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Wi-Fi location

My Desire has a huge problem with determining my location in my home. I only use wireless networks to determine the location (I wouldn't have a GPS signal inside anyway). Sometimes my location is being incorrectly determined as Hamburg, Germany - and this was only a minor annoyance until it started changing the time zone to that of Germany. So, I would go to bed in the evening after setting my alarm, and I would wake up in Hamburg's timezone (or even in both timezones - the alarm going off twice). I enabled obtaining the time from the network (this could mean GSM or NTP or both).
The problem must be my wi-fi because:
- I used Google Maps with cellular location on wi-fi-less phone before, without problems
- The Desire's IP address is in the 192.168.*.* family, I doubt they would use that for geo-location
- The external IP address of my wireless router has always been located correctly (e.g. Google.com redirects me to the local website)
- The only explanation is that the SSID of my WiFi is registered in Hamburg and Andoid ignores all the previous reliable clues for location and sets the location based only on a completely unreliable SSID database.
I've been reading forums, and people say there is no way to submit or correct entries in this database. Does anybody know of a workaround or a solution to this?

I don't think it uses the SSID,but some one else asked about it and was refered to this
http://standards.ieee.org/regauth/oui/index.shtml
I think it's more likly to be by ip,anyway here's a link for that too
http://www.maxmind.com/app/city_accuracy

Thank you for the reply. You are right, it's not the SSID, as changing it has no effect. Also, my IP has always been correctly located, including in maxmind's database.
I now think the cause could be the MAC of the router... I can't change that (unless I get a new router) and I can't find any reference about a public database that Google is using. I need to find a solution to this and fast, because it's a deal-breaker and I would have to return the phone.

This is not an issue with your phone. It is a problem with Google maps and Google's location service. Google use the MAC address of the surrounding access points. I had an issue where my location was determined to be 200 miles away when using wifi in a rural area with only one access point in range. I was being placed at my previous address as that is where Google had catalogued the access point (possibly when doing the Street View survey). The only way that I'm aware of to improve this is to submit a bug report to Google on:
https: //services.google.com/fb/forms/wifibugs/
I'm surprised that Google don't collect data directly from Google maps when your phone can see GPS and WiFi signals in order to automatically update their system.

Sorry about the space in the above URL. The rules here didn't allow me to post a URL so I had to post it that way.

Through Google location and online IP trackers, I get placed as 60-300 miles away from my home since a year now- seems pretty random. Doesn't bother me really.
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60-300 miles away wouldn't bother me either. For my location, it gets it wrong by over 1000 miles, while online trackers always get it right. And even that wouldn't be a problem if the phone wouldn't switch the timezone and mess my alarms and calendar.
I mean, what the hell? Cellphone towers and IP addresses are not precise, wifi can position you more accurately, but when these's a 1000 miles distance between the location returned with these methods, which one do you trust? I believe cellphone towers and IP addresses are always more reliable, because they are assigned in a controlled manner.

Windows 7 Mobile - Force browsing through Corporate proxy server

I've just got hold of an HTC Mozart 7 for testing purposes at work before we consider dishing these our to users. (On the Orange Network)
Unlike the previous versions of Windows Mobile, I cannot find anywhere to specify the proxy server address so that browsing goes through our corporate proxy server.
Can anyone help/shed any light on this?
Cheers,
pno

Nope, I've not been able to find this either....
I can't connect to my hidden WiFi network at work, so can't really use the Proxy server anyways....
Hoping the WP7 SP1 has some of these simplistic fixes in there...

On some old Qtek devices we had we used to be able to force all web access to first go through the proxy, be it WiFi or mobile data.

Connect to your wifi network, where it shows the list of networks it should show yours and say connected.
Tap on the name and it will list the connection details and also allow you to add a proxy.

loomx said:
Connect to your wifi network, where it shows the list of networks it should show yours and say connected.
Tap on the name and it will list the connection details and also allow you to add a proxy.
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^ This. I use my wp7 through our proxy all the time.

