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[Q] Is there any sense in using Sense? =]

I mean, what will I lose if I choose to use a rom without sense?
Do I get less battery drain?

you'll lose:
Sense Launcher, Sense Widgets - this can be fully replaced by Launcher Plus Pro, or, if you don't like the look of Sense Widgets by ADW.Launcher
Sense programs, like mail, calendar, ...
FM Radio
HTC Sync - you won't be able to sync your Desire calendar with Outlook directly any longer. You'll have to buy third party software to do this via the Google cloud or you use an Exchange Server.
Because the HTC Froyo source got released now, as it seems, you'll also be able to undervolt Sense ROMs now.
However, non Sense ROMs are lighter, more customized and contain some essential features which I miss on Sense ROMs: Bluetooth HID support.

Why get rid of sense?, its amazing!!!

you will also loose htc dialer and htc contacts

I love sense because of the widgets I keep it for that.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Agreed. I love everything about sense. It makes the phone great. If I wanted senseless I could have bought an N1.

Sense is the reason desire is the best smart phone! I would not dream having a smartphone without it...
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Sense is very nice but I see that there are many roms that don't contain it. So, I was wondering if it realy is neasecery, or what is better in a non-sense rom, and if a non-sense rom is less hungry for battery

I have two Desires - one has a Sense ROM and the other is running CyanogenMod. There are one or two small things I prefer about the CyanogenMod ROM, but a great deal more I prefer about Sense, but there are others on this forum who will tell you the opposite, and be equally correct because it is just an opinion.
One thing I will say though is that you will often hear that non-Sense ROMs are "faster" than Sense ROMs. In my experience, if there is a speed difference, you can only really tell in benchmarks - in general use I feel my Sense phone is every bit as fast as my CyanogenMod phone. The same is true on battery life - both seem to sip about the same amount of power.
I don't think there is any real alternative other than trying out a non-Sense ROM for yourself and making your own choice.
Regards,
Dave

You can undervolt Sense roms of course. Also now with S-Off you can remove the Sense apps you dont need easily from the phone.
After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
Respect to all the rom makers Sense or non.Sense.

Thanks for all the responses, you helped a lot =]

Nutsonfire said:
After playing with a non-Sense rom I am back to a Sense one mainly because I cold not live with the battery drain and I can now customize the Sense apps.
On Alex 1.7 and with light use I can almost go 3 days on a battery... with a non-Sense rom I could barely make 24-36h (wipe before flash and few apps installed, no sync), so it's clear in my case which rom type drains more battery.
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Mhh, something wasn't working properly then. With very light use I can also get 3 days battery life.
Else it's difficult to compare, because it heavily depends on how you use the phone. Playing around, surfing, ... drastically reduces battery life.
However, at the moment I use DeFroST 5.0 with HAVS kernel and the battery life looks perfect to me.
Nutsonfire said:
Also this Alex 1.7 Sense rom is smooth as silk and I never get any apps or the whole phone crashing (daily occurence in aosp rom for many people?).
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Should be fixed now. AOSP roms had a few issues, but at it seems as if they're ironed out.
Nutsonfire said:
Aosp roms are great if you like messing around with your phone all the time, but you cant get away with the fact that Sense roms just work.
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Somehow true, sometimes, but sense roms also have bugs often, and a not working revision, which gets fixed in the next release.
So if you want a stable ROM use the stock. If you want some customization, use a custom sense rom. If you don't use sense features, replaced it with other apps/widgets/tools, and need some AOSP rom features, then get an AOSP rom.

i dont have a Desire atm, but i plan on getting one soon (or possibly the DHD). I like sense, especially the new one which allows you to theme it. But something i've noticed with sense compared to stock is that HTC have removed a lot of animations. Like when opening an app or closing it. It instantly opens or closes with no animation. Stock android has a sort of zoom in zoom out animations.
From what i understand, HTC have set the options to "Some animations" in the settings by default. Could someone here go into Settings, Sound and Display, Animations, and set it to All Animations and report here if they see any changes?

htc contacts, gallery , dialer , camera and video , radio, weather ,friendstream are light years and galaxies far away from the aosp android ones...

[Q] Best Rom?

