happened to me as well using my International Galaxy S3, I dug into it for about a month and trust me, it's something with the phone detecting that it can't connect to the HSPA+ bands it supports, and when it "defaults" down to EDGE it considers it "Roaming". Stop digging for answers, I was at it for weeks, this is the reason.
You wont get charged for roaming or anything though, so use EDGE until T-Mobile's refarming finally happens; I waited for 2 months and nothing, so I jumped ship and got Straight Talk. I use over 15 GB of data a month, no throttling, $45 bucks. :good:
Hope this helps, because NO ONE gave me a straight answer, Dont even bother calling T-Mobile, they're of absolutely no help. I flashed all sorts of custom ROMs, Kernels, Network Tools, Diagnostics, etc. trying to figure it out. It's just the way these Samsung phones (GT-I9300 and N7100 by the looks of it) work when their 3G/HSPA+ bands are not supported.
Cheers!
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Unfortunately I cannot be of any assistance to your issue, just wanted to comment however. I find it very odd that ALL Note II's don't work on every frequency. Bear with me, I'm under the impression that they are identical hardware wise, every version. So, maybe it's a simple matter of flashing a different radio.img? Not that there are any available currently, but there will be shortly. I hope (think) it will be similar to the ATT Note on Tmo. Hopefully it works out better though. We still don't know if the Tmo Note II will be HSPA+42 or not, but it will support next years Tmo LTE.
So, as of now, this is a little bit of a disappointment for Tmo customers looking for the N7100. Hope you can find a workaround for at least HSPA+21 soon :good:
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farfromovin,
I agree it's a complete pain why one model can't work worldwide - or even between carriers in one country, the US!! I'm not sure that all the revisions are the exact same hardware though. Certainly the different revisions will support different LTE bands from one another, different 3G bands (ie T-Mobile USA) and even different technologies (VZW, Sprint, US Cellular CDMA). Whether there is one uber radio chip that's the same in all versions, with different bits enabled here and there, I don't know. I would doubt that a chip currently exists to support all GSM, UMTS, LTE and CDMA bands in the one, but you never know.
I really cannot wait (getting super sick of it) until T-Mobile's 1900MHz refarming, and finally all UMTS/HSPA phones will work on pretty much any UMTS/HSPA network worldwide. But just as we finally get 3G harmony, LTE comes along with a zillion different bands, and we're back to where we were at the start of GSM, and the start of UMTS - all over again.
As far as getting the GT-N7100 to work on T-Mobile AWS bands - unless the radio supports that band somewhere, and can be enabled by some hacky flashing, I don't think there's much chance. I followed a thread for a while which was trying to do that for the original GT-N7000 and it ended up nowhere unfortunately.
I'd be very, very surprised if the T-Mobile US official Note II did not support DC-HSPA +42. Given how TMO pushes that, I don't think they'd sell a phone without it these days. I'm kind of surprised the GT-N7100 doesn't have it, to be honest, but I guess it's not yet that widespread, and most carriers will bypass it to go to LTE.
Cheers!
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That happened to me as well using my International Galaxy S3, I dug into it for about a month and trust me, it's something with the phone detecting that it can't connect to the HSPA+ bands it supports, and when it "defaults" down to EDGE it considers it "Roaming". Stop digging for answers, I was at it for weeks, this is the reason.
You wont get charged for roaming or anything though, so use EDGE until T-Mobile's refarming finally happens; I waited for 2 months and nothing, so I jumped ship and got Straight Talk. I use over 15 GB of data a month, no throttling, $45 bucks. :good:
Hope this helps, because NO ONE gave me a straight answer, Dont even bother calling T-Mobile, they're of absolutely no help. I flashed all sorts of custom ROMs, Kernels, Network Tools, Diagnostics, etc. trying to figure it out. It's just the way these Samsung phones (GT-I9300 and N7100 by the looks of it) work when their 3G/HSPA+ bands are not supported.
Cheers!
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Hey Ars-Hexis,
Thanks so much for the reply. I googled about the same issue on the i9300 as you mentioned - and sure enough a couple of threads on androidcentral, and tmobile support - and all with pretty much a bunch of people going "what?" I think you're right, and this is either some crazy change which Samsung has made to the "S3" generation of phones, or it's an unintended bug which was introduced. I contacted Samsung support on twitter but I'm sure they'll tell me to go away since this is an international model and not sold or supported in the US.