Fine for Wifi traffic, but I also need to regulate the mobile data traffic

pnopine said:
Fine for Wifi traffic, but I also need to regulate the mobile data traffic
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That can be done legally?

addicus said:
That can be done legally?
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Yes.
We provide and pay for the devices and service, we also set out the terms of use/company policy when using a company device, and in order to preserve the security and integrity of our network, there are certain network resources which we prohibit users to access, we control this by means of a proxy server.
It's no different to being in the office and getting your Internet access through a proxy server.

yeah I'm pretty dissapointed with WP7 so far - Its like they've 'dumbed' it down to the point of being useable only by my 3 year old and my grandma.
For businesses I see allot of problems - Not being able to deploy apps without marketplace is going to be a nightmare (I don't want to have to create multiple live.com accounts just to get downloads!).
PAP Authentication is not currently support - useless for private APN's.
Proxy not being supported is a biggie problem I have too mate

zoomee said:
yeah I'm pretty dissapointed with WP7 so far - Its like they've 'dumbed' it down to the point of being useable only by my 3 year old and my grandma.
For businesses I see allot of problems - Not being able to deploy apps without marketplace is going to be a nightmare (I don't want to have to create multiple live.com accounts just to get downloads!).
PAP Authentication is not currently support - useless for private APN's.
Proxy not being supported is a biggie problem I have too mate
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MS has said that at the start it will be consumer focus with business focus coming throughout 2011. As for no proxy, proxy is available through wifi. once connected, press and hold on the connected wifi spot and click edit. you can adjust proxy settings there.
it isn't available through 3G, but then again, i'm not sure if this is capable of any phone is it? or if the carriers like it either?

The Gate Keeper said:
MS has said that at the start it will be consumer focus with business focus coming throughout 2011. As for no proxy, proxy is available through wifi. once connected, press and hold on the connected wifi spot and click edit. you can adjust proxy settings there.
it isn't available through 3G, but then again, i'm not sure if this is capable of any phone is it? or if the carriers like it either?
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Do you have find a solution? I need a PAP auth for my APN.
Thanks
Tony

pnopine said:
Yes.
We provide and pay for the devices and service, we also set out the terms of use/company policy when using a company device, and in order to preserve the security and integrity of our network, there are certain network resources which we prohibit users to access, we control this by means of a proxy server.
It's no different to being in the office and getting your Internet access through a proxy server.
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and how do you keep the end users from editing that?

nrfitchett4 said:
and how do you keep the end users from editing that?
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That was going to be my question...even if you could force their network traffic through your proxy, what stops them just disabling it again?
Perhaps, your company policy requires it? But even if it is possible, is it enforceable?

[Q] Network location determined by ...

I was hoping someone can confirm with me if their G2 is working 'properly' with this option enabled: Location & security settings \ Use wireless networks (checked)
Test would be to see if your Google Map (or other apps that needs your location like some weather apps) can find or track you rather than being fixated at your last known position.
Mine seems to only work when using a Wi-Fi network or when I switch to EDGE cell network (2G). Never have seen it work properly with WCDMA (which is HSDPA default) and I have been using Anycut to view the Phone's info to see this portion of tidbits. BTW, I don't have 4G in my area just yet.
Is this just my phone or something in common with all G2s. My G1 does not have this issue at all.
Thanks to anyone that can verify with me.

i can confirm that my g2 has the same issue

hey try using the app gps settings to download agps data. It worked for me in finding my location via the network so it should work for you as well.

