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2 quirks
1) sometimes when entering my PIN on voicemail, the screen just blanks out - it doesn't happen every time but probably 1 out of 3 times. I tested dialing 611 and entering digits and it never happens
2) Flipping screens on widgets or apps, sometimes it doesn't move to the next screen. I have to make sure my finger goes all the way to the right of the screen to flip it to the next page. Not sure if this has anything to do with the XO skin protector I put on but don't recollect this problem started right after I installed the protector
Any of you guys seen this?
What version of ICS you have on your phone, custom rom etc..? Also GSM or Verizon?
I notice sometimes the screen goes off when talking on phone, and it doesn't come back on when I move it away from my face (like it's supposed to right?).
Also I just tested flipping pages in the browsing all apps/widgets, and I only have to slide my finger as little as a half inch, to flip pages. However if you do this slowly it will not flip pages, so it depends on the speed to slide and let go of the screen. This is also true for the launcher, flipping screens. So not sure why this would be happening to you?? I also have a screen protector as well (cheap dry application one $1.99 from ebay)
Try turning off the screen next time if happens and then back on and see if it goes back to normal behavior...? Does the phone accurately follow your finger completely? If not it might be some hardware issue with the touchscreen. If it doesn't then I would definitely remove your screen protector and test for the issue.
is there an app i can use to test if the screen is following my finger properly?
verizon and using stock os (rooted it of course)
sam008 said:
is there an app i can use to test if the screen is following my finger properly?
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It's built in, just go to settings, developer options, show touches (check this)
It will show a small circle following where your finger is touching.
Also there is an even better setting above that called "show pointer location" Which will draw a line showing where you have been touching the screen.
Working fine
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Strange, is this something new to ICS 4.0.3? Can anyone else confirm? I've only used 4.0.2 and 4.0.1.
If its following your finger accurately the only thing that would make sense to me is the ROM or kernel/drivers...??
i'm on 4.0.2 with verizon - there aren't any other updates available when i check
sam008 said:
i'm on 4.0.2 with verizon - there aren't any other updates available when i check
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Ah for some reason I thought 4.0.3 was already pushed out to Verizon Galaxy Nexus phones, turns out that is not the case... ignore what I said earlier about it being associated with 4.0.2 I guess..
If you really want to get this fixed one suggestion would be to back up your phone (nandroid and/or titanium backup), and do a factory reset... if the page flipping issue goes away then you can at least isolate it the issue a little better...
I'm curious to see exactly the extent of the page/screen flipping issue you have, if you have the means, and have some time to blow, make a youtube video of the issue in action and maybe it will be a little clearer to see whats happening...
Problem summary
Known cause (might be others): selecting an app from the Recents list (Task Switcher)
Temporary fix: turn the screen off, then back on
Workaround: avoid using Recents list (you can use a 3rd party task switcher instead)
How to test: open Messaging, hit Home, hit Recents, select Messaging from the list. Your screen will be less sensitive until you turn the screen off and back on. You can view the pressure by going to Settings -> Developer Options -> turn on Pointer Location. This will allow you to see the Prs of each tap in your status bar. Normally your lightest taps that register will show anywhere from 0.28 to 0.32. However, after this bug is activated, you will mostly get values over 0.40 for your light taps. This is actually a very noticeable increase, especially when trying to type quickly.
Please report any other known methods to "activate" this bug. After re-assigning my Recents button to a 3rd party app (I'm using Simple Task Switcher), I haven't seen this bug at all. It seems that a couple of people have seen it produced by something other than Recents, but they haven't narrowed it down (or reliably reproduced it on purpose).
Please star this issue officially so Google can fix:
Link is http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=29734
Note: Downloading & using Screen filter application from play store, with brightness set to
Your hands are really dirty or really dry. Try moisturizer or something.
Been using my screen for almost hour straight now. No issues.
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Hehe yes this s gonna be a difficult one to confirm. But it is definitely not dirty hands. To clarify, a quick press of the power button to lock then unlock completely fixes the issue. Same fingers suddenly register perfectly. This is driving me nuts as the phone is not even usable right now. Literally.
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Been using my screen for almost hour straight now. No issues.
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ios 6.2 doesnt get issues.
I don't know about your other experiences, but as far as the browser goes I have the same scrolling effects as you do. I think this is how it is meant to be. They tightened the scrolling a lot and I kinda like it. Before one small flick would send me across the whole page, which was kinda annoying. Just my preference.
I'm not having this problem. It would drive me crazy too. Been using my phone alot over the past two days and I didn't run into this problem even after almost 1h of continuous surfing. Also a few checkpoints of Shadowgun didn't trigger it.
But you can confirm your problem if you enable "cursor position" in the dev options (hope that's what it 's called in english). "Prs" and "Size" should need a lot more than around 0.30-0.40 to register your touch if you have the problem you describe.
I am sorry that you're experiencing this, but 4.0.4 has nothing to do with this. 4.0.4 is just software, Galaxy Nexus is not a pressure-sensitive device, it is merely touch-sensitive. Which means that software gets an analogue signal from the touchscreen, either 1 or 0. It has no 'range' of sensitivity, so it cannot decrease in sensitivity in software (if it did, then it would not work at all).
This is entirely hardware issue and I suggest either making sure your screen is clean, your screen protection thing (if you use one) isn't acting up or if your hardware has become faulty (have you dropped it recently?).
If problem persists then return under warranty.
My wife had this issue once.
It was the third party launcher she was using.
I don't think its a matter of touch sensitivity dropping, its a matter of the system just being too slow to really work right.
It was ADW EX, fwiw.
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I am sorry that you're experiencing this, but 4.0.4 has nothing to do with this. 4.0.4 is just software, Galaxy Nexus is not a pressure-sensitive device, it is merely touch-sensitive. Which means that software gets an analogue signal from the touchscreen, either 1 or 0. It has no 'range' of sensitivity, so it cannot decrease in sensitivity in software (if it did, then it would not work at all).
