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In Q4, 2011, Google intend to combine Honeycomb for tables and Gingerbread for smart phones into one universal OS. Ice Cream Sandwich.
Developers will be able to account for all form factors within this same version of the OS. This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release! The announcement has been made around the same time that Windows Phone manufacturers Microsoft announce a universal OS in the form of Windows 8, and Apple's iOS5, which means universal operating systems are the way of the future. But the question is, will the Defy get some?
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http://motoroladefy.com/index.php?/topic/247-ice-cream-sandwich-is-coming/
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-announces-ice-cream-sadwich-for-q4-2011-for-smartphones/
Guys I'm Really Excited!!!!!!!!!!
We may not even get Gingerbread (the leaked one is supposedly for developing for the defy2). I wouldn't get my hopes high for Icecream at all.
confusedfella said:
We may not even get Gingerbread (the leaked one is supposedly for developing for the defy2). I wouldn't get my hopes high for Icecream at all.
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no way man! telus just released a version of the defy a couple of months ago.we've got at least two more years of love coming!
i am hoping as well... but here in indonesia, not even gingerbread
There's absolutely no point in getting excited till there's even confirmation of getting Gingerbread.
Right, Q4 huh... so that's end of the year. Then add a few months of delays and small scale release, that's mid 2012. Then add a year on that for motorola being slowpokes with new releases.... that's mid 2013. I don't know about you, but as much as I love my defy I'll probably be having a new phone around then rather than getting excited over what will at that point already be old news.
SWAT AXEL said:
In Q4, 2011, Google intend to combine Honeycomb for tables and Gingerbread for smart phones into one universal OS. Ice Cream Sandwich.
Developers will be able to account for all form factors within this same version of the OS. This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release! The announcement has been made around the same time that Windows Phone manufacturers Microsoft announce a universal OS in the form of Windows 8, and Apple's iOS5, which means universal operating systems are the way of the future. But the question is, will the Defy get some?
Source:
http://motoroladefy.com/index.php?/topic/247-ice-cream-sandwich-is-coming/
Source:
http://www.engadget.com/2011/05/10/google-announces-ice-cream-sadwich-for-q4-2011-for-smartphones/
Guys I'm Really Excited!!!!!!!!!!
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I dont expect an official version of ice cream for my defy, Just hope Quarx or some other developer would be able to port i.. I'm sure my defy would be compatible for ice cream as well..
Cederic said:
Right, Q4 huh... so that's end of the year. Then add a few months of delays and small scale release, that's mid 2012. Then add a year on that for motorola being slowpokes with new releases.... that's mid 2013. I don't know about you, but as much as I love my defy I'll probably be having a new phone around then rather than getting excited over what will at that point already be old news.
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Man you said the right situation in motorola process , BUT even if they didn't release it for defy , they might unlock the bootloader, like samsung galaxy S2.
tAKE lOOK Here:
Samsung Sends Free Galaxy S2 To Hackers For Inspiration
According to the company, it has already sent a free Galaxy S2 to the CyanogenMod team as part of the plan.
http://www.itproportal.com/2011/06/13/samsung-sends-free-galaxy-s2-hackers-inspiration/#8
so i hope we can wait for something cool later time.
It's still possible, when CyanogenMod 8 comes...
Maybe this?
Ok so maybe Motorola will launch a new Defy. This time more powerful. So we will buy it and have that with running Android 4 and this one as an old phone with CM version of the new Android tweaked for it.
I personally use 2 phones. Primary smartphone Defy and secondly a phone only Nokia (no camera, radio, internet). But i would like using 2 smartphones. Actually that is the future. So in my case i can wait for a Defy2 and than keep this as well
Keep in mind that a smartphone's life is somewhere between 2-4 years. Battery/hardware and software wise . But who knows the Defy can prove even more resistant ....
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This seems to be the end of the OS fragmentation that has plagued the Android system since its release!
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The current fragmentation issue has nothing to do with Tablet and Handset form factors. I understood fragmentation is about manufacturers putting too much layers on top of OS to make their own version of Android i.e. Sense, TouchWhiz, Motorla, and so on.
User experience is a science, now imagine how much damage these manufacturers do to an OS that no one would want to learn how to use them. That is why many people would want to use handsets from the same manufacturer. Android introduced a new market and after few years everyone involved realising the cons and pros of it as no one had the experience working in such market model before.
My prediction is... Most manufacturers will give up putting their own layers for three main reasons:
1. Manufactures eventually can't catch up with the progress of Android's development and it would become a complex and expensive process to have.
2. The cost of hardware will significantly will be reduced, that means smaller manufactures giving stock Android start stealing market from the big boys.
3. Future Android versions would become rich in user experience that the cost of putting layers on top of already a rich interface is no longer justifiable.
and hopefully with this, release of OS will be much faster due to the more vanilla usage of Android instead of each company spending time and money on 'fragmenting' the OS....and devs like the MIUI and CM guys (plus all the other solo devs) can start porting it over much faster and easier.....and leave the fragmenting and customising to the community!
true
but if each developer releasing their own os like miui and cmd and etc you will never have stability in the os.
thats why i always stick to the official os.
((consider Camera issues and AGps fixes plus notworking parts in os properly))
Ice Cream Sandwich will be released this October/November.. There's even a Nexus S shipped on EBay which has ICS!!!!! Here it is!!: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3Pb6IyFvfg&feature=player_embedded
I'm really hoping to see it on Motorola Defy!!
Btw I noticed that all Android versions have a codename based on deserts..
Cupcake 1.5
Donut 1.6
Eclair (a cake) 2.1
Froyo (frozen yogurt) 2.2
Gingerbread 2.3
Honeycomb 3.0
Ice Cream Sandwich 2.4/4.0
lol
I think there will be a custom rom, but i don´t think we get it official.
Sorry for my bad English!
Julian
I don't think T-Mobile US Defy owners will ever see an official Gingerbread update, or anyone else for that matter.
Why would Motorola put one out when Defy+ is here? Defy team was moved to working on Defy+ long ago, that's why we still have a buggy official Froyo. They're just not working on Defy any longer.
They re-released the Defy calling it a Defy+ for the sake of a Gingerbread update. What makes you think they wont do the same for ICS. And ofcourse the Defy wont even get Gingerbread forget ICS.
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there is no question of getting official GB update in future. But I m sure there will be CM8 for defy
Anyway, CM8 sounds way better than a crappy ICS released by Motorola .
cannot w8 4 the ICS . even if our defy will not get an ICS update i'll buy a new phone
Even though Galaxy Nexus is no more officialy supported by Google and stuck at Android 4.3, KitKat Roms emerged quickly and evolve rapidly - thanks to our crazy devs!!! :victory: So how you all handling this? Still at 4.3... already jumped to a 4.4 rom?
I know it took a long way for 4.3 roms to reach that point where everything works near perfect and I think that Cataclysm or SlimBean are such examples. So, some will prefer the comfort of this instead of jumping into the unknown and start dealing with bugs and the trial and error procedure???
As I write this Android 4.4.2 is rolling to newer Nexus devices, my new Nexus 7 already running this and something tells me, since none of the factory images for 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 are officialy on google's page, that another update maybe coming soon. Since our phone is not officialy supported, devs will strugle merging new code to their sources and adapting it for gnex. How do you see this evolving?
To end this, it's been 2 years after the release of GNEX and our forum still is in the top 5 list. Quite impressive if you ask me. Tell that to Google... Galaxy Nexus is a legendary phone even though it's not the sharpest out there. And I am sure its "endurance" over time, will make it even more legendary!
PS: Working on a cool Zooper Skin. Will let u know when it's out!
It will continue, but the gnex population will gradually move on. The new incomers will not likely join at the rate the existing users leave to upgrade to a new device.
If it's any indication, Nexus One and Nexus S development are still continuing and they are older than the Galaxy Nexus. At some point when newer android versions get too resource intensive (KK tried to improve the memory management) then we will start seeing users preferring to stick with an older version.
I will continue with my Galaxy nexus and I'm still very happy with it especially so because of the talented developers here at XDA. I'm currently using the 4.4 KK rom : [ROM] [UNOFFICIAL] CyanogenMod 11 for the Samsung Galaxy Nexus with gapps 20131207. This ROM is now my daily driver and I won't be going back to 4.3 :good:
Thanks for this post, I'll subscribe!
myself, I've been thinking of sticking with Cataclysm for a while. But can I ask those who already use a 4.4 rom if they noticed any signifcant improvement on battery life or multitasking?
wrong thread. sorry
itasoulas said:
Even though Galaxy Nexus is no more officialy supported by Google and stuck at Android 4.3, KitKat Roms emerged quickly and evolve rapidly - thanks to our crazy devs!!! :victory: So how you all handling this? Still at 4.3... already jumped to a 4.4 rom?
I know it took a long way for 4.3 roms to reach that point where everything works near perfect and I think that Cataclysm or SlimBean are such examples. So, some will prefer the comfort of this instead of jumping into the unknown and start dealing with bugs and the trial and error procedure???
As I write this Android 4.4.2 is rolling to newer Nexus devices, my new Nexus 7 already running this and something tells me, since none of the factory images for 4.4.1 and 4.4.2 are officialy on google's page, that another update maybe coming soon. Since our phone is not officialy supported, devs will strugle merging new code to their sources and adapting it for gnex. How do you see this evolving?
To end this, it's been 2 years after the release of GNEX and our forum still is in the top 5 list. Quite impressive if you ask me. Tell that to Google... Galaxy Nexus is a legendary phone even though it's not the sharpest out there. And I am sure its "endurance" over time, will make it even more legendary!
PS: Working on a cool Zooper Skin. Will let u know when it's out!
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I'm not one to sit by idly and wait for confirmation of a stable new Android version. When 4.4 was released I flashed it right away. Whats the fun in not "jumping into the unknown"?
I dont think small updates are that hard for developers to merge into our current builds. We are already on 4.4.1 and I'm sure that 4.4.2 will be on our devices soon as well.
KitKat has been running great on my device. I dont know of any issues we have now that havent been fixed yet.
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I'm not one to sit by idly and wait for confirmation of a stable new Android version. Wn 4.4 was released I flashed it right away. Whats the fun in not "jumping into the unknown"?
I dont think small updates are that hard for developers to merge into our current builds. We are already on 4.4.1 and I'm sure that 4.4.2 will be on our devices soon as well.
KitKat has been running great on my device. I dont know of any issues we have now that havent been fixed yet.
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Well...my GPS could be better. I'm seeing at best 30ft accuracy with about 8 satellites locked in with pretty low SNR values.
Im still on 4.3, Slimbean. Waiting for Slimkat to evolve just a litle bit more :good:
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Well...my GPS could be better. I'm seeing at best 30ft accuracy with about 8 satellites locked in with pretty low SNR values.
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I haven't had any issues with GPS. It pinpoints pretty fast for me.
And by the way, cyanogenmod just updated us to 4.4.2.
I will be continuing to use my Galaxy Nexus until the 'Nexus 6', it can totally hold up to most of the competition. Currently using the last 4.4.1 Galaxy Nexus Maguro CM11 ROM with ASKP/Franco/Mpokang/Fancy/Stock kernel.
out of curiosity,
is there no ported android 5 (L) coming or is available for the m8?
Not yet. I wouldn't get you hopes up too high for it coming any time soon, it might be a while. Once full source is released we might see partially functioning aosp based versions pour in. Other than that, I'd say cm and other aosp roms have got a long way to go. Same story with sense. But no one knows for sure what google and HTCs plans are so I'm just speaking based off of speculation and past experiences. Expect many "L" themes though
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http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...oid-l-to-m8-and-m7-within-90-days-of-release/
just give HTC about 90 days from source release and we will get official Android L :victory:
assuming L comes in November with the new Nexus, then given the 90 day guarantee from HTC, expect an official OTA by February. they lived up to their promise for the M7 owners this year for 4.4 kitkat.
Samsung have disappointed me with updates for a while now. I'm ditching Samsung from my note 3 after 4 and 5 have failed to impress. I'm considering the nexus 6 2015 but this new Sony has caught my eye. What are Sony like for updates on unlocked phones?
How much wait is there between a new android version and sony releasing theirs generally. Do they have a set policy on how long they support device updates.
Thanks
What do you mean by "unlocked" phones? Do you mean phones with their bootloader unlocked (which you can still update via Sony's own Flash Tool or carrier-unlocked phones?
The wait between a new Android version and Sony releasing it has improved significantly through the years. This is, in my opinion, largely due to them no longer loading as many propriety software on their phones and keeping as close to AOSP as possible.
And no, there is no set policy on how long they support device updates. But if you refer to a recent official statement on Lollipop 5.1 rollout, you'll notice that they included the Xperia Z, which was released back in Feb 2013.
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What do you mean by "unlocked" phones? Do you mean phones with their bootloader unlocked (which you can still update via Sony's own Flash Tool or carrier-unlocked phones?
The wait between a new Android version and Sony releasing it has improved significantly through the years. This is, in my opinion, largely due to them no longer loading as many propriety software on their phones and keeping as close to AOSP as possible.
And no, there is no set policy on how long they support device updates. But if you refer to a recent official statement on Lollipop 5.1 rollout, you'll notice that they included the Xperia Z, which was released back in Feb 2013.
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I meant carrier unlocked. I'll buy sim free whatever I choose.
Thanks for that info.
How soon is significantly?
My note 3 took until around june/july to get lolipop, even then it's full of bugs with no 5.1 in sight.
Sony began its rollout of 5.0 in mid-March: http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/03...lollipop-rollout-xperia-z3-xperia-z3-compact/ in certain markets, and continued to do so in batches in end-March, early-April and finally early-June for the older Xperia Z.
My Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition is still (officially) on 4.4.2. Doubt it'll ever get to lick a lollipop.
Sony is notoriously slow to update.
Sony is not slower than the others, and my z3 compact got updated directly to 5.0.2 though I don't really remember (March/April) when that happened and got updated to 5.1.1 around late July. Having had an s5 at the same time, I find them more reliable than Samsung as far as updates are concerned. And flashing a different official firmware to get updated quicker is really easy too.
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Also my old Z1 still gets the updates just a few weeks after my z3c.
Been with Sony since K series years ago. I have to disagree. They are usually last to the table. Plus their rollout structure is archaic. One region at a time for up to six weeks, ridiculous.
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Been with Sony since K series years ago. I have to disagree. They are usually last to the table. Plus their rollout structure is archaic. One region at a time for up to six weeks, ridiculous.
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I've been using Sony devices since K750 and they have improved when it comes to update rollouts. In my own experience, Samsung is the slowest to roll out, given the mind-bogging number of models they have. Like I mentioned earlier, my Samsung Note 10.1 2014 edition hasn't even seen Lollipop yet and I doubt it will ever be rolled out for my device.
My Z1 has gotten more than 5 updates and its still on version A that means that its still gonna get updated to newer version, i have to say they have improved really really much in these last few years ! they have really started to update more and for bit older flagships too ! for me id say when google relases update, then 2-3 months and sony relases and update comes to my phone about a week after that. im on nordic region (sim free ofc) but i heard there are some delays on some regions, could be 4 weeks even. Carriers are always slow to convert, good thing they dont do that in here !
Having owned the Z3 on T-Mobile, I personally won't buy another Sony device unless the bootloader is unlocked/unlockable. To pay that big of a premium is one thing, but to pay it on a locked device is another. Fool me once....
ShermCraig said:
Having owned the Z3 on T-Mobile, I personally won't buy another Sony device unless the bootloader is unlocked/unlockable. To pay that big of a premium is one thing, but to pay it on a locked device is another. Fool me once....
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if you even think about unlocking your bootloader, why do you buy variants ? i always buy sim free unlocked phone !
NExus factory images live today. We are suppse to get it but end of this year or start of next. Is anyone out there planning on porting this maybe to both models of our phone? Im on Z008 Just curious
cell2011 said:
NExus factory images live today. We are suppse to get it but end of this year or start of next. Is anyone out there planning on porting this maybe to both models of our phone? Im on Z008 Just curious
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If the source code isn't released we can't do anything. So it's probably not even the dev's fault as much as it is Google's.
All we can do is wait.
cell2011 said:
NExus factory images live today. We are suppse to get it but end of this year or start of next. Is anyone out there planning on porting this maybe to both models of our phone? Im on Z008 Just curious
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Hate to be the bearer of bad news...
Ports assume the two devices (the base device, and the one to port to) are very similar (same chipset, et cetera). A good example (I used to use HTC) is the Sensation was a very good base for the MyTouch 4G Slide (they even shared the same battery design/size).
Unfortunately the Zenfone 2 and either of the new Nexus devices are worlds apart from each other. They don't share the same architecture, let alone chipset. We would be better off piggybacking off the work of the ASUS Fonepad 7 FE375CG (Z3560 Chipset) or the Asus Memo Pad 8 ME581CL (Z3580) - but in reality, in terms of updates - it's more likely we would be the base for those devices in a few months time.
Sorry.
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If the source code isn't released we can't do anything. So it's probably not even the dev's fault as much as it is Google's.
All we can do is wait.
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That's right, all we can do is wait, then build from source once available.
Porting has it's place, but it can be a gong-show.
Source already available
We should wait for devs to build it ?
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Source already available
We should wait for devs to build it ?
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AOSP is available, but now we have to wait to have CM13 in a manageable state. I don't imagine cpalmer and jrior001 will put on the brakes with CM12.1 to build straight from AOSP.
ROMe wasn't built in a day, and it will be months before CyanogenMod will be able to have the AOSP source modified for the new CM13 and reach the coveted milestone one.
Yap, waiting for you too @joel.maxuel for working on it
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Yap, waiting for you too @joel.maxuel for working on it
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Why am I being thrown under the bus? :silly:
In all seriousness, if CarbonROM continues to base their stuff off of CM (which I heard talk of that changing), this time around they may be once again months behind CM in terms of an official product (e.g, none of their devices have hit official status yet this round, or at least as of last night).
Not to speak ill of course, which is why I am curious of the route that does not involve basing off of CyanogenMod.
No guarantees with my involvement to 6.0, but I am interested in the job. I just can't predict what my life demands are going to be like in the spring (time seems tight right now, but I manage).
My short and medium term plans is to keep the 5.1 builds going, hopefully even after Carbon calls it quits for this branch to focus on the new one. The only possible things stopping me are:
Carbon leaves lp5.1.1 branch perfect, meaning I don't even have to do monthlies anymore (also means no future security issues)
CyanogenMod breaks their sources badly (has happened recently when Carbon couldn't keep up)
I get the official stock 6.0 image which ends up breaking modem usage - leaving me unable to properly downgrade to 5.1 to test
It feels like with this plan, someone is going to beat me to the punch by building a CarbonROM mm-6.0 ahead of me. Which is why at some point, I will (probably) be doing builds in parallel. But we shall see when we get there.
Just read this: http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/android-6-0-marshmallow-thoroughly-reviewed/
Doesn't seem much for us CM12.1 users to get very excited about anyway. Material design not changed from Lollipop, Google Now launcher already updated with the changes, selectable app permissions already included in CM12.1 via Privacy Guard, fingerprint api and 4K display stuff irrelevant to our zenfones...
Personally, I think a stable CM12.1 (5.1.1) build is more important. In fact, the unofficial build we already have is stable and very nearly there, but I would rather see the last few kinks ironed out and official status before any time is put into 6.0
Most importantly, it should support 64bit for the z00a. Any news on this?
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The next month, asus update android 5.1 for zenfine 2, maybe 6.0 ? I don't know this,