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[Q] Why not add a scroll button here?

I didn't find a application had a scroll button on WP7 till now. I don't know why not add a button here. Even in WM the scroll button is necessary. It's very difficult to read the end of the content in a long catalog.

zoujialing said:
I didn't find a application had a scroll button on WP7 till now. I don't know why not add a button here. Even in WM the scroll button is necessary. It's very difficult to read the end of the content in a long catalog.
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Dunno if I should laugh or cry on reading this. Just swipe your finger on the screen upwards or downwards to scroll?

This almost killed me with laughter.

Why would you need one even if it's a long list just fling faster
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I don't think it's an *entirely* ridiculous question - some lists are *very* long.
A scrollbar is almost definitely not the answer (both the Opera and IE browsers had scrollbars in WM6.5, as I recall, and I hated them, because I needed a stylus to operate them) - but a "jump to the end" gesture would come in handy sometimes.
Not a high priority for me at all - but there's been one or two (or *maybe* three) times in the past few months where I've thought, "It's kind of silly for me to be flicking a screen this many times.")

I see the merit of a scroll bar. If it allowed you to grab the bar and slide down, on long lists you could navigate much faster than with flicking.
That having been said, that may be better for a tablet, as on a phone, the screen realestate is so limited. Unless there were no UI associated with it, and it was just a gesture active on the last two vertical pixel columns of the screen. That would be pretty nice.

it annoys me when i want to play a song at the end of one of my playlists and i have to scroll through a few hundred songs, I really wish zune would let me organzie my playlists alphabetically and have the jump list on the phone.

Maybe a two finger "double-tap" to "Fast Forward"? "Triple-tap" to scroll to the very end?

N0MN0M said:
Maybe a two finger "double-tap" to "Fast Forward"? "Triple-tap" to scroll to the very end?
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Good point with the gestures. Single finger, normal scrolling. Two fingers make it so that the entire list can be scrolled in the length of the screen.

N0MN0M said:
Maybe a two finger "double-tap" to "Fast Forward"? "Triple-tap" to scroll to the very end?
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Yes, this is definitely a good idea for a long list. Though I would prefer a A-Z titles to jump straight to the 1st letter of the list.
Apologize for my earlier sarcastic remarks. Was not thinking properly tt time.
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The only problem with that idea is that it is too arcane. Until someone has been shown how to do that they most likely wouldn't have any idea that it was even possible.

N0MN0M said:
Maybe a two finger "double-tap" to "Fast Forward"? "Triple-tap" to scroll to the very end?
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That's a good idea. Just a small change will make it better. Hope the MS engineer has a long playlist

Improving IE9

I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this. And I believe there are some alternatives in the marketplace that do something similar (surfcube coming to mind). But here is what I think IE9 should do to make getting to your open tabs easier. You could also use this same concept to pivot to your favorites.

There will be a problem when you are zoomed in.
The gesture will conflict with scrolling.
One way around that is you only get to tiles when fully zoomed out, but then the idea is not that great anymore, it will be confusing for some people.

nizzon said:
There will be a problem when you are zoomed in.
The gesture will conflict with scrolling.
One way around that is you only get to tiles when fully zoomed out, but then the idea is not that great anymore, it will be confusing for some people.
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He said "Edge-Pixel-Detection", so you have to swipe from outside the screen into the screen to complete this gesture, which would work perfectly

Great idea. I would also add a similar page for bookmarks on the other side.
Or just give us Opera

DeathLamp said:
He said "Edge-Pixel-Detection", so you have to swipe from outside the screen into the screen to complete this gesture, which would work perfectly
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Thats not very intuitive now is it?
There must be many better ways than this.

There are a lot of similar features hidden throughout Windows Phone that you have to just find or learn from someone else.