This is entirely hardware issue and I suggest either making sure your screen is clean, your screen protection thing (if you use one) isn't acting up or if your hardware has become faulty (have you dropped it recently?).
If problem persists then return under warranty.
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Lol that is hilarious. You forgot the step where its the OS that actually processes the input data, so in that process, a ton of problems can arise.
And personally, since 4.0.4 I have also been experiencing a "similar" issue. When scrolling down (and only down), I experience a kind of "lag" like if it only registers the swipe movement half an inch lower. Its not a big deal, but still an issue.
Edit : What he explains as "pressing very hard" is most likely the fact that when you press harder you actually cover more surface, so the amount of extra input data can definitely impact the behavior.
I had issues for a few hours after the 4.0.4 update, where my softkey buttons weren't responding. Thankfully, it seems to be fine now, but it was a cause for concern.
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I'm not having this problem. It would drive me crazy too. Been using my phone alot over the past two days and I didn't run into this problem even after almost 1h of continuous surfing. Also a few checkpoints of Shadowgun didn't trigger it.
But you can confirm your problem if you enable "cursor position" in the dev options (hope that's what it 's called in english). "Prs" and "Size" should need a lot more than around 0.30-0.40 to register your touch if you have the problem you describe.
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Thank you my friend, I should have thought of this; now I have numbers to confirm this. So with cursor option enabled I can get down to 0.30, managed 0.28 once. However when the bug starts, I can confirm that I cannot get below 0.60. It just refuses to register that input for some reason.
I lock the screen, 1 second is all it takes, and now it registers down to 0.30 again and all touch works properly. Its almost like some type of memory leak issue is the way it feels to me. It only starts happening after a few min of use.
Its definitely an issue now that I can see the pressure numbers. The question is what the hell can I do about it. I flashed aokp29 with the latest 4.0.4 ota merged in, problem still occurs. I'm gonna try stock 4.0.2 or 4.0.1 just to see. Thanks.
I have never had much luck upgrading Linux versions. That's why I start fresh every time with Android. Lol
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Before I start digging, anyone know specifically which driver controls the touch input? I'll try looking thru github.
Also I was on stock 4.0.1 prior to this. So this could be normal behavior for everyone but everybody is used to it since nobody stayed on 4.0.1 like me. Cause I can easily say this is difficult to notice if you aren't paying attention. The question is, why does locking the screen temporarily change it back...
I can confirm some of what you are saying..sometimes when I'm browsing the scrolling tightens up..I lock the phone then unlock it and it is smooth again..doesn't happen all the time tho..doesn't bother me but I've noticed it
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I can also confirm. This morning I found the Swiftkey was lagging on Facebook. Something like the phone did not receive the touch. Then I rebooted and now it is ok.
I did not get this issue on 4.0.2 and I don't install anything new on 4.0.4.
The way I installed 4.0.4 was from the official factory image, so my phone is fresh! I reinstalled all apps manually as well. Nothing fancy apps.
I know this is my first post, but I can definitely confirm this issue.
I use my Galaxy Nexus for development, so the screen is always on. The sensitivity goes down very quickly.
My phone was an International GNEX that I loaded the US firmware on and then I flashed the OTA 4.0.4 update.
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I am sorry that you're experiencing this, but 4.0.4 has nothing to do with this. 4.0.4 is just software, Galaxy Nexus is not a pressure-sensitive device, it is merely touch-sensitive. Which means that software gets an analogue signal from the touchscreen, either 1 or 0. It has no 'range' of sensitivity, so it cannot decrease in sensitivity in software (if it did, then it would not work at all).
This is entirely hardware issue and I suggest either making sure your screen is clean, your screen protection thing (if you use one) isn't acting up or if your hardware has become faulty (have you dropped it recently?).
If problem persists then return under warranty.
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Just to point out, the phone is all digital. It does not get an analog signal from touching the screen. Also to that point you said analog but then described digital with the 1 and 0
Has anyone affected tried going between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4? To check the possibility of a driver or some related value changing.
Also, if not fixed by going back to 4.0.2, this could be due to current leakage from somewhere causing the touch to not work properly. I've seen it on other capacitive touch devices, though mainly when a non-compatible charger is connected. When you shut the screen off, the charge causing the problem/interference with the touch is temporarily dissapated, but then comes back after you use it again. Probably very unlikely in this case, unless Google changed something in the touch driver that makes it more sensitive to interference, which in turn messes with actual input from fingers.
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Has anyone affected tried going between 4.0.2 and 4.0.4? To check the possibility of a driver or some related value changing.
Also, if not fixed by going back to 4.0.2, this could be due to current leakage from somewhere causing the touch to not work properly. I've seen it on other capacitive touch devices, though mainly when a non-compatible charger is connected. When you shut the screen off, the charge causing the problem/interference with the touch is temporarily dissapated, but then comes back after you use it again. Probably very unlikely in this case, unless Google changed something in the touch driver that makes it more sensitive to interference, which in turn messes with actual input from fingers.
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Its possible. I was on 4.0.1 so perhaps this issue originated in 4.0.2 but I never noticed since I didn't update then. I can add that I did multiple wipes and clean flashes, and also tried both aokp 28 and 29 (new 4.0.4 ota merged), and happened on both.
I'll post what I just sent to arbiter which gives more insight.
From my extra testing under normal use my light touches register 0.28-0.33. Especially on swipes, the end of the swipe registers 0.28 as the finger travel breaks contact with the screen giving that swipe extra input which pushes the swipe motion further extra boost. When the bug starts the touch swipe won't even break 0.38-0.40, and that extra swipe data is lost resulting in the end of the swipe data points being excluded and swipes travel half the distance.
