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[Q] 4.3 and Big Brother Knox..

Okay, well I'm really starting to dislike this crap.
I replaced the board in my girlfriend s3, and it had 4.3 OTA on it -.-.
Now to my understanding, the OTA update comes with knox in the bootloader.This keeps anyone from flashing custom roms/recoveries.
I've followed all the guides and such. I dont care about 4.3. I just want knox completely removed, and revert it back to 4.1.2. I know that there is bootloaders floating around out there, that should overwrite the knox bootloader, and then flash a stock 4.1.2 rom. Now in theory that should work, but my googling skills have gone down the drain. I can't find any bootloader files, There has to be a way around this, its been over a month now. I honestly don't ever want to upgrade to 4.3. I'm happy with jellybean. It's stable, and smooth.
Just want to pick all your guys' brains xD.

Johnnysauur said:
Okay, well I'm really starting to dislike this crap.
I replaced the board in my girlfriend s3, and it had 4.3 OTA on it -.-.
Now to my understanding, the OTA update comes with knox in the bootloader.This keeps anyone from flashing custom roms/recoveries.
I've followed all the guides and such. I dont care about 4.3. I just want knox completely removed, and revert it back to 4.1.2. I know that there is bootloaders floating around out there, that should overwrite the knox bootloader, and then flash a stock 4.1.2 rom. Now in theory that should work, but my googling skills have gone down the drain. I can't find any bootloader files, There has to be a way around this, its been over a month now. I honestly don't ever want to upgrade to 4.3. I'm happy with jellybean. It's stable, and smooth.
Just want to pick all your guys' brains xD.
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You should read THIS. It explains everything. You can't overwrite KNOX or downgrade boot loader or you will brick, but you can still root and have custom recovery, then flash a ROM of your choice. Downgrading includes flashing TAR files in ODIN and downgrading mk3 to md4 or lower via zip files.
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Is there anything different you need to do for custom recovery on 4.3
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Johnnysauur said:
Is there anything different you need to do for custom recovery on 4.3
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I believe anything after md4 won't mount storage. Check THIS thread. I flashed the TWRP Tar in ODIN on a Boost GS3 that wouldn't mount storage.
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joeyhdownsouth said:
You should read THIS. It explains everything. You can't overwrite KNOX or downgrade boot loader or you will brick, but you can still root and have custom recovery, then flash a ROM of your choice. Downgrading includes flashing TAR files in ODIN and downgrading mk3 to md4 or lower via zip files.
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I thought you couldn't root if 4.3 was applied with ota
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Johnnysauur said:
Okay, well I'm really starting to dislike this crap.
I replaced the board in my girlfriend s3, and it had 4.3 OTA on it -.-.
Now to my understanding, the OTA update comes with knox in the bootloader.This keeps anyone from flashing custom roms/recoveries.
I've followed all the guides and such. I dont care about 4.3. I just want knox completely removed, and revert it back to 4.1.2. I know that there is bootloaders floating around out there, that should overwrite the knox bootloader, and then flash a stock 4.1.2 rom. Now in theory that should work, but my googling skills have gone down the drain. I can't find any bootloader files, There has to be a way around this, its been over a month now. I honestly don't ever want to upgrade to 4.3. I'm happy with jellybean. It's stable, and smooth.
Just want to pick all your guys' brains xD.
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At this time, the only way to get Knox out of the bootloader is to write over it with an unknoxed bootloader that's signed by Samsung, and passes the version check by the current bootloader.
Knoxed bootloaders will reject previous bootloader versions, even if those are properly signed.
However, loading a current version bootloader (properly signed) without knox to replace the knoxed one should then allow you to revert back to a previous version.
The only way this wouldn't work is if the knoxed bootloader killed a q-fuse somewhere, but no one has found proof to this.

andyistic said:
At this time, the only way to get Knox out of the bootloader is to write over it with an unknoxed bootloader that's signed by Samsung, and passes the version check by the current bootloader.
Knoxed bootloaders will reject previous bootloader versions, even if those are properly signed.
However, loading a current version bootloader (properly signed) without knox to replace the knoxed one should then allow you to revert back to a previous version.
The only way this wouldn't work is if the knoxed bootloader killed a q-fuse somewhere, but no one has found proof to this.
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Correction: nobody has positively verified the existence of an eFuse, to my knowledge, just yet. But there is a substantial amount of evidence to suggest its existence. If you try to revert from KNOX to a previous bootloader version, it has a pretty consistent knack for hard-bricking the devices so they won't even power to the download or recovery consoles. From what I've read, people have had similar experiences when attempting to run older versions of TriangleAway to zero out their flash counts. Additionally, every attempt that has been made to revert the KNOX Warranty Void flag that I've read about has resulted in a hard-brick as well.
It's also important to note: At this time, when people say they've removed KNOX what they're really talking about are the apps that came in the 4.3 update. Removing these does not have any impact on the bootloader's status. There is currently no way to remove the KNOX bootloader without irrevocably crippling your device.