So I'm getting a desire i need to know what rom you people think is the best

Crimz onEyed said:
So I'm getting a desire i need to know what rom you people think is the best
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Lol there's nothing like a best rom out there: you have to see which one fills your needs...my favorite sense rom is leedroid, because of the great reliabilty, the excellent battery life and the nice guy behind the project. If you're looking for an AOSP rom instead you should try open desire, it's fast and well made, plus it's imho the most stable of its kind. Just my 2 cents.
Sent from my HTC Desire using Tapatalk

I've been swapping between CyanogenMod and VillianRom for a few weeks.
VillianRom is pretty cool. A clean and fast Sense rom.

No miui? I've been using that for a while now, love the new redesigned one!

Does that answer your question 3 people 5 different roms
Only way is to try them

"Best" is extremely subjective
Try and see what suits you, as it has been already suggested by others.

If you dont care about Sense, sense widgets and HTC stuff, go with OpenDesire.

the new desire hd rom are great! really fast, the only thing lacking is camera function but once thats fixed, it will be the best for me.

A brief comparison of what i like about the 3 main rom types:
MIUI: It is easily the smoothest of all the rom types. I love the notification controls (for pretty much everything - wifi, bluetooth, brightness etc). Great battery life. A zillion home screens.
What i dont like is the new menu that pops up when you press.....menu. I preferred the old one with the images (If any one knows a way or knows what i would need to do to revert it to the old school one, pretty please let me know!).
Cyanogen-based: I used to use OpenDesire, but after the arguments with credits and what not, and because of the faster releases, i use Defrost. I love how there are always new and sometimes surprisingly good features being added, like the coloured LogCat, for example.
SenseHD: I think sense is gorgeous, especially the dialler, contacts, messaging and personalisation apps. After using sense, i cant stand the stock android ones - they are so bland. I like the animated flipclock, too. I do not like how the (a tiny niggle, but it bothers me greatly) (when you press menu) menu pops up, and doesnt fade in compeltely, it kind of appears half way and fades the rest. It also happens with dialog boxes and things. This almost spoils sense for me (i am that sad...i know). Battery life is slightly less on senseHD roms for me.
As for the camera, it doesnt bother me toooooo much - the quality of the photos from the N1/Desire camera are pretty average, and if i needed a camera for something, i would take one. If/when the get it working, it would be a fantastic bonus. I always found that video recording with sense roms had a jolt every 5 seconds or so.
All those things aside, i am using senseHD because of its awesome dialler and stuff.
Josh.

I prefer Leedroid Sense rom for daily use. This is the only rom I've used long term and have never come across any issues.
For AOSP based rom, I prefer Defrost or Cyanogen. Both perform very well while keeping true to the stock android feel.

If you want something normal and you like:
AOSP - OpenDesire
Sense UI - LeeDrOiD
If you want something different and are a:
iOS fiend - MIUI
Desire HD wannabe - RCMixHD

If you want Sense, then it's RCMixHD. If you don't want it, go for OpenDesire. MIUI is also nice, but I'm SenseHD addict
Sent from my HDfied HTC Desire

LeeDroid
LeeDroid !

Defrost is best for me
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

Vote for Leedroid

OpenDesire !
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=768624
Smooth & Best for battery drain !

Leedroid for me.

A quick LOL at the results... seems that "Others" dominate the answers
Voting for LeeDroid. It's the only one I miss while ROM-surfing

no leedroid ? tested allmost everything, personal exp. is that nothin beats Lee's..

Moved to general as not development.
try them all download loads and try them, and use whatever suits you best

Which ROM is running on your Desire... Please Vote

...Since the last Poll started a long time ago, I thought it would be nice to see whats the most favorite Rom on the market at the moment.
So please vote for your Rom and maybe describe your choice...

CyanogenMod Nightly here as my sig says.

oxygen rom
i prefer AOSP roms

Still the wrong forum, has nothing to do with Development....

Oxygen ROM. It's best for me.

karloe said:
Still the wrong forum, has nothing to do with Development....
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i would say it has to do with development in the aspect that we can see what roms are most used and that might help the developers deside what ppl want in there roms and maybe add some features that other roms have to there´s to get it more popular.
would also help new ppl decide what rom to take since they will prolly start with the one most ppl use couse that must be allround good and pretty general appealing also it gives a better oversight of what roms that there are.

I use Defrost now cause I like the AOSP Rom, but when I do use Sense, it's LeeDroid All the way..
Both are super stable, have almost all features people require, and if they dont, the dev's are usually able to include it within a couple releases. Also, both dev's spend alot of time interacting with the communities on the forums, which is a great sign of ANY rom!

My own Rom Based on the HTC Stock Froyo 2.10.405.2...