This gets exacerbated on the keyboard when fast typing light pressed. Its so bad it frustrates my face off cause typing just ceases to be possible. Such a difficult issue to diagnose.
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Yes my face literally flew off!
Okay this has bugged the heck out of me for ages, maybe someone knows the answer to it.
The top notification bar (and sometimes the row underneath in certain apps) sometimes is completely unpressable, as if it's being blocked. I should note this happens on my Note 7, but has also occurred on my Note 3, my old S2 and even the S7. Which makes me think it must be a setting I choose, or an app I install.
Sometimes, I'll turn on my phone, go past the lock screen and I won't be able to drag the notification bar down. I found a workaround (which has worked on all my old phones).
- Turn the phone off
- Turn it back on
- On the lock screen try to drag the notification bar down (which doesn't do anything)
- Unlock the phone
- Then it works again!!
My mrs had this too, and my workaround fixed it.
This issue has spanned over multiple versions of Android and is now doing my head in.
Any ideas?
Some app overlay is on top of it such as: Flux, blue light filter, and things like that. Once disable the issue is gone. That might be your issue.
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Okay this has bugged the heck out of me for ages, maybe someone knows the answer to it.
The top notification bar (and sometimes the row underneath in certain apps) sometimes is completely unpressable, as if it's being blocked. I should note this happens on my Note 7, but has also occurred on my Note 3, my old S2 and even the S7. Which makes me think it must be a setting I choose, or an app I install.
Sometimes, I'll turn on my phone, go past the lock screen and I won't be able to drag the notification bar down. I found a workaround (which has worked on all my old phones).
- Turn the phone off
- Turn it back on
- On the lock screen try to drag the notification bar down (which doesn't do anything)
- Unlock the phone
- Then it works again!!
My mrs had this too, and my workaround fixed it.
This issue has spanned over multiple versions of Android and is now doing my head in.
Any ideas?
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I would place a 90% bet on this being a carried over app problem. Have you tried a fresh reset and reproduced the problem?
Have you also tried the service test for Touch ans S Pen? *#0*#
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Some app overlay is on top of it such as: Flux, blue light filter, and things like that. Once disable the issue is gone. That might be your issue.
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I thought as much. I used to have Twilight installed but I deleted it and it hasn't solved my issue!
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I would place a 90% bet on this being a carried over app problem. Have you tried a fresh reset and reproduced the problem?
Have you also tried the service test for Touch ans S Pen? *#0*#
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I think so too. One example I have an issue with is the offscreen memo function. I pull the stylus out and can write on the screen off, but the row of buttons along the top NEVER work! But, I should say on a hard reset it was fine until all the apps were installed and logged into, or a setting was put in place. The service test for S Pen and Touch works perfectly. All I can think is trying to install 1 app at a time, and seeing what happens as a result. Will be painful with 100+ apps though. I'm about to replace my N7 on the recall too so I want to hold off on a hard reset too.
I feel your pain, if it were me I would rather discover the erroneous app now than later. Perhaps a backup via smartswitch on PC (very fast over USB 3) and when you know which app restore the backup and delete the app accordingly?
alltaken123 said:
I feel your pain, if it were me I would rather discover the erroneous app now than later. Perhaps a backup via smartswitch on PC (very fast over USB 3) and when you know which app restore the backup and delete the app accordingly?
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By pure luck. I found it. 3 years of pain and I nailed the bugger! Something you said triggered a thought process.
It was....
Cerberus security! An app that automatically hides itself from the draw once it's installed so usually never crossed my mind.
Disabling the "Block Status bar" feature in Cerberus fixed it.
PHEW!!!!!!!!!!! Thanks for this (both of you).
good for you!
I emailed Joying again yesterday to ask about UL128N2, and they responded by adding the unit to their webpages and accepting orders.
Canada website (Canadian $):
http://www.joying.ca/best-joying-ne...t-pip-sleep-model-bluetooth-4-0-dab-obd2.html
Global website (US $):
https://www.carjoying.com/new-andro...h-4-0-gps-navigation-professional-head-u.html
and the website is down. As usual.
If the website isn't down, it's their forum. Sigh.
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and the website is down. As usual.
If the website isn't down, it's their forum. Sigh.
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Well its back up now. Or at least its working for me.
Sometimes international routing through the great firewall can be a bit.... spotty.
Has anyone bought already?
Is it better than the ones with bezel and volume knob?
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Has anyone bought already?
Is it better than the ones with bezel and volume knob?
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My two units arrived. Played with one of them on the kitchen table late last night.
The row of capacitive buttons are thoroughly pointless -- touches to them don't register at all if your finger doesn't touch it absolutely perfectly.
Having said that, I like them better than the one with the knobs, for the reason I've already mentioned to you -- the lack of deep bezels.
Better? It is definitely a matter of preference. I don't need the capacitive button row, so that doesn't bother me at all.
Note: they have this weird dot thing stuck in the UI as configured by default. Touching the dot brings up a set of buttons -- back, home, menu, etc. So.... CHINA. Obviously, unless you have AT LEAST three copies (SystemUI header bar, row of buttons, the weird dot thing, steering wheel controls) of every button, somebody is going to miss it. Fortunately, there is a control application in the application menu that allows you to disable the stupid dot.
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My two units arrived. Played with one of them on the kitchen table late last night.
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I am sitting on the fence with this purchase, any-chance you could do a video review with these units?
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My two units arrived. Played with one of them on the kitchen table late last night.
The row of capacitive buttons are thoroughly pointless -- touches to them don't register at all if your finger doesn't touch it absolutely perfectly.
Having said that, I like them better than the one with the knobs, for the reason I've already mentioned to you -- the lack of deep bezels.
Better? It is definitely a matter of preference. I don't need the capacitive button row, so that doesn't bother me at all.
