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Both my Brother and I like the Sense UI, I am a big fan of Myn's Sense based ROM's after trying out the many other different ROM's based off CM 7, or other variants, I always come back to Sense.
Anyways been rocking Myn's RS 5 for months, my most favorite and stable ROM for me. I told my Brother he needs a good ROM, not just a standard root, he said he does have a good ROM, it's called HTC EVO 4G , meaning the stock phone, he doesn't see the point in what a sense based ROM could possibly add or do for him ?
What would you Sense ROM's guys/gals have to add or say to this ?
In my opinion, some roms might have a few tweaks in them but most of the roms that I see now are just themed stock roms.
I don't want to seem like I'm not giving credit to the devs for everything they do, but it seems like many "roms" should just be in the theme section as they are just built off some other devs work.
Zorachus said:
Both my Brother and I like the Sense UI, I am a big fan of Myn's Sense based ROM's after trying out the many other different ROM's based off CM 7, or other variants, I always come back to Sense.
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You are not alone and Myn's Warm TwoPointTwo RLS-5 is one of my favorites and IS my favorite Sense rom.
Anyways been rocking Myn's RS 5 for months, my most favorite and stable ROM for me. I told my Brother he needs a good ROM, not just a standard root, he said he does have a good ROM, it's called HTC EVO 4G , meaning the stock phone, he doesn't see the point in what a sense based ROM could possibly add or do for him ?
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First of all, understand that his "stock phone" is Sense-based. HTC Sense comes default on the EVO 4G. Anyway, your brother seems to be totally satisfied with what he has and has no plans to switch. If that is the case, let him be. If he wasn't impressed with the classy and elegant look of Myn's rom then I doubt he'll be convinced to change from the stock Sense look....
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Been wondering the same thing....
For the most part, seems like I mine as well re-flash to stock sense. Remove whatever bloatware/etc and apply themes as I like. With maybe a kernel change.
In the end, thats all a "custom rom" is if Im not mistaken... Kernel + Themes, sometimes with a poor implementation that causes things to break.
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Been wondering the same thing....
For the most part, seems like I mine as well re-flash to stock sense. Remove whatever bloatware/etc and apply themes as I like. With maybe a kernel change.
In the end, thats all a "custom rom" is if Im not mistaken... Kernel + Themes, sometimes with a poor implementation that causes things to break.
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Some roms are just themes, other roms have some tweaks to them. Usually, people use the framework from one developer and just theme it up. Some just use a stock rom and theme it up.
Its not fair to some developers to say that they have not tweaked their rom at all but just add some color and a battery percentage indicator or a splash screen.
Taking a Sense 2.0 rom from one device and porting it over to a device that came defaulted with Sense 1.0 and making it work is more than merely adding themes. Furthermore, many of the talented devs started out by merely customizing their devices to suit their personal tastes, hence the name "custom" roms. Other people liked their customization which prompted them to make it available to anyone who wanted it. Still, custom roms are not for everyone. Guys like Myn, xHAUSx, Koni, TommyTomatoe and a boatload of others are very talented at what they do and should be recognized as such...at least in my opinion...
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Some roms are just themes, other roms have some tweaks to them. Usually, people use the framework from one developer and just theme it up. Some just use a stock rom and theme it up.
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Sure, but what kinda tweaks are we talking about? Thats what Im asking more or less.
CM for instance, to me, feels like a stock AOSP rom with their custom Kernel. They obviously did a good bit more by customizing the kernel n such, but as I said before... I could just flash their kernel + use whatever themes I want, no?
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Its not fair to some developers to say that they have not tweaked their rom at all but just add some color and a battery percentage indicator or a splash screen.
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My understanding is that battery indicator, boot animations, etc fall into the theme category.
Stock vs Rooted:
Rooted ROMs are optimized.
Better A2SD functionality.
Better battery life.
FREE WIFI TETHERING!
No bloatware.
Ability to theme.
Ability to do a LOT more things with your phone. Change lockscreens etc.