I would love to have this properly reported to Samsung though because it is NOT correct behaviour, and I'm sure it does not meet the 3GPP standard behaviour. These phones' definition of "roaming" is frankly wrong. It's possible they know about the bug but don't care about it too much, because it only affects the minority of importers or travelers, and then only on the very few networks which use AWS band for 3G.
The phone and data works fine of course, so it's really a cosmetic annoyance. However, if I was actually outside TMO's network without knowing it (maybe camping on to some network on the Canadian border or something) then I'd never know if I was actually roaming or not. So the phone's roaming indicator, by being permanently false, is useless in the times when I'm actually roaming. Since this is not a likely scenario for me to be on the Canadian border and roaming onto an AWS-only network any time soon, I'll not worry too much about it.
Yes, I'm really sick waiting on this refarming. It's a huge undertaking of course, so I understand why. I do have a Straight Talk AT&T SIM which I got for my Galaxy Note 1, however I don't use it often for several reasons: haven't ported my number to it, am wary about data throttling or cut-off, and I find the data hit or miss on Straight Talk anyway. I heard stories about people being warned or cut off after 100MB in any day, but if you're saying 15GB and no throttling, it may be something I want to put to the test!
Thanks a lot for your reply! It's nice to know I'm not crazy!
Cheers!
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Hey Ars-Hexis,
Thanks so much for the reply. I googled about the same issue on the i9300 as you mentioned - and sure enough a couple of threads on androidcentral, and tmobile support - and all with pretty much a bunch of people going "what?" I think you're right, and this is either some crazy change which Samsung has made to the "S3" generation of phones, or it's an unintended bug which was introduced. I contacted Samsung support on twitter but I'm sure they'll tell me to go away since this is an international model and not sold or supported in the US.
I would love to have this properly reported to Samsung though because it is NOT correct behaviour, and I'm sure it does not meet the 3GPP standard behaviour. These phones' definition of "roaming" is frankly wrong. It's possible they know about the bug but don't care about it too much, because it only affects the minority of importers or travelers, and then only on the very few networks which use AWS band for 3G.
The phone and data works fine of course, so it's really a cosmetic annoyance. However, if I was actually outside TMO's network without knowing it (maybe camping on to some network on the Canadian border or something) then I'd never know if I was actually roaming or not. So the phone's roaming indicator, by being permanently false, is useless in the times when I'm actually roaming. Since this is not a likely scenario for me to be on the Canadian border and roaming onto an AWS-only network any time soon, I'll not worry too much about it.
Yes, I'm really sick waiting on this refarming. It's a huge undertaking of course, so I understand why. I do have a Straight Talk AT&T SIM which I got for my Galaxy Note 1, however I don't use it often for several reasons: haven't ported my number to it, am wary about data throttling or cut-off, and I find the data hit or miss on Straight Talk anyway. I heard stories about people being warned or cut off after 100MB in any day, but if you're saying 15GB and no throttling, it may be something I want to put to the test!
Thanks a lot for your reply! It's nice to know I'm not crazy!
Cheers!
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Hey there! Sorry I hadn't answered in such a long time. We'll actually I've found that the S3 (sold it) and the Note 2 (own it) some how cannot be tracked for data usage correctly by straight talk. It's quite interesting... I ported my number over from T-Mobile, so if you have an S3 with a T-mobile prepaid sim... I think you have nothing to lose! I'm in Dallas and regularly get around 3-4Mbits/S during high usage hours and 6-7Mbits/S after 7 pm when network usage goes down.
There have been 2 occasions over the past 2 months where I'm throttled for like an hour and suddenly it gets uncapped on its own (?!?!?) lol. Last month I used about 25 GB... It's insane. Btw, if you if get throttled for real (happened to me once), you can just call them and say your "Internets is slow" (act technologically challenged) and they'll reset it.
Ah 1 last thing: I got the at&T ST sim card when I switched.
Cheers!
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I just got my International Note 2 today, and I am using it on the T-Mobile network also. I am seeing that I am roaming but my data is off and I am just using wifi. I have turned off my phone and back on again and its still showing. But after reading this whole thread I am getting that is a bug or something along those lines is that correct? Thanks.