Note: they have this weird dot thing stuck in the UI as configured by default. Touching the dot brings up a set of buttons -- back, home, menu, etc. So.... CHINA. Obviously, unless you have AT LEAST three copies (SystemUI header bar, row of buttons, the weird dot thing, steering wheel controls) of every button, somebody is going to miss it. Fortunately, there is a control application in the application menu that allows you to disable the stupid dot.
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That dot was terrible. I also disabled it immediately, thankfully they gave an easy option to turn it off, unlike many of the other things that are obfuscated(such as disclosing to owners the hardware keycombo to boot into recovery).
Upon receiving my unit the capacitive buttons weren't always responding even when pressed perfectly, but after holding down RST till reboot they haven't had the issue again.
When inquiring about a larger touch area for the capacitive buttons I got "Hi friend, Nice day Yes, you can choose the bigger or small touch area in below settings:" with this picture attached.
Increasing the delta values in Settings of the Key Study app doesn't seem to do a whole lot but I think the trigger area is a bit bigger. Unfortunately the border values are for the entire touch screen not per button area.
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I am sitting on the fence with this purchase, any-chance you could do a video review with these units?
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No. I don't do video.
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That dot was terrible. I also disabled it immediately, thankfully they gave an easy option to turn it off, unlike many of the other things that are obfuscated(such as disclosing to owners the hardware keycombo to boot into recovery).
Upon receiving my unit the capacitive buttons weren't always responding even when pressed perfectly, but after holding down RST till reboot they haven't had the issue again.
When inquiring about a larger touch area for the capacitive buttons I got "Hi friend, Nice day Yes, you can choose the bigger or small touch area in below settings:" with this picture attached.
Increasing the delta values in Settings of the Key Study app doesn't seem to do a whole lot but I think the trigger area is a bit bigger. Unfortunately the border values are for the entire touch screen not per button area.
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That one looks like the buttons (and their corresponding areas) are considerably larger than with the 7". They are surprisingly small on this! I might see if I can disable them altogether, since I suspect that it would likely interfere with "slide finger in from left" gestures.
Ok, so got the thing installed last night.
Well, sortof.
Seems that China can't make up its mind regarding how far the front of the radio sticks forward relative to the mounting holes. So my first attempt to mount it resulted in the radio's face sticking so far forward that my DDIN face plate wouldn't have been able to make it down to the dashboard.... assuming that the holes fit. More on that later.
Second attempt, I moved the radio back to the next set of holes on the mounting bracket, which are a bit more than 1/2" behind the holes that I had the UL135 mounted with. Ok, well depth is *better*, but now a bit too far back. Middle of the night, so as long as I can use the thing to route my way to work in the morning, I'm ok with that. Maybe on the weekend, I'll drill another set of holes about half way between the two sets I tried so far. That should line it up OK.
So the DDIN sizing. Another thing that China can't make up its mind on. The UL135 fit in the Toyota Tacoma Metra dash kit... very snugly in horizontal direction, roughly 1mm clearance in the vertical direction. This UL128N2 is about 2-3 mm too big to fit in that dash kit in BOTH directions. They *claimed* the UL135 to be 100mm x 178mm. They *claim* the UL128N2 to be 102mm x 178mm. I will tell you that the UL128N2 is WIDER than the UL135, despite the claimed equal width. And given the 2mm (actually more) increase in height and that I had at least 1mm of available vertical space, I *should* have been able to force it in. NOPE. The difference is much greater than that, and in both directions. If the UL135 really is 100mm x 178mm, then the UL128N2 is probably 104mm x 180mm. WHY? Oh, the reason is absolutely HILARIOUS, it is because they have a thin plastic ring around the glass digitizer. They ordered the GLASS to have dimensions matching the DDIN target, but didn't compensate for the thin (~1mm) plastic ring around it! Very typical of the way that China manufacturing works. Ok, so I was able to grab a file and open up the dash kit a little bit to make it fit, and now its ok.
So next up... actual functionality.
First observation; the AM radio frequency standard is set to something that is most decidedly NOT North American standard. The closest frequency I could get to my preferred station was off by 2 kHz. While it was adequate to get the station and understand, without TYPICALLY an overabundance of noise or added sound from the next station over, it definitely sounds bad. Thanks so much China, for giving me a well working AM radio tuner! With any luck, I'll be able to hack the program to tune the proper frequencies.
On the physical utility of the unit, when you look past the "size" issue, its not bad. As expected, the screen is much more convenient without the deep bezel around it as the UL135 had. In order to achieve this, they replaced the physical control buttons with a row of capacitive buttons. Those buttons are pretty well useless, you can't reliably press them without focusing carefully on them. That is what is often called "distracted driving". I would go so far as to say that this row of buttons is DANGEROUS to try to use. Not only that, but the row of buttons is ***COMPLETELY REDUNDANT***. After all, they are just duplicates of the home/back/volume buttons that are already present on the SystemUI upper panel anyway, and, of course, the STEERING WHEEL BUTTONS (for those who have them hooked up). Why did they even bother to include that row of buttons? Because.... CHINA! Oh well.
Next up; there are some serious bugs when it comes to AUDIO ROUTING. If the radio is playing, and GPS voice comes on; radio mutes. Oh, it STAYS muted until you go BACK into the radio application, which seems to trigger a reset of the audio routing. This improved once I set google maps as the default nav application, now it just volumes down the radio to "pretend" to play the GPS sounds, and volumes it back up after.