icruisin said:
I was hoping someone can confirm with me if their G2 is working 'properly' with this option enabled: Location & security settings \ Use wireless networks (checked)
Test would be to see if your Google Map (or other apps that needs your location like some weather apps) can find or track you rather than being fixated at your last known position.
Mine seems to only work when using a Wi-Fi network or when I switch to EDGE cell network (2G). Never have seen it work properly with WCDMA (which is HSDPA default) and I have been using Anycut to view the Phone's info to see this portion of tidbits.
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The way it works is this; the tower ID numbers are sent from your phone to google. Google then looks up the coordinates of that tower in their tower database, and sends the coordinates back to you. You then have your approximate location. If the particular tower you are connected to is NOT LISTED within google's database, then they will be unable to determine your location.
BTW, I don't have 4G in my area just yet.
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Congratulations, neither does anyone else since there is not a single service provider in north america that has begun rolling out 4G (despite lies to the contrary). You will be able to recognize 4G by the speed -- 100 Mb/s down, 50 Mb/s up. Your phone is NOT CAPABLE of anything even REMOTELY CLOSE to this.
Is this just my phone or something in common with all G2s. My G1 does not have this issue at all.
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Could be a glitch in the software, I suppose, but more likely you are connected to a different tower.

[Q] Very odd SSL issue

I'm experiencing a very odd issue with my Galaxy S3 on the Virgin Network. For some reason I can't go on any SSL enabled site no matter what browser I use and which website I go to. The most descriptive error message comes from firefox which says SSL received a record which exceeded the maximum permissible length. Oddly if I enable wifi or otherwise bypass the regular network (VPN etc.) everything works properly. SSL enabled apps like banking sites work with no issue.
I'm currently on the latest nightly of the Carbon Rom, though I've experienced it when I was on Cyanogenmod as well so I don't believe that it has anything to do with the rom itself. Any idea on what might be going on?

Ensure your APN settings are correct.

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I'm experiencing a very odd issue with my Galaxy S3 on the Virgin Network. For some reason I can't go on any SSL enabled site no matter what browser I use and which website I go to. The most descriptive error message comes from firefox which says SSL received a record which exceeded the maximum permissible length. Oddly if I enable wifi or otherwise bypass the regular network (VPN etc.) everything works properly. SSL enabled apps like banking sites work with no issue.
I'm currently on the latest nightly of the Carbon Rom, though I've experienced it when I was on Cyanogenmod as well so I don't believe that it has anything to do with the rom itself. Any idea on what might be going on?
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Is your time and date set to automatic?

My APN settings are correct and my time and date are set to automatic.
After doing some more testing only certain SSL sites don't work which makes the whole situation even more murky. startpage.com doesn't work, but the login of tdcanadatrust does. This is really weird.

Are you in a public WiFi network or in an area with a lot of WiFi networks?
If in public WiFi: Someone may be trying to hack you by SSL strip or redirect you.( Which can be why a VPN works)
If there are many WiFi networks in range : Download WiFi Analyzer from Google play to check WiFi channels, and switch your WiFi router to a cleaner channel if needed.
(If there are a lot of WiFi networks all on the same "channel", it can cause common data loss,lag and congestion. )
Sometimes a VPN can fix the problems with congested wifi channels, but I'm not sure.
If none of these ideas apply, clear cookies and cache.
If that still doesn't work:
Settings > Security > Clear Stored Credentials.
This will clear your SLL certificates and VPN info saved on your device. It might help with your browser.

While the SSL strip idea is a valid point that I hadn't considered initially I don't think that's the issue because I rarely connect to unknown wifi networks when traveling, and I think that all certificates would come back invalid if somoene was pulling that instead of the hit and miss situation I'm currently experiencing.
The Wifi bit is what really gets me though since the sites that don't work on the cell network work perfectly when I'm on wifi with no other changes needed other than the change in the way the phone connects. I have tried clearing the browser's cache with no luck and I'm not able to clear the stored credentials as described as the option is greyed out for me.
I thought that it might have something to do with the cerficates themselves, something about the way the browser/phone accepts certs depending on connection method but I can't see any difference between working sites and non working sites other than a difference in certifying authority (GoDaddy vs Verisign for example)

Problem Solved
I'm bumping up this thread to bring attention to the fact that I've found the solution to the problem. The issue is not with the rom itself, but the proxy that Bell/Virgin insists on its users using. Clearing the proxy and port settings for the Bell APN found under mobile device settings fixes the issue nicely. Special thanks to Dream_Team over at this thread for finding the solution.
Makes me wonder why there's an HTTP only (port 80) proxy set by default in the APN settings when it's not needed to access the network..