I really need to know
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roaming
I am on prepaid tmobile and I have Roaming sign only in areas where I used to loose signal with my old phone . Basically when I go in Garage underground my signal starts getting weaker and weaker and then roaming kiks in and signal is up all the way . T-mobile does not charges for local roaming . If you use USA tmobile and you are in usa you are fine . My texts and voice are still the same rate for me . When I had Chinese rom it was showing all the time , now I flashed German t-mobile and R shows only sometime , but it does not bother me .
Hope this helps .
I too have a Note II (GT-N7100) I purchased in Thailand in December. I use it on the T-Mobile network and have the same issues with the "R" symbol. I am located in Tampa Bay area, Florida.
T-Mobile was indicating to me in January that this was an issue in weaker signal areas for their data network as they prepare to refarm it. Don't know if this explanation is entirely accurate, but I find in my local area that the R symbol goes away in certain areas and it behaves "normally". This includes the area where my T-Mobile office is located. It seems to be somewhat of a patchwork network, and for some reasons certain areas cause it to go into the Roaming mode.
I was just on a trip with stops in Los Amgeles, San Francisco, and Philadelphia and noted the same behavior in some of those cities: Getting normal signal indications in some places, and Roaming in others.
Hi fellow's, I'm trying to find a way to identify which model of the Zenfone 5 supports LTE Band 20. I heard that there are 3 different versions, a/b/c, from which 2 support LTE Band 20. How can I identify the right model? Do the have different serial numbers or anything like that? Maybe one of you can share their package (or rather the back of it) or phone information.
Or is there an app to check which Bands are supported?
Thanks ins advance
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Hi fellow's, I'm trying to find a way to identify which model of the Zenfone 5 supports LTE Band 20. I heard that there are 3 different versions, a/b/c, from which 2 support LTE Band 20. How can I identify the right model? Do the have different serial numbers or anything like that? Maybe one of you can share their package (or rather the back of it) or phone information.
Or is there an app to check which Bands are supported?
Thanks ins advance
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For more information, visit this link: https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-5-ZE620KL/Tech-Specs/
Or you can ask in ASUS ZenTalk because you won't get any help here.
A is the eurppean version.
B is the Global version. So if you don't buy it from local carriers (or through official channels), then you'll find this global version.
Currently there is no version for USA 4G.
This thread mentions the 5 but just to add some more info...the 5z supports more bands as listed here (https://www.asus.com/Phone/ZenFone-5Z-ZS620KL/Tech-Specs/). All 3 versions support band 20.
I'd also like to know the answer to this question. I've bought one from China and am not sure if it supports the LTE band I need. What makes it worse is that it doesn't show what whether the phone is on 2G, 3G or 4G next to the mobile signal strength on the screen. I've never seen a phone do this. Is this normal on this phone? Is there a way to get to show it on screen?
Mine arrived a few days ago and the supported Bands were on the back of the package. I got a taiwanese version without Band 20/800mhz but I can identify wether I'm in 3G or 4G
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I'd also like to know the answer to this question. I've bought one from China and am not sure if it supports the LTE band I need. What makes it worse is that it doesn't show what whether the phone is on 2G, 3G or 4G next to the mobile signal strength on the screen. I've never seen a phone do this. Is this normal on this phone? Is there a way to get to show it on screen?
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Do you have WiFi turned on? I don't have a sim in my 5 at the moment but I seem to recall it showing 4G, etc. next to the mobile signal strength if WiFi was turned off.
Thanks guys. Yep, I had WiFi turned on. I turned it off there it was "H". WTF is that all about!! You can't see whether you're on 2G, 3G or 4G unless you have WiFi turned off??!! Terrible design decision because I have WiFi on all the time, as do most of us, and I need to know what "G" I'm on as it affects data transfer, essential for my work......anyway, I also looked on the back of the box and there it is Band 20 is missing (the most popular 4G band in the UK). Great. Another ridiculous design design decision. And to add insult to injury the fingerprint sensor is poor. Only work 6/10 times. I'd seen this on reviews but figured they weren't doing it right. I've re-entered fingerprints a few times now and makes no difference. My old Honor 7 and my lads Xiaomi phone work 10/10 and lightning quick so there's no excuse........So the phone is going back......to China. Wonder if I'll ever see my money again.