Well, starting with the "included" ancient version of google maps... while it does make sound, it gets clipped by about 3 seconds at the start of the sound. So you miss about the first 3 seconds of the instruction. Update google maps to the latest version, and no sound comes out at all. Ok, what is happening with the newer one is that it is trying to use an audio pathway that is obviously BROKEN on these units. So that means that there isn't going to be any voice nav from google maps until either (a) THEY fix the audio routing problems, or (b) WE fix the audio routing problems. I'm not sure yet if there is an audio routing policy file that we can configure, or if this is something hard baked in somewhere. That's very annoying, but something I can live with for now. I prefer the newer google maps enough to live with the lack of voice guidance, rather than to try to use the ancient version.
DPI: Obviously, Android believes that the screen is as large as a TELEVISION. The fonts are all incredibly small, even if you set it to HUGE font. Ok, so right angle triangle has H = root(1024*1024+600*600)=1186.83 pseudopixels. Divide that by 7, makes 170 DPI. Its set to 160 DPI, so Android thinks that the screen is 7.4 inches. Ok, that's not really too far off from reality, but it IS in the wrong direction, to make everything look SMALLER than it should be. The problem is that the screen is roughly 3 feet away from your face. Take a tablet and how far do you hold it away? Roughly 1.5 foot. So lets figure out how big Android should *THINK* the screen is, in order to blow things up to the same scale as a 7" tablet at 1.5 foot.
We're dealing with right triangles again, 7:3 = x:1.5, x = 3.5. Android should think that the screen is 3.5 inches. That puts it up at 338 DPI. Ok, so these numbers are pretty rough, since I'm just guessing the viewing distances, but you get the idea. Crank that DPI WAAAAAAAY UP! Only problem I see, however, is regarding how they coded the SystemUI. If they followed the Android design guidelines, then they coded it with DP's (density independent pixels), which means that when you crank the DPI far enough to make applications look proper, it will make the CHINA look HUGE. Think about it -- they designed their SystemUI panels to show at a "normal" size when the DPI is set way too low. I can see bad things happening.
I wonder if it would be practical to just SWAP OUT the chinese SystemUI for one built from source? That might actually be a practical way of repairing the UI. Might also be nice to rebuild the System Settings application from source. I'll have to go over it again, but I don't recall there being anything special about System Settings -- they just colorized it, broke the bluetooth part, and added a password to developer options. WHY???!?!
Like the American proverb says... "if it ain't broke, don't fix it!" That ESPECIALLY goes for China, since if it ain't broke, they're GOING to break it.
And now, to BLUETOOTH.
Well, knew going into it that they futzed up the bluetooth settings as badly as they possibly could. Why? Because... CHINA. The good news is that they tried so hard to break it as badly as they could, that it was EASY to fix.
In fact, I had written up the most important fix WELL before I even had these head units. I will refer to my fix thread HERE: http://forum.xda-developers.com/and...elopment/bluetooth-settings-launcher-t3504526
There are two obvious problems with bluetooth on these units;
1) They deleted the System Settings button that brought up the Bluetooth settings. That is what I fixed in above thread.
2) They BROKE the bluetooth pairing pin prompt. On a normal Android device, when you try to pair with something from it, it will first try one or two "standard" pairing pins, and they don't work, then it will pop up a dialog requesting that you enter the device's pin. This one does NOT do that. It JUST tries to pair using whatever pin is hardcoded in the CHINESE bluetooth application. So while I haven't "fixed" this, there is at least a reasonably easy (if not particularly convenient) workaround. When it doesn't pair, you go into the chinese bluetooth application, change the pin there, and try again.
So the good news is this; the REAL MEAT of the bluetooth stack, is the product of INTEL. Not China. That means that once you work around the severely broken UI (again, WHY BREAK it when you can just leave it be and have it ACTUALLY WORK?), it actually works WONDERFULLY! That means you can connect to AND USE multiple devices at the same time. I.e., torque + **ANY** OBD device, while simultaneously a voice call AND bluetooth data tethering.
Hmm, what else....
Bootup.... this is a very dramatic change from the UL135.
A full bootup takes about 20 seconds.
So when you get into your car in the morning to go to work, after it has been sitting all day, you turn the key, and it is IMMEDIATELY UP. Wait, what? Its wired correctly -- if the +12 and IGN were reversed, then it would lose power with the ignition switch off, which means that it would have to do a full bootup. If the IGN wasn't connected at all, then the screen will never turn on -- when the IGN turns off, the screen goes off, radio stops playing, and another thing I observe, is that bluetooth connections are lost. So, either the thing is only doing a partial shutdown and proceeding to "drain the battery" mode, or they have actually made it sleep *correctly*, switch off all the parts that suck down the power, put the CPU into deep sleep (clock off), and sit there draining negligible power until it receives a wakeup interrupt (IGN line powers up). If that is so, then I am VERY pleased, at least with this element.
On performance and stability;
Its better than the UL135 across the board here. This thing is no rocket, the CPU is actually quite a TURD, though definitely better than RK3188 (despite lower benchmarks). The increased RAM helps with keeping things in memory and responsive. The stability is a night and day improvement over the UL135, which I believe to be attributable to the INTEL element. eMMC performance is abysmal.
Summary so far;
1) The front panel is bigger than DDIN.
2) The front panel sticks out a different amount than UL135.
3) The audio routing policy is BORKED.
4) The UI is ALL CHINA.
5) The Bluetooth stack is INTEL
6) Performance is "OK". Nothing special.
7) Wakeup after sitting all night is INSTANTANEOUS.
More on the GMaps audio routing.
While I haven't yet tried out the latest system update, I HAVE found a way to make GMaps actually speak.
Unfortunately, the "way" is by being on a PHONE CALL.
Yep. When you're on a PHONE call, google maps is HAPPY to speak to you. In fact, the damned thing will NEVER SHUT UP. Obviously. When better to harass you then when you're trying to listen to someone else? Or when you're trying to speak, since it shuts off the microphone in order not to echo back the nav prompts.
(fortunately, there is a setting to tell it not to issue nav sounds during call).
Oh yeah, gmaps also speaks LOUDER than the phone call.