Not really when it comes to gestures, right?

nizzon said:
Not really when it comes to gestures, right?
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Actually there are quite a few gesture and tap-and-hold type of features that are not at all intuitive (meaning, most people would probably not discover them on their own, unless by accident). Just look at the features of the SIP. I would bet that at least half of WP7 users still don't know that you can tap-and-hold the symbols toggle, and then slide your finger over a symbol to select it, which causes the symbol key set to be dismissed and returns to the alphabet key set.

but there might be problems in landscape mode, where some phones have capacitative buttons at the bottom it would get annoying if you accedentally hit the back button every time u wanted to switch tabs

epkfaile said:
but there might be problems in landscape mode, where some phones have capacitative buttons at the bottom it would get annoying if you accedentally hit the back button every time u wanted to switch tabs
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Yeah I was actually thinking about this, especially after seeing the video of Windows 8, where they actually have this implemented. On Win8, it is from the top and bottom, and I was thinking, that wouldn't work on the phone because of the capacitive buttons. The solution my thoughts ended on was that when in landscape mode, it would work like Win8, and you would slide from the top and bottom (which is really the side, the same side that in portrait mode you would be sliding from). So the only thing that would really change is the gesture your hand is performing would change from a horizontal one to a vertical moving gesture.

RoboDad said:
Actually there are quite a few gesture and tap-and-hold type of features that are not at all intuitive (meaning, most people would probably not discover them on their own, unless by accident). Just look at the features of the SIP. I would bet that at least half of WP7 users still don't know that you can tap-and-hold the symbols toggle, and then slide your finger over a symbol to select it, which causes the symbol key set to be dismissed and returns to the alphabet key set.
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Not exactly sure what this SIP feature you are talking about but there is a big difference with features having multiple gestures for the same feature, than haveing two different features with almost exactly the same gesture.
Thats not the same thing, its more confusing.

tiny17 said:
I'm sure I'm not the first to think of this. And I believe there are some alternatives in the marketplace that do something similar (surfcube coming to mind). But here is what I think IE9 should do to make getting to your open tabs easier. You could also use this same concept to pivot to your favorites.
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If you try our SurfCube browser for WP7, you can see that we have already implemented this and a lot more, with an added 3D twist.
Here is a demo video:
Cheers,
András

All I need is a back button (cause seriously who uses forward) and a tab button and IE9 would be awesome. I like the idea of using your finger to swipe and view tabs, but instead it would be smarter to use a multi-fingered gesture. As said before, scrolling would get interfered with, and because you only scroll with one finger a two finger swipe would work.

Good idea.
But there are tons of simpler, if less effective, ways of opening tabs or favs. Instead, they chose to simply replace them with menus on Mango, as well as removing the very cool top black address-bar, replaced with a huge and ugly grey one, even in landscape. ù
So, my impression is that they simply borked the interface because they don't have a clue, and any good suggestion like yours will go into the trashbin, if anyone that matters actually reads it.
Also the single page for favs and history was very cool. And ie9 doesn't load most wordpress mobile-view comments. Way to go ie team, nice direction.

Edge-pixel detection is one of Nokia's more stupid ideas. Even the people who are being paid to demo the handsets mess up quite regularly, swiping from the edge when they want to scroll, resulting in unwanted app switching. It's a badly thought out concept, which is why nobody else has done it.

text reflow in stock browser

could anyone explain me if and how text reflow works for stock browser?
on my Gnex most for websites it doesn't seem to work especially when I pinch to zoom
thx

Once you pinch to zoom you have double tap to text reflow.i hope that helps

The double tap just does a zoom or a dezoom

GunnerMC said:
The double tap just does a zoom or a dezoom
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It shouldn't. Pinch to zoom then double tap on any place on the screen and it should shift the text into alignment.

riz157 said:
Once you pinch to zoom you have double tap to text reflow.i hope that helps
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OMG that's so stupid...
thanks :-D

thegios said:
OMG that's so stupid...
thanks :-D
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It's been the same for many browsers for many years. It cuts down on CPU use I would assume, if you zoomed in too far the browser wouldn't be trying to resize as you were drawing back out again, stuttering and slowing down your phone.
I think it's the clever way to pinch to zoom.

On the galaxy s2, it reflows automatically after zooming once the option has been switched on

thegios said:
OMG that's so stupid...
thanks :-D
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Yeah I know it's not ideal but at least you can reflow text unlike the iphone. HTC and gs2 stock browsers don't require double tap which is neat but Google use their own stock browser and for some bizarre reason they went with double tap.
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I have set the fonts to 110% and most of the time I don't even need to zoom, on landscape.
With the 4.3 in display(usable) of the GN most of the time you don't need the extra zoom hence the text reflow. That's just my opinion.
Back on Desire(3.7), text reflow was a must for me.

[APP][LAUNCHER] TasKarou Launcher Overlay

Tired of moving your fingers up/down your tablet to switch applications? Try out TasKarou!
TasKarou is a multitasking launcher overlay.
Taking inspiration from the 'Quick Controls' feature in the android browser, TasKarou provides a multitasking layer on top of a launcher on tablets.
By swiping anywhere on the left or right edge of your tablet screen, you can activate TasKarou's UI.
It gives you access to a quick, smooth, and intuitive interface to facilitate app launch, transition, and management for the user
The user interface brings a more responsive, and enjoyable level of interaction to your tablet.
Notes:
To use TasKarou, set it as the default home launcher, and from TasKarou's settings, select the actual home launcher you want to overlay.
TasKarou user interface is then triggered by swiping from either the left of right edge of your tablet screen, while still allowing access to the overlaid home launcher through the home button.
The app is also available in the android market.

nice app, but how do i use the browser controls? when im in the browser and put my finger to the side the taskarou menu opens...

kendong2 said:
nice app, but how do i use the browser controls? when im in the browser and put my finger to the side the taskarou menu opens...
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It's not possible to use both at the same time, since both controls rely on the user touching the edge of the screen.
If you have an idea on how I could get around that issue, I'm all ear.

ne0fhyk said:
It's not possible to use both at the same time, since both controls rely on the user touching the edge of the screen.
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that sucks, because it basically makes the browser unusable.
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If you have an idea on how I could get around that issue, I'm all ear.
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some ideas from the top of my head:
- disable taskarou menu completely when in browser
- disable one side of the screen (permanently or when in browser)
- disable the upper/lower/middle half of the screen (permanently or when in browser)
on another note, the notification HAS to go. at least make it optional.
that being said, i really do like the concept of the app :good: i found myself regularly swiping in from the screen edges when not in browser, and then being disappointed that nothing happened.

kendong2 said:
that sucks, because it basically makes the browser unusable.
some ideas from the top of my head:
- disable taskarou menu completely when in browser
- disable one side of the screen (permanently or when in browser)
- disable the upper/lower/middle half of the screen (permanently or when in browser)
on another note, the notification HAS to go. at least make it optional.
that being said, i really do like the concept of the app :good: i found myself regularly swiping in from the screen edges when not in browser, and then being disappointed that nothing happened.
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Thanks for your suggestions. I have a few other ideas along with the ones you suggest that I will try to integrate, and test in the following days.
In the meantime, I updated TasKarou to also support android phones. I duplicated this thread in the 'Android Apps and Games' section to make it more visible: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1984010

I like this. Definitely a nice addition to my current launcher.
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Definitely slick in some aspects. Can't say I really like it as it messes with my LMT set up and takes up more RAM on top of it.
There's a lot to be done like distinguishing different "hotspots" and designating right side only or left side only. Overall though I really enjoy the transitions and how the menu auto-switches based on which choices you're hovering over. Very intuitive choices too that I agree with about which things go where.
Looking forward to the potential this holds in the future. I may just abandon my LMT setup if done right.
Edit: And of course the ability for users to add/edit the options, potentially switch the color for mere superficial reasons. Something like my screenshot.
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ne0fhyk said:
It's not possible to use both at the same time, since both controls rely on the user touching the edge of the screen.
If you have an idea on how I could get around that issue, I'm all ear.
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Maybe ask SwipePad's developer.
(I'm not being sarcastic)

Really useful. Love the idea, but it does cause a few conflicts with apps that rely on swiping from the sides of the screen. Having said that, when I set the margin to 13 pixels I can use the Dolphin browser (for example) without too many issues by not swiping from the outer edge, but by placing the finger a little more away from the edge and then swiping inwards. Other apps are less forgiving.
What about a button in the notification area, which is visible at all times anyways?
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If swiping has the preference, then it would be more logical to align the available programs/tasks to the side from which was swiped. Swiping and selecting can be done with one hand then, regardless of which hand was used to swipe with.