[Q] How does Rooting affect Galaxy S3's Knox Counter?

I've read a little bit about Knox in the last few months, but wanted to make sure I've got everything right, especially since things have probably changed since the early days of Knox.
Here's my situation: I'm running a TMO Galaxy S3 w/ stock recovery. I was using mrRobinson's T999UVDMD5 and foolishly did the TMO update to T999UVUEMJC.
(I thought I'd be able to retain root, but ended up losing root, getting Knox, and a bootloader that won't let me roll back. )
Now my phone locks up during boot. If I'm lucky, it'll boot but locks up nearly immediately after boot.
And this is with stock everything. I've had the phone a year and a half, so it's out of warranty.
So what's Sammy's stance on their update breaking phones out of warranty?
Do they cover that? Can I get a TMO store to put DMD5 back on?
I'm thinking of using the root66 EMJC img. I'm pretty confident that it won't brick the phone, since it'll be the same bootloader I'm currently running.
And I'm not too worried if it trips the Flash Counter (flag, really) since I should be able to clear it.
But what about the Knox counter? Will that get tripped? mrRobinson's post leads me to think that it will.
Any other root options I should consider? (Above all else, I'd like to be able to restore back to stock if I need to.)
I kinda like the stock ROM (save for some bloatware) and TouchWiz doesn't bother me.

If it's out of warranty, it shouldn't matter if you trip the Knox counter, Should it? Some say as long as you don't install a custom recovery that if you do the root 66 method just for root that Knox doesn't trip. But I can never get anyone to confirm that.
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masondoctorjt said:
If it's out of warranty, it shouldn't matter if you trip the Knox counter, Should it? Some say as long as you don't install a custom recovery that if you do the root 66 method just for root that Knox doesn't trip. But I can never get anyone to confirm that.
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Thanks masondoctorjt! That's one of my questions. (albeit, a lesser one)
If TMO/Sammy's update f'd up my phone will they cover it if it's out of warranty? especially when it was fine before?
(It's also a work phone, so I'd like to be able to return it like I got it, if need be.)
It's that confirmation I'm looking for here.
This Knox thread seems to state that as long as a Knox-enabled bootloader is used, the counter won't trip. But it also says flashing Knox-enabled fw via Odin trips the Knox counter too. (which I don't fully believe) Hence my confusion. A lot of contradictory info.
Add to that the loose usage of 'flash counter' to refer to both the triangle/flash counter/flag and the Knox counter/flag and you can see why my head is spinning!
It was tricky for me to see the Knox Counter info for my phone. Recovery and Bootloader mode didn't pop up the screen.
But when I used adb to enter bootloader, I saw the counter info.

So did you root it, and if so, did the trip the knox counter?
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No, not yet. I was hoping to hear back from someone who's tried this.
I didn't want to be the first guinea pig.
I'll probably take my phone down to the T-Mobile store this weekend and give them an earful to see if they can roll me back w/o tripping Knox flag and report back.

PhilipJFry said:
No, not yet. I was hoping to hear back from someone who's tried this.
I didn't want to be the first guinea pig.
I'll probably take my phone down to the T-Mobile store this weekend and give them an earful to see if they can roll me back w/o tripping Knox flag and report back.
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I would be like to hear how you did after going to T-mobile. Thanks.

patcal said:
I would be like to hear how you did after going to T-mobile. Thanks.
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I honestly don't expect a whole lot from them really. But it's an avenue I have to try.
I'm ultimately going to root this anyway. If TMO can successfully roll me back to T999UVDMD5 completely, I'll just root that and stick till the dust has settled somewhat on Knox.

For Rooting after getting that 4.3 update, the process is pretty simple really. Since you have 4.3, you flash Root66 Via Odin. Or you could flash a custom Recovery via Odin and then flash SuperSU zip via Recovery.
It is my understanding that either one will not trip the Knox Counter. If you wish you can follow this guide.
NOTE - Do not Try to flash Older Root66 versions. You can only flash UVUEMJC version. If you flash any other version even accidentally then you will get expensive paperweight.