EDIT: people on the joying forum are indicating that the newest update will fix the gmaps voice.
Ok, on to the December 8th UPDATE.
First off, I have NOT really run the update yet. Supposedly, it fixes the GMaps sound problem.
I can confirm that they have NOT (yet) caught on to Blueballs.apk that I wrote (and shared) to regain access to the System Settings --> Bluetooth activity, so bluetooth functionality has not been degraded.
First the install process;
Take their install archive and EXTRACT it to a uSD or USB disk. Either is fine. I used USB.
msdos type partition table, ONE partition, formatted as fat32.
Power on the vehicle, stick in the card or USB, and wait until it prompts you to install the update.
Now is where things get scary....
Starts by updating the MCU, fine, then proceeds to update the Android image. The progress bar moves about a 3rd of the way across, and STOPS. And it just sits there. For about 10 minutes. The only indication that the device isn't completely crashed out is that the little websphere thing is still spinning in the little robot's hands. Ok, eventually it goes, then it says to yank out the disk and it will reboot itself. OK, no problem.
You do it. And it reboots. It plays the boot animation, right up to the last frame... and stops. It just sits there saying "ANDROID" across the screen. Now you're thinking to yourself that THIS THING IS JAMMED UP AND YET WE HAVE NO WAY TO GET INTO RECOVERY!!!!! Crap. Ok, lets just let it be. It sits, and it sits, and about 15 minutes later, the panel lights go out. Ok, at least something changed. Wait another minute and it finally boots. So WHAT THE BLOODY HELL CHINA? Obviously, it must have been optimizing application number 27 of 258, so WHY DID YOU DELETE THE PROGRESS DIALOG, CHINA? WHY?????
So it boots back up, and you notice something funny right off the bat. It has returned to the china launcher. Ok, that's minor. Keep on moving, we can reset it to google launcher momentarily. So now you go into something like k9mail, and it asks you to sign in.
HUH?
But the program remained installed.
THE BLOODY MORONS..... THEY DELETED EVERYTHING FROM /data/data/. They kept /data/app/, but they deleted /data/data/. So everything you've set up now has to be reset. GEE, THANKS SO BLOODY MUCH, CHINA.
So my suggestion... if you're going to update to the Dec8 system image, the sooner you do it, the less of your settings you will lose, because the less of your settings you will have actually SET.
Quick observations;
1) They have NOT fixed the frequency selection on the AM radio. I'm still stuck 2 kHz away from my target frequency.
2) There were THREE phases to the system install; MCU, Android, and "Allapp.pkg".
3) Allapp.pkg contains Settings.apk. Yet there was a Settings.apk in the Android update. Hmmmmm..... wonder if we could just force back the REAL Settings.apk and have a proper functioning system?
4) Allapp.pkg *also* has a SystemUI.apk. Could it be? Could the one in the Android update actually be... no, it couldn't. There's no way that they would actually *include* an AOSP SystemUI, is there?
This is the list of all of the apk files in Allapp.pkg:
Code:
EasyConnectedFY07.apk
assets/CarMan.apk
assets/CarManNotChinese.apk
assets/EasyConnServer.apk
Gmail2.apk
JY-1-C9-BT-V1.0.apk
JY-1-C9-Guide-V1.0.apk
JY-1-C9-Launcher-V1.0.apk
JY-1-C9-MUSIC-V1.0.apk
JY-1-C9-Radio-V1.0.apk
JY-1-C9-Video-V1.0.apk
JY-2-C9-Launcher-V1.0.apk
Maps.apk
PlatformServerSofia.apk
Settings.apk
SFY-1-C9-Steer-V1.0.apk
Sofia-1-C9-Aux-V1.0.apk
sofia-1-C9-CarMark-V1.0.apk
Sofia-1-C9-FileManager-V1.0.apk
Sofia-1-C9-Gallery-V1.0.apk
Sofia-1-C9-RightCamera-V1.0.apk
Sofia-1-C9-Server-V1.0.apk
Sofia-1-C9-TV-V1.0.apk
SystemUI.apk
SYU-1-5009-FloatBtn-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-Calculator-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-Caliration-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-Canbus-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-CarRadio-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-CarUi-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-Graphics-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-Navi-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-SubServer-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-UIServer-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-Update-V1.0.apk
SYU-1-C9-Widget-V1.0.apk
SYU-2-C9-CMSettings-V1.0.apk
SYU-2-C9-EQ-V1.0.apk
Notice... CarMan.apk and CarManNotChinese.apk, LOL.
Oh, and "SYU-1-C9-Caliration-V1.0.apk" is also pretty cool.... ***CALIRATION***
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My two units arrived. Played with one of them on the kitchen table late last night.
The row of capacitive buttons are thoroughly pointless -- touches to them don't register at all if your finger doesn't touch it absolutely perfectly.
Having said that, I like them better than the one with the knobs, for the reason I've already mentioned to you -- the lack of deep bezels.
Better? It is definitely a matter of preference. I don't need the capacitive button row, so that doesn't bother me at all.
Note: they have this weird dot thing stuck in the UI as configured by default. Touching the dot brings up a set of buttons -- back, home, menu, etc. So.... CHINA. Obviously, unless you have AT LEAST three copies (SystemUI header bar, row of buttons, the weird dot thing, steering wheel controls) of every button, somebody is going to miss it. Fortunately, there is a control application in the application menu that allows you to disable the stupid dot.
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I have the 10" version and I got the buttons to work 100% after relearning the touch keys. Open "carmediasettings" then click on Panel keys assignment. Hope that helps =)
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I have the 10" version and I got the buttons to work 100% after relearning the touch keys. Open "carmediasettings" then click on Panel keys assignment. Hope that helps =)
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The issue on the 7" isn't the button calibration, just the physical size of the touch areas.