Ability to get full HDMI mirroring.
Sense vs AOSP:
AOSP is usually faster as Sense takes up space.
Sense has better widgets.
AOSP + 3rd party launcher like Launcher Pro + Beautiful widgets can give you the same things as Sense with a performance gain.
Landscape functionality for homescreens
Sense is a launcher. There are launcher replacements such as LauncherPro, ADW, and SPB Shell 3D. LauncherPro and ADW are more a lot faster than HTC is. LauncherPro has widgets for calendar and Friends which is similar to Sense. Beautiful widgets can give you a Sense like clock and weather animations.
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Stock vs Rooted:
Rooted ROMs are optimized.
Better A2SD functionality.
Better battery life.
FREE WIFI TETHERING!
No bloatware.
Ability to theme.
Ability to do a LOT more things with your phone. Change lockscreens etc.
Ability to get full HDMI mirroring.
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Are the roms optimized or is the Kenerel optimized? That was my original question . Thus far, roms feel like UI packages with a kernel of the devs choice.
If Im not mistaken... battery life would be dependent on the Kernel, not the rom.
Stock vs Rooted was never a question. Im running Warm2.2 atm and considering going back to Rooted Stock (as the OPs brother has done).
As my Stock will be rooted, I wont have bloatware. I will be able to theme, mirror HDMI, change lockscreens/bootanimations,etc
Sense vs AOSP:
AOSP is usually faster as Sense takes up space.
Sense has better widgets.
AOSP + 3rd party launcher like Launcher Pro + Beautiful widgets can give you the same things as Sense with a performance gain.
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CM7 RC3 is the only AOSP rom I used. Used it for a week then moved back to a sense rom. My main gripes with it were the lousy Dialer, Widgets, and I dont really care for the camera UI either. However someone in IRC pointed me to the GO Dialer, in turn I found Go Weather, Go SMS, Go Launcher... these have all solved most of my gripes, with the exception of the Dialer. CM7 RC3 also seemed to be rather batter hungry and always had an annoying notification about dialing *28 for voicemail when I had none.
Aside from this, don't AOSP roms also lack some core functionality that Sense roms have? I don't remember the specifics, but IIRC, no HDMI, many lack 4G, etc.
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Taking a Sense 2.0 rom from one device and porting it over to a device that came defaulted with Sense 1.0 and making it work is more than merely adding themes. Furthermore, many of the talented devs started out by merely customizing their devices to suit their personal tastes, hence the name "custom" roms. Other people liked their customization which prompted them made it available to anyone who wanted it. Still, custom roms are not for everyone. Guys like Myn, xHAUSx, Koni, TommyTomatoe and a boatload of others are very talented at what they do and should be recognized as such...at least in my opinion...
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Good post, I agree
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Taking a Sense 2.0 rom from one device and porting it over to a device that came defaulted with Sense 1.0 and making it work is more than merely adding themes. Furthermore, many of the talented devs started out by merely customizing their devices to suit their personal tastes, hence the name "custom" roms. Other people liked their customization which prompted them to make it available to anyone who wanted it. Still, custom roms are not for everyone. Guys like Myn, xHAUSx, Koni, TommyTomatoe and a boatload of others are very talented at what they do and should be recognized as such...at least in my opinion...
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I also totally agree with this. It should also be noted that along with an upgraded sense, some of these other ROMs give you an update to Gingerbread. Just something else to take into consideration when it comes to reasons for switching ROMs.
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Are the roms optimized or is the Kenerel optimized? That was my original question . Thus far, roms feel like UI packages with a kernel of the devs choice.
If Im not mistaken... battery life would be dependent on the Kernel, not the rom.
Stock vs Rooted was never a question. Im running Warm2.2 atm and considering going back to Rooted Stock (as the OPs brother has done).
As my Stock will be rooted, I wont have bloatware. I will be able to theme, mirror HDMI, change lockscreens/bootanimations,etc
Sense vs AOSP:
AOSP is usually faster as Sense takes up space.