Try it yourself, G4 unable to autoconnect to any open WiFi ('internet unavailble')

I would like to invite everyone to try if they have the same problem
For me, I have done a lot of testing, and I have found that, with any open WiFi hotspot (ones doesn't require wifi password to connect, with captive login or not), even G4 saved the network, half times it won't autoconnect.
When you go into wifi setting, the network is there, and there is an message below the nextwork saying:
"internet is unavailable, cannot autoconnect"
But if you tab it manually, it will connect and fine. I tested it with multiple hotspots and all have the same problem. I tried all different ways like delete the networks and re-add, nothing works.
Any of you have same problem please confirm below and let us know if you have found a solution, this is yet another ridiculous problem LG4 has and not fixing it, who are they to decide internet is available or not on a wifi hotspot?
my G4 is 812 10c

Any one encounter the same problem?

Yes I have this issue also. Don't know what would be causing the problem
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Thanks for confirming,
Very annoying issue and I am surprised it hasn't be raised and discussed in here.
For me it is way worse than occasional touch issue
Any solutions will be appreciated
chubbrock said:
Yes I have this issue also. Don't know what would be causing the problem
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I can confirm I have the same issue with mine. Very annoying.

Thanks for confirming, again showing it's not an isolated instance.

Is this issue only for Hotspots? Or any Wifi device? I ask, because I don't see a problem with my WiFi router at home.

raravi said:
Is this issue only for Hotspots? Or any Wifi device? I ask, because I don't see a problem with my WiFi router at home.
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For me it is only for open Wi-FI (no password required to connect), the tend to be public hotspots.

offall said:
For me, I have done a lot of testing, and I have found that, with any open WiFi hotspot, (with captive login or not), even G4 saved the network, half times it won't autoconnect.
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That underlined bit is interesting.
so it seems this only occurs with open networks ie ones that don't require a userid/pass.
otherwise you have no problems connecting when there required login is required and is saved already.
eg. your home wifi ?
some more reading led me to this post.

My G4 doesn't have any problem with the open network at my work. It connects automatically as soon as I drive in the parking lot, if I leave and come back, as soon as I'm in range it re-connects just fine.
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Have we considered this might be done on purpose as a safety thing?
You shouldn't want your phone/laptop connecting to any OPEN network automatically that you haven't vetted. This is how scammers skim passwords, etc., by offering 'free' wifi hotspots in busy areas.

waylo said:
Have we considered this might be done on purpose as a safety thing?
You shouldn't want your phone/laptop connecting to any OPEN network automatically that you haven't vetted. This is how scammers skim passwords, etc., by offering 'free' wifi hotspots in busy areas.
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Not quite, it happens on open networks that I have connected to before i.e. saved and as you put it vetted.
Connecting to saved networks that are passkey protected works fine.

Yes that's right, for me the network that requires password has no problem to auto connect
And the post you linked for refresh DHCP, I tested and it doesn't solve the problem
One Twelve said:
That underlined bit is interesting.
so it seems this only occurs with open networks ie ones that don't require a userid/pass.
otherwise you have no problems connecting when there required login is required and is saved already.
eg. your home wifi ?
some more reading led me to this post.
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Then there is no problem here is there ?

I also have this problem.
To clarify, my situation is for open wifi where the provider redirects you to a webpage where you click "ok" or "accept" to proceed.
The first time I connect, it's fine. But, when my phone tries to auto-connect the next day, it gives the error described. So, I have to manually open up wifi connections, view the list, select the wifi name, and connect.
So it works fine after some manual intervention, but there is a bug I think in how the G4 handles these types of open wifi connections, once they are saved in the phone's history and you try to connect again later. So there is a problem here, but it's somewhat nuanced and easy to miss.

KingFatty said:
I also have this problem.
To clarify, my situation is for open wifi where the provider redirects you to a webpage where you click "ok" or "accept" to proceed.
The first time I connect, it's fine. But, when my phone tries to auto-connect the next day, it gives the error described. So, I have to manually open up wifi connections, view the list, select the wifi name, and connect.
So it works fine after some manual intervention, but there is a bug I think in how the G4 handles these types of open wifi connections, once they are saved in the phone's history and you try to connect again later. So there is a problem here, but it's somewhat nuanced and easy to miss.
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Your description sums up the situation well.

Doing what you want could create a problem of another sort. read this.
http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/64380/stop-wifi-connecting-to-open-networks

No this is not the same.
i only want G4 to autoconnect to network I saved before, meaning the one i have used before and want to use it again.
The problem you are referring to is having android auto connect to random networks, which of course should not happen.
Also G4 currently does not connect to open wifi that doesnt require login either. Even it clear have good internet connection, it wont reconnect, which is clearly a bug
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Doing what you want could create a problem of another sort. read this.
http://android.stackexchange.com/questions/64380/stop-wifi-connecting-to-open-networks
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offall said:
No this is not the same.
i only want G4 to autoconnect to network I saved before, meaning the one i have used before and want to use it again.
The problem you are referring to is having android auto connect to random networks, which of course should not happen.
Also G4 currently does not connect to open wifi that doesnt require login either. Even it clear have good internet connection, it wont reconnect, which is clearly a bug
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see this is where it gets tricky, that post was referring to networks set up by a telco around the city. the ssid is the same its not a random network. This is exactly what you want.
you accepted it when you were in location a, now you are at location b and want to connect. so it should connect automatically ie no different than if you were to return back to location a.
You said home wifi works, so leaving wifi on, walk out of range and then come back in range and it connects automatically. And you expect the same behaviour with an open wifi that you accepted prior.
Way i understood it is that guy is complaining about what you want with open wifi

Thanks for clarifying.
I went back to re-read the post you pointed out. OP of the thread wants to block all the open wifi hotspots with paywall. It is not because he/she used one paywall network work in location A and doesn't want to use it again in location B. OP never used the paywall network (because it charges) and doesn't want to ever connect to it again, in that case, delete it from the saved network list should solve the problem.
In fact, Op also wants to use non-paywall open wifi, which is same as what I want here with G4. We both have the same need, which is auto re-connect to known, used, and trusted network. Here is exactly G4 cannot do and clearly having a problem. As I said before, even for network that is open, no paywall, and no log in required, G4 simply cannot auto connect, and claim "internet is unavailable", which is false and need to be fixed. Furthermore, even if there is a captive login, G4 should not refuse to auto connect before informing user so. While LG clearly has no problem sending tons of notification for their bloated LG smart notices, right now there is no single notice about WiFi auto connect failure, you will only discover the problem after you open WiFI set up page.
I copied OP's own words from the other thread FYI
"here are random open wifi networks everywhere that allow my Android to connect to their network but won't give internet access because there is a paywall"
"There are a wide variety of providers like BTOpenZone. I'd like to block them all, adding exceptions if I ever find a non-paywall connection"
One Twelve said:
see this is where it gets tricky, that post was referring to networks set up by a telco around the city. the ssid is the same its not a random network. This is exactly what you want.
you accepted it when you were in location a, now you are at location b and want to connect. so it should connect automatically ie no different than if you were to return back to location a.
You said home wifi works, so leaving wifi on, walk out of range and then come back in range and it connects automatically. And you expect the same behaviour with an open wifi that you accepted prior.
Way i understood it is that guy is complaining about what you want with open wifi
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