Doesn't matter anyway, since the buttons are all available in other places -- systemui bar and steering wheel.
So today installed the second UL128N2 into the wife's Subaru Forester.
Popped out a parrot asteroid smart (obsolete). The dimensions of the parrot are about a full quarter of an inch in both horizontal and vertical directions. Really had to do a job on the ddin dash adapter on that one, but fortunately was able to avoid having to cut up the actual dashboard.
doitright said:
Summary so far;
1) The front panel is bigger than DDIN.
2) The front panel sticks out a different amount than UL135.
3) The audio routing policy is BORKED.
4) The UI is ALL CHINA.
5) The Bluetooth stack is INTEL
6) Performance is "OK". Nothing special.
7) Wakeup after sitting all night is INSTANTANEOUS.
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Any news on the instantaneous wake up after a full night? No car battery issues after several nights? I would be very interested in measurements of power consumption when the car is switched off.
Regarding the small font settings, would you suggest to buy the 8" unit if it fits in the car? I guess that the UL138N2 has the same hardware as the UL128N2 only with an 8" screen? And I hope that it has also the instantaneous wake up?
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nomailing said:
Any news on the instantaneous wake up after a full night? No car battery issues after several nights? I would be very interested in measurements of power consumption when the car is switched off.
Regarding the small font settings, would you suggest to buy the 8" unit if it fits in the car? I guess that the UL138N2 has the same hardware as the UL128N2 only with an 8" screen? And I hope that it has also the instantaneous wake up?
Sent from my SM-N910F using XDA-Developers mobile app
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No, I wouldn't suggest that. I would just suggest changing the DPI setting on the 7" to something more suitable.
The UL138N2 WILL NOT fit in a DDIN dash adapter. Its basically a DDIN *box*, with a TABLET bolted out in front of it. Unless your car is an ugly beater, you probably won't want to install something that ugly into it.
As far as overnight power consumption, I have not had any opportunity to test more than a 24 hour stretch. No issues, nor, frankly, do I expect any. They appear to be sleeping the unit correctly, so all of the wireless signals are turned off, and CPU is in clock stopped mode, so like a good quality tablet with the wifi turned off, it'll go for months like that. On a battery as big as a car has, possibly years (assuming that the car battery didn't self discharge in that time, which it will).
doitright,
With your help I was able to get full system menu. Thank you! I was wondering if you were able to get "Ok Google" to work on any screen. It only works on the home screen for my 10" head unit.
xlinkx said:
doitright,
With your help I was able to get full system menu. Thank you! I was wondering if you were able to get "Ok Google" to work on any screen. It only works on the home screen for my 10" head unit.
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I have no interest in retard mode, so no. I have not.
doitright said:
DPI: Obviously, Android believes that the screen is as large as a TELEVISION. The fonts are all incredibly small, even if you set it to HUGE font. Ok, so right angle triangle has H = root(1024*1024+600*600)=1186.83 pseudopixels. Divide that by 7, makes 170 DPI. Its set to 160 DPI, so Android thinks that the screen is 7.4 inches. Ok, that's not really too far off from reality, but it IS in the wrong direction, to make everything look SMALLER than it should be. The problem is that the screen is roughly 3 feet away from your face. Take a tablet and how far do you hold it away? Roughly 1.5 foot. So lets figure out how big Android should *THINK* the screen is, in order to blow things up to the same scale as a 7" tablet at 1.5 foot.
We're dealing with right triangles again, 7:3 = x:1.5, x = 3.5. Android should think that the screen is 3.5 inches. That puts it up at 338 DPI. Ok, so these numbers are pretty rough, since I'm just guessing the viewing distances, but you get the idea. Crank that DPI WAAAAAAAY UP! Only problem I see, however, is regarding how they coded the SystemUI. If they followed the Android design guidelines, then they coded it with DP's (density independent pixels), which means that when you crank the DPI far enough to make applications look proper, it will make the CHINA look HUGE. Think about it -- they designed their SystemUI panels to show at a "normal" size when the DPI is set way too low. I can see bad things happening.
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I tried some changes to the dpi in build.prop. I went up to 180 and the ui looks alright still. Then I decided what the heck and went to 300 since my galaxy s5 is at 480...bad idea. The screen gets stuck on the kill apps screen and you can't open anything. Luckily I was able to open es file explorer using adb and edit the build.prop. After rebooting, all os well again.
Moral of the story, don't try anything over...maybe 200?
It has been a month since I got the PD.
Some brief thoughts based upon my experience with the phone.
I was an Apple user since they launched the iPhone in 2007. Nothing to do with the perpetual Apple vs. Android debate, just iOS suited my purposes, that's all.
I was using the HTC 10/BB DTEK50/Priv for a while, as a second phone.
I got fairly used to the operating system and to be honest, they are all very similar. But carrying 2, sometimes 3 phones was becoming a right pain, so looked for a good dual sim phone that would run two What's app accounts simultaneously.
Enter the PD. Easily love at first sight. I said this was my "jumping off point".
Wasn't very easy to get hold of, where I live, so had to wait almost a month and PAID-A-LOT-!! LOL
What a truly beautiful phone. I have used every Apple phone ever made, every BB phone made, 2 Vertu's (UGHH), and hand on my heart can say, I still cannot stop looking at it.
I had a major issue after setting it up, which is discussed in another thread.
I had no home screen icons or apps visible, only a blank screen that allowed calls and messages to come through in the status bar, could enter settings, but that was it.
The eventual solution, after almost suffering a heart attack, was to load both sims in, and then ejecting the sim tray. The apps just popped up instantly. Very strange, indeed.
After that, everything has been super easy.
-Stellar Battery (and I am a heavy user)
-2 whatsapp accounts running - awesome.
-What a lovely screen!
-No complaints with the camera. I like it. Even the slightly synthetic "Leica" look in the Wide Aperture Mode.
-The Fingerprint sensor is absolutely instant.
-EMUI is easy and nice to navigate
-The ability to edit the quick launch(?) icons in the pull down menu is excellent.
Now the bits that are bugging me.
1) No firmware updates. The last one was, I believe, in December, and I still am on B138. This is something that Huawei needs to look into post haste. I have written to them 5 times, till today. No response whatsoever.
2) Notifications - this is the elephant in the room. They are random at best.
All the Settings - Unlimited data Access, Battery Optimizations, Battery Ignore Whitelists, Priority Notifications, etc. are all on, as is oft discussed, and checked, but whatsapp and emails sometimes still do not give me a notification, until I open the app. This IS an issue for me. I am missing time constrained messages all the time. If anyone has a fix or solution for this, I will be very grateful.
3) Keyboard, Sometimes, the keyboard will freeze if the screen sleeps whilst the keyboard is open in an app, and I reopen it.
I have to collapse the keyboard and bring it up again. Not a huge deal, but an annoyance, none the less. Maybe a GBoard thing?
4) Screen Auto Brightness - Takes an age to organize itself. In the dark, it will blind you, before thinking to itself, that it is, indeed, night, and the screen should be a wee bit less bright. The exact opposite in the day - Very dim and then will eventually get off its backside and decide to brighten up the screen. Very annoying.
5) How do I change the name of my phone. It's not the Bluetooth and Wifi name. My car still picks it up as Huawei LON-L29, as do apps like Photosync and whilst connecting to my Mac.
6) Photos. Now this may not be a PD Specific issue, but when I transferred my 22,000 images across, they all came as a big jumbled mess. No date-wise organization. So looking for specific images, is well, impossible.
7) Music - No equalizer settings in the stock music app. For my specific purposes, unusable, because in my car's bluetooth radio, the bass is overwhelming.
So, apart from these minor points (and 1 big one), I love the phone. I wonder how they could possibly improve it...Firmware, Huawei! Firmware!
For photos delete the cache. That'll sort the jumbled up mess.
For Music Player Google removed the EQ option a few months ago, I hate Play Music now. I use Captune. It has its shortcomings but its the best EQ.
Keyboard - I use Swift with no problems.
My worst issues are the crappy screen protector (GG3) and the lack up updates. I'll be selling it shortly.
I'm enjoying my phone,the only gripe I have with it is the UPDATES.
As for keyboards Try downloading Blackberry Keyboard or Google Keyboard.
Thank you for your suggestions, guys.
I tried clearing the cache, but no joy there. I tried an app called Quickpic, that is apparently supposed to deal with this. Didn't help either.
I was wondering, even if I had to reimport all my image and video files, is there any way they could be sorted by date taken?
This is turning out to be as big of an issue as the notification one, as I depend on images and videos, to send and discuss with my clients. And needless to say, I can't find anything. So am relegated to carrying an iPhone 6s+ just for my media, so I can send the required files via email or WhatsApp. Really, Not an ideal situation.
I will try the BB Keyboard.
Regarding the packaged screen protector, agreed, it is appalling. Before I buy the 2.5/3D tempered glass screen protector, has anyone had any experience with it?
Bonerp, Captune works for me, Thank you.
Have any of you'll worked around the notification bug?
For example, WhatsApp notifications sometimes do not wake the screen, but when a second or third WhatsApp message comes through, it may wake...Or not.
Seriously, if this is such a widely publicized bug, why is Huawei not looking into this?
ap10046 said:
Thank you for your suggestions, guys.
I tried clearing the cache, but no joy there. I tried an app called Quickpic, that is apparently supposed to deal with this. Didn't help either.
I was wondering, even if I had to reimport all my image and video files, is there any way they could be sorted by date taken?
This is turning out to be as big of an issue as the notification one, as I depend on images and videos, to send and discuss with my clients. And needless to say, I can't find anything. So am relegated to carrying an iPhone 6s+ just for my media, so I can send the required files via email or WhatsApp. Really, Not an ideal situation.
I will try the BB Keyboard.
Regarding the packaged screen protector, agreed, it is appalling. Before I buy the 2.5/3D tempered glass screen protector, has anyone had any experience with it?
Bonerp, Captune works for me, Thank you.
Have any of you'll worked around the notification bug?
For example, WhatsApp notifications sometimes do not wake the screen, but when a second or third WhatsApp message comes through, it may wake...Or not.
Seriously, if this is such a widely publicized bug, why is Huawei not looking into this?
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I tried a curved tempered glass protector and it was awful so binned it. It had tape on the edges and just didn't look good and lost sensitivity.
Have you tried clearing cache at the boot screen or from settings/storage? Might help with the notification bug.
I've sent Huawei several things to fix and just had a 'thank you' response and nothing more. I'm not aware of a notification bug though. I definitely had one on the mate 9 until the first pre release fix was received, but not on this one.
Only other thing I can suggest re pics is delete data, or delete google account, delete cache then add your account again.
How do you guys work around the copy-paste thing?
I mean to having to bring out a paper and pen for copying an email address, phone number, passage from a message or an email is just unacceptable, when this is a widely utilized convenience on other platforms and, I believe, some Android UI's too?
I have tried a few apps that claim they can do this, but no joy.
Also, sharing contacts from the contacts app, only allows vcard, text message and attach to email, no What'sApp, Outlook or any app, for that matter. Can this option be changed somewhere?
quick question
I am looking to get the mate 9 pro; which is the same phone as the PD, just without the fancy branding..
Are any of you on Tmobile in the USA, and, do you get 4G/LTE?
The reseller I have been emailing with on Amazon says you do NOT get 4GLTE on Tmobile in the USA with this phone, but I have read that you do.
Thanks if you can help with this! :good::good: