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anyone here own one? im travelling in a few month to hawaii and would like to transfer my pictures to the xoom as storage. i dont want travel with my notebook.
http://www.amazon.com/Motorola-Conn...UTF8&coliid=IF70AGSHPXU46&colid=3BUSWA7ZLTADW
I actually bought one of eBay and use it with my DSLR.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-O...043139?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a699da883
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pamaguin said:
I actually bought one of eBay and use it with my DSLR.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Micro-USB-O...043139?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3a699da883
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What camera do you have?
okantomi said:
What camera do you have?
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Nikon D5000
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Nikon D5000
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Good to know it works with that model...some do and some don't.
ordered from ebay right away
hopefully it works...
i just ordered a genuine motorola one, can i hook up USB thumb sticks and hard drives using this?
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i just ordered a genuine motorola one, can i hook up USB thumb sticks and hard drives using this?
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Works fine on all my thumb drives (running moray)
No luck on any of my USB 3.0 external drives (hdd or ssd but not an issue for me)
jm821 said:
Works fine on all my thumb drives (running moray)
No luck on any of my USB 3.0 external drives (hdd or ssd but not an issue for me)
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My usb3 WD Passport HDD works fine.
okantomi said:
My usb3 WD Passport HDD works fine.
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None of my Intel 320 160gb SSD's or my WD black 7200 HDDs work but I'm not concerned about it. Most of my stuff is in box.net cloud to pull at a moments notice.
My on the go thumb drives are more an important- its the small business pdfs and excels that I need have (and guarantees that I have it). As long as those work, I'm fine with what I got.
bummer, it doesnt support my gopro hero hd camera but supports my canon powershot point and shoot camera.
So the genuine motorola camera connection usb cable ARE host otg cables?
bretto_aus said:
So the genuine motorola camera connection usb cable ARE host otg cables?
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Yes, guanteed. There are others available but it can be iffy to get true OTG.
Samsung original OTG Cable works like a charm.
The samsung original cable works great with the xoom. Was able to connect my pen drive, mouse, keyboard, hd. The 500gb WD disk had to be mounted using NTFS mount but it works
How does this work with the digital camera? I have a Nikon D90 and am intrigued whether to get it.
hawkstorm said:
How does this work with the digital camera? I have a Nikon D90 and am intrigued whether to get it.
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If your Xoom is running a STOCK rom, then your camera must support PTP Data Transfer Protocol to see the camera and be able to browse/transfer pix. Example: Connecting my Nikon D40 DSLR, which only supports USB Mass Storage mode, the XOOM doesn't see it. Connecting my Nikon S8200, I must set it for PTP mode rather than the default MTP mode for the Xoom to see it.
Its my understanding that if want to connect/access data on devices that support USB Mass Storage mode via your Xoom (hard drive, Memory stick, etc), you need to be running a 3rd party rom. With one exception to this being Recovery and flashing a ROM update. (I'm sure someone will correct me if my understanding is wrong on this).
So, this works:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005FUNYSA/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
However, it doesn't work for everything. A mouse works, but a USB Flash Drive doesn't seem to work, nor does another USB device that does work on the Acer A500 Android tablet I have.
So... Yeah. Just thought you guys would wanna know. I'll look into more devices. I know Honeycomb supported all kinds of USB devices (hub, flash drive, mouse, keyboard) so I'm a little surprised the flash drive didn't work. I'll let you know if I find anything else out. Might just be a driver issue we can work out with custom ROMS. Obviously the communications is working since the mouse works. It could be a power draw issue. I have a USB power meter and the mouse draws 20ma. The flash drive that doesn't work draws 60ma.
-Taylor
UPDATE: Works great with a device we are developing at work (basically a USB hub and FTDI chip combo board if that means anything to ya). It draws about 62ma, so the flash drive issue must not be due to power draw.
UPDATE 2: Rooted users can easily mount flash drives using the app StickMount in the market - its very clean and works well! Thanks to user [esoomenona] for the suggestion.
For who lives outside the USA, buy this with international free shipping: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/usb-fe...a-cable-for-samsung-i9100-galaxy-s2-5cm-67186
The only cons is that can take a while to arrive.
Would something like This work?
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Would something like This work?
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http://www.dealextreme.com/p/micro-usb-on-the-go-host-otg-adapter-pair-50774
Do you get a cursor if you plug in a mouse?
Thank you I was looking for something like this. Finding the right cable on Amazon is like a needle in a hay stack.
For $5 i'll give it a try. Thanks!
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Would something like This work?
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Actually it looks like no. One of the reviews points out its not a USB OTG (On the go) adapter. USB On the go is a USB port that can act either as a device (plug it into your computer) or as a host (plug in a mouse, etc). In order to tell the phone which mode to be in, USB OTG connectors need to have one of the pins hooked up to ground. Unfortunately not all of these adapters do (I have no idea what they're good for if they don't) and it looks like that one doesn't. But someone linked to the one on DealExtreme that might work.
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Do you get a cursor if you plug in a mouse?
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Sure do! Its pretty nifty.
Pacifik said:
Thank you I was looking for something like this. Finding the right cable on Amazon is like a needle in a hay stack.
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Eh I just found a cheap one that looked ok and said it worked with some Samsung devices. I'm also happy its right angle, as its more pocketable. But glad to help!
-Taylor
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG-2-0-Adapter/dp/B005QX7KYU/ref=pd_cp_cps_1
Here's a cheaper one.
I would prefer this over a one piece, as I am worried about bending the micro usb port.
wonshikee said:
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG-2-0-Adapter/dp/B005QX7KYU/ref=pd_cp_cps_1
Here's a cheaper one.
I would prefer this over a one piece, as I am worried about bending the micro usb port.