The recents button is useless, I never use it, ever.
I'd like the option to use this instead and just disable the side activation altogether.

Nice idea. However on TF101 after getting the quick control moving the finger to one of the options too fast causes the quick controls to disappear. I have to move the thumb really slow in order to select any option. Hopefully, this will be fixed soon:fingers-crossed:.

ppl get over it, the man is trying to make ur life simpler, so if u don't like some stuff about the app then tell him your opinions in a decent way so he can make a proper development for the app instead of trashing it, otherwise f*** off

I like this!
1. I only see it from the right edge in portrait.
2. Might have a user selected area(s) for its swipe. This would allow those with conflicts to fix them. There is a similar app on Play which just gives a row running/recent apps icons which is not a bad interface. I found its use of the bottom obtrusive.
3. The home key does not go home in the base browser (I am using Trebuchet on a CM10).
4. There is a difference between "running" and "recent" (exited, cached, and still available.) !!
Long press of home gives a vertically tiled thumbnail view of both.
Taskarou shows only icons of running apps, not recent.
Taskarou should show both, either in two panes or in one with some distinction?, i.e. frame around one or the other. I sort of like having the thumbnails and they could be tiled or cascaded. If cascaded, should be focus-able, if tiled, scroll larger view like the app list. Best eliminated the number of apps option or make that for the pane (but that would be scroll-able for more). Cascading the main webOS motif. Flick down to kill?

mosta_9741 said:
ppl get over it, the man is trying to make ur life simpler, so if u don't like some stuff about the app then tell him your opinions in a decent way so he can make a proper development for the app instead of trashing it, otherwise f*** off
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First of all, as far as I can see, no one is trashing his app. So maybe lower your tone a bit and at least pretend to be able to communicate in a proper way.instead of telling people to "F-off".
The developer probably appreciates the feedback as he responds to it. Feedback (be it positive or negative) is valuable for both him and the app he works on. The end product can benefit from any kind of feedback as it points out flaws and strong points, and it can give the developer some different perspectives and experiences from different users and from different devices.
The day a developer stops listening to his/her targeted market is the day the product will begin its downfall.

Hey man, I just noticed that you dont have a video demo on google play... would you like one? I can do some switches with a background music... may I do it and you decide after if use it or not?

360porcento said:
Hey man, I just noticed that you dont have a video demo on google play... would you like one? I can do some switches with a background music... may I do it and you decide after if use it or not?
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That'd be cool, thanks.

Was having issues on my Nexus 7 running SmoothRom 4.1.2. Updated to 4.2 and no more disappearing quick controls as soon as my finger leaves the border. To get them to stay I had to leave my finger there for at least 1.5 seconds. Now all is well. Really liking it. I look forward to extended and customizable menus
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Scratch that. Conflict was gesture control. Had it set to consume events in starting zone. So a touch on the edge first went to gesture control. Just an iD10t error.
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ddlooping said:
That'd be cool, thanks.
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Are you the the same guy as the OP?

360porcento said:
Are you the the same guy as the OP?
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No but it'd cool regardless as I'd be interested in seeing it in action.
(the app that is)

360porcento said:
Hey man, I just noticed that you dont have a video demo on google play... would you like one? I can do some switches with a background music... may I do it and you decide after if use it or not?
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I would loved one, that'd be greatly appreciated... thanks! (i am the op)

How close Youtube minimized window?

When I am browsing videos in Youtube, and want to look at more info, I'll click on it. It then opens and starts playing. But when I hit back, instead of closing, it minimizes to a small window. No matter what I do, I can't get the darned thing to close without completely backing out of Youtube. I click on the vertical ellipsis, no close command; no X to close.
Any suggestions?

You have to swipe the small video from right to left to exit out video. Swipe video up expands it again.

Yeah.. You have to swipe... You probably missed the little arrows telling you what to do the 1st few times

ReggieSmith said:
Yeah.. You have to swipe... You probably missed the little arrows telling you what to do the 1st few times
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Thanks so much.
X is the standard for almost everything else, or press and hold for options, or have an ellipsis menu . It seems that Google loves to make changes to their software, and make it less intuitive by adding a new way to do it.