Browsed the stickies for this stuff, but the closest I found was a pretty old post from before Verizon shut down S-Off.
I have a new HTC One w/ build 1.10.605.8 (Android 4.2.2/Sense 5.0). How far behind is this? Does it mean I have a better chance for exploits to work? I'm making a point of not putting the phone into a position where it might take an OTA. Presumably hacking the phone gets harder with the latest builds.
I would like to root this, if possible. If I can unlock the bootloader that's even better. S-Off not as important, but I'll do it if it's the pathway to an unlocked boot. I'm guessing there are still ways to unlock this (or equivalent) since Big Red shut down our HTC Dev?
Is there a current thread discussing this? Maybe somebody can show me where the latest info is. Or at least tell me what the general strategy is for customizing this device, if it's possible.
I'm pretty comfortable with this stuff; I once had to use a wire to S-Off an HTC Rezound. I just need to know where to go to find the current tools.
I saw references to weaksauce, rumrunner and firewater. Are these current? Can someone steer me toward the latest and greatest???
cpurick said:
Browsed the stickies for this stuff, but the closest I found was a pretty old post from before Verizon shut down S-Off.
I have a new HTC One w/ build 1.10.605.8 (Android 4.2.2/Sense 5.0). How far behind is this? Does it mean I have a better chance for exploits to work? I'm making a point of not putting the phone into a position where it might take an OTA. Presumably hacking the phone gets harder with the latest builds.
I would like to root this, if possible. If I can unlock the bootloader that's even better. S-Off not as important, but I'll do it if it's the pathway to an unlocked boot. I'm guessing there are still ways to unlock this (or equivalent) since Big Red shut down our HTC Dev?
Is there a current thread discussing this? Maybe somebody can show me where the latest info is. Or at least tell me what the general strategy is for customizing this device, if it's possible.
I'm pretty comfortable with this stuff; I once had to use a wire to S-Off an HTC Rezound. I just need to know where to go to find the current tools.
I saw references to weaksauce, rumrunner and firewater. Are these current? Can someone steer me toward the latest and greatest???
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Since you're on 4.2.2 and 5.0 you should be able to use rumrunner.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2473644
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brholt6 said:
Since you're on 4.2.2 and 5.0 you should be able to use rumrunner.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2473644
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Thank you very much.
Looks like this tool sets S-Off? Does that disable/bypass the signature checks in the bootloader, or does it allow install of an alternate bootloader? How do I get from S-Off to a custom ROM?
cpurick said:
Thank you very much.
Looks like this tool sets S-Off? Does that disable/bypass the signature checks in the bootloader, or does it allow install of an alternate bootloader? How do I get from S-Off to a custom ROM?
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Not sure exactly, but once you're s-off you can just flash a recovery via fastboot and then flash a custom Rom through recovery.
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brholt6 said:
Not sure exactly, but once you're s-off you can just flash a recovery via fastboot and then flash a custom Rom through recovery.
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And I can do that even though I can't technically unlock the bootloader?
cpurick said:
And I can do that even though I can't technically unlock the bootloader?
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It will unlock your boot loader.
http://rumrunner.us
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cpurick said:
And I can do that even though I can't technically unlock the bootloader?
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Any luck? In case anyone else has the same question in the future.
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cpurick said:
And I can do that even though I can't technically unlock the bootloader?
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S-Off trumps all. With S-Off you can do anything with your phone, including unlocking the boot loader and custom recoveries.
I used rumrunner because my older build was identified as being vulnerable to that exploit. I'm not sure about the interactions between S-Off and Bootloader because the device+build-specific rumrunner did both S-Off and unlocked BL in addition to rooting it. It says "unlock" but the experience looked like an engineering bootloader had been installed. The phone acquired a proprietary HTC disclaimer at startup.
If you have an early enough build, I would definitely recommend rumrunner for unlocking it. That program totally pwned the phone.
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I used rumrunner because my older build was identified as being vulnerable to that exploit. I'm not sure about the interactions between S-Off and Bootloader because the device+build-specific rumrunner did both S-Off and unlocked BL in addition to rooting it. It says "unlock" but the experience looked like an engineering bootloader had been installed. The phone acquired a proprietary HTC disclaimer at startup.
If you have an early enough build, I would definitely recommend rumrunner for unlocking it. That program totally pwned the phone.
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The warning comes when you go S-Off. Every HTC One with S-Off does that. Rumrunner did its job.
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Anybody having any luck re-rooting after the Sense 6 OTA today?
brent372 said:
Anybody having any luck re-rooting after the Sense 6 OTA today?
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im guessing they patched the exploit and will have to wait for a new one if you went back to locked, or s-on status.
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im guessing they patched the exploit and will have to wait for a new one if you went back to locked, or s-on status.
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Never S-OFF'd or unlocked it.
Never perm-rooted it. Didn't even have custom recovery.
It was 100%, just rooted. It is a work-only phone so I am not overly concerned with it. But it would still be nice to be able to.
brent372 said:
Never S-OFF'd or unlocked it.
Never perm-rooted it. Didn't even have custom recovery.
It was 100%, just rooted. It is a work-only phone so I am not overly concerned with it. But it would still be nice to be able to.
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Ah, im sure someone will find a way. they always do.
synisterwolf said:
Ah, im sure someone will find a way. they always do.
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Tell that to the folks in the VZW s5 forums. lol
eman7131 said:
Tell that to the folks in the VZW s5 forums. lol
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i guess i should say that HTC phones seem to be easier to root, well from the outside looking in that is. i have no clue how hard it really is to find an exploit.
newest RUU today
FLASH: Just now, I can confirm that after taking the 5-28-2014 update (4.10.605.3) Weaksauce 1.01 can't any longer attain root.
michaelbsheldon said:
FLASH: Just now, I can confirm that after taking the 5-28-2014 update (4.10.605.3) Weaksauce 1.01 can't any longer attain root.
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And this is why I always tell people that if they want to stay rooted or unlock in the future that they shouldn't take any OTAs.
Wasnt a deal breaker for me on this phone
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not a tragedy
GrayTheWolf said:
And this is why I always tell people that if they want to stay rooted or unlock in the future that they shouldn't take any OTAs.
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Nah, just a learning exercise!!
Was locked and S-0ff and took the 0TA to check it out. Including Weaksauce.
Easily flashed an unencrypted older RUU, then unlocked the bootloader with Scotty's recipe posted earlier.
Made firmware newest with SantoD's no-boot firmware and we're back at the races!
michaelbsheldon said:
Nah, just a learning exercise!!
Was locked and S-0ff and took the 0TA to check it out. Including Weaksauce.
Easily flashed an unencrypted older RUU, then unlocked the bootloader with Scotty's recipe posted earlier.
Made firmware newest with SantoD's no-boot firmware and we're back at the races!
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If s-off there's no need to lock to get an OTA.
Also, keep this so you don't need to flash back to an older RUU.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2765784
I was s-off and bootloader unlocked before sending it in but they must have replaced something major to change that... Do we have anything to get s-off and unlock the bootloader on the latest update or am I stuck with stock? Thanks!
stuck with stock until an new exploit is release. i am in the same boat
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stuck with stock until an new exploit is release. i am in the same boat
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Me too. Currently the best hope appears to be the sunfire exploit. seems like jcase and beaups are currently working on an exploit and have published a lot of them previously. but nothing at the moment. I believe that you may be able to get temp root from a version of towelroot but the kernel exploits that were previously used, rumrunner, etc. are not compatible with the new kernel in 4.4.2 aka Sense 6.0.
At least that's what I have been able to determine from skimming over these forums. :good:
by sunfire do you mean sunshine? i'd gladly pay for it if it works with the m7 with 4.4.2 and sense 6. i miss AOSP
d0m_ said:
by sunfire do you mean sunshine? i'd gladly pay for it if it works with the m7 with 4.4.2 and sense 6. i miss AOSP
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That's my main thing too, I really grew to like aosp on the one...
I just got my M8 yesterday after running over my previous phone, and immediately started looking into s-off and root. Am I screwed with the 4.4.3 update when it comes to s-off, because it seems like firewater won't work. Is there a different exploit that works? I couldn't find anything searching. My apologizes about the noobness, I'm always like this when I first get a new device. Many thanks in advance, sorry for any errors grammar-wise, I'm on my phone.
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I just got my M8 yesterday after running over my previous phone, and immediately started looking into s-off and root. Am I screwed with the 4.4.3 update when it comes to s-off, because it seems like firewater won't work. Is there a different exploit that works? I couldn't find anything searching. My apologizes about the noobness, I'm always like this when I first get a new device. Many thanks in advance, sorry for any errors grammar-wise, I'm on my phone.