patcal said:
I would be like to hear how you did after going to T-mobile. Thanks.
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It was ultimately unproductive.
I went in and explained the situation (w/ less detail) and asked them to roll me back to UVDMD5.
They said Samsung doesn't let them roll back, so he then proceeded to recover my phone.
He booted into recovery and wiped cache. When that proved unsuccessful, he wiped data. (nothing I couldn't have done)
Wiping data ultimately made the phone usable again. He then proceeded to enter some short codes to bind me to the network quicker.
(all he mentioned was #NUM#)
So I'm back to stock (more or less ). Not sure when I'll root now.
Perseus71 said:
For Rooting after getting that 4.3 update, the process is pretty simple really. Since you have 4.3, you flash Root66 Via Odin. Or you could flash a custom Recovery via Odin and then flash SuperSU zip via Recovery.
It is my understanding that either one will not trip the Knox Counter. If you wish you can follow this guide.
NOTE - Do not Try to flash Older Root66 versions. You can only flash UVUEMJC version. If you flash any other version even accidentally then you will get expensive paperweight.
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From what I've read, the custom recovery should trip Knox. Have you tried this yourself?
I'm fairly confident if I merely flash root66 that it won't trip Knox. But I'd like better than a 51% confidence interval, that's all.
(Again, it's a work phone and I'd like to return it as I got it.)

It will trip that previous counter bit. Don't think it will trip the Knox counter.
No I do not have the Knox Counter.

PhilipJFry said:
It was ultimately unproductive.
I went in and explained the situation (w/ less detail) and asked them to roll me back to UVDMD5.
They said Samsung doesn't let them roll back, so he then proceeded to recover my phone.
He booted into recovery and wiped cache. When that proved unsuccessful, he wiped data. (nothing I couldn't have done)
Wiping data ultimately made the phone usable again. He then proceeded to enter some short codes to bind me to the network quicker.
(all he mentioned was #NUM#)
So I'm back to stock (more or less ). Not sure when I'll root now.
From what I've read, the custom recovery should trip Knox. Have you tried this yourself?
I'm fairly confident if I merely flash root66 that it won't trip Knox. But I'd like better than a 51% confidence interval, that's all.
(Again, it's a work phone and I'd like to return it as I got it.)
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I believe I tripped the Knox counter when I flashed CWM recovery after I flashed stock 4.3 from Docs signature. Phone works great but no warranty on a 6 month old phone.
Pat

patcal said:
I believe I tripped the Knox counter when I flashed CWM recovery after I flashed stock 4.3 from Docs signature. Phone works great but no warranty on a 6 month old phone.
Pat
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Was that the Flash Counter or Knox Counter?

Perseus71 said:
Was that the Flash Counter or Knox Counter?
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Well I reset the flash counter with Triangle away. The Knox counter was not tripped until I flashed the recovery.
Pat

patcal said:
I believe I tripped the Knox counter when I flashed CWM recovery after I flashed stock 4.3 from Docs signature. Phone works great but no warranty on a 6 month old phone.
Pat
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Pat,
So just to get this straight, you flashed the stock TMO update, so you were not rooted?
Or did you do a root-injected variant of the stock?
Either way, I'm surprised you tripped the (triangle) flash counter.
But I'm more worried about the Knox counter; not worried about the other since there is Triangle Away.

patcal said:
Well I reset the flash counter with Triangle away. The Knox counter was not tripped until I flashed the recovery.
Pat
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Thanks for letting me know.

PhilipJFry said:
Pat,
So just to get this straight, you flashed the stock TMO update, so you were not rooted?
Or did you do a root-injected variant of the stock?
Either way, I'm surprised you tripped the (triangle) flash counter.
But I'm more worried about the Knox counter; not worried about the other since there is Triangle Away.
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I flashed T999LUVUBMK4 from Docs signature. I am not exactly sure when the flash counter tripped. I do know that the Knox bit was tripped by my flashing the recovery.
Edit: Don't remember how I got root. Sorry.
Edit2: T999L_4.3_UVUBMK4_deodexed_KnoxFREE.zip is the file I flashed.

patcal said:
I flashed T999LUVUBMK4 from Docs signature. I am not exactly sure when the flash counter tripped. I do know that the Knox bit was tripped by my flashing the recovery.
Edit: Don't remember how I got root. Sorry.
Edit2: T999L_4.3_UVUBMK4_deodexed_KnoxFREE.zip is the file I flashed.
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The Flash Counter (Triangle away kind) will trip due to the running tracer (read Sysscope) in that Rom. I'd not worry about it as Triangle away will take care of it. Yes it trips due to custom Recovery and Root.

Perseus71 said:
The Flash Counter (Triangle away kind) will trip due to the running tracer (read Sysscope) in that Rom. I'd not worry about it as Triangle away will take care of it. Yes it trips due to custom Recovery and Root.
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Thanks for that Perseus71. Didn't know about Sysscope before, but sounds interesting. I figured root66 removed it, since mrRobinson claims that it doesn't trip the normal flash counter. And this matches my experience w/ his previous root66.
patcal said:
I flashed T999LUVUBMK4 from Docs signature. I am not exactly sure when the flash counter tripped. I do know that the Knox bit was tripped by my flashing the recovery.
Edit: Don't remember how I got root. Sorry.
Edit2: T999L_4.3_UVUBMK4_deodexed_KnoxFREE.zip is the file I flashed.
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So it sounds like you were able to flash a rooted ROM and not affect Knox, as long as you leave the stock recovery.
That was my plan anyway. I'll probably look into this later this week.