Many of us been using leedroid... I wish there's a leedroid version of non sense super fast stable rom... hope oxygen makes it perfect ^^ i love everything about non sense, but sense dialer is just owning...

I'm running LeeDroid 2.2f because for me, it's a good ratio of classic HTC Sense feeling to root and modding options. Or, to put it like this: It allows me to use all the good things about Sense without restricting me too much. Perfect for a user who, like me, is pretty new to Android.

My prerequisites are sense, UI close to stock, normal battery consumption, a2sd+ and UVOC.I have tried the following over the past couple of weeks:
Leedroid 2.2f- too much bloatware, monstrous battery consumption but the most reliable
dj droid 1.8 - closest to stock, has battery z mod, stable, doesn't have OC, a2sd doesn't function properly.
AuraXTSense 8.0- I'm sticking with this one, it is not bloated, a2sd+ works, fast. Clock with weather widget acts strange but working most of the time. I wouldn't call it unreliable but I managed to freeze it two times [email protected]
Cyanogen 6.0.2. - no sense.
Rom by ieftm - I was planning of sticking with this but it needs to get fixed. One time it installs properly, the other I'm in a boot loop. Changing between recoveries doesn't help here.
Hope this helps.
Sent from my Desire

I`m running CM 6.0.2 because i like Stock Android and it suits me fine...

I use Leedroid 2.2 f as Outlook sync is needed. It's very stable, fast and frugal with SetCPU and Juice Defender configured.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App

I tried the rest but stuck to the best Leedroid wins hands down

Oxxxxxyyyyygggggeeeennnn FTW!
Really, it's a good AOSP ROM.

gotta be defrost, fast reliable, and always updates!

after having tried almost all roms here around now I'm still (more than a month) with Ox
latest beta (0.2.2) is very fast & stable

Running MyTouch 4G.. or Robociks other great roms. Works smooth and well.
Sent from my HTC MyTouch 4G using Tapatalk

I'm using LeeDroid, in part because it's close to what i was moving from and because i also sync with Outlook. I've not yet been brave enough to remove Sense completely, as i'm guessing the HTC sync will go with it.

originally i used sense roms and tried various others (had to go back to sense as aosp roms stuttered and were laggy in comparison for me with 7 full screens). now i go between open desire, oxygen and miui (but with zeam launcher).
really at this point, it's a toss up between the latter 2 - at least until gingerbread comes out

[Q] CyanogenMod vs Sense?

Which one to go for? Do you think sense is a bit of a bloatware and slows the system down?
Thoughts and opinions appreciated?

Ford or Honda?
what do you do with your phone? Do you want/need social networking that is always there? ......could go on and on.
This is a stupid question, read more

Hi dhiral.v
dhiral.v said:
Which one to go for? Do you think sense is a bit of a bloatware and slows the system down?
Thoughts and opinions appreciated?
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It does seem to have a lot of bloat, but I could not say it slow the system down.
But the Sense Rom approx 240MB, where as CM7 Nightly is approx 80MB, IMO it a No Brainer.
Take Care
TheQuest

It isn’t a good question, because it is preference related. You should try both and decide by yourself.
Imo, sense has good things (like camera app, phone app, browser "windows", keyboad) but most part is pure bloatware. So i decided for cm and i'm not able to back sense again.
But of course, it's only my opinion. A LOT people would say i'm wrong...
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

try it for your self mate
ive been a sense user and a cyanogen user
but now im sticking to cyanogen
it really depends on your taste mate

Like the guys above said you should give each one a try before coming to a opinion
.I for one like the social aspect of sense but then DSP in CM is to die for .

Sense roms have better intergration with Facebook and the like. Not a problem for my self as I don't use social networks, but was for my missus. While sense roms are nice they do feel bloated compared to cm and they lack the configurations options of cm too.
Depends on what you want really, try both and see how you go. Nandroid and titanium backup are your friends.

For what it's worth, I always end up going back to a SENSE rom...

tinono said:
For what it's worth, I always end up going back to a SENSE rom...
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And i always end up back on no sense, CyanogenMod i like Mikes work, with his Revolution HD ROM/s, so check them out from time to time as well
Once you see how easy installing and backing up an installation is you will be a ROM addicts in no time
And then you can start playing with themes. there is some good work here done with that as well.