Sense has better widgets.
AOSP + 3rd party launcher like Launcher Pro + Beautiful widgets can give you the same things as Sense with a performance gain.
Landscape functionality for homescreens
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CM7 RC3 is the only AOSP rom I used. Used it for a week then moved back to a sense rom. My main gripes with it were the lousy Dialer, Widgets, and I dont really care for the camera UI either. However someone in IRC pointed me to the GO Dialer, in turn I found Go Weather, Go SMS, Go Launcher... these have all solved most of my gripes, with the exception of the Dialer. CM7 RC3 also seemed to be rather batter hungry and always had an annoying notification about dialing *28 for voicemail when I had none.
Aside from this, don't AOSP roms also lack some core functionality that Sense roms have? I don't remember the specifics, but IIRC, no HDMI, many lack 4G, etc.[/QUOTE]
In the past yes. I was on a sense based ROM for awhile but constantly switched between that and CM. Finally when CM7 reverse engineered 4G and HDMI, I've been rocking that out like it's going out of style. I just love how speedy and responsive it is. Thought honestly, in my opinion, if you put enough widgets and crap on the home screens like there are in Sense based ROMs the speed will even out. Just from what I've experienced though.
Basically I'd like to be persuaded as to whether to use a sense rom (e.g ARHD) or a nosense rom (e.g CM7). And if I use CM7 can I install the HTC dialer and messaging app?
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Previously I was using ARHD (sense) and go launcher, and I've just updated to the new ARHD with sense 3. As much as I like it, it's not quite as minimalist as I liked with go launcher and my battery life is not as good (sense is a battery hod, no denying).
I'm tempted to go the other way; CM7 with no sense features. What are the advantages of this? Why do some people prefer no sense?
Can I install the sense APKs of the apps I like? The htc dialer is great, as is the messaging/
I can't answer all your questions however I recently went from RCMix3d 1.4 runny to CM7 and I'm loving the change. The battery life is excellent and it makes me wonder why I was using sense in the first place.
I don't even miss it that much, apart from the odd thing. I'll take longer battery life over flashy show off animations any day
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Tamen said:
Basically I'd like to be persuaded as to whether to use a sense rom (e.g ARHD) or a nosense rom (e.g CM7). And if I use CM7 can I install the HTC dialer and messaging app?
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Can I install the sense APKs of the apps I like? The htc dialer is great, as is the messaging/
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No, the HTC apps won't run without the Sense framework.
Beyond that, I'm not going to persuade you with way; the only way to decide is to backup, flash cm7 and see which one you prefer.
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I suggest giving MIUI a try. It is basedd om CM7,has great features and is very easy to customise!
Definately take a look at MIUI as well Its an AOSP rom like CM7 but with some very nice additions. If you like to try out different themes and lots of personalization options MIUI is definately the way to go.
But in the end both ways (sense or no sense) have their advantages. What i dont like about sense is that its so bloated up with stuff you rarely ever use. You can cleane some of it with scripts like rom cleaner but still we're talking 350mb rom (sense) vs 80-90mb rom (CM7 or MIUI).
On the other hand with sense you get one good looking theme and good to very good apps for all the features of your phone. On CM7 you might need to find another app to play music via DLNA for example and another app for weather and so on.
sense and see how you feel if you dont like then go for no sense .....simple really
im with sense atm and feel that it is good
you could try the better of both worlds by flashing DeDense from this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1207645
Try Helios 0913 for a CM7 rom if you're gonna try one. It'll make you not wanna go back. These forums are crowded with sense roms that look exactly the same and offer nothing different, except some visual stuff, than the other 20 or so sense roms that are here. A good AOSP rom is hard to find on HTC phones now. Like I said though, try Helios or better yet, Hydrogenmod and you'll forget all about sense.
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I love Helios too but, more broadly, I went the way of CM7-based ROMs in general + Lord Clockan's amazing kernels and never looked back.
