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Facebook and Twitter is the only way to speed up unlocked bootloader process guys. You want publicity, not private conversation. So it's quite pointless emailing htc, we had a win, now we need to make sure that potential customers are aware that HTC is taking it's time in keeping their word, so they hold back on the purchase. If sales figures drop, HTC will pull the finger out and will HAVE to do something about it. PUBLICITY. REPUTATION. SALES. That's what we need to address. Make sure that you mention that even average Joe which doesn't want root can be affected, as if company doesn't keep up to promises, they do it to EVERYONE. Mention that they lied about Desire getting GB (well, calling it lie is exaggerating a bit, but we want to make it look bad, and I hope you heard the news), so average Joe can't expect to have his HTC phone to be up to date for the whole length of the contract (normally 24month in UK). Make customers think before buying, even if takes only one week for all the customers to decide, HTC will definitely notice it, and will realize what sort of impact small group of unhappy customers can cause.
Also, as a lot of us hang out in other forums (i still pop in to Desire forum now and again), i suppose we could start threads there with links to this one, or just quoting it, so we get a lot more people to help us (we are a small group of Sensation owners in the end of the day). I do believe that even Sammy, LG, MOTO etc. owners will be sympathetic to our cause and will help us to become louder.
THANKS LADS.
Erm... I got lost somewhere in this but from your first sentence, HTC are unlocking their bootloaders. I don't get what this whole thing is about.
Yeah, I don't get this either. Are you asking for Unlocked Bootloaders like Meaple suggested? If so you are about a month behind. Already been announced. If not, I'm lost.
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I'm a very patient person. I did wait for unlocked bootloader quietly, but seeing how HTC is messing about with us ( GB update for desire ) I lost all the trust in them. So my thought is to put as much pressure on HTC as we can, or they will assume we forgot about it and will let it go on and on and on.... My 2c.
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It's been mentioned, not announced. I believe announcement involves ETA.
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Sensation will probably get an unlocked bootloader with the next (bigish?) update.
Same with Flyer perhaps if that is locked?
other devices will probably not be updated unless there's another big update - as it stands the people that were threatening to leave to SGS2 were the ones targeting the sensation and sensations bootloader - with all the rooting abilities in the wild at the moment - what's the point of changing the rules and playing field? just leave them be to use unrevoked and alpharev etc. ?
Personally I'm thinking that I'm happy with the thoughts of an eventual unlocked bootloader policy, open source for sense bits, and a possible update to the desire, (being the last update we'll see!)
Anyone get the feeling that sometimes if you ask for too much in one go you get nothing at all?
I completely understand what you are saying Lothaen. I had same opinion untill i heard about all that Desire GB business. It confused me a lot. What was the point? Anyway, while i'm a big htc fan, all i've seen from them so far is just talk. I do understand that releasing updates takes time, but i feel if they actually were in the process of doing it, at least they could release an explanation of how they are planning to do it, and why it will take some time. See, some communication does wonders sometimes. At the moment to me it looks like a dad/mum who can't be bothered to explain things to the child sort of a conversation.
Customer: i'm not happy, i want unlocked bootloader,
HTC: you can't have it
Customer: tantrum on the floor
HTC: ok you can have it ("just shut up")
Customer: any idea when please?
HTC: you'll have it....
Customer: i want my GB update for a Desire too, you promised
HTC: no, you are not having it ("not bothered to make an effort")
Customer: tantrum on the floor
HTC: ok ok ok, have it
Customer: but when?
HTC: you'll have it.....
Don't really mind about Desire, as it's unlocked so we can do whatever we want to it, but a lot of customers are not rooted, so they are stuck.
No company explains things. They can have a road map or what ever it's called but that's about it. You can ask them personally when stuff will get released but you will get "soon". That's how it is and always will be with ANY company. Don't just think it's HTC. I think they are a wonderful company that release some really nice products. Just because in the past 2 months they have said something twice and people have responded badly to it and demanded them to change their decision doesn't make them a bad company. It just merely suggests that that company has made a mistake and changed it's mind. If they turn out products that there is no unlocked bootloader or they won't release an update like they said they would then their reputation would massively go down, they inevitably would lose sales and would be back to square 1.
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but a lot of customers are not rooted, so they are stuck.
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they have the option to root their phone. Not just for the Desire but other phones as well.
I seriously don't get it. You seem to have some personal hatred for the company just because they have made 2 mistakes and them mistakes have been rectified.... seriously now.
Oh no, there is no hatred. Sorry if it sounds like that. As i said, I'm a big HTC fan, and I love their devices.
What confuses me, is all these promises, then u-turns, then u-turns on u-turns.
I should have probably explained that this is a copy/paste from Sensation forum. All I would like to achieve is HTC to speed up unlocking process, or at least give us some information. We are a minority (people who root phones ) so we have to involve an average Joe to be noticed. Quick promise without any more information I just can't consider as a serious statement.
At the moment it looks like they are trying to shut up people who are not happy with thing HTC are doing, so their Facebook page is not filled with negative comments. Saying that, some of the posts are atrocious, I always say that swearing doesn't get you anywhere.
Absolutely love my Desire, especially after rooting it, so Sensation didn't really live up to expectations. I truly believe that devs can improve it x-fold.
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Well it is how it is and you can't change that. I think when a company goes back on itself in a good way for the customers is a good thing and you should expect good things. Like I said, company's will say something and then not release any information really. They might when it's close to releasing it but other than that it stays quiet. Purely because other competitive company's will keep tabs on each other. It's just a matter of waiting really.
Have to disagree with your first sentence. We did force them to change their decision on locked bootloader (i hope) so things can be changed if a lot of people ask for it.
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Well it is how it is and you can't change that. I think when a company goes back on itself in a good way for the customers is a good thing and you should expect good things. Like I said, company's will say something and then not release any information really. They might when it's close to releasing it but other than that it stays quiet. Purely because other competitive company's will keep tabs on each other. It's just a matter of waiting really.
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I totally agree that you want the sensation unlocking and that'll come 'soon' (hehe)
big outcry number 1 achieved that goal - shouting about it to get it sooner is probably not going to help.
as someone said htc didn't really have to go back on their decisions - and a lot of companies probably wouldn't have anyway - but the Sensation is brand new still - in fact it isn't even available here till next week on any network apart from vodafone if I read rightly - so you'll probably have to give them a month or two.
You know when you buy a PC game (or probably xbox and ps3) and as soon as you install it it says you must download a hotfix or patch and its day 1 of release, you think 'geez, they have to patch something so soon - why did they release it so early?' Well I guess it's the same sort of thing - technically the Sensation isn't broken so they don't want to make it look like they did a bad job - give it a month or two and you'll probably get the update which will unlock - or if lucky the unbranded/non-vodafone handsets might be unlocked anyway?
Then it's probably also down to the network again to push the updates out after htc release them so more delays...
So all in all I think you just need to give it a bit of time
Unfortunatly, this is how businesses work. Old models get left by the wayside = More revenue for new devices. If Microsoft constantly updated Windows we would all still be on Windows 95. But, they stop support to force your hand into buying a newer version. HTC are no Different.
Personally, from a business point of view and not my personal view, its a sound business model. MAKE people buy your latest and greatest releases.
Unfortunatly, HTC have more support then I think they realised and HAD to give in to pressure, but I don't think it will continue for the forseeable future. I think they decided to ride the crest of a wave while it was till good.
KYI
I know where you are coming from, but Microsoft supported Win95 for more than a year or two...
Also Win XP's support has been extended because so many people are using it on the same wavelength.
a 24 month contract and a phone that is out of support in less than that - it's no wonder people are grieved...
It'd be nice to get 18 months support on a phone, and after that you can almost expect it to be old hat.
I wouldn't expect any updates after GB (maybe a bugfix if there are any)
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I know where you are coming from, but Microsoft supported Win95 for more than a year or two...
Also Win XP's support has been extended because so many people are using it on the same wavelength.
a 24 month contract and a phone that is out of support in less than that - it's no wonder people are grieved...
It'd be nice to get 18 months support on a phone, and after that you can almost expect it to be old hat.
I wouldn't expect any updates after GB (maybe a bugfix if there are any)
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True, Microsoft support is more then 2 years, but their releases are not (At least not far behind). The Reason support is less (occasionally) then 24 months is due to the carriers. The Contract is 24 months at Vodafone/Orange/O2 ect Discression, not HTC's.
You CAN get a Desire on 12 Month contracts, but you pay more for the handset first off. Most people have CHOSEN a 24 month contract as the Handset is subsidized over the 24 months. HTC are not obliged to release updates for 24 months, if you have a 24 Month contract (I do) then that is your choice (It was mine)
Either Way, IMO, Gingerbread is a Bonus, not a right on HTC's part
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True, Microsoft support is more then 2 years, but their releases are not (At least not far behind). The Reason support is less (occasionally) then 24 months is due to the carriers. The Contract is 24 months at Vodafone/Orange/O2 ect Discression, not HTC's.
You CAN get a Desire on 12 Month contracts, but you pay more for the handset first off. Most people have CHOSEN a 24 month contract as the Handset is subsidized over the 24 months. HTC are not obliged to release updates for 24 months, if you have a 24 Month contract (I do) then that is your choice (It was mine)
Either Way, IMO, Gingerbread is a Bonus, not a right on HTC's part
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aren't manufacturers (soon to be) suppose to be supporting a device with updates (unless hardware prevents) for 18 months, as mentioned by google... probably not in place yet though but...
anyway yes I think GB is a bonus.
I think if HTC said from the start that GB wasn't coming they wouldn't have had this massive public moan about it being declined at the last minute probably would have been a much smaller moan
I chose to buy my handset outright and have a rolling 1month contract - meaning it cost me £400 to get the phone, as I was peeved by the HTC Touch HD / Blackstone on a 24 month contract only for it to be out of support almost instantly, no upgrade to 6.5 (without custom rom), and also the HD2 came out about 6 months later...
Every one keeps saying "well they dont have to support it its already over 12 months old"
You keep forgetting that HTC just released the desire in north america in August of 2010. Dropping support for a device thats just over 6 months old is not a good move on their part.
And that is a very valid point.
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Every one keeps saying "well they dont have to support it its already over 12 months old"
You keep forgetting that HTC just released the desire in north america in August of 2010. Dropping support for a device thats just over 6 months old is not a good move on their part.
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I never ever saw a software update to the nokia 3210 and had that for years...
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I never ever saw a software update to the nokia 3210 and had that for years...
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Damn, we better demand one from Nokia, it's well overdue and gps fix as well
Hey guys, from what I have seen going around on this forum it's pretty obvious that HTC has shot themselves death w the One X fiasco. The way they response to the issues so far will definitely transfer to brand damage and permanent loss of customers. Combined w their abysmal performance lately, the future is not so bright for them. Such a shame since I really like their phones. Using an HTC sensation XL now w only one core and I'm proud to show to next to any SII.
Anyway, there's a big fat chance that HTC wont be around long. Just wondering what brand you guyz will switch to once they're done. For me it'll be either Sony if I really really want to stay w Android (I love Google). If not I'll jump to Nokia and WP even though I really hate M$, or even worse, I'll go w Apple and iOS (hopefully they'll have released something bigger than 4.5 inch screen wise by then). Wont ever go w Samsung phones since their fan boys are bloody annoying. They're the worst kind of fan boys ever, even worse than Apple's srsly.
Imagine someday we'll look back at our old HTC phones and realize there was a time when they existed lol.
Peace.
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Hey guys, from what I have seen going around on this forum it's pretty obvious that HTC has shot themselves death w the One X fiasco. The way they response to the issues so far will definitely transfer to brand damage and permanent loss of customers. Combined w their abysmal performance lately, the future is not so bright for them. Such a shame since I really like their phones. Using an HTC sensation XL now w only one core and I'm proud to show to next to any SII.
Anyway, there's a big fat chance that HTC wont be around long. Just wondering what brand you guyz will switch to once they're done. For me it'll be either Sony if I really really want to stay w Android (I love Google). If not I'll jump to Nokia and WP even though I really hate M$, or even worse, I'll go w Apple and iOS (hopefully they'll have released something bigger than 4.5 inch screen wise by then). Wont ever go w Samsung phones since their fan boys are bloody annoying. They're the worst kind of fan boys ever, even worse than Apple's srsly.
Imagine someday we'll look back at our old HTC phones and realize there was a time when they existed lol.
Peace.
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Wow your pretty stupid to think a fraction of a forum represents the majority of HTC owners....
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In case it happens, and I doubt because of One X...
Certainly NOT samsung and apple
Surelly Sony, they are the closest brand in terms of design creativity and high grades materials used
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Wow your pretty stupid to think a fraction of a forum represents the majority of HTC owners....
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Just pretty stupid.
HTC is why we have XDA, even if one of their devices fail, they wont go away
all devices have a fiasco at launch, it was there when the xbox360 launched, ps2, ps3, sgs2, iphone4...i can keep going but can't be bothered
yes its worse than usual but nothing new
besides our polls, the faultless One X thread and 95% of the reviews making love to the One X proves it's still far away from a failure
the worst that will happen is a measure for early adopters, just like Sony did for the defected Xperia S screens
now this thread is flame war
moddddddddd
Can this nonsense thread be closed please?
Haven't you ever thought, people with flawless HOX are actually busy with their HOX and the rest few people are the only ones online at XDA OneX forum
From personal perspective, I'm quite happy with my HOX, coming from an HD2 .. it was a good buy for me. And yes after HTC goes bankrupt (I'm also sure it won't be for the OneX).. I am sure there will be some new player to jump onto.
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95% of the reviews making love to the One X
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HTC bankrupt.. hahaha
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vincepg13 said:
Wow your pretty stupid to think a fraction of a forum represents the majority of HTC owners....
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I've been following this phone on the internet and there are just simply too many issues. All the polls so far as far as I understand don't count how many phones are affected in every way. Instes each poll addresses a particular issue. Hence if we combine all the affected phones the ratio is pretty large I think. I understand very well that all new products will have issues, particular the one x since its a complete new direction in manufacturing for HTC. However the way they rushes out the products and how they have been responding to the complaints so far just makes me rethink my allowance for them.
And as I have said I have been following this phone every single day since the launh and the issues dont just come up in this forum. Threads about issues come up in other android forums as well. Also a lot of average consumers probably haven't paid close attention to the defects particularly the screen flickering issue. Or perhaps they justwerent bothered by it enough to make a big deal ( I think they'll regret it though as it gets worse).
So yeah not trolling at all just wanna share my thoughts. No need to get so worked up
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Wow your pretty stupid to think a fraction of a forum represents the majority of HTC owners....
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hamdir said:
HTC is why we have XDA, even if one of their devices fail, they wont go away
all devices have a fiasco at launch, it was there when the xbox360 launched, ps2, ps3, sgs2, iphone4...i can keep going but can't be bothered
yes its worse than usual but nothing new
besides our polls, the faultless One X thread and 95% of the reviews making love to the One X proves it's still far away from a failure
the worst that will happen is a measure for early adopters, just like Sony did for the defected Xperia S screens
now this thread is flame war
moddddddddd
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I love how u change ur attitude so quickly. Remember seeing how u wanted to go thermal wars on HTC and want them to die in the thread about screen flickering issue.
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I've been following this phone on the internet and there are just simply too many issues. All the polls so far as far as I understand don't count how many phones are affected in every way. Instes each poll addresses a particular issue. Hence if we combine all the affected phones the ratio is pretty large I think. I understand very well that all new products will have issues, particular the one x since its a complete new direction in manufacturing for HTC. However the way they rushes out the products and how they have been responding to the complaints so far just makes me rethink my allowance for them.
And as I have said I have been following this phone every single day since the launh and the issues dont just come up in this forum. Threads about issues come up in other android forums as well. Also a lot of average consumers probably haven't paid close attention to the defects particularly the screen flickering issue. Or perhaps they justwerent bothered by it enough to make a big deal ( I think they'll regret it though as it gets worse).
So yeah not trolling at all just wanna share my thoughts. No need to get so worked up
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You are trolling when you go to the extreme that a whole company will go under cos of a few issues.
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I've been following this phone on the internet and there are just simply too many issues. All the polls so far as far as I understand don't count how many phones are affected in every way. Instes each poll addresses a particular issue. Hence if we combine all the affected phones the ratio is pretty large I think. I understand very well that all new products will have issues, particular the one x since its a complete new direction in manufacturing for HTC. However the way they rushes out the products and how they have been responding to the complaints so far just makes me rethink my allowance for them.
And as I have said I have been following this phone every single day since the launh and the issues dont just come up in this forum. Threads about issues come up in other android forums as well. Also a lot of average consumers probably haven't paid close attention to the defects particularly the screen flickering issue. Or perhaps they justwerent bothered by it enough to make a big deal ( I think they'll regret it though as it gets worse).
So yeah not trolling at all just wanna share my thoughts. No need to get so worked up
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Not a single issue with my HOX
HTC is definitely a good brand and in my opinion you generalize too much few customers issue.
Do you own a HOX?
Non sens thread surely closed soon
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Every sony phone I've had in the past (admittedly older phones, not smartphones) has developed a fault within its warranty period, or just after.
They were still using crappy connections for charging, that after time dont fit properly and everything else.
So Sony nope...
Samsung, crap build quality, awfull touchwiz. No thanks.
WinPhone7, just removed it from my old HD2 so my Mrs can have Android on it. No thanks... Its very slick for a phone/functions perfectly but is too immature to be a real option as a smartphone. Crappy sat nav, and a million things on marketplace that you have to pay for thart are free for android market.
Doesnt leave anybody does it?
LOL
louis.b said:
I've been following this phone on the internet and there are just simply too many issues. All the polls so far as far as I understand don't count how many phones are affected in every way. Instes each poll addresses a particular issue. Hence if we combine all the affected phones the ratio is pretty large I think. I understand very well that all new products will have issues, particular the one x since its a complete new direction in manufacturing for HTC. However the way they rushes out the products and how they have been responding to the complaints so far just makes me rethink my allowance for them.
And as I have said I have been following this phone every single day since the launh and the issues dont just come up in this forum. Threads about issues come up in other android forums as well. Also a lot of average consumers probably haven't paid close attention to the defects particularly the screen flickering issue. Or perhaps they justwerent bothered by it enough to make a big deal ( I think they'll regret it though as it gets worse).
So yeah not trolling at all just wanna share my thoughts. No need to get so worked up
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What issues? I'm starting to think I have the one HOX that's working fine, the only prob I have with it is a week WiFi reception that came in with 1.28, its a pain, but hardly worth hating the device for it. A small bug... So what, it will be easyly fixed.
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Trollolol
By this simplistic logic, Nokia and Motorola would have been gone long time ago...
Pointless post,yawn.
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matmar said:
Not a single issue with my HOX
HTC is definitely a good brand and in my opinion you generalize too much few customers issue.
Do you own a HOX?
Non sens thread surely closed soon
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I've never said they'll go bankrupt because of the one x fiasco. I said that in combination w the abysmal financial performance in the last couple of months, the one x issues will probably put a lot of ppl off HTC forever. Remember LG?
The smartphone market is very different now. It's basically a 2 horse race between Samsung and Apple for the premium market and the Chinese manufacturers for the low level phones. Hell the latter is even moving up as well and w very competitive price. It's not easy for HTC to turn around now and apparently even harder once they lose customers because of the lack of response and future potential customers who are discouraged from buying it either by someone they know or by viewing forums like this.
I won't be switching back to Samsung if HTC goes belly up, that's certain.
I'll move away from smart phones and go back to retro 90's Nokia phones
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We are annoying since we are fan of best quality gadgets?
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Thread closed as its definately offtopic......
I was one of the unfortunate guys to develop the wifi issue, did the test where I pushed gently on the top right of the screen to confirm it was indeed hardware related so off it went to HTC. The last time HTC repaired a device for me was my DHD and I couldn't fault the service in one area, the phone was picked up next day and then repaired almost instantly and delivered back to me a couple of days after pickup. The experience I had getting my One X repaired was a different story altogether, It took 2 and a half weeks from beginning to end just to repair a simple fault, had they actually had some decent answers for me when I queried it I wouldn't have minded but all I got was "Hmmm it seems to be taking far longer than usual for your repair" thank you captain obvious, "we will investigate and get back to you today with an update", got fobbed off with that line 3 times.
Finally when waiting for a response from them the UPS guy appeared with my phone, glad to say the phone is now picking up wifi no problem and I'm pleased that its fixed but being without my smart phone for so long was crippling. The fact the phone has a hardware fault right off the bat and then HTC were so poor with their efforts to fix it in a decent time frame has soured my view on them, may be venturing elsewhere for my next phone.
Their customer service went out the window when the incredible S was released I had a horrible time with my desire z getting repaired.
they were a little overwhelmed this time mate
That is true there must be loads of people complaining.
hamdir said:
they were a little overwhelmed this time mate
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yup regenesis seem to be cocking a lot up recently,
hamdir said:
they were a little overwhelmed this time mate
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Timeline:
June 2 - Massive Wi-Fi hardware fault thread started
June 18 - HTC acknowledges the problem
July 4 - The UK carrier 3 discloses what the fix entails meaning they've received communication from HTC
So from when the problem was first reported to the time a fix was filtered down to field service centers was about a month. Once the problem was identified HTC had to design and manufacture parts, develop procedures for field support people to apply the fix, and get both out to repair centers all over the world. That's pretty reasonable speed for a multi-billion dollar corporation. During that period, and before the fix was announced, many people sent their phones to HTC for repair multiple times getting it back with the problem unresolved. An expected outcome. Personally, if my phone was affected, I'd have waited until the fix was announced and probably a bit after to ensure all the parts and procedures were in place before sending my phone in. From reading people’s experiences with HTC’s UK service centers there’s clearly some issues. But those issues are separate from the timeliness of the specific repair for the Wi-Fi problem.
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they were a little overwhelmed this time mate
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I'm honestly not trying to pick a fight here, I am just curious, why are you always defending htc?
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I'm honestly not trying to pick a fight here, I am just curious, why are you always defending htc?
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He´s not. if you were the only one the service would be great...
Two and a half weeks? That's quite fast. They took about five and a half to repair mine.
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He´s not. if you were the only one the service would be great...
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I'm not talking about this thread alone. Also their competitors have much faster turn around times e.g. samsung with the s3 which has shipped over 6.5 million units of a single mobile phone.
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why are you always defending htc?
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If they suck, why do you buy their phones?
Hamdir's a big boy and doesn't need anyone to speak for him. Speaking for myself, I defend HTC on the forum where it's warranted. Many of the gripes and complaints are petty and could easily apply to any mobile device manufacturer. It's a public forum and people with issues should voice them. But the repetitive posts and pile-ons over some of the less significant issues would lead people looking to buy a One X that it's a piece of garbage. It's not. HTC rushed the One X to market, I'm guessing to beat Samsung and the SGS3, and it had more s/w and QC issues than it should have. Any reasonable person reading this forum could draw that conclusion. But the amount of threads and posts dedicated to repeating the same problems, issues, and experiences ad nauseam is unwarranted, doesn’t represent the majority of user’s experiences, and is a violation of XDA's forum rules. I've been on XDA since 2009 and this forum is the most emotional and overwrought of any I've participated in. And I’m not a HTC “fanboy.” My previous phone was a i9100 I had for eleven months and I own a UK G-Tab 10.1 which I think is great. The One X is my first HTC phone since the WinMo HD2.
Edit. Never mind
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If they suck, why do you buy their phones?
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A manufacturer can still make a brilliant product and suck at every other part of it's operations.
Lenovo make some of the most well-built laptops but their after-sales is quite simply chronically poor.
My opinion on HTC is that they make good phones if you're prepared to hand over the dough but after that, they're generally lousy with major Android updates outside their latest and greatest (for example). Also heard bad things about HTC's repair service so this thread comes at no surprise.
Also, it's anything but bad that HTC is being criticized. It makes it public that they need to improve.
I need to send mine off for repair as the screen is coming away from the case, but with stories like this it puts me off.
I need to get it sent in at some point though!
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Id send it away not everyone has a bad experience just some people do.
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My opinion on HTC is that they make good phones if you're prepared to hand over the dough but after that, they're generally lousy with major Android updates outside their latest and greatest (for example).
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???
Come on, the Incredible S just got ICS, name one other phone released in that time that has gotten an ICS update.
BarryH_GEG said:
If they suck, why do you buy their phones?
Hamdir's a big boy and doesn't need anyone to speak for him. Speaking for myself, I defend HTC on the forum where it's warranted. Many of the gripes and complaints are petty and could easily apply to any mobile device manufacturer. It's a public forum and people with issues should voice them. But the repetitive posts and pile-ons over some of the less significant issues would lead people looking to buy a One X that it's a piece of garbage. It's not. HTC rushed the One X to market, I'm guessing to beat Samsung and the SGS3, and it had more s/w and QC issues than it should have. Any reasonable person reading this forum could draw that conclusion. But the amount of threads and posts dedicated to repeating the same problems, issues, and experiences ad nauseam is unwarranted, doesn’t represent the majority of user’s experiences, and is a violation of XDA's forum rules. I've been on XDA since 2009 and this forum is the most emotional and overwrought of any I've participated in. And I’m not a HTC “fanboy.” My previous phone was a i9100 I had for eleven months and I own a UK G-Tab 10.1 which I think is great. The One X is my first HTC phone since the WinMo HD2.
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Where at any point in my two replies did I state they suck? I am a big boy too so my reasons for purchasing my phone do not concern you. Secondly I have had good experiences with htc and I read several reviews (some from xda) praising this phone to no end. As you mentioned this phone was rushed to market and has several flaws, if htc really cared about the customer and wanted to provide a good user experience they would have waited until it was ready to release it. I don't see your problems with the threads being created, in my opinion they are a good thing to inform anyone considering the phone of the amount of issues it is facing, it is like you are trying to sweep it under the carpet. I am not a fanboy either I have owned a device running pretty much every os on the market right now but this is one of the worst quality control problems I have seen.
Mine came back from its second repair yesterday for a dead pixel and missing front camera lens. For the THIRD time I have a dead pixel. That's three screens with dead/stuck pixels in a row. Either I'm unlucky or these screens are prone to it. To top it off, they replaced the body of my phone with a white one with scratches on the camera lens.The serial number matches so I can only imagine they've mixed ny case up with someone else's. Lucky for them really as my case was in perfect condition.
I will add one thing to my original post, I have unlocked ny bootloader so am glad they still repaired it for me
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Daley87 said:
I will add one thing to my original post, I have unlocked ny bootloader so am glad they still repaired it for me
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same here fella..i had an unlocked bootloader and they still fixed my phone:highfive:
Ok,
I just to share my pain with you guys. I keep reading you guys on the HOX update thread. I reckon by the time I get a phone without fault, it'll come with Jellybean straight out of the box.
I'm with Carphone Warehouse.
They are brilliant at arranging a swap. But, not so good at sending me a working phone it seems. I'll spare you the details about the issues, but they have all been genuine.
Spoke to a manager today, who said to send the phone to their office, and they will have a look at it. And they will inspect my replacement before they send it out.
However, I'm on the second month of my new contract now, and it's basically 2 months without the phone I ordered. I don't see the point in kicking off over the phone, as most of the time, they don't really have the authority to do much. Plus, it's no good for the blood pressure if you end up arguing with a jerk.
Far better to take your time and write a letter to head office, spelling out all the issues, the timeline and what you want as a resolution. And then sleep on it. Edit it, and sleep on it again before sending it.
If you were me, what would you ask them for? (apart from a working phone, but hopefully that is in the bag if they truly are going to inspect it)
I don't mind stupid comments as long as you give a sensible one as well. I could do with some light relief.
If you were me, what would you ask them for?
a galaxy s3 and be done with it, flawless first time
oh and it being a better phone will be a bonus to
it took me 3 one x's to get a decent one, gave that to the missus and got a gs3, its a much better phone
Your 2 months line rental back at a minimum
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If you just want a phone ask if you can swap for a gs3(I had this option and didn't go for it because I don't find the gs3 better than the one x). If you still want a one x, let then let you pick it up in-store, maybe let you into the store room and puck the box personally. Even say if you can get the one x+ for free when it comes out
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Ok,
I just to share my pain with you guys. I keep reading you guys on the HOX update thread. I reckon by the time I get a phone without fault, it'll come with Jellybean straight out of the box.
I'm with Carphone Warehouse.
They are brilliant at arranging a swap. But, not so good at sending me a working phone it seems. I'll spare you the details about the issues, but they have all been genuine.
Spoke to a manager today, who said to send the phone to their office, and they will have a look at it. And they will inspect my replacement before they send it out.
However, I'm on the second month of my new contract now, and it's basically 2 months without the phone I ordered. I don't see the point in kicking off over the phone, as most of the time, they don't really have the authority to do much. Plus, it's no good for the blood pressure if you end up arguing with a jerk.
Far better to take your time and write a letter to head office, spelling out all the issues, the timeline and what you want as a resolution. And then sleep on it. Edit it, and sleep on it again before sending it.
If you were me, what would you ask them for? (apart from a working phone, but hopefully that is in the bag if they truly are going to inspect it)
I don't mind stupid comments as long as you give a sensible one as well. I could do with some light relief.
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I would wonder why I wouldn't ask for a different phone after the third or fourth time.
Edit: Just pulled up reviews for CPW. They kinda suck if you look at their reviews. Perhaps it's not the phone, but who you've gotten 10 phones from.
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I would wonder why I wouldn't ask for a different phone after the third or fourth time.
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Yes, they did offer me the SG3.
I don't like the screen. Nor the dialler. Or the design.
As for why I different ask for a different phone.
Kind of like those situations where you're waiting for a bus. And you've been waiting that long, you could have walked, but didn't, because you knew the next one would be here in a minute.
I've spoken to them, and if they don't send me out a working phone, without flaws, then I will be getting an SG3.
(but then, whose to say I won't have the same issues with the SG3!! I might just be one of those really unlucky SOB's...)
I mean, given probability, you would have thought that by the 8th one, I would have got a working one.
What I don't want to do, is end up over on the SG3 forum, with the same title, except it saying
My 10th replacement SG3.
And 4 months into my contract.
Yes, you're right. Definitely the 2 months line rental.
You have my sympathy, it took me 4 replacements on the 3 network to get a usable phone and I thought I had it bad, you're doing well not to lose it, sounds like Carphone Warehoue are being decent at least with swapping them out each time rather than a repair.
Then again, with 3 i'm still on 1.28 with bugs galore so it's still not 100%. I would definitely be asking for the 2 months back as you haven't had the benefit of the service you're paying for. I really would have thought HTC would have these problems sorted by now, I'm very surprised.
I would probably at this point even ask for a refund, hold out a month or two and maybe either try again or opt for another phone if something else you fancied came along.
If they are going to check out the new replacement first, maybe give them this chance and then consider your options. Good luck!
@Op,
10 new replacements in 2 months does make me think your story is crap, that's how I see it.
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@Op,
10 new replacements in 2 months does make me think your story is crap, that's how I see it.
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I'd have gone through two. Maybe three. But ten? Unless there was a bad run and CPW got all of them the odds of getting that many defective devices in a row are astronomical. Early in the launch when the One X was at its worst the "perfect vs. non-perfect poll" showed 70% declared perfect by their owners. Out of ten that's seven that were fault free. OP, you seem to have bad karma with the One X. I'd suggest not tempting the gods any longer and finding a substitute.
I also say total crap,
Carphone warehouse wouldn't even replace it 10 times, they would have offered a different phone or scrapped the contract long before now.
I've had one HOX, (release day 5th april)
The one I'm using now is the same phone, it's faultless.
Oh, and I got it from Carphone Warehouse.
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@Op,
10 new replacements in 2 months does make me think your story is crap, that's how I see it.
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So true :good:
Op hasn't mentioned what the "fault or flaw" is that he has experienced. Utter Bull crap if you ask me.
I feel so sorry for htc...because of these people that send their phones back for a creaking screen or flashing lcd's bla bla bla. It is breaking htc to the point of needing a bail-out from the Taiwanese Banks!
I've owned my One X since May and experienced all of the bugs that have been discussed in these forums but I never gave up on her, she's been wonderful to me. Luckily I don't have any hardware defects and accept that she is what she is a hot & sexy and occasionally sometimes difficult to be with. But I love my One X to the end.
Sorry for the rant but really come on 10 returns?? Why didn't you switch service providers after the 3rd return? And next time tell us what flaw's you were experiencing other wise we'll just think you're talking utter crap...end
Well I have just received my fifth replacement (First four because of GPS issues), and this one I found, to my dismay, has a faulty touch screen. I.e. the top third of the screen doesn't register any touch, and I can't drag notification bar down, or search for apps in Play Store etc etc.
This one was FROM HTC.... ugh
Wow 10 replacements does sound bad indeed. Maybe you are just to picky, or they keep sending you the same phone
i got mine since it came out. The only problem with it is the creacking on the left side. It does seem annoying sometimes but not enough to start bugging htc or complain about sh*t quality. I love my phone as it is. Theres nothing perfect in this world
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Wow 10 replacements does sound bad indeed. Maybe you are just to picky, or they keep sending you the same phone
i got mine since it came out. The only problem with it is the creacking on the left side. It does seem annoying sometimes but not enough to start bugging htc or complain about sh*t quality. I love my phone as it is. Theres nothing perfect in this world
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Yea mine also seems to have that issue and the light leak at the bottom on a black screen, but it's not enough for me to send it back. I only had one issue with the phone after I got it and that was a faulty SIM card, but my Service provider, MTN Just swapped it the next day. I love my phone and am running JB ROM now. it makes all the difference. 10 swaps seems like a picky user or you must have been a terrible person in your previous life.
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So true :good:
Op hasn't mentioned what the "fault or flaw" is that he has experienced. Utter Bull crap if you ask me.
I feel so sorry for htc...because of these people that send their phones back for a creaking screen or flashing lcd's bla bla bla. It is breaking htc to the point of needing a bail-out from the Taiwanese Banks!
I've owned my One X since May and experienced all of the bugs that have been discussed in these forums but I never gave up on her, she's been wonderful to me. Luckily I don't have any hardware defects and accept that she is what she is a hot & sexy and occasionally sometimes difficult to be with. But I love my One X to the end.
Sorry for the rant but really come on 10 returns?? Why didn't you switch service providers after the 3rd return? And next time tell us what flaw's you were experiencing other wise we'll just think you're talking utter crap...end
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Well just so you know HTC/retailers/carriers dont just keep the returned phones. They resell them to other customers in different manners depending on how honest the party is. HTC is having financial problems because people just dont buy their phones to begin with. I just started working at a phone store and the people there push the SGS3 like crazy and customers just ask about IP4S )
And just because you like the ideal design/ concept/ the brand doesnt make the messy production acceptable. Idk about other major Android phone releases, but I've seen so many people who had to swap A COUPLE OF times just to get a decent one. That was a bit shocking. And I've seen people who claimed to have a perfect handset in the beginning now have issues with the wifi-antenna. SO just a reminder for those of you HTC police, before chastising the disgruntled customers, think about karma. Your perfect phones may be the next one in the line to be sent back to customer service and I'll be eagerly waiting for the story about your experience with HTC repair, especially those you that live in the UK.
PS: Just to say preemptively that Im not a Samsung/ Apple/ Sony fan boy. HTC is still my most favourite Android manufacturer but that doesnt mean I need to suck up to their horrendous quality control.
i call bull **** 10 phones u are either the unluckiest person alive or your trolling
Please, I wanna c a picture of ur face. Please.
Enviado desde mi HTC One X
@ averygagaanroid I totally agree with you.
My personal experience with htc thus far has been exceptional and the three gorgeous phone's I've owned from them in the last 5-6 years have been a Hero, Desire and One X and yes a have found bugs but I was patient enough and now I still have these perfect working phone's now.
I only hope that htc pull's through these hard times and comes out stronger because I will be buying my next phone from htc in the next 18 months.
What network are you working for?
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@ averygagaanroid I totally agree with you.
My personal experience with htc thus far has been exceptional and the three gorgeous phone's I've owned from them in the last 5-6 years have been a Hero, Desire and One X and yes a have found bugs but I was patient enough and now I still have these perfect working phone's now.
I only hope that htc pull's through these hard times and comes out stronger because I will be buying my next phone from htc in the next 18 months.
What network are you working for?
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Optus and Virgin in Australia.
i work at CPW, please P/M me a customer number or transaction number for any of the 10 exchanges so that i can confirm/refute your claims for all these fine people
HTC Phone sales: 7,3 m
HTC Pkone sales drop: -42,5%
This is only in the Q3 2012 !
What is happening?
seriously a new post for this? its been discussed in many threads
everyone hates HTC for the lack of SD expansion despite the big storage, the battery issues despite rushing for the slim SGS2 last year which seems to have confused HTC about which is more imporant, they also hate it for not providing OTA faster than google
and the defects on the One X early launch and the US import block from apple on the One series
finally HTC can't afford the mass advertising of samsung
so yea, we all wanted HTC down and it is going down
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HTC Phone sales: 7,3 m
HTC Pkone sales drop: -42,5%
This is only in the Q3 2012 !
What is happening?
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You wonder about it? I don't. HTC does the same mistakes over and over again, losing customers, maintaining their bad image.
its ok they are going back to their windows root as you can see by their 8x
Also S-On. That alone has caused many to not buy HTC devices anymore. I won't be buying their devices that are S-On ever again. (Not that you care what I think, just if enough people think like I do....their sales will drop even more)...
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Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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I am really sorry I honestly don't find the point about this thread.
If HTC goes bankrupt that is their thing, or are you their spy sent here to discuss and try to convince us to buy more of "your" product?
Too bad you fai....
Zlotin said:
Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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:good: super post
Zlotin said:
Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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oh my god this guy is spot on. exactly what i wanted to say for a long time, to be honest i think they died mostly because of marketing, i dont see much of HTC's marketing compare to Samsung, everyone agree the HOX is an awesome phone but not so many people know about it, combined with the money lost from buying Beats. I'm kind of tired of people *****ing about sense, 32gb is not much, no sd card, removable battery, seriously MOST normal user (not the geek like us here on XDA) dont care about those things, oh yeah and one more thing, i love sense. LOL
Possibly also gonna be one of my last phone by HTC - for now... My phone is getting repaired for 250 euros and then i'm going to sell it for 250 euros (basically giving it away without profit). I already have a buyer and i will get the nexus 4 from google for only 300 euros. (i'm only doing this because it costs me 50$ more to get a nexus 4, since i have to get it repaired either way, eh?). If the nexus4 didn't have such a great money/specification ratio i would have probably stayed one x.
pros: I love htc's design, i love sense, it does feel different.
cons:
Their UI is good, but it comes with consequences, sadly due to my screen breaking i don't think i'll be experiencing sense with jelly bean. As good as 2.17 has gotten, IMO it's not there yet in terms of performance. I can't describe how much the app drawar annoys the living crap out of me. (I think JB fixes it though)
Display is wonderful, but why in their right mind would they put a 1800 mAh battery in a quadcore phone with a 40nm processor? I monitor my battery whenever i use it as if there's no tomorrow. You end up reaching a point where you think, okay can't touch this or that. Might get a sporadic % drop that will leave me with nearly no juice at all.
Even before rooting my phone, it would drop by 5 sometimes even more % at a time. This fault seems to not only be in the one x, but it also seems to show same crappy stats on the HTC Cha Cha(given to me by my provider) which i'm using now till my one x comes back.
IMO they seem to be doing a lot of things right and well, but if you are doing more wrong than right then that's where a company has two think twice about what they are doing.
That's not to say that other companies do not have their problems. Samsung has its faults too. But i feel as though with that company the wrongs don't outweigh the rights. I feel as though they(HTC) still haven't learned about simple things. I remember reading their blog about how important a thin phone is. It is important, but those 0.2~3 mm for the sake of a little bit more battery would satisfy users much more than having a device with 0.2~0.3mm less thickness and therefor less battery.
There's a reason they are not earning money and they should look into it asap.
edit: this seems like a rant. No! I honestly have not seen a nicer screen than the one on my ONE X. But despite the gorgeous screen i can't see it justifying those few faults by htc. (One thing i must admit - once i went SLCD2 i can't convince myself to go back to amoled that's one of the only main reasons i've also considered for going with the nexus4 is also because of the IPS screen which is said to be good. If it were amoled i honestly would have canceled this decision and stayed with the one x this round)
This is my first HTC device, and this is the opinion of a first time HTC user. Me and a friend had WiFi issues and screen gap etc. etc.
This doesn't leave us with a good taste in our mouth. I can really imagine long term users wanting to stay with HTC and that's understandable. This small mistake at the beginning though, has left people still worried about buying an htc one x to date. Still posts pop up about concerns. The first impression is the most important - especially to users wanting to convert to a new company - and as a company that was already in a bit of a trouble they really messed it up this time around. Lets hope htc does it right with tegra 4 a15s. Maybe faith can be restored. Hope it gets back on track because a world with samsung and apple only would suck major balls.
Zlotin said:
Just to be clear with s-off and sh-t.
I have 3 android devices now, and I have had over 10. Now I can say, that flashing on HTC is pretty easy. And I really mean easy. I mean, go and flash Acer iconia tab a500. If you'll back in 3 hours, I'll give you a cookie.
If you really bothered, that you need to connect phone to PC every time you flash it, go and buy nexus. It will make much more sense.
HTC is the best manufacturer in my. Sammy has access to the crank accessories like displays, memory, CPUs, but HTC still can fight Sammy. All other manufacturers are half dead now (Sony, Nokia, Motorola, LG).
There some massive problems in the management, some troubles with quality control.
And you believe me, if HTC would grain access to s-off, it will make 4,3% of users happy. And if they'll push jb 4.2 ota a week before Sammy, it will make 2% more customers happy.
Again, HTC's problem is getting "adult" phone manufacturer, and not the geek-smartphone designer it was 5 years ago. And it can be, that one of the reasons of it, are the people like you, guys, who are most visible in Internet, who want f-cking mega-wunder-device with fastest updates.
Period
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One thing, dunno if any of you agree.
Those 4,3% and 2% customers are the ones who talk on and on about smartphones on the internet.
Which causes, rumours.. self advertisement.. and I think the resources spent on granting the happiness of these communities will do no harm, in finance or whatsoever.
always wise my friend shehadeh
HTC used to be the top...
My kaiser, my N1,, and now my Senny, are all real good phones.
The sensation form factor with the curve edge screen and removable battery/entire case should have been the standard going forward.
Unfortunately, they are not pushing out anything ground breaking anymore, just following the curve, not creating it, not to mention, their ads really suck compared to the Samsung ones.
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omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
thekillingroad said:
One thing, dunno if any of you agree.
Those 4,3% and 2% customers are the ones who talk on and on about smartphones on the internet.
Which causes, rumours.. self advertisement.. and I think the resources spent on granting the happiness of these communities will do no harm, in finance or whatsoever.
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It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
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No sorrys, I called all of us nerds couple of times in the JB thread =)
I did recommend an iPhone to my own sister, to her husband, to a random guy who just asked stuff about my HD2 in an elevator of a mall.. etc Of course what I meant was not misleading ppl, but I think you did get the idea of what I meant by saying the self advertisement.
exactly what I was trying to say that they are coming from geek area, and they should not lose this while trying to sail into oceans.
Ok staying in the geek area is not that profitable at all for a large company, but forgetting it also is not a good way too.
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No sorrys, I called all of us nerds couple of times in the JB thread =)
I did recommend an iPhone to my own sister, to her husband, to a random guy who just asked stuff about my HD2 in an elevator of a mall.. etc Of course what I meant was not misleading ppl, but I think you did get the idea of what I meant by saying the self advertisement.
exactly what I was trying to say that they are coming from geek area, and they should not lose this while trying to sail into oceans.
Ok staying in the geek area is not that profitable at all for a large company, but forgetting it also is not a good way too.
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You know, in marketing theory, it`s even needed to have fanbase of market`s pioneers, but mobile area is to specific. You see it with apple. They going straight to the consumers, passing all the pioneers
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
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I'm assuming hox is HTC one x ?
Ads are very influential in certain ways for the mainstream. I remember seeing the ad for the sensation, with the little girl playing the piano, wondering what the point was. Samsung is doing very well at being the anti-Apple.
Another problem is that Samsung and lg make other products besides phones, which can influence their buying decisions, like TVs and washers. What else does HTC make?
I love HTC, but honestly, in a month or so, I'm picking up either an N4, or a GN2.
Sent from my HTC Sensation using Tapatalk 2
Its just the marketing, you all hate iPhone but that makes the most money does it run android no, but people still buy it you lot are not the average tech consumers. HTC is doing bad because of marketing due to the lack of spending money. They spent their money on the wrong things. You cannot compare apple and samsung to HTC, a smartphone manufacturer you idiots. Someone said they are not doing well because of the lack of sd card and s-off you must be seriously stupid. After reading all of these comments I can tell you all one thing business lessons didn't do you a favour did it. I'am a business student I have experience believe me it's just marketing and brand image.
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After service very suck in my country.
You can only sell me one time!
Repaire part very expensive!
Used to love this brand but not anymore.
Wifi problem,broken color in phone's body,USB problem,battery sucker.
No warranty cause unlocked bootloader but you never check my phone yet but only telling unlock you will never check anything.
Bye bye.
Zlotin said:
omfg, i even came to the laptop due posts in this thread...
It is only half of the truth. Yeah, the people like us are irl usually pioneers of technologies, but the half of us are nerds. I`m sorry, but it so. And those who are posting all 2 minutes in jb thread are the worst of them.
As for me, i allways recommend those phones, which pass to the person, whom I recommend it. And, if you believe or not, I do even recommend iPhone some times.
HTC is the manufacturer, who came from geek area and they are still trying not to loose those auditory. If they do it good is another question...
@mrbkkt1
Man, don`t You know, marketing and management are not only the ads?
Look, the worst move in my eyes was bringing hox so early to the end user. They could take one month extra and release it with a firmware equal to 2.17. In his first month, HOX was one of the worst phones out there: Screen Flickering, VERY bad battery times, many issues in perfomance...In most benchmarks it is still listed with old software, with newer builds it blows SGS3 and all other phones out there.
Another failure was to go after the slimness. I think, it was a wish of top managers, making the hox so slim and light. I would really LOVE my HOX, if it was 3mm thicker with 2300 battery. I would even pay extra, and the most non-emotional buyers would do it to, i think.
Sense is another point, where htc is in their own sh-t. The widgets are very nice, i even prefer the lock screen, but the notification and app drawers are far behind of ICS. They could save money or let programmers work on the new updates, instead of working on porting this crap. Although there are some really great features like get started...
So, like You can see, the problems are much deeper, than ads...
And You can`t say new HTCs are worse than the old ones. HTC Neo was a big fail in my eyes, Universal or Touch Cruise. They where all not good. But at the same time there was Blueangel, a masterpiece, or htc hd2...
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Maybe we are a small percentage of users...but as someone else mentioned, we do influence family and friends buying habits. Not only that but I've seen quite a few devs drop HTC devices for Samsung BECAUSE of the locked bootloaders.
There are 4 million xda users. If a small percentage of us influence others it does add up. All of these decisions add up.
Sent from somewhere....if I could only remember where....