Used cm7 for a week or so. I kept going back to sense roms, bot for the social integration, but because to me, it simply looks much better, and the layout is nice, and the HTC apps are much better for me, than their aosp counterparts.
Gallery, camera, browser, keyboard, messaging, connected media, the themes themselves for me are better functioning, and better looking than the cm7 counterparts.
Sense widgets are nicely made also.
You should try them both and see which you like, it's all preference.
Sent from my Desire HD using XDA App

You have to give them a try!
I like changing ROM often: up to now I like and use a lot the Spike_M ROM that is a lighter version of cynogenmod, fast and smooth. It needs a few to be totally gingerbread.
Otherwise I use Android Revolution 3.2 that is a stock ROM but incredibly fast, stable and long lastng battery (maybe is the best all over). I've to say I like many Sense widget and do not totally dislike the beautifull integration with socials and messaging. HTC is born with touchflo and now with sense. For sure the stock rom gives a sense to the phone itself.
In a few word?
Try....

Ah a very nice question I wanted to ask myself... I started with the xperia x10 and am now with the HTC HD2 forum... there are so many roms available for my HD2
Okay comparing the two ... I would say the integration, look and overall feel of having a sense rom makes me actually like my phone...
Cons.... battery life could be better... I get about 9hrs daily with heavy usage on mornings and evenings before having to charge again

My experience with sense roms are good, but every now and again I get slowdowns. Does this happen with cyanogenMod?

CM is awesome and would be running it on my inspire if the stock htc music player worked on it lol. Sucks cause that's the only reason I just can't make the move lol I love the srs sound on my inspire . So like others have said it ends up coming down to what ya like.
Sent From My HTC Inspire 4G | [ROM] CoreDroid HD FROYO v3.3 | [KERNEL] LeeDrOiD v2.2.8 OC @ 1.5Ghz

i vote for cyanogenmod

ull only like a few appls on sense like the camera app,social network site integration and the HTC KEYBOARD with arrows other then that its all crap.
that's what CM lacks atm. stock camera is not that good and keyboard aint that good.
Camera app of sense + keyboard of sense +FB htc sense+ CM = perfection

CoreDroid is also woth try...

if u wan froyo go for Android Revolution HD 3.3
n if u want gingerbread try CoreDroid HD GB 2.3.3 V4.8

Having a lot of choice is a much better problem than having no choice
Anyways, I'm a big fan of SENSE. I love the way they have integrated all the social media. Especially for me, since I don't visit facebook often. So I love the fact that updates are pushed to me.
Anycase, if you are into a lot of social hubs, then Sense People app is worth its salt. I also like the level of polish Sense brings on top of android.
However, if you are a purist ( as many over here are ), go with cynogen.
However, I believe the Cynogen Mod's battery life is not as good as some of the "SENSE" based ROMS, like Leedroid or revo series (Correct me if I'm wrong!).

allajunaki said:
However, I believe the Cynogen Mod's battery life is not as good as some of the "SENSE" based ROMS, like Leedroid or revo series (Correct me if I'm wrong!).
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yes found the sense roms are easier on the battery so far, but CyanMod have improved in this section a fair way in recent months

Need advice from Desire HD users!!

I'm looking for a bit of advice, my friend just came into town to visit me with a desire hd, and I've been looking for a good stable rom for him, the phone is already s-off rooted and all that, it has a ext-4 recovery or something like that based off clockworkmod, whoever did the phone put a nosense/sense 3.0 rom on it but after I compared it to my htc hd2 running cm7 wasn't too impressed, and I know the desire hd can run a whole lot better, but after looking thru the roms found almost all roms are based of sense 3.0 or 3.5 , is there any good aosp or cm7 that any would recommend for me or any good stable sense rom that definitely is the preferred, and if anyone has any suggestions and can add what radio and ril I need for it I would appreciated. I searched and the cm7 looked like there were issues with them and ultimate droid had been discontinued, was hoping MDJ was still working in them, but I guess everyone is moving to sense.

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Be patient okay well cm7 is the best aosp Rom (stable and a lot of support)but in my opinion sense 3.5 from rcmix is THE BEST ROM
Sent from my HTC Desire HD using XDA App

Android Revolution HD is a great sense ROM, there is also a de-sense flashable zip.
By the way, your comments above (however intended) won't win you any help! ! Keep that in mind.
ROM styles and features are personal taste, so best to try a few and make up your own mind. Just follow the Devs guide / OP and FAQ.
Backup apps and data with apps such as Titanium Backup (pro) and use CWM Recovery for nan-backup prior to flashing new ROMs or addons.
You may need to full wipe before flashing between ROMs (lose apps and data),.so backup first.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using xda premium

There are many of us willing to help out as much as we can, but we are in different time zones, countries etc.
Have a look at some of the screenshots in my sig to help with visual ideas, plus an up-to-date list of current XDA roms with links to the XDA threads.
Personally I enjoyed CM7 for ages and now I'm really happy with MIUI or the MIUI Freshly Squeezed Edition.

If you want AOSP ROM then try Hydrogenmod once.

CM7 is ok, but imo, Miui looks better. You can replace the miui launcher with LP/ADW and you still get the miui icon backgrounds. They both are pretty smooth and stable. Miui also has a pretty good music player with lyrics and a equalizer. CM7 has a super bright torch (Its brighter than most lights...) and DSP manager. I haven't seen any issues with CM7, most of the nightlies are pretty stable, CM7 based roms such as helios and hydrogen are also stable. Sci miui, RD miui and freshly squeezed are also really stable miui roms.
Sense just looks really nice, but isnt that functional or smooth (The launcher pretty much lags when a page is filled with apps, and the appdrawer always lags). Sense just has a better camcorder (Best AOSP camcorder is LG camcorder, which can record 1080p but still has no proper touch to focus in video - It does display a focusing icon now but still doesnt seem to focus for me). ROM Cleaner [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1050283] can remove most of the useless sense features.
Revolution would probably be the smoothest and most stable Sense 3.0 Rom. Leedroid is a good sense 2.1 rom (The new sense 3.0 version is somewhat glitchy). You can also try the V6 Supercharge script [http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1278299]

CM7 nightlies (I'm on 220 at present) have always worked very nicely for me, together with the latest radio and matching RIL. I generally have the LCD density set to around 190-200.
The only thing I missed coming from Sense was the calendar and bookmark widgets, replacements for these can be found using Android Pro Widgets on the market.
Why anyone would use Sense is a mystery to me. It's slow, bloated and battery life is horrible compared to CM7. Also beware MIUI as in my experience the battery drain on standby can be horrific - not sure if that has been sorted out in the most recent version though.

I apologize if some thought I was being out of line getting upset but sitting, watching the thread sit and the views count going up, and nobody bothering to make a suggestion was pretty upsetting. I know we are in different time zones, and I would understand if that was the case and nobody was in the forum to lend a hand, but that wasn't the case, people were taking the time to read it and move on and post to other threads, that's why I got upset.
For the people that took the time and help me out I thank you, I hope I can squeeze time today before my friend has to fly back home to do his phone and put something stable enough for his every day use.

roloracer said:
I'm looking for a bit of advice, my friend just came into town to visit me with a desire hd, and I've been looking for a good stable rom for him, the phone is already s-off rooted and all that, it has a ext-4 recovery or something like that based off clockworkmod, whoever did the phone put a nosense/sense 3.0 rom on it but after I compared it to my htc hd2 running cm7 wasn't too impressed, and I know the desire hd can run a whole lot better, but after looking thru the roms found almost all roms are based of sense 3.0 or 3.5 , is there any good aosp or cm7 that any would recommend for me or any good stable sense rom that definitely is the preferred, and if anyone has any suggestions and can add what radio and ril I need for it I would appreciated. I searched and the cm7 looked like there were issues with them and ultimate droid had been discontinued, was hoping MDJ was still working in them, but I guess everyone is moving to sense.
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If you like what all HTC can do with Sense 3.5 on Android, check out RCMix Runny 1.5 or RCMix Bliss 1.3 ROMs. Stable releases with fixes coming often for issues if any.
For a stable release with Sense 3 and latest gingerbread, check Android Revolution HD (most widely used ROM for DHD).
But, the best thing you can do is try as many ROM's as you can and use each for atleast a week. I could not stand MIUI which many like for whatever reasons they have.

Can someone tell me which ROM has the best battery life?

In my little experience i can say:
-the fastest Sense 3 Rom i've used was the Pyramid3d 1.1
-the nicest one with all the new Sense 3.5 feature, stable and smooth, is the Runny3D and i must say love Sense 3.5!
Now i'm on BlackIce,very speed and for now i've got the best battery life but i'm using it since yesterday so i must test well... Thanks to IceTool Dolby and SRS are working too .
So if you wont AOSP Rom i think BlackIce is the best one!
(Sorry for bad english!)