I never enjoyed such a snappy and responsive device when I was on Sense-based ROMs. Ditto battery life. I'm a massive CyanogenMod fanboy now, and will be flashing Nightlies (which are in a very good condition ATM) until Richfish updates Helios.
People on Sense ROMs have good things to report too, though, so my suggestion (which you've probably already heard a million times) is to try stuff out for yourself.
No one will be able to tell you what you would prefer. Test out a CM rom and a sense rom. Make your own mind up.
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Seriously no idea which one to choose, is there JB ROM but not stock, I like the camera and Motions, pop up screen etc. Deleting Touchwiz erases all of them, also No idea which one is stable, they all claim it
BAN!!!!!
I don't understand, do you want a touchwiz jb rom or not? If you want tw, i tried frostyjb rom and it seem fully functional. I only used it a few hours because people were saying it had bad battery life. If you don't want tw, id suggest trying either aokp or cm10
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Seriously no idea which one to choose, is there JB ROM but not stock, I like the camera and Motions, pop up screen etc. Deleting Touchwiz erases all of them, also No idea which one is stable, they all claim it
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Really depends on what you want. I have found WickedV5 works best for me. It isn't based on JB which I have found not to be as stable but it does have Google Now.
Alot of it depend on your own personal preference and even your own individual device.
I personally go with AOSP ROMs. I get 4+ hours of screen on time with those
Hi everyone,
I really like Aopk and I have used it on my old S2. I was really exited when it came out for the S4 and I flashed it right away but I was really disappointed when I saw that the S4 features were not there. Is there a rom that is very similar to Aopk and has all the S4 features or at least has a very similar lockscreen (very important to me)? I looked at a lot of ROMs that have the S4 features but they look almost the same way as the S4 original look (stock). I wan't it to be stable because I use it for work and for school and I can't have it doing weird things on me. If there isn't a ROM like that is there any way I can take the Aopk ROM and take another ROM that has all the S4 features and some how combine them?(my only complaint to Aopk is that it doesn't have the S4 features)
Oh and by the way, I have the T-Mobile S4
Thank You
If by 'S4 features' you mean the samsung apps and TouchWiz UI then no. Those are locked into the stock rom. There are roms that remove the carrier bloat of the original rom while leaving TouchWiz and samsung apps intact, which it sounds like you have found. But I dont think its possible to add the samsung apps to something like AOKP. AOKP and AOSP are by definition open source so using the closed source Samsung software wouldnt make sense. Thats my understanding, I may be misinformed.
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Hi everyone,
I really like Aopk and I have used it on my old S2. I was really exited when it came out for the S4 and I flashed it right away but I was really disappointed when I saw that the S4 features were not there. Is there a rom that is very similar to Aopk and has all the S4 features or at least has a very similar lockscreen (very important to me)? I looked at a lot of ROMs that have the S4 features but they look almost the same way as the S4 original look (stock). I wan't it to be stable because I use it for work and for school and I can't have it doing weird things on me. If there isn't a ROM like that is there any way I can take the Aopk ROM and take another ROM that has all the S4 features and some how combine them?(my only complaint to Aopk is that it doesn't have the S4 features)
Oh and by the way, I have the T-Mobile S4
Thank You
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Yea it's not really possible. The closest thing you would get is by taking one of the Google Edition ROMs and hacking in the features yourself since they do run on the TouchWiz Framework and Kernel, it's just stripped down to Vanilla Android.
By the features I mean NFC, S Beam, Air view, Motions and gestures, and stuff like that. Can you guys explain what you said in the previous posts a little more, because I have simple knowledge about ROMs but I am not all that advanced. Is there any way I can at least completely change the lockscreen to look like Aopk's if I can't have Aopk and the features?
Thank You
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By the features I mean NFC, S Beam, Air view, Motions and gestures, and stuff like that. Can you guys explain what you said in the previous posts a little more, because I have simple knowledge about ROMs but I am not all that advanced. Is there any way I can at least completely change the lockscreen to look like Aopk's if I can't have Aopk and the features?