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Cool. Not Amazon Prime though. Its got free shipping but it would probably take a while. I ordered mine friday and got it yesterday (monday).
wonshikee said:
http://www.amazon.com/Micro-USB-OTG-2-0-Adapter/dp/B005QX7KYU/ref=pd_cp_cps_1
Here's a cheaper one.
I would prefer this over a one piece, as I am worried about bending the micro usb port.
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Shoot, I paid a little over four bucks for that same one from the same company, on Newegg. I should've looked at Amazon as well. Oh well...
Okay, so I received the cable I stated above, and tried to plug in a microSD card via USB adapter, and it didn't work. After a bit of googling, I've come to think of two options for why it doesn't:
1. The cable doesn't work
2. The OS doesn't seem to mount them automatically. I found an app called StickMount on the Market, but it requires root, and I haven't rooted yet.
Anyone know anything about this?
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Okay, so I received the cable I stated above, and tried to plug in a microSD card via USB adapter, and it didn't work. After a bit of googling, I've come to think of two options for why it doesn't:
1. The cable doesn't work
2. The OS doesn't seem to mount them automatically. I found an app called StickMount on the Market, but it requires root, and I haven't rooted yet.
Anyone know anything about this?
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Well I mentioned in the first post that USB flash drives don't work. A card reader is going to have the same issue, as they're basically the same. I think its related to the phone not having its own microSD card, and so it lacks the drivers to mount storage properly. Which still seems silly to me if the device has USB host support, they should include those things!
Plug in a mouse. If a mouse works, the cable is fine.
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Okay, so I received the cable I stated above, and tried to plug in a microSD card via USB adapter, and it didn't work. After a bit of googling, I've come to think of two options for why it doesn't:
1. The cable doesn't work
2. The OS doesn't seem to mount them automatically. I found an app called StickMount on the Market, but it requires root, and I haven't rooted yet.
Anyone know anything about this?
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I honestly think this is going to be it...because of internal storage it doesn't come with the native ability to detect external storage. I'd imagine that app would allow it or that it'll get pushed out as an update down the road...maybe a MOD will get made too if it takes too long.
Either way, when mine comes *crosses fingers for tomorrow* I'll be rooting and post back the results.
Oh damn, StickMount works! Plug in a USB drive and stickmount will pop up asking to run. Then it mounts the drive and my file browser sees it. Then you unmount the drive before unplugging. Wish it was native but this is pretty damn simple. Thanks for finding it!
I was a bit skeptical since the USB drive doesn't even light up when you first plug it in, but once you run stickmount its all good!
Go ahead and root that thing! Just note rooting will erase the phone, so back up first!
I had a Micro USB to USB female for my Nook Color for UBS host. Tried it. Worked like a charm. It even drew enough to power a hub, the keyboard, and the mouse. I was shocked. Im going to but a splitter and use a MHL out to HDMI for 1080 goodness.
Got mine on Amazon for $1.46. Works well (I just wish it was a cable and not a plug though(.
I'll have to see how this works out, ordered the cable.
I have an externally powered USB hub that I can plug into the USB OTG cable.
This is great, I've been looking for these cables. Thanks!
Edit: Does anyone have any idea if you can use an MHL adapter for HDMI at the same time as one of these? I see that some MHL adapters have charging ports, but I don't know if they support data.
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Im going to buy a splitter and use a MHL out to HDMI for 1080 goodness.
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Using MHL through a splitter won't work based on how MHL works. You either get USB or MHL. MHL does not use USB-compatible signaling.
Alright, I typed this with a mouse and it's slow, but cool. Guess it's time to root. See you on the other side.
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I have been trying to use some flash drives as external storage however I ran into some trouble.
1. First of all without rooting and getting a kernel or something (which I cannot do as my phone is sim and bootloader locked to o2 right now) it can only read FAT32 formatted drives rather than NTFS.
This means I have to either split >4gb files into two smaller pieces or re-encode. I don't like re-encoding because of the great hdmi output so why not carry full blu-ray rips
2. Does anybody know the power output of the USB port in the Xperia S? Is it something like 100ma or less? As you can see from my photos below here are my tests,
Sony 16gb Micro Vault Click USM-L (pink)...........works fine.
Sony 16gb Micro Vault Click USM-P (black)...........works fine.
Verbatim Stor N Go 32GB Micro USB (tiny one)..........USB Power Consumption Error
I don't like the fact that it is hit and miss when choosing drives and don't always want to carry around a powered USB hub or a Sony Ericsson Livedock instead of the tiny drives and the lightweight micro usb->female usb cable.
Its meant to be "USB On-the-go" not "USB can't go because my arms are tired and bag is full"
There is NO information on either Sony's nor Verbatim's website regarding the power consumption of their flash drives.
Any suggestion's?
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did you try to conncet wireless keyboard ?
did you buy any in particular ?
i have already order this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320739400862&ssPageName=ADME:L:OU:GB:1123
i hope will work. will it?
hi i also bought a cheapy one from ebay and its perfectly fine
yes usb keyboard and mouse works fine, tried logitech k800 with unifying receiver and also tried microsoft keyboard and mouse desktop combo with big ass usb receiver. i have not tried bluetooth yet but that would be preferable to me because it will take one less port.
i would also like to hear about the livedock or if anyone has made a a simple y cable with "micro usb male" (to go into phone) split into "female usb" (for usb device) and "female microusb" (for charging input).
In fact why not go the whole kaboodle
A. Keyboard & Mouse & Headset & Phonejoy controller & Smartwatch : simultaneous Bluetooth
B. Flash Drive or USB Hub with multiple drives: Micro USB to USB adapter
C. TVOUT : HDMI
D. Charging : Female Micro USB input from same spliiter cable as B
now its a full desktop, NES, SNES, whatever all controlled by any of the above and the damn thing is the size of your hand
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Basically does something like this exist?
This cable should in theory have the same functionality of the bulky livedock?
I was thinkink about same thing: y cable, so we were able to access flash drive (memory card) along with charging the phone. But i think it is not possible with JUST a cable. I think it is possible with live dock, but live dock probably got some sort of electronic curcuit board which controls flash drive and charging at the same time. Unless you would buy live dock for other phone (P in example), take curcuit board out and do DIY.
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That all sounds really cool to experiment with, but thats alot of gear to cart around... wouldn't it be easier just to buy say a PSP(homebrew) or perhaps a PSvita? Emulation is wasted on a touch screen.
The kernel mods in the dev section have already enabled ntfs fs reading amongst other things, you could flash these right now or the first roms will probably have this soon which should help you out quite a bit.
I bought the livedock for the XPS hoping it would work for usb charging via computer, it does not; a Y cable is a good idea tho... unfortunately the dock just does not suit the XPS at all, does not sit correctly, u have to lean the dock usb connector on the ground for the whole setup to be "somewhat" stable and just looks silly, not to mention unsafe.
Those clove youtube vids area bit of a con imo.
-smc
Does anybody know where we can buy the original Sony Ericsson USB OTG? Also, does anyone know the part number? I do not want to use any other brands. Hope someone could help
Any reason why? You can buy it of ebay for just a couple of pounds and is working fine.
I connected Logitech RumblePad to my xperia S (Using some samsung USB adapter)- including vibrations, so i think power output is pretty ok.
somemadcaaant said:
That all sounds really cool to experiment with, but thats alot of gear to cart around... wouldn't it be easier just to buy say a PSP(homebrew) or perhaps a PSvita? Emulation is wasted on a touch screen.
The kernel mods in the dev section have already enabled ntfs fs reading amongst other things, you could flash these right now or the first roms will probably have this soon which should help you out quite a bit.
I bought the livedock for the XPS hoping it would work for usb charging via computer, it does not; a Y cable is a good idea tho... unfortunately the dock just does not suit the XPS at all, does not sit correctly, u have to lean the dock usb connector on the ground for the whole setup to be "somewhat" stable and just looks silly, not to mention unsafe.
Those clove youtube vids area bit of a con imo.
-smc
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hi it wouldn't be too much to carry around, consider having a phone and a vita and a laptop? at what cost. you'll still always need at least 2 devices, you phone and another. now you can have all three from one nice looking device and can take each accessory when required. ie all three to a hotel, just the keyboard for working on, just the gamepad when you feel like it. check out the freedom pro keyboard (better than a laptop's) or the phonejoy for a full vita beating experience (comfort wise - wireless on big screen anywhere)
and minimising what we need to carry is the whole point of finding if such a y cable works because then we don't have the added bulk of the Livedock...
thanks for your review of the livedock, even more reason to want that cable! I cant believe there is no grip, i wouldn't have been able to assume that from the Clove videos. its a bit silly that the Xperia P has the new smartdock but because they put our ports on opposite sides we can't use it
i noticed the devs have a kernel for ntfs compatibility but i cant use it as i havent even received my sim unlock code from my network let alone finding out if my locked bootloader can be unlocked after this. plus ive just discovered how bad the yellow tint issue is on my phone, so its a bit of a wait for me!
ergo14 said:
I connected Logitech RumblePad to my xperia S (Using some samsung USB adapter)- including vibrations, so i think power output is pretty ok.
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yeah but i don't think the wireless receiver for the rumblepad takes up as much power as constant reading from and powering a flash drive would. the wireless receiver doesn't need much compared to that and the controller itself has its own battery
nevertheless you could be right in suggesting that the power output is ok as it powers some but not all drives, so if its not power output then there is some other reason for the compatibility issue with each usb device... so we should do a list of what drives work and which dont
Hi
just want to know if this will work with the Xperia S
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310371255484?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
I asked the seller but he says its only compatiable with nokia as it a nokia branded cable but surle all these cable are the same as any generic ones as they use the same connections?
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Hi
just want to know if this will work with the Xperia S
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/310371255484?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649
I asked the seller but he says its only compatiable with nokia as it a nokia branded cable but surle all these cable are the same as any generic ones as they use the same connections?
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it looks like this cable will work perfectly fine, just branded and looks pretty nice actually. however id be weary of choosing this when there are right angled micro usbs on some adapters...these are more practical in my opinion after having used my similarly priced generic ebay otg cable and also the standard charger cable that comes with the phone
i bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290680019...id=m570.l2736&_nkw=290680019654&_fvi=1&_rdc=1
but if you want your one, here it is for 30p cheaper
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-N..._MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item4601d26b4b
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yeah but i don't think the wireless receiver for the rumblepad takes up as much power as constant reading from and powering a flash drive would. the wireless receiver doesn't need much compared to that and the controller itself has its own battery
nevertheless you could be right in suggesting that the power output is ok as it powers some but not all drives, so if its not power output then there is some other reason for the compatibility issue with each usb device... so we should do a list of what drives work and which dont
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I'ts normal usb connected pad I'ts NOT wireless at any rate
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I'ts normal usb connected pad I'ts NOT wireless at any rate
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wow confirms the plenty of power theory then, does it rumble and everything all powered by the phone?
Understood.
Yeah i'm a huge fan of mobile docks, they screwed us over regarding that i reckon, bad bad port locations...
Sorry to hear about your yellow tint issue, what a pain in the arse, reminds me like some kind of sun damage i've seen on other devices before left on the car dash for an hr.
-smc
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wow confirms the plenty of power theory then, does it rumble and everything all powered by the phone?
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Yes it does, i had to connect it 2 times, at first phone said it takes too much power, but on 2nd time, it worked fine, and yes it did rumble when i pressed vibration button on it ;-)
willusdun said:
it looks like this cable will work perfectly fine, just branded and looks pretty nice actually. however id be weary of choosing this when there are right angled micro usbs on some adapters...these are more practical in my opinion after having used my similarly priced generic ebay otg cable and also the standard charger cable that comes with the phone
i bought this one
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290680019...id=m570.l2736&_nkw=290680019654&_fvi=1&_rdc=1
but if you want your one, here it is for 30p cheaper
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GENUINE-N..._MobilePhoneDataCables_JN&hash=item4601d26b4b
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I know the right angled ones will be better, but i just love the build quilty of the Nokia one so will probably give it a try.
To anyone interested in OTG cables:
Guys, the Nokia OTG cable works just fine and is VERY good quality and very common anywhere (quite cheap as well).
Tested by me. Already connected my 16GB Ultra Speed Transcend USB drive and works fine.
I've been using OTG since day 1 when i got the unit - like the OP says, the power consumption of the USB port for devices are hit-and-miss.
Some usb drives works great, some consumes too much power and cannot be powered on; so far, my wireless keyboard+touchpad set (rapoo) works great.
Has anyone connected their Galaxy S III up to a Motorola Atrix Lapdock?
If I remember well, the Motorola lapdock uses a HDMI plug to connect with the Atrix.
GS3 doesn't have one, you should get a MHL/HDMI convertor. Don't know if it'll work as a native HDMI plug will do.
If someone have both, it could be intereting to see if that work
So I'm going to dust this thread off a bit because this is the project I'm looking to work on -
I've ordered an Atrix Lapdock for my Bionic (very simple mod to dock the bionic) but as my personal phone is an S3, I'd like to use the lapdock with it primarily while still having the option to dock the bionic while on the go (I carry both phones). (While I'm at it, I'll probably look to get an hdmi micro extension cable and usb-micro-male to usb-A-male extension and try and use the lapdock as the base station for the Samsung Slate 7 PC i barely use since the interface is so poor)
Here's what I've gathered by reading various threads.
Lapdock:
The Lapdock will work with any HDMI source as seen in other threads (ie connecting to a PS3 via hdmi female micro to hdmi male standard adapter, $4 part from dealextreme). Others have posted how they can use the lapdock as a self powered hdmi external monitor with their laptop (very cool usage btw considering it's size)
Droid Bionic:
easily docks to the Atrix version of the lapdock by simply rotating the hdmi/micro usb connectors 180degrees in their sockets since they're piped in with short cables.
Galaxy SIII / S3 (mine is the T999):
here's where it gets tricky.
As I've gathered about the 11pin micro usb port (on the S3 and shared by the Note 2):
the original 5 pin MHL standard was ditched in favor of the 11pin MHL type connection. this in theory would allow the use of hdmi output with simultaneous usb otg and charging capabilities.
reviewing this thread here: (showthread.php?t=1953061&page=2) one can see that an OTG cable was modded with a simple resistor to allow for charging - member triff (the OP) was able to get this going and noted the log he got when the cable was plugged in reported 'hdmi fail' which leans to failing to initiate an hdmi connection... later in the thread member MRBR7 alludes to having an hdd running to view while charging on the OTG cable - his post is a bit vague as to whether he did the mod on an OTG cable or an HDMI cable.... i'll have to follow up.
finally, the posts in this thread (first 12 pages are a quick read showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12) provide resistor values and some close ups of the boards for the 11 to 5 pin adapter as well as what I thought was a list of pins for the 5 pin MHL.
I'm really trying to be purposefully clear in this thread as to my findings because it seems there are too many vague threads out there regarding the functionality; simply missing a letter or punctuation in a thread can turn a sure thing into a vague post...
another avenue is the official samsung galaxy note 2 "smart dock" which has 3 usb ports, in additon to an hdmi output and charging input - since this is sold out in the US (and due to PAL vs NTSC Standard I am hesitant to order from germany) it'll be a while before I can personally buy and test one (unless i can find one locally somehow). this seems like the best bet for a dock which can be hacked or adapted to interface the s3 with the lapdock.
my ideal final outcome of this thread would be to have a small cable or interface box which i can plug into the s3 to enable hdmi output + usb otg + charging. that trifecta would connect via a single micro-usb to the device (11 pin) and have an output of a female usb (A or micro, either can be adapted) and either a male or female standard hdmi (again, both of which can be adapted). this cable could enable the phone to be used as an impromptu desktop, carputer, lapdock brain etc...
Lapdock software required...
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What do you mean by that?
The Atrix Lapdock is internally nothing but an 1366x768 HDMI LCD monitor with (rather poor) speakers and an USB-Hub on which a keyboard/touchpad and two free USB-ports are connected to. The monitor and the USB-hub have to be simply attached to any device which supports HDMI-output and USB-OTG via (slightly uncommon) HDMI- and USB-OTG-plugs.
There is no software running on the Lapdock (it is actually completely dumb) and there is no need for any specific SW on the connected device (might be nice to have something like webtop running but it is not necessary).
The S3 works flawlessly with the keyboard/touchpad/USB-hub using a USB-OTG-Adapter and with the HDMI-monitor via an MHL/HDMI adapter cable. The tricky part is only to get both simultaneously and possibly even charge the S3 from the Lapdock. For that purpose I use as long as there is no combined MHL-HDMI/USB-OTG-adapter/dock available (as described in the thread and page already indicated above: showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12 ) the allshare cast dongle and a cheap OTG adapter. You can use office apps, watch videos, play games etc. without any problem. You can check out
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to see how that looks like...
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What do you mean by that?
The Atrix Lapdock is internally nothing but an 1366x768 HDMI LCD monitor with (rather poor) speakers and an USB-Hub on which a keyboard/touchpad and two free USB-ports are connected to. The monitor and the USB-hub have to be simply attached to any device which supports HDMI-output and USB-OTG via (slightly uncommon) HDMI- and USB-OTG-plugs.
There is no software running on the Lapdock (it is actually completely dumb) and there is no need for any specific SW on the connected device (might be nice to have something like webtop running but it is not necessary).
The S3 works flawlessly with the keyboard/touchpad/USB-hub using a USB-OTG-Adapter and with the HDMI-monitor via an MHL/HDMI adapter cable. The tricky part is only to get both simultaneously and possibly even charge the S3 from the Lapdock. For that purpose I use as long as there is no combined MHL-HDMI/USB-OTG-adapter/dock available (as described in the thread and page already indicated above: showthread.php?t=1741583&page=12 ) the allshare cast dongle and a cheap OTG adapter. You can use office apps, watch videos, play games etc. without any problem. You can check out
ecx . images-amazon . com/images/I/712%2BAbT1u3L.png
(no links for me yet)
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Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
xManMythLegend said:
Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
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Well, I got the Lapdock for less than 70 Euros and I think that is really great value since it is very well build and versatile... the allshare cast dongle is a bit overpriced (currently it is about 55Euros here) for an adapter-replacement but if you need it for different use cases (I mainly have it for a small LED-beamer) it might be worth it.
You can charge the S3 from one of the USB-ports of the Lapdock using a micro-USB cable (as long as the dongle or any other device is connected to the Lapdocks HDMI-plug - that is what signals the Lapdock to power up), but you can not simultaneously use the MHL/USB-OTG then. So it is nice for watching movies from your S3 on the Lapdock-screen (btw. the sound works fine as well) while re-charging the S3 but for "office" work with kb/touchpad you have to replug the OTG-cable. Actually I'm quite impressed with the relatively low power consumption of the allshare cast connection - so that is not a real problem IMHO. There might be people out there to solder the right resistors into OTG-adapter cables to allow both...
One disadvantage is obviously that you have this "bulky" (it is actually lightweight but still bigger than a simple adapter) dongle on the Lapdock. The big advantage over a dock is that you can more or less freely move around the S3 while using this combination.
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Lapdock software required...
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you obviously don't know anything about the lapdock, so please, hang around, do some searching and learn about what it is before posting vague comments that ruin the integrity of a factual thread.
xManMythLegend said:
Interesting..especially for the 89$ price tag. Long as one can deal with S3 not charging its a simple setup no ?
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google 'bens outlet' (a 1saleaday company) and you can pick one up for as little as $50usd! assuming it actually ships out, but worth it for a spare monitor project at the very least... - and yes, not a hard setup at all - the first use in my mind would be just to have a full size screen on the go, however to have a cable capable of mhl/hdmi + usb otg + charging would turn the dock into a powerhouse android laptop using 4g internet etc... (it'll give the chromebook a run for it's money)
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the allshare cast dongle is a bit overpriced (currently it is about 55Euros here) for an adapter-replacement but if you need it for different use cases (I mainly have it for a small LED-beamer) it might be worth it.
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what's this LED beamer? (i'm just intrigued)
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You can charge the S3 from one of the USB-ports of the Lapdock using a micro-USB cable (as long as the dongle or any other device is connected to the Lapdocks HDMI-plug - that is what signals the Lapdock to power up), but you can not simultaneously use the MHL/USB-OTG then. So it is nice for watching movies from your S3 on the Lapdock-screen (btw. the sound works fine as well) while re-charging the S3 but for "office" work with kb/touchpad you have to replug the OTG-cable. Actually I'm quite impressed with the relatively low power consumption of the allshare cast connection - so that is not a real problem IMHO. There might be people out there to solder the right resistors into OTG-adapter cables to allow both...
One disadvantage is obviously that you have this "bulky" (it is actually lightweight but still bigger than a simple adapter) dongle on the Lapdock. The big advantage over a dock is that you can more or less freely move around the S3 while using this combination.
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all very cool - I'm thinking of ordering the allshare dongle just to try this out until the smartdock gets back in stock to hack it apart .. I'll probably order an 11pin mhl in the meantime too. I have a 5pin mhl, not sure what I can do with it without the adapter (i'll probably bundle it with my galaxy nexus and sell it all)
@a32: on a side note, i broke down and bought a Note 2 yesterday haha, so I'll probably be continuing this project with the Note2, (tmo just happened to have some in stock haha) I'm putting my week old S3 up for sale soon, but this project is still on my radar!
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The S3 would need the lapdock .apk for certain functionality... calm down, I've owned enough Motorola Android devices to know what I'm saying...
Thats all... Ben's Outlet would be good plus All4Cellular sells it with the extenders...
Its out of stock now but you can get the extenders separately at a hefty price:
www.all4cellular.com/motorola-atrix-4g-laptop-dock-hdmi-upgrade-kit.html
The hefty priced cables are below, but it is worth the cost:
www.all4cellular.com/motorola-atrix-4g-upgrade-kit.html
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The S3 would need the lapdock .apk for certain functionality... calm down, I've owned enough Motorola Android devices to know what I'm saying...
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Sorry to snap, but if you've been on enough forums, you begin to notice that comments like yours are just add to confusion when unsubstantiated.
Any phone without a 'web top' mode or apk would obviously not work similar to the webtop mode that Motorola intended, however it'll still work, perfectly in fact, because this connection project is akin to hooking up your phone to a tv or monitor and using a usb mouse and keyboard to control it, albeit it's portable, like the padphone.
If you have any ideas as to how one could hookup both mhl/hdmi and usb/otg with charging I'm all ears (the real breakthrough would easily be seeing a US version T999 or similar running with the Smart Dock for the Note 2
Another thought to throw out there is whether this finished product could look similar to the padphone concept: a pocket for the phone to slip into, docking connector inside, basically self contained
As for those extension cables posted, places like monoprice and dealextreme have much better prices and selection, granted I'm just going those links on my phone - i don't understand how those are considered 'adapters' when all they do is extend the port
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Silly question but why would you need software when your using it as a monitor, keyboard, mouse, usb hub & charging?
djashjones said:
Silly question but why would you need software when your using it as a monitor, keyboard, mouse, usb hub & charging?
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You don't.
... that's what we posted already. The webtop SW on some Motorola devices starts a specific desktop and window-manager on your phone when connecting to the lapdock. It may facilitate the use of the apps on the phone via the Lapdock (resolution/size/... of apps in windows etc.) but you do not need it to work with the S3 on the Lapdock.
awesome! im very tempted to get one but in the UK they are still expensive
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what's this LED beamer? (i'm just intrigued)
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A bit off-topic: It is an ACER C20 I own for nearly 2 years now. Like this one:
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It is out of stock anyway, but I could "partly" recommend it:
It has the size of a phone, a built-in battery and - most important - lots of inputs (mini HDMI (HDCP), D-Sub (24-pin Universal), Composite Video/Audio (2.5mm 4-pin mini jack), micro USB (Typ AB), micro SD Card (SDHC)) + Audio out & speaker. It plays media from internal storage/SD card but that internal media-player is crap. It is however extremely mobile and together with movie players on modern phones like the S3+cast-dongle - or any tablet with HDMI-out or a device with Composite A/V out (e.g. old Nokias) - a nice device e.g. to entertain kids on travel or showing pictures while visiting the grandparents or alike. On the other hand, it is not really bright at all (actually you have to be in a very, very dark room to use larger screen areas) and the battery lasts often only 1/2 hour (but you can charge it with 5V from USBs or use it while on the mains adapter).
It works really nice with the S3 + allshare cast dongle (that's what I bought the dongle for in the first place), has a descent image quality (848x480 pixel) and accepts up to 1080i HD over HDMI as input signal for downscaling but for the dongle the input is of course limited 720p. It does NOT work with the S3 using the cheap (chinese) USB-MHL/HDMI-adapter with the long red cables (somewhere discussed here as well) since that one provides 1080p30Hz (at least to my TV - on which it works) and the projector obviously can't sync to that.
Back to the topic: that cheap HDMI-adapter for S3 works not very well with the Atrix Lapdock; you get an image but it is vertically squeezed. Again: the Lapdock and the S3 + cast dongle go together extremely well.
That led projector sounds pretty cool, I've waffle'd on buying one various times but can't say I've had a particular need other than for the fun of it hah
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Back to the topic: that cheap HDMI-adapter for S3 works not very well with the Atrix Lapdock; you get an image but it is vertically squeezed. Again: the Lapdock and the S3 + cast dongle go together extremely well.
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So I'm guessing you've tested this, but with the hdmi cable and the screen rotation turned on, the device still shows up in portrait? Unless I'm reading that wrong and you mean it's width wise video but looks like a 4:3 video on a 16:9 widescreen?
I wonder if that behavior is present with the official adapter...
So to return to the method of the allshare dongle, does it look like image 1 as i posted?
I recall you mentioned the dongle's hdmi signal is what triggers the docks micro usb port for kb/mouse control and charging, so for clarity i drew the wiring method up.
The next two wiring diagrams are what I'd expect to do as i finalize what the connection should/could look like...
I'm always in for feedback on streamlining the connections - the simple yet two part method will be just having the official smart dock, assuming it works with the s3, powered with one usb port, hdmi to hdmi mini and usb micro to the usb port, though maybe modify the output to delete charging power from the kb/m micro usb port...
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I recall you mentioned the dongle's hdmi signal is what triggers the docks micro usb port for kb/mouse control and charging, so for clarity i drew the wiring method up.
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Sorry, don't have much time and will have a look at your drawings later... The presence(!) of a device connected to the HDMI is detected by checking for a "Ground"-connection of one of the HDMI-pins (from googling I remember it to be HDMI-DDC/CEC) - that's what powers up the Lapdock (and activates the USB-Ports). No need for an already powered device on that HDMI port. The problem is however that there are many HDMI adapters/extension cables out there which do not pass that specific wire/connection and then the Lapdock will not react when using those. There is however no need to buy these overexpensive Motorola cable sets (those prices are unbelievable!)... my adapters & cables cost in total about 9 Euros.
+5V on the OTG-USB cable from the peripheral device (=Lapdock) to the host is not "liked" by most hosts (the S3 did not really react on it but it is probably not a good idea anyhow) so I cut the 5V red wire of the micro-USB(female)-to-micro-USB(male)-cable. On the latter you need something to signal the S3 the OTG mode (pin 4 grounded to 5). I do that quite stupidly using additional USB->OTG-adapters but you would have to take care of that in your MHL/OTC combi adapter with resistors etc. anyhow.
The "chinese" Adapter is vertically squeezed. The S3 goes into the correct HDMI-out mode including the (stock) homescreen to be usable in landscape mode - that is not a problem. Probably the 1080p30Hz mode is not well understood by the Lapdock and/or the adapter does not correctly "negotiate" the right resolution-/display ratio with the display or the quality of the sync signal from the adapter is really bad. That chinese adapter is not too bad for Full-HD TV sets but unusable for anything else. I did not try the official one. The Lapdock works however well with the dongle.
This info is much appreciated. I took the dive and ordered a lapdock from bensoutlet.com for $50 to play with. The regular one is $60 - but the keyboard that adds Hebrew letters was $10 cheaper. I figure the lettering doesn't hurt anything so I'd rather save the $10.
If anybody figures out how to simplify the connections, or perhaps someday enable MHL out + USB host with this thing - please post back.
Right now - I spent an additional $6 on dealextreme.com to get a microHDMI (female) to HDMI male adapter, and a micro usb female to male adapter so I can try to use the keyboard.
The result is going to be pretty cluttered, but I figure $50 is cheap for a portable, self powered HDMI monitor that could also power stuff from it's ports.
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Your drawing No 1 is what I use (see below). No 2 is how it should be indeed (but where is the "modded cable" coming from?). While No 3 will not help you since only the presence of a shortened HDMI-CEC pin (+ opening the display a bit) will power ALL the USB-ports including U1+U2 (that activity mode of the Lapdock is indicated by a small white LED next to the touchpad) - so there is no "pre-power" available. But (again) anything that provides that ground contact on the HDMI-plug will do the trick... I actually have one 90degree HDMI-adapter (don't know how to call it in English), which does exactly that and shortens those pin(s) and simulates to the Lapdock the presence of a device (I assume that is NOT on purpose but it works with a second, identical adapter as well). Don't take me wrong you do not need that one if you conect a device (any) directly to the microHDMI-to-HDMI adapter but it is needed when you use HDMI extension cables (etc.) that do not pass all wires to the HDMI device.
I attached some pics how I wire that thing. Pic 1: the micro HDMI plug on the Lapdock is turned by me by 180deg just to make a bit more room for the microHDMI(fem)toHDMI(male)-adapter. You may directly attach the dongle to it (it is relatively stable and easy to carry around - pic 2). That's what one could call "entertainment mode" since you may want to watch videos etc. this way. But than you have not enough space for the microUSB-cable for kb/mouse. That is what I use the 90deg-adapter for. This adapter alone signals already the Lapdock to power up (no other HDMI-cable or adapter I own does this). Back to pic 1: The microUSB(fem)-to-microUSB(male)-cable has the red 5V wire cut. The microUSB-to-USB + USB-microUSB-OTG(!) adapter is there only to signal the OTG-host mode for the S3. The stuff on the right are things you may use on the free USB-port.
That strange device with the mobile speaker attached to its headphone jack has to be explained: it is a (5 Euro) "USB sound card". That is a bit odd... the Lapdock has stereo speakers which are working well (but not great) and the audio-output via HDMI(cast) to the Lapdock works perfectly (sound is ok and in sync when watching videos & you can control volume etc. from the S3 or the Lapdock keyboard) but the allshare cast SW on the S3 does not allow you to plug in a headphone or connect a bluetooth audio-device to the S3 for output of the video(!)-sound. You can use headphones for mp3-player music while using an HDMI display etc. but when you switch on a video you have to remove headphones otherwise the allshare connection stops. There might be two reasons 1: HDCP, 2: there is a small lag in video display from the wireless transfer protocol and the audio stream is equally lagged on purpose to be well in sync with the video stream. You may want to bypass that artificial restriction because the Lapdock has NO headphone jack ... and you can by using such a "soundcard" which is fully supported by the S3 but the sound is then indeed a bit "in advance" of the video stream.
Less exotic devices you can attach are external disks/pen drives or even game controllers (all of them work)... Pic 3 shows you how I wire it for "productivity mode"
P0ll0L0c0 said:
This info is much appreciated. I took the dive and ordered a lapdock from bensoutlet.com for $50 to play with.
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Thank you. 50$ ! When they are as cheap go and get some (or better get many)! The Lapdock is really, really useful and works with many devices.
I originally bought it for the Raspberry Pi but I use it as well with an Archos A80G9 android tablet (not so often since the tablet is big enough anyhow) which has seperated (mini)HDMI and USB-OTG connectors (as it should have been done for all mobile devices including the S3) and used it for my "old" Nokia N8 (miniHDMI as well). In that case USB-OTG does not work since the N8 does not support USB hubs but you can chrge it and watch movies on the Lapdock display with it (in the train ...). The RasPi is powered via the same cable that is used for kb/mouse. In that cable I did obviously not cut the 5V wire. The power the Lapdock provides this way is sufficient to operate the RasPi (+ wifi dongle) ... about 1A is needed for that. So it should be possible to use that power via that OTG microUSB port for the S3 as well ...
What abot the EDD-S20E dock won´t that work with the lapdock ???
Problem is the dock is useless for my next device in 2 - 3 Years....
The allshare cast dongle might stay usefull even with the next gen of android phones....
I bought a original Samsung USB OTG Cable for my Samsung Galaxy S3 from online store ( shopsection.com ) , can anyone post tips and tricks about it.
according to my testing, Most of all USB devices can access
1- Amazing cable, it works perfect in Galaxy S II, Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note
2- Connect pendrive 2GB, 4GB, 8Gb, 16GB and access files , documents, songs, movies instant from your S3
3- Like to draw anything without C-Pen stylus? connect USB mouse and draw anything u want as like in computer mouse cursor
4- feeling touch to type on touch screen? connect USB keyboard via OTG cable and start typing SMS and Emails.
5- Does your friends running out of battery ?, connect their mobile with their usb data cable to OTG cable and get charged
6- Also if your friend give access for "Mass storage" access his files from his mobile phone
7- want to take instant printout from your S 3, connect printer USB to OTG cable and give a shot
Article from other websites about OTG cable,
- Remote Access your mobile using Data modem
- support PS3 controller
also if anyone has more tips and tricks for this OTG cable, kindly post it. so thrilled to enjoy its benefits.
I heard also Xbox 360 wired remotes work as well
I have a chinese non-oem OTG cable and works fine with pretty much every USB devide I have (usb memories, keyboard, mouse). I havent tried game remotes or a printer.
Not as amazing as the adapter Samsung will be releasing whenever they can be bothered because it will use the full 11 pins and allow MHL and other accessories simultaneously, but like always they take so long releasing accessories people just get pissed off while they waiting.
Yes Micheal 100% acceptable. only advantage for OTG cable was they launched long back after few months from Galaxy SII. But same cable we are using it for Galaxy Note and Galaxy SIII. But we are really worried for Flip Cover launch for SIII. it took nearly 2 weeks time from SIII mobile launch.
There are plenty of local manufacturers releasing case and covers and even OTG cable. only this guy has the original samsung OTG cable in India shopsection.com/item/USB_Host_OTG_Cable_for_Samsung_Galaxy_S_3 for sale with offer price.
Michael_P said:
Not as amazing as the adapter Samsung will be releasing whenever they can be bothered because it will use the full 11 pins and allow MHL and other accessories simultaneously, but like always they take so long releasing accessories people just get pissed off while they waiting.
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Another friend from Singapore told me, OTG cable used to connect medical equipment. not sure what it is.
is it possible to connect usb device to OTG and can we use hdmi port to display mobile screen USB host to TV ??? did anyone tried this?
fbloise said:
I heard also Xbox 360 wired remotes work as well
I have a chinese non-oem OTG cable and works fine with pretty much every USB devide I have (usb memories, keyboard, mouse). I havent tried game remotes or a printer.
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ananmetro said:
Another friend from Singapore told me, OTG cable used to connect medical equipment. not sure what it is.
is it possible to connect usb device to OTG and can we use hdmi port to display mobile screen USB host to TV ??? did anyone tried this?
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You need MHL cable to connect HDMI to Tv and you can't connect over Mass Storage mode to Tv, Car etc because Samsung in their wisdom decided not to include it, and I know iPhone has things like blood pressure and heart rate monitors you can connect but never heard of it on Android, but it's possible to create a driver to connect pretty much anything with a USB port to Android.
Bought this otg cable for cheaper rate in local market, it worked for 2 months but i could not connect my Sony Pendrive 8GB. any application needed to upgrade on my Note to support 8gb? can your post me the link whr u purchased samsung otg cable, how long u hv been using it? is that original with warranty?
all those tips tested by you?
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I bought a original Samsung USB OTG Cable for my Samsung Galaxy S3 from online store ( shopsection.com ) , can anyone post tips and tricks about it.
according to my testing, Most of all USB devices can access
1- Amazing cable, it works perfect in Galaxy S II, Galaxy S III and Galaxy Note
2- Connect pendrive 2GB, 4GB, 8Gb, 16GB and access files , documents, songs, movies instant from your S3
3- Like to draw anything without C-Pen stylus? connect USB mouse and draw anything u want as like in computer mouse cursor
4- feeling touch to type on touch screen? connect USB keyboard via OTG cable and start typing SMS and Emails.
5- Does your friends running out of battery ?, connect their mobile with their usb data cable to OTG cable and get charged
6- Also if your friend give access for "Mass storage" access his files from his mobile phone
7- want to take instant printout from your S 3, connect printer USB to OTG cable and give a shot
Article from other websites about OTG cable,
- Remote Access your mobile using Data modem
- support PS3 controller
also if anyone has more tips and tricks for this OTG cable, kindly post it. so thrilled to enjoy its benefits.
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I myself tested most of features and its working as i said. Not sure what is problem with your flashdrive, but mine everything works. format your memory card and test it again.
bought it from https://www.shopsection.com/item/USB_Host_OTG_Cable_for_Samsung_Galaxy_S_3
Its original samsung accessories and you get 6 months warranty. so you can claim if any issues after 2 months. I believe only these guys selling Samsung S3 original products like flip cover and stylus pen in India
https://www.shopsection.com/item/Flip_Cover_for_Samsung_Galaxy_S3_i9300_(Blue)
moyud said:
Bought this otg cable for cheaper rate in local market, it worked for 2 months but i could not connect my Sony Pendrive 8GB. any application needed to upgrade on my Note to support 8gb? can your post me the link whr u purchased samsung otg cable, how long u hv been using it? is that original with warranty?
all those tips tested by you?
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Um, how about these tips:
Super cool video JoyStick connectivity is really great....
NZtechfreak said:
Um, how about these tips:
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Can you buy any brand USB OTG cable and they will work?
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Can you buy any brand USB OTG cable and they will work?
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Wow 2nd post. Read much? :thumbdown:
fbloise said:
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I have a chinese non-oem OTG cable and works fine with pretty much every USB devide I have (usb memories, keyboard, mouse). I havent tried game remotes or a printer.
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Does anybody know if arduino is doing anything with this? It would be awesome if you could edit and upload arduino sketches using an android phone and an otg cable.
moyud said:
Bought this otg cable for cheaper rate in local market, it worked for 2 months but i could not connect my Sony Pendrive 8GB. any application needed to upgrade on my Note to support 8gb? can your post me the link whr u purchased samsung otg cable, how long u hv been using it? is that original with warranty?
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The first thing that you need to check is how your thumb drive is formatted. I haven't tried a thumb drive on my SIII yet but on Atrixs I've evaluated they could only interface with FAT thumb drives. NTFS wouldn't work. You should also try a different model of thumb drive, I don't know about the power requirements but it might just be too high.
USB On The Go cable awareness not upto the level. Samsung must advertise about their accessories too as like Nokia. OTG cable is really useful to access files instant. but i wonder why its only suitable for very few models and since Galaxy Y is also has update android firmware.
anybody tried OTG cable other than S III?
Anyone know if a 32GB flash drive would work with otg cable?
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Anyone know if a 32GB flash drive would work with otg cable?
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Yes.
Did anyone get external usb hard drive to work with otg cable on the same three. I have tried but it does not work for me, both 2.5&3.5
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Did anyone get external usb hard drive to work with otg cable on the same three. I have tried but it does not work for me, both 2.5&3.5
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I think the external hard drives will only work if you use a usb port multiplier with a external power source. Dont quote me on that though!
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I think the external hard drives will only work if you use a usb port multiplier with a external power source. Dont quote me on that though!
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I have actually try plugin my external hard drive with 2 headed USB cable, one connects to the USB OTG cable, one end connects to a USB port for power, and it still doesn't work.
It would be nice if it would work though.