PhilipJFry said:
Thanks for that Perseus71. Didn't know about Sysscope before, but sounds interesting. I figured root66 removed it, since mrRobinson claims that it doesn't trip the normal flash counter. And this matches my experience w/ his previous root66.
So it sounds like you were able to flash a rooted ROM and not affect Knox, as long as you leave the stock recovery.
That was my plan anyway. I'll probably look into this later this week.
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Yep. Let us know how it goes.

FYI, the Knox counter gets tripped.
I flashed the root66 T999UVUEMJC via Odin. That's it.
Oh, and the flash counter does not get set.

n7100 upgrade to 4.4

Hello
I was wondering if someone can help.
I have a u.k n7100 running 4.3, its is rooted with knox disabled, in doing so I have tripped the knox warranty counter
I want to upgrade 4.4.2 stock
Is this possible due to the fact of my current situation. Will the upgrade go through?, like a routine upgrade keeping my data. I assume knox will be disabled and i will lose root, which i am fine with. Please let me know if it can be done and it is routine stock flash procedure using odin.
or are other steps required.
thanks
harlzden

harlzden said:
Hello
I was wondering if someone can help.
I have a u.k n7100 running 4.3, its is rooted with knox disabled, in doing so I have tripped the knox warranty counter
I want to upgrade 4.4.2 stock
Is this possible due to the fact of my current situation. Will the upgrade go through?, like a routine upgrade keeping my data. I assume knox will be disabled and i will lose root, which i am fine with. Please let me know if it can be done and it is routine stock flash procedure using odin.
or are other steps required.
thanks
harlzden
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You can update with no problem at all, using ODIN you will lose data as for root it depends on ROM you flash if stock with root then you keep root but if not then lose it, Id recommend flashing a custom ROM with no wipe

harlzden said:
Hello
I was wondering if someone can help.
I have a u.k n7100 running 4.3, its is rooted with knox disabled, in doing so I have tripped the knox warranty counter
I want to upgrade 4.4.2 stock
Is this possible due to the fact of my current situation. Will the upgrade go through?, like a routine upgrade keeping my data. I assume knox will be disabled and i will lose root, which i am fine with. Please let me know if it can be done and it is routine stock flash procedure using odin.
or are other steps required.
thanks
harlzden
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AFAIK Mobile ODIN flashes stock ROM without the bootloader, someone correct me if I'm wrong.
N7105 rocking AOSB with AGNi kernel,
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harlzden said:
Hello
I was wondering if someone can help.
I have a u.k n7100 running 4.3, its is rooted with knox disabled, in doing so I have tripped the knox warranty counter
I want to upgrade 4.4.2 stock
Is this possible due to the fact of my current situation. Will the upgrade go through?, like a routine upgrade keeping my data. I assume knox will be disabled and i will lose root, which i am fine with. Please let me know if it can be done and it is routine stock flash procedure using odin.
or are other steps required.
thanks
harlzden
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Ofcourse you can upgrade to any stock firmware via odin but once KNOX is triggered it cannot be reset so even thought your binary counter will be reset after flashing official stock ROM, knox will still read 0x1.Good luck.

[Q] Successfully Rooted with Towelroot on Note 3(SM-N900T), have some questions...

Successfully rooted without tripping Knox with Towelroot. NE6 firmware. I have T-Mobile Jump and would like to Jump to the Note 4 when it comes out. If I install TWRP and make a backup of stock, will I trip knox and void my JUMP eligibility? Wanted to install via Flashify and install Xposed framework at some point down the line.
Thanks!

Steameffekt said:
Successfully rooted without tripping Knox with Towelroot. NE6 firmware. I have T-Mobile Jump and would like to Jump to the Note 4 when it comes out. If I install TWRP and make a backup of stock, will I trip knox and void my JUMP eligibility? Wanted to install via Flashify and install Xposed framework at some point down the line.
Thanks!
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Yes.. Custom recovery or custom kernel will trip knox
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effortless said:
Yes.. Custom recovery or custom kernel will trip knox
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If I flashed back to stock, did a factory reset, would it still say custom?

Steameffekt said:
If I flashed back to stock, did a factory reset, would it still say custom?
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As long as you didn't flash a custom kernel or recovery, it should be OK once you flash stock.
Even if you trip Knox, flash back to stock and jump when the time comes. They generally don't care about that as long as your phone is not damaged.
Knox warranty void is not the phone warranty. It's telling you Knox can't secure your phone anymore. Its (Knox's) warranty is void. People all over the Internet don't even know what Knox is and they spread misinformation.
Look up what Knox really is. It is an app that runs on your phone and creates a secure Android environment within itself. It's like another phone with its own launcher and app store that is secure. It's meant for employees to use their personal phone for work purposes as well.
When you trip the Knox warranty, Knox triggers an efuse that will prevent the secure container from being able to be created... Meaning Knox will never work again on your phone. It's a security measure so that companies will take the Samsung phones seriously in the work space. In reality it has worked for them as the department of defense recently approved a few Samsung models with Knox.
If you don't plan on using Knox for anything, then trip Knox and enjoy custom kernels/recoveries etc. If you do plan on using it, it's not a good idea to even root your phone as the whole purpose of Knox is to be secure and rooting will make Knox vulnerable.. You might even get fired if your IT department finds out.
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effortless said:
Yes.. Custom recovery or custom kernel will trip knox
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effortless said:
As long as you didn't flash a custom kernel or recovery, it should be OK once you flash stock.
Even if you trip Knox, flash back to stock and jump when the time comes. They generally don't care about that as long as your phone is not damaged.
Knox warranty void is not the phone warranty. It's telling you Knox can't secure your phone anymore. Its (Knox's) warranty is void. People all over the Internet don't even know what Knox is and they spread misinformation.
Look up what Knox really is. It is an app that runs on your phone and creates a secure Android environment within itself. It's like another phone with its own launcher and app store that is secure. It's meant for employees to use their personal phone for work purposes as well.
When you trip the Knox warranty, Knox triggers an efuse that will prevent the secure container from being able to be created... Meaning Knox will never work again on your phone. It's a security measure so that companies will take the Samsung phones seriously in the work space. In reality it has worked for them as the department of defense recently approved a few Samsung models with Knox.
If you don't plan on using Knox for anything, then trip Knox and enjoy custom kernels/recoveries etc. If you do plan on using it, it's not a good idea to even root your phone as the whole purpose of Knox is to be secure and rooting will make Knox vulnerable.. You might even get fired if your IT department finds out.
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Makes sense and I probably will flash a custom recovery. I just don't understand the fuss with people wanting not to trip knox if they're not even gonna use it.

I successfully rooted my Tmo Note 3 with Towelroot v2. I am currently on NE6 Boot-loader and have Knox at 0x0 and would like to remain there. I would like to upgrade to the new firmware NF1 which is not rootable with Towelroot yet. Does anyone know if using Mobile Odin Pro is able to keep root if manually done without breaking/tripping Knox? I think I remember reading somewhere that it was okay to do so and ignore the message even though it asks to download a file and then it gives a warning saying that:
"Using, Mobile Odin on this device will void your warranty, as the Knox counter will be triggered .This is not reversible".
Can someone confirm if its Okay to ignore the warning and that activating Mobile Odin Pro on my phone is OK without triggering Know 0x1, or was that other posting I read somewhere wrong? I cannot remember where I read it. If not possible to use Mobile Odin without triggering Knox 0x1,. is there any other way to root NF1 without triggering knox on our device? What do you guys think?

un-answered question............
I don't know why I have not asked this before, but here it goes..........
First, I just want to say that I could care less about Knox...
(my phone already has the knox pox)
But for future reference if I had a brand new Note 3 with official stock NB4 baseband
and I rooted it successfully using Towelroot (or root de la vaga) would it be possible
to simply rename a custom rom like Hyperdrive to "update.zip" and copy it to the
internal sdcard then boot into the stock NB4 recovery and flash/install "update.zip"?
If the only problem with this method would be the fact that a different kernel would
also flashed along with the rom it would be an easy fix by just removing the kernel
from the custom rom file before flashing the update.zip?
I know that more likely than not this method would not work.
But if it did work it should not trip the knox right?

Eudeferrer said:
I successfully rooted my Tmo Note 3 with Towelroot v2. I am currently on NE6 Boot-loader and have Knox at 0x0 and would like to remain there. I would like to upgrade to the new firmware NF1 which is not rootable with Towelroot yet. Does anyone know if using Mobile Odin Pro is able to keep root if manually done without breaking/tripping Knox? I think I remember reading somewhere that it was okay to do so and ignore the message even though it asks to download a file and then it gives a warning saying that:
"Using, Mobile Odin on this device will void your warranty, as the Knox counter will be triggered .This is not reversible".
Can someone confirm if its Okay to ignore the warning and that activating Mobile Odin Pro on my phone is OK without triggering Know 0x1, or was that other posting I read somewhere wrong? I cannot remember where I read it. If not possible to use Mobile Odin without triggering Knox 0x1,. is there any other way to root NF1 without triggering knox on our device? What do you guys think?
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Eudeferrer said:
I successfully rooted my Tmo Note 3 with Towelroot v2. I am currently on NE6 Boot-loader and have Knox at 0x0 and would like to remain there. I would like to upgrade to the new firmware NF1 which is not rootable with Towelroot yet. Does anyone know if using Mobile Odin Pro is able to keep root if manually done without breaking/tripping Knox? I think I remember reading somewhere that it was okay to do so and ignore the message even though it asks to download a file and then it gives a warning saying that:
"Using, Mobile Odin on this device will void your warranty, as the Knox counter will be triggered .This is not reversible". Can someone confirm if its Okay to ignore the warning and that activating Mobile Odin Pro on my phone is OK without triggering Know 0x1, or was that other posting I read somewhere wrong? I cannot remember where I read it. If not possible to use Mobile Odin without triggering Knox 0x1,. is there any other way to root NF1 without triggering knox on our device? What do you guys think?
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I just checked and it's OK to "install" Mobile Odin on your phone and it
it will NOT trip the KNOX counter by simply installing it as long as you:
1: Don't flash any custom recoveries like twrp/cwm.
2: Don't flash any stock or custom kernels.
3: Don't flash any modems/baseband or bootloaders.
4: Don't flash any custom odin flashable firmwares.
In mobile odin there is no option to flash cwm/twrp
flashable zip files of any kind including custom roms.
Good luck!

Misterjunky said:
I just checked and it's OK to "install" Mobile Odin on your phone and it
it will NOT trip the KNOX counter by simply installing it as long as you:
1: Don't flash any custom recoveries like twrp/cwm.
2: Don't flash any stock or custom kernels.
3: Don't flash any modems/baseband or bootloaders.
4: Don't flash any custom odin flashable firmwares.
In mobile odin there is no option to flash cwm/twrp
flashable zip files of any kind including custom roms.
Good luck!
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Why would flashing a stock kernel/baseband or firmware cause Knox to change to 0x1 when done through Mobile Odin? I thought this would happen only through custom based ones?

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Eudeferrer said:
Why would flashing a stock kernel/baseband or firmware cause Knox to change to 0x1 when done through Mobile Odin? I thought this would happen only through custom based ones?
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First of all I never said not to odin flash stock official firmware in my post.
If you or anyone else knows for sure that the modem/baseband or kernel you are
wanting to flash are 100% official stock 4.4.2 Kitkat NB4/NE6/NF1 versions then
its just fine to flash those.
However since knox cannot be rolled back and to keep things on the SAFE side I
always suggest the very safest way to do these things which even a NOOB would
understand without getting into trouble with a lot of unexpected issues. :laugh:
Good luck!

Misterjunky said:
First of all I never said not to odin flash stock official firmware in my post.
If you or anyone else knows for sure that the modem/baseband or kernel you are
wanting to flash are 100% official stock 4.4.2 Kitkat NB4/NE6/NF1 versions then
its just fine to flash those.
However since knox cannot be rolled back and to keep things on the SAFE side I
always suggest the very safest way to do these things which even a NOOB would
understand without getting into trouble with a lot of unexpected issues. :laugh:
Good luck!
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My bad. I guess I misunderstood you the first time. Thank you for your response.

[Q] Atempting to remove Knox from firmware befor update.

I have a T-mobile Galaxy S4, SGH-M919 running android 4.2.2 and want to upgrade to android 4.3. Okay my question is can I remove knox from the update before updating? I HATE KNOX. I saw where over at s4 mini archive they showed a way that they say it can be removed. Any ideas? Anyone tried this? Any other ways to remove??? Any help would be great. I am sorry if this has been posted or asked before, I have not seen it. http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2013/12/how-to-remove-knox-bootloader-from-new.html

Just use this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2544612 and install a custom rom. Any reason why you want 4.3? You can install 4.4.4 which just came out. Remember to just flash modem only and not the lte modem or you will break sound. If you want to stay completely stock and not have Knox there is no way.

+1 on custom rom. Something like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2876946

Sorry been a little busy. I'm currently using the MDL bootloader, no knox. I hear there is performance and feature advantage to updating to a newer bootloader. The reason I am looking at 4.3 is that some people have stated that you can remove knox from the bootloader in 4.3. The people stated that they have been able to do this to the S4 mini's 4.3 bootloader. I have looked at the links you two have given me, thank you. What bootloaders are you two using? Also have you seen this as this is what got me thinking. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2549357

Bootloader has nothing directly to do with performance. Be careful what you read.

lalec said:
Bootloader has nothing directly to do with performance. Be careful what you read.
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True. But I would prefer to be 100% knox free. So not just a knox free rom, but the bootloader as well. Staying on android 4.2.2 will do that but at the same time I would like to upgrade to a newer android version. I have seen some nice custom roms with nice performance, but they are 4.3 and newer. And this is why I am looking.

Jamessr79 said:
True. But I would prefer to be 100% knox free. So not just a knox free rom, but the bootloader as well. Staying on android 4.2.2 will do that but at the same time I would like to upgrade to a newer android version. I have seen some nice custom roms with nice performance, but they are 4.3 and newer. And this is why I am looking.
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You can keep MDL boot loader, and flash 4.3, 4.4.2, or 4.4.4 ROMs no problem. I've got an M919 with MDL boot loader and am currently running Dirty Unicorns (4.4.4-based) ROM.
I've got all the benefit of the latest version of Android (plus many customizations!) and no Knox.
The only think that you can't do on the MDL boot loader is run a newer LTE modem... the LTE modem (non-hlos.bin) is tied to the boot loader. However the GSM modem (modem.bin) is not, so you can update that part of it. It's something to keep in mind, but the LTE modem in MDL is fine and works for me quite well even in marginal signal areas.
Marc

Frankenscript said:
You can keep MDL boot loader, and flash 4.3, 4.4.2, or 4.4.4 ROMs no problem. I've got an M919 with MDL boot loader and am currently running Dirty Unicorns (4.4.4-based) ROM.
I've got all the benefit of the latest version of Android (plus many customizations!) and no Knox.
The only think that you can't do on the MDL boot loader is run a newer LTE modem... the LTE modem (non-hlos.bin) is tied to the boot loader. However the GSM modem (modem.bin) is not, so you can update that part of it. It's something to keep in mind, but the LTE modem in MDL is fine and works for me quite well even in marginal signal areas.
Marc
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Thank you for the info. Are you on an AOSP 4.4.4 ROM (Dirty Unicorns)? I'm on the MDL bootloader looking to install a TW 4.4.4 ROM.

HKSpeed said:
Thank you for the info. Are you on an AOSP 4.4.4 ROM (Dirty Unicorns)? I'm on the MDL bootloader looking to install a TW 4.4.4 ROM.
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A stock firmware? If it contains the bootloader, it will automatically replace your existing one.
tetakpatalked from Nexus 7 flo

HKSpeed said:
Thank you for the info. Are you on an AOSP 4.4.4 ROM (Dirty Unicorns)? I'm on the MDL bootloader looking to install a TW 4.4.4 ROM.
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Yes, it's based off AOSP. See the Samsung home page for Dirty Unicorns here. Also the G+ Community for it.
If you are looking for a TW ROM, I had a great experience with GoldenEye v. 38 over the summer. Very stable, and everything worked, even on my ATT version S4 I337 using SafeStrap. I got sick of SafeStrap limitations and eventually bought a M919 so I could do anything I wanted ROM wise... but GoldenEye was very nice. Debloated, very stable, felt good.
Being very satisfied with my current version of Dirty Unicorns, I'll probably not change any time soon, thought I've been tempted to install SlimKat and build up the features I want. I use SlimKat on a tablet, and like it's very light footprint. Quite zippy.
Marc

tetakpatak said:
A stock firmware? If it contains the bootloader, it will automatically replace your existing one.
tetakpatalked from Nexus 7 flo
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Just something to remember: Bootloaders (all the bad KNOX junk) CANNOT be flashed via custom recovery. So if you are flashing a stock ROM (firmware?) via custom recovery you will NOT get KNOX. If, however you decide to flash a ROM/firmware via Odin chances are very good that you will be getting a new bootloader and all the KNOX garbage it brings.
TLR
If you flash via recovery you won't get KNOX, if you flash via Odin you probably will.
Modems must also be flashed in Odin, but as far as KNOX goes, it's the bootloader you don't want.

Okay, does this mean I have knox or do not have knox.

Jamessr79 said:
Okay, does this mean I have knox or do not have knox.
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It seems to me like you're still knox-free
tetakpatalked from Nexus 7 flo

Jamessr79 said:
Okay, does this mean I have knox or do not have knox.
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Yup.
No Knox there.
You would see a Knox warranty line in that bootloader screen if you had it.

Cool, so it worked.

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lordcheeto03 said:
Just something to remember: Bootloaders (all the bad KNOX junk) CANNOT be flashed via custom recovery. So if you are flashing a stock ROM (firmware?) via custom recovery you will NOT get KNOX. If, however you decide to flash a ROM/firmware via Odin chances are very good that you will be getting a new bootloader and all the KNOX garbage it brings.
TLR
If you flash via recovery you won't get KNOX, if you flash via Odin you probably will.
Modems must also be flashed in Odin, but as far as KNOX goes, it's the bootloader you don't want.
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So what you are saying is if I flash a stock zip via custom recover no KNOX? Has this been tested? I removed knox on 4.3 but got crazy and tried 4.4.4 now random restarts.

Jamessr79 said:
So what you are saying is if I flash a stock zip via custom recover no KNOX? Has this been tested? I removed knox on 4.3 but got crazy and tried 4.4.4 now random restarts.
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Yes, what I'm saying has been tested and confirmed 100%. There is no way to flash a KNOX-implemented bootloader (or ANY bootloader for that matter) via custom recovery. You seem to have the misconception that the KNOX apps within the ROM is what all the KNOX talk is about. If anything, it's only a small part. Now, I'm not absolutely certain of how this works as I've only followed the technical posts in the Development only forum regarding this for the first 10 or so pages, so if I say something that isn't exactly accurate, please forgive me. The basic gist is that when you hear about KNOX and why it's not necessarily wanted in the updated firmwares isn't because of a few user-removable apps; it's something at the hardware level that, when during the boot up tests and checks, it notices that there is a custom kernel or custom recovery in place instead of the expected stock kernel/recovery, it blows an e-fuse and forever after tells anyone who looks at the download mode that the device has been modified at one point or another.
About the random restarts, without knowing whether you updated from 4.3 to 4.4.4 via custom recovery or other official means, all I can say is to try a factory reset and/or use Odin to re-flash the firmware and do a factory reset after that.

lordcheeto03 said:
Yes, what I'm saying has been tested and confirmed 100%. There is no way to flash a KNOX-implemented bootloader (or ANY bootloader for that matter) via custom recovery. You seem to have the misconception that the KNOX apps within the ROM is what all the KNOX talk is about. If anything, it's only a small part. Now, I'm not absolutely certain of how this works as I've only followed the technical posts in the Development only forum regarding this for the first 10 or so pages, so if I say something that isn't exactly accurate, please forgive me. The basic gist is that when you hear about KNOX and why it's not necessarily wanted in the updated firmwares isn't because of a few user-removable apps; it's something at the hardware level that, when during the boot up tests and checks, it notices that there is a custom kernel or custom recovery in place instead of the expected stock kernel/recovery, it blows an e-fuse and forever after tells anyone who looks at the download mode that the device has been modified at one point or another.
About the random restarts, without knowing whether you updated from 4.3 to 4.4.4 via custom recovery or other official means, all I can say is to try a factory reset and/or use Odin to re-flash the firmware and do a factory reset after that.
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Okay, I misunderstood on what you said could be flashed, but will have to take a look. Could you please point me in the right direction for that forum. As far as the misconception goes I do know that KNOX is in the bootloader. I also know that KNOX app/software is found in the rom as well. As for KNOX being in the rom Titanium Backup helps to remove most of it. Or I can just installing a custom rom that has it removed. The main reason that I had started this forum was to remove the KNOX from the bootloader. The reason I pointed to http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2013/12/how-to-remove-knox-bootloader-from-new.html in the first post is because they stated it could be done. After doing some other looking around and talking to others I tried it. Seems like it works on android 4.3, but 4.4.2 and 4.4.4. when I try to do the same it is not happy. I updated via Odin. The first time was 4.2 to 4.3 after modding the bootloader and not the rom. It works fine no KNOX lines in download mode. Still KNOX in the rom but uninstalled using Titanium Backup. Currently I am running android 4.3 on my Galaxy S4 no issues and as far as I can tell no KNOX.

Jamessr79 said:
Okay, I misunderstood on what you said could be flashed, but will have to take a look. Could you please point me in the right direction for that forum. As far as the misconception goes I do know that KNOX is in the bootloader. I also know that KNOX app/software is found in the rom as well. As for KNOX being in the rom Titanium Backup helps to remove most of it. Or I can just installing a custom rom that has it removed. The main reason that I had started this forum was to remove the KNOX from the bootloader. The reason I pointed to http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2013/12/how-to-remove-knox-bootloader-from-new.html in the first post is because they stated it could be done. After doing some other looking around and talking to others I tried it. Seems like it works on android 4.3, but 4.4.2 and 4.4.4. when I try to do the same it is not happy. I updated via Odin. The first time was 4.2 to 4.3 after modding the bootloader and not the rom. It works fine no KNOX lines in download mode. Still KNOX in the rom but uninstalled using Titanium Backup. Currently I am running android 4.3 on my Galaxy S4 no issues and as far as I can tell no KNOX.
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Wait.... your on 4.3 or 4.2 and have been able to unlock the bootloader on them?? Everything you said above is exactly what I have seen and heard also with the addition that the signatures not matching verification checks are what is blowing the q fuse or what Knox and the Samsung / att security freak out about right?
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I was on 4.2 and downloaded the stock 4.3 to my Linux pc. I then did what was stated on the s4 mini forums and was able to remove Knox from the bootloader, then the rom via titanium backup. Note as far as I know you can't remove Knox once it is already there.