Thank You
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Stock ROM runs on stock everything, as well as Touchwiz Launcher.
AOKP,CM10, and AOSP Roms Run on Trebuchet, Nova or Apex Launcher.
Stock ROM has al lthese features built in, as well as proprietary files that are made just for stock Touchwiz Period. The have been signed and designed to work with TouchWiz Roms only..
Now if you want Aokp type Lockscreen, there are plenty of Mods and Themes that Can help You with that, PLENTY, Look in the THEMES & APPS SECTION of t he International Galaxy S4 section or the T-Mobile Section. Spend a little more time on XDA as well and you'll find the answer to your question in little or no time at all.
But In simple form, NO , Those features you listed only work on touchwiz Roms, and just a small thing as changing the launcher can disable som of them permanently.
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Stock ROM runs on stock everything, as well as Touchwiz Launcher.
AOKP,CM10, and AOSP Roms Run on Trebuchet, Nova or Apex Launcher.
Stock ROM has al lthese features built in, as well as proprietary files that are made just for stock Touchwiz Period. The have been signed and designed to work with TouchWiz Roms only..
Now if you want Aokp type Lockscreen, there are plenty of Mods and Themes that Can help You with that, PLENTY, Look in the THEMES & APPS SECTION of t he International Galaxy S4 section or the T-Mobile Section. Spend a little more time on XDA as well and you'll find the answer to your question in little or no time at all.
But In simple form, NO , Those features you listed only work on touchwiz Roms, and just a small thing as changing the launcher can disable som of them permanently.
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Thank you for the great info! and will the International Galaxy S4 section stuff work on the T-mobile phones?
futbolista169 said:
Thank you for the great info! and will the International Galaxy S4 section stuff work on the T-mobile phones?
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Unfortunately not. But The International Roms are feature packed my friend. Try The Omega Rom, and you can pretty much use the domination theme. P.M Me for more help buddy.
The closest you're going to get is to run Apex or Nova launcher and a AOSP based lock screen on the stock ROM. Not a bad solution and it will retain all of the S4 TW features.
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The closest you're going to get is to run Apex or Nova launcher and a AOSP based lock screen on the stock ROM. Not a bad solution and it will retain all of the S4 TW features.
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Can you please give me a link to exactly what you are talking about(or download link)? I really want a lockscreen with a slider and you slide to an app and then you put in your pattern to unlock and then you go you your application you've chosen or to your home screen.
futbolista169 said:
Can you please give me a link to exactly what you are talking about(or download link)? I really want a lockscreen with a slider and you slide to an app and then you put in your pattern to unlock and then you go you your application you've chosen or to your home screen.
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Lockscreen - Holo Locker Plus - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobint.locker.plus&hl=en
Launcher - Either Apex or Nova
I've been on CM for the last few years, but I've been running Wicked V4 on this new S4 and LOVE it. Since my OG droid in '09, this is one of my favorite ROMs. Performance-wise it's really really good. Best battery life I've every had on a phone (don't know how much of that is S4 and how much of that is ROM/kernel)
It's AOSP-ish in that it's fully debloated (no samsung or T-mo apps), and it's not themed. That being said, it runs on the TouchWiz framework, so you get all the S4's new hardware features.
It's also a little CM-ish in that there's some minor configurability with respect to the notification bar (clock colors, position, battery icons, etc)
Give it a try!!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2265998
I recommend either the infamous ROM or the Wicked ROM. 3minit settings (infamous) makes the phone very customizable. Wicked has (and is expanding) his own ROM control. I've tried both ROMs and honestly don't miss AOSP whatsoever.
It's easier to click "thanks" than type it.
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I recommend either the infamous ROM or the Wicked ROM. 3minit settings (infamous) makes the phone very customizable. Wicked has (and is expanding) his own ROM control. I've tried both ROMs and honestly don't miss AOSP whatsoever.