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Thanks guys. Yep, I had WiFi turned on. I turned it off there it was "H". WTF is that all about!! You can't see whether you're on 2G, 3G or 4G unless you have WiFi turned off??!! Terrible design decision because I have WiFi on all the time, as do most of us, and I need to know what "G" I'm on as it affects data transfer, essential for my work......anyway, I also looked on the back of the box and there it is Band 20 is missing (the most popular 4G band in the UK). Great. Another ridiculous design design decision. And to add insult to injury the fingerprint sensor is poor. Only work 6/10 times. I'd seen this on reviews but figured they weren't doing it right. I've re-entered fingerprints a few times now and makes no difference. My old Honor 7 and my lads Xiaomi phone work 10/10 and lightning quick so there's no excuse........So the phone is going back......to China. Wonder if I'll ever see my money again.
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All my previous Android phones worked this way. You can't see 2G/3G/4G, while you're on Wi-Fi. It's not ASUS's design, it's Android default design.
Indeed Band 20 is missing if you bought the Global version. If you want B20, you have to buy it officially from your local carrier/store, because that's the one made for EU.
EDIT: Before I consufe someone, let me clarify. What I said is only true for the Zenfone 5, because all versions of the Zenfone 5Z supports B20.
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Thanks guys. Yep, I had WiFi turned on. I turned it off there it was "H". WTF is that all about!! You can't see whether you're on 2G, 3G or 4G unless you have WiFi turned off??!! Terrible design decision because I have WiFi on all the time, as do most of us, and I need to know what "G" I'm on as it affects data transfer, essential for my work......anyway, I also looked on the back of the box and there it is Band 20 is missing (the most popular 4G band in the UK). Great. Another ridiculous design design decision. And to add insult to injury the fingerprint sensor is poor. Only work 6/10 times. I'd seen this on reviews but figured they weren't doing it right. I've re-entered fingerprints a few times now and makes no difference. My old Honor 7 and my lads Xiaomi phone work 10/10 and lightning quick so there's no excuse........So the phone is going back......to China. Wonder if I'll ever see my money again.
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G is 2G
H is 3G
H+ is 3.5G
4G/LTE is 4G :silly:
4G/LTE-A is 4.5G
Stock Android shows which G are you connected when WiFi is turned on (may use mobile data)
Stock Android shows which G are you connected when WiFi is turned on (may use mobile data)
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Guys, where the hell do you get this? I've never in my life seen a phone which showed 4G, when on wi-fi.
Pixel 2:
OnePlus 6:
Moto X Pure:
Ashenphoenix said:
Guys, where the hell do you get this? I've never in my life seen a phone which showed 4G, when on wi-fi.
Pixel 2:
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Try to switch on WiFi (disconnect LAN cable from gateway) + Mobile Data
If it's not available, flash custom ROM/stock ROM (not sure if it's available) and there is an option called 'Smart Network Switch'
Saktis_STi said:
Try to switch on WiFi (disconnect LAN cable from gateway) + Mobile Data
If it's not available, flash custom ROM/stock ROM (not sure if it's available) and there is an option called 'Smart Network Switch'
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Ahh, indeed. So if you're on wi-fi, but there's no connection behind it, it should show a "!" next to the wi-fi and show 2/3/4G on the network. That's right, it's just not something that happens to me very often (or ever...).
But, yes that's a bug, I'll report it early tomorrow. Also the problem is different. It doesn't show 2/3/4G, because it stays on wi-fi and if I try to load a website it says it's unavailable, because I'm offline, so the bug is, that the phone doesn't switch from wi-fi to mobile network if the wi-fi doesn't have a connection.
I'm pretty sure it'll get fixed.
So are they making a version with the bands needed for TMobile and att?
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The spec page has been updated and it appears version A has the fewest bands, version B next, and version C - everything. Why would anyone not want version C?
Mesmurized said:
The spec page has been updated and it appears version A has the fewest bands, version B next, and version C - everything. Why would anyone not want version C?
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Agreed...version C is the best. From what I can tell, all the ones available for sale to this point are A versions (at least from what the website listings have shown). According to an ASUS person on Zentalk, the US version will be the B variant. I'd buy one in a second if I could find either the B or C version online anywhere.
Why can't manufactures just suck it up and support every available band? I believe IPhones do it and I think the unlocked Galaxy S9+ does, too.
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Why can't manufactures just suck it up and support every available band? I believe IPhones do it and I think the unlocked Galaxy S9+ does, too.
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They pay for licensing to enable all bands. Cheaper to do without.
If you don't make your own SoC like Huawei or Samsung, you need to pay for more bands. It's not a lot but just for example 10$ per device and you sell millions...
When I click that link and look at version c I'm not seeing all those bands u have on your screenshot
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The spec page has been updated and it appears version A has the fewest bands, version B next, and version C - everything. Why would anyone not want version C?
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According to what is shown on a Samsung website right now, there will be no base level s20 for Verizon. Verizon will start at the s20+.
I love the idea of bringing an "unlocked" version to VZW, but in past phones I've seen this mean a loss of features like wifi & HD calling. And all kinds of hoops to jump through - w/ mixed success - by users to get basic features working.
Any thoughts on if these issues will carry over still or does the tech changes (or VzW) improving this experience & option for buyers?
The phone will not work on Verizon's current 5G network because it doesn't support the mmWave band. Supposedly, there will be a different Verizon S20 that does support mmWave coming out in Q2.
From what I've read on here and reddit, people who had the unlocked S10 did not have issues with Verizon with things like wifi calling, visual voicemail, RCS chat, and VoLTE.
5G is literally of no interest to me. Just for the record that is ?
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The phone will not work on Verizon's current 5G network because it doesn't support the mmWave band. Supposedly, there will be a different Verizon S20 that does support mmWave coming out in Q2.
From what I've read on here and reddit, people who had the unlocked S10 did not have issues with Verizon with things like wifi calling, visual voicemail, RCS chat, and VoLTE.
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I just read this...
"the Galaxy S20 can only make use of the so-called Sub-6 5G. The Galaxy S20+ and S20 Ultra, on the other hand, will support both Sub-6 and mmWave. Verizon is said to exclusively carry a Galaxy S20 variant that also supports mmWave, just to make things even more confusing."
Following this thread.
I want the S20 (and I have Verizon). Will buy the unlocked version if I won't lose anything (other than 5G capability). I figure when Verizon releases its version I can sell the unlocked one.... Good idea?
Lock-N-Load said:
According to what is shown on a Samsung website right now, there will be no base level s20 for Verizon. Verizon will start at the s20+.
I love the idea of bringing an "unlocked" version to VZW, but in past phones I've seen this mean a loss of features like wifi & HD calling. And all kinds of hoops to jump through - w/ mixed success - by users to get basic features working.
Any thoughts on if these issues will carry over still or does the tech changes (or VzW) improving this experience & option for buyers?
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My experience with an unlocked Galaxy phone on Verizon was like you said, no WiFi & HD calling, no native video calls and much slower security updates.
Airstream25 said:
My experience with an unlocked Galaxy phone on Verizon was like you said, no WiFi & HD calling, no native video calls and much slower security updates.
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From experience of literally any device I had, including Samsung devices, I never had these kinds of problems, even my current device sports all of the things you just mentioned, even though it's unlocked.
I would give it a try, if not you can still refund it and get Verizon's model right?
My wife has an unlocked Xperia on Verizon. Wi-Fi calling is not available and she cannot use Verizon's visual voicemail app (I downloaded it from apk mirror and it refused to open). Sony phones are unpopular, so I am not surprised they are not fully supported on VZW. Unlocked Samsung phones may be different in that regard. However, I would not count on Wi-Fi calling nor the ability to use Verizon's VVM on unlocked S20 until someone actually confirms those capabilities, which won't be possible until the phone is launched.
I am wondering about this, just for the record also, I have a S10 from Xfinity that was unlocked and I DO get Wifi Calling on Verizon Pre-paid (no idea about visual VM since prepaid does not support it) (same for my older XF unlocked S8)
With all that being said, I am going to Cross my fingers and hope the S20 does work without issue on my Pre-paid Verizon. I have an iPhone X that I want to get rid of and trade so its a risk if I wait.
I've decided to hold out on the s20 unlocked preorder to see if anyone else rolls the dice & sees this topic & chimes in. I get tired of vzw bloat nonsense.
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I've decided to hold out on the s20 unlocked preorder to see if anyone else rolls the dice & sees this topic & chimes in. I get tired of vzw bloat nonsense.
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Thanks to the way cell providers provision phones now days even buying unlocked phones will sill get a providers bloat installed. I also want to say I recall seeing somewhere that if you get an unlocked S20, video calling of some sort wont work either.
You will not want a S20 on Verizon if you desire 5G. Verizon is mmWave 5G only and the S20 will not support that. Having said that, I am sure it will work fine as a LTE phone, and let's face it - LTE is plenty for the majority of us with regards to bandwidth/speed.
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Yeah I did look into this and while you can get a S20 unlocked yes you'll miss out on the 5G part right now... which for some its a non issue. I have zero 5G service by me so I could care less. Though, if you want to get a S20 your going to pay more for it if you can get a good trade in deal thats going on right now.
I'm using an unlocked s20 on Verizon. Not seeing any issues as of yet.
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I'm using an unlocked s20 on Verizon. Not seeing any issues as of yet.
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Did you happen to try HD Calling (VOLTE)
or Wi-Fi calling? I'm just about positive MMS and Mobile hotspot will work, I don't care about Wi-Fi Wi-Fi calling but would like HD calling to be able to talk and surf at the same time.
. I first ordered a Verizon version at the very beginning of preorder then you had to use Verizon financing to get the full $600 trade in on my S10+ now you don't .
My S20+ came today but I'm on vacation and won't be home till Friday and by then The preorder deals will be over, so I'm thinking of preordering a Verizon version Thursday night and cancel it hopefully after I find out Friday, It would really help to know for sure and not have to go through the hassle of ordering and canceling.
Are you on a regular or prepay plan?
Thanks in advance for your response.
It's in settings/ connections /advanced calling. See photo
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XRSTOY1 said:
Did you happen to try HD Calling (VOLTE)
or Wi-Fi calling? I'm just about positive MMS and Mobile hotspot will work, I don't care about Wi-Fi Wi-Fi calling but would like HD calling to be able to talk and surf at the same time.
. I first ordered a Verizon version at the very beginning of preorder then you had to use Verizon financing to get the full $600 trade in on my S10+ now you don't .
My S20+ came today but I'm on vacation and won't be home till Friday and by then The preorder deals will be over, so I'm thinking of preordering a Verizon version Thursday night and cancel it hopefully after I find out Friday, It would really help to know for sure and not have to go through the hassle of ordering and canceling.
Are you on a regular or prepay plan?
Thanks in advance for your response.
It's in settings/ connections /advanced calling. See photoView attachment 4963815
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I'm a regular Verizon customer. I don't see option for HD calling but show volte is selected. Wifi calling is also selected. See pics. Hope this helps.
Thanks for checking funny I have Android 10 on my 10+ and the S20 is different but thanks for checking it helps alot
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I have Verizon Pre-paid with the S20 , 4G works 100% ,and Voice over IP works fine also!
no issues at all .. works 100%.. no Verizon bloat was installed either.. YaY!!!
So a little update.
I have Verizon Prepaid, and they are saying that since I have an S20 unlocked phone that its not compatible with their network configurations for some reason. EVERYTHING works 100% except for voicemail, When I dial *86 it says that "You are not authorized to use this service" . The tech can get it working by removing something from the SIM and then adding it back, but then later it re-registers and does that again.
Still on the phone with them, they are looking at what they can do. I find that this might be one of these futile issues, I wonder if I can just have it forward to my Google Voice number. Then I can get Visual Voicemail anyways..
seems like a weird problem that everything works except calling *86 for voicemail..
Awesome updates people - keep them coming.
The phone is released at retail today so I'm going to go look at one at Best Buy but I'm not going to buy until I find out how others are experiencing an unlocked version on Verizon and what they might be missing.
PS - 5G is of NO, zero, zilch interest for me. It's a waste of time presently, 4G is fine. But everything else I want to work; VM, wifi calling, HD calling, messages, a lack of VZW bloat all do appeal to me.