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You need to use Sunshine. It costs $25 and not transferrable to a different phone, but it is worth it IMHO.
http://theroot.ninja/
FreydNot said:
You need to use Sunshine. It costs $25 and not transferrable to a different phone, but it is worth it IMHO.
http://theroot.ninja/
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Cool, thanks. Sunshine is just for s-off, right? I can still root and bootloader unlock without sunshine, correct?
themacman1000 said:
Cool, thanks. Sunshine is just for s-off, right? I can still root and bootloader unlock without sunshine, correct?
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I did, then I must have done something wrong. had a pretty constant reboot problem. Ended up buying S-Off and flashing GPE ruu.
phil.culler said:
I did, then I must have done something wrong. had a pretty constant reboot problem. Ended up buying S-Off and flashing GPE ruu.
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Sweet, thank you very much. I'm just a bit tight after buying this phone and having a 1k mile road trip this week. Good to know I can get my root on.
I just did the same thing I love it no more sense or HTC preventing me from running the latest software
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Cool, thanks. Sunshine is just for s-off, right? I can still root and bootloader unlock without sunshine, correct?
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Correct, but I preferred to get S-off with sunshine then root and unlock the bootloader without having to get the HTC developer unlock. This way HTC doesn't have any record of the bootloader being unlocked.
If there is http://www.htcdev.com/bootloader, doesn't that mean every device after 2011 has an unlockable bootloader?
I know something is wrong because devs in this forum are working for a 4.4.4 bootloader unlock solution. What's the situation then? Does the htcdev tool only work for certain devices/models?
Just a sidenote, I own a s4, so forgive me if this is a dumb question.
I think you are referring to s-off?
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badboy47 said:
I think you are referring to s-off?
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yes, sorry, I read a bit more and I really mean s-off. What are the advantages of this? I'm just confused why developers are hacking htc to gain access to s-off or whatever if the bootloader can already be unlocked via the htc dev website. In the s4 forums, only a unlocked bootloader is necessary for a custom recovery and roms.
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yes, sorry, I read a bit more and I really mean s-off. What are the advantages of this? I'm just confused why developers are hacking htc to gain access to s-off or whatever if the bootloader can already be unlocked via the htc dev website. In the s4 forums, only a unlocked bootloader is necessary for a custom recovery and roms.
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There are many advantages of being s-off; depends on what you want to do with your phone. For starter there is a great blog detailing what is s-off and what it does.
First you must know that this concept is applied especially on HTC’s Android featured smartphones, being like a carrier restriction over your phone’s internal system. This restriction is keeping you away from changing the main settings, or from customizing, optimizing and improving the operating system that runs on your device. That’s why if you have a phone which has S turned On you will not be able to root it, or to do other stuffs with its system. The main problem is that most of the smartphones are being delivered with S-On, so you will have to change this aspect afterwards Continue reading...
That guide you linked to is a bit misleading, at least as far as current HTC devices are concerned. You may want to consider reading the first post of the link below, instead. You can obviously root & flash a custom ROM to a device that's S-on, but there are obvious limitations that don't exist once a device is S-off. I've had 4 different HTC devices over the years and I was able to root and flash a custom ROM to all of them while still S-on.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1680928
OP, I also suggest reading my bootloader guide for the M8. It's specific for Sprint as far as software and firmware information goes, but the general info is universal at least as far as the M8 is concerned. That guide can be found in the second link in my sig.
Apologies in advance for being dumb.....
I'm currently on an S4. Things are simple. I root. I install TWRP recovery. I flash whatever ROM I want. I flash back to full stock if I want to. Real easy.
I've been considering the HTC One M9, and reading up for a couple weeks now. I'm confused about some things....hoping someone can help clear things up.
First off, FYI - I'm Verizon.
I just read a page that explained the difference between root, unlocked bootloader, and s-off:
http://www.pocketables.com/2012/08/the-difference-between-root-s-offon-lockedunlocked-bootloader-in-the-htc-evo-series.html
I should clarify the *typical* reasons I don't stay stock with my S4 and previous phones:
Handful of apps I use that need root.
Benefiting from various things that custom ROMs give me - debloat, etc.
Hotspot
Now let's see if I can ask my questions correctly:
Can the HTC One M9 be rooted without unlocked bootloader and/or s-off? If for example I just wanted to be able to run apps that require root.
Unlocked bootloader - This is where I get confused with s-off. I know I can't use HTCDEV. And the folks that are shipping their phones to people with the special cards are looking to get s-off it seems. Can someone clarify if there will likely be a software method to unlock bootloader (without necessarily chasing after s-off)?
s-off: Given the reasons stated above that I typically don't stay stock, do I care about s-off? It sounds like with an unlocked bootloader I can do custom recovery and ROMs, and s-off just allows me to access additional stuff I wouldn't typically want to mess with...is this correct?
In all 3 scenarios above, is there the ability to return phone to full stock?
I'm due for an upgrade, and wanna get the phone, but worried I won't be able to do what I want with it, or be in a situation where I can't get a repair/replacement if something ever happens to it.
Thank you so much in advance for any insight someone can provide....
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First off, FYI - I'm Verizon.
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Verizon does not allow the M9 to be unlocked. In order to do anything with that device, you will need to purchase a java card or find someone with one.
Go to the Verizon M9 forum for more information.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9
You might want to check other Verizon phones, but I highly doubt that the M9 is the only phone that verizon prevents from being unlocked. So you might be in the same boat no matter which device you choose.
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Verizon does not allow the M9 to be unlocked. In order to do anything with that device, you will need to purchase a java card or find someone with one.
Go to the Verizon M9 forum for more information.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/verizon-one-m9
You might want to check other Verizon phones, but I highly doubt that the M9 is the only phone that verizon prevents from being unlocked. So you might be in the same boat no matter which device you choose.
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Oops! Can a mod by chance move this to the Verizon specific forum? I thought that's where I was...
Bootloader boots the os.
Root gives special permissions to allow changes to root but certain parts of the device are locked (modem, radio etc).
S-off (secure off) gives full access to root and partitions. Allows permanent changes to modem, radio etc.
Non of these are needed by the average user and this point is made clear when said average user doesn't understand and cannot get their head around it.
Htc is not like samsung. Samsung openly support flashing devices by not locking the bootloader in the first place but on the flip side samsung roms are blatanly the fastest for their devices over custom roms.
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Bootloader boots the os.
Root gives special permissions to allow changes to root but certain parts of the device are locked (modem, radio etc).
S-off (secure off) gives full access to root and partitions. Allows permanent changes to modem, radio etc.
Non of these are needed by the average user and this point is made clear when said average user doesn't understand and cannot get their head around it.
Htc is not like samsung. Samsung openly support flashing devices by not locking the bootloader in the first place but on the flip side samsung roms are blatanly the fastest for their devices over custom roms.
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So my apologies in advance if I'm sounding like an idiot here....as with Verizon's announcement I'm now rushed to possibly purchase this phone at discounted rate.
I know with s-off I need to send it off to a friend of these forums with a donation. But I don't think I need s-off (not sure I need to flash radio and whatnot)...as I just want root and ability to flash custom recovery and a custom ROM. Can I do those things without having s-off (my reading tells me no, but want to be sure)? Or can root be acquired and ability for custom recovery without s-off? Or is there somewhere I can read that answers these questions in details?
And is there an ability to return to stock if I run into problems?
Sorry if these questions are redundant to my previous questions or prevailing answers provided.
Thanks for any info.
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So my apologies in advance if I'm sounding like an idiot here....as with Verizon's announcement I'm now rushed to possibly purchase this phone at discounted rate.
I know with s-off I need to send it off to a friend of these forums with a donation. But I don't think I need s-off (not sure I need to flash radio and whatnot)...as I just want root and ability to flash custom recovery and a custom ROM. Can I do those things without having s-off (my reading tells me no, but want to be sure)? Or can root be acquired and ability for custom recovery without s-off? Or is there somewhere I can read that answers these questions in details?
And is there an ability to return to stock if I run into problems?
Sorry if these questions are redundant to my previous questions or prevailing answers provided.
Thanks for any info.
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Your only choice is s-off. You cannot unlock your bootloader via HTC dev as Verizon blocks us. So the only way to do what you want is s-off. When I s-off someone's phone I also unlock the bootloader manually and flash twrp and supersu.
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dottat said:
Your only choice is s-off. You cannot unlock your bootloader via HTC dev as Verizon blocks us. So the only way to do what you want is s-off. When I s-off someone's phone I also unlock the bootloader manually and flash twrp and supersu.
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I have Verizon M9 S-OFF, but I could not unlock bootloader. Plz tell me how could I unlock bootloader.