It's easier to click "thanks" than type it.
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Buddy i went to aosp and came right Back lol.. For Some reason though I haven't tried pure CM 10.1... OH well.
se1000 said:
Lockscreen - Holo Locker Plus - https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.mobint.locker.plus&hl=en
Launcher - Either Apex or Nova
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Hi,
I really like Apex and I really like Holo Locker Plus so thank you for the suggestions but when I lock my screen and then press the power button 99% of the time Holo Locker Plus lockscreen does not appear it just goes to my home screen. How can I fix this? And how can I put a pattern lock on it?
Thanks
futbolista169 said:
Hi,
I really like Apex and I really like Holo Locker Plus so thank you for the suggestions but when I lock my screen and then press the power button 99% of the time Holo Locker Plus lockscreen does not appear it just goes to my home screen. How can I fix this? And how can I put a pattern lock on it?
Thanks
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Not sure about the power button issue. As far as the pattern lock, it should display after the holo screen. Stock would work this way too.
If you like asop looks and theme try this this theme on touchwiz rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2345408
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Thank You for all the suggestions, I have a quick question though. Is the OMega ROM good and stable and will it work on my T-Mobile S4?
Yes, it will. Just make sure you flash a T Mobile based kernel afterwards. Otherwise you'll boot loop.
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Yes, it will. Just make sure you flash a T Mobile based kernel afterwards. Otherwise you'll boot loop.
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can you give me a link to the kernel because I don't have any experience with kernels and I don't want to flash the wrong one?
futbolista169 said:
can you give me a link to the kernel because I don't have any experience with kernels and I don't want to flash the wrong one?
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Here's 3 of the most flashed kernels for our beloved phones. Use them all, and keep the one you like the most.
Ktoonsez kernel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2289140
Faux kernel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2273440
Chronic kernel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2279099
I have had a look through the rom's for the i9195 and can't seem to decide which to get.
My main problems with the stock touchwiz rom are:
Terrible battery life (Having to charge twice a day sometimes)
Occasional lag
Touchwiz itself, I prefer stock Android
So I want a good stock rom, or something customised with cool features which I can atleast get a day's heavy use from.
I'll miss the little things like saying cheese to get the camera to take a picture, anything I can do to get this back?
It must be stable.
Everything must work.
Another thing I want but doesn't have to be incorporated in the rom is a launcher that supports placing apps inside the app drawer into folders, any suggestions? Must have the look of the stock android or nexus 5 launcher.
Thanks In Advance
captainjames said:
I have had a look through the rom's for the i9195 and can't seem to decide which to get.
My main problems with the stock touchwiz rom are:
Terrible battery life (Having to charge twice a day sometimes)
Occasional lag
Touchwiz itself, I prefer stock Android
So I want a good stock rom, or something customised with cool features which I can atleast get a day's heavy use from.
I'll miss the little things like saying cheese to get the camera to take a picture, anything I can do to get this back?
It must be stable.
Everything must work.
Another thing I want but doesn't have to be incorporated in the rom is a launcher that supports placing apps inside the app drawer into folders, any suggestions? Must have the look of the stock android or nexus 5 launcher.
Thanks In Advance
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I'm pretty sure asking for recommended ROM is against the forum rule, but since your problem lies elsewhere, so here it is: You can stay with TW ROM and improve your battery life by using custom kernel. The CPU governor is the main reason for poor battery life.
As for ROMs, well there's a few to choose from you got to do some research yourself. But I prefer Slimroms since it bare minimum.
You're free to use any launcher as you please even on TW. Note though flash kernel or ROM will trip knox.
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look my friend is about what you looking for there are some rom for you taste but.. you can test carbon i a good one... MUIU v5 that a very customizable rom and have good battery life! ther eis a new one LewaOS im testing that one and very cool and smoth this phone have agood battery life so you can go for something customizable! other roms like LS or Cyanogen are pretty good tho! :good::fingers-crossed: