So I'm recently getting into rooting again, and I had some questions about triggering KNOX, which I found in the device administrators section of settings when I updated my phone to 4.3. I know that Note 3 has been using it, and if you flash a ROM then the KNOX counter goes up, and you lose your warranty, and there's no way to lower the KNOX again. I haven't seen anything online about Note 2 using KNOX, so if I were to root my phone, would it set off my KNOX counter, or is Note 2 still using binary count?
Neobyte said:
So I'm recently getting into rooting again, and I had some questions about triggering KNOX, which I found in the device administrators section of settings when I updated my phone to 4.3. I know that Note 3 has been using it, and if you flash a ROM then the KNOX counter goes up, and you lose your warranty, and there's no way to lower the KNOX again. I haven't seen anything online about Note 2 using KNOX, so if I were to root my phone, would it set off my KNOX counter, or is Note 2 still using binary count?
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Knox is in the OTA 4.3 update for note 2
twynn said:
Knox is in the OTA 4.3 update for note 2
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So it WILL trigger it?
Neobyte said:
So it WILL trigger it?
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Yes.
So I would suggest downgrading using the zip file from this thread.
That will get you back to the MC2 bootloader.
Then upgrade again using the directions from the first three posts of this thread. That will get you to 4.3 but with the MC2 bootloader which doesn't have Knox.
So I may be buying a S4 soon but I need help understanding how know works with the s4. I have the tmobile s3, and I was already rooted so have yet to upgrade to 4.3 bootloader. What do I do if I buy a 4.3 S4? will it be easy to root, unknox, etc? will I be gauranteed to lose warantee and not be able to return to factory conditions? All answers are appreciated, Thank you!
This thread is good: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441229
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This thread is good: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2441229
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that guide was written before the 4.3 update, since then a knox counter has been implemented which cannot be reset and therefore will most likely void warranty...
Was just wondering if there is a way to avoid setting off that counter
aamir123 said:
that guide was written before the 4.3 update, since then a knox counter has been implemented which cannot be reset and therefore will most likely void warranty...
Was just wondering if there is a way to avoid setting off that counter
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Yes you're right about the Knox counter. Unfortunately there's no way to reset the counter right now. Beside those few things you can root and flash 4.3 custom Rom (cannot flash 4.2.2)
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Yes you're right about the Knox counter. Unfortunately there's no way to reset the counter right now. Beside those few things you can root and flash 4.3 custom Rom (cannot flash 4.2.2)
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I guess my question is what if I buy a galaxy s4 with stock 4.3 updated via ota? When I root will I be automatically be stuck with a triggered knox counter or does rooting alone not affect the knox counter? Sorry for any misunderstanding.
aamir123 said:
I guess my question is what if I buy a galaxy s4 with stock 4.3 updated via ota? When I root will I be automatically be stuck with a triggered knox counter or does rooting alone not affect the knox counter? Sorry for any misunderstanding.
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As far as I know, rooting DOES trip the knox counter. If you can find one that's still on 4.2.2 (MDL or MDB) I'd go with that one. At least with one that's still on 4.2.2 you can reset the flash counter (knox counter is irrelevant on the m919 on pre-4.3 official) and still have the freedom to use 4.2.2 ROMs if you so desired.
I've googled, and googled myself into a dizzy spell
wt?
I need some clearer understandings once more for a spinning brain please.
I was so ready to chef it up for this phone,
figured i get to the latest firmware and start from there, there had to be a way to revert it if any..
tisk tisk.. speeding i hit this freggin obnoxious knox case
now what i am asking is for a bit of intel..
what can i do to get around this and get to really building again for this phone ( SCH-i435 ) besides get a new one?
I brought it back from a brick with the help of a few but now i wanna customize my way,
can i flash a modded kernel?
recovery?
rom?
really, what can i do? if i can't do much I gotta get a new phone, lol.
Thanks in Advance
I am not sure cause I have ran into the same problem. I think once time Knox is tripped you might be able to flash from Odin. Maybe a new bootloader can be flashed, one workout Knox on it but not shore still trying to research it.
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silentscreamz said:
I am not sure cause I have ran into the same problem. I think once time Knox is tripped you might be able to flash from Odin. Maybe a new bootloader can be flashed, one workout Knox on it but not shore still trying to research it.
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it seems to differ between devices but that's what i mean by i need a clearer picture. I'll build it but what do i have to build around and how or what needs to be done to accomplish custom roms on a knoxed up device?
So with knox there's no custom recovery or rom? Has to be a way!?! Right? Help..
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justlovejoy said:
it seems to differ between devices but that's what i mean by i need a clearer picture. I'll build it but what do i have to build around and how or what needs to be done to accomplish custom roms on a knoxed up device?
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Yea if you haven't tripped your knox
You can flash from Odin I believe
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silentscreamz said:
Yea if you haven't tripped your knox
You can flash from Odin I believe
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Knox is tripped x01
though i have heard much about it voiding warranty but idc bout that, I wanna be customatic already.. so what is this you mentioned that i could flash if i didn't trip it already? thanks for replying as well
You can root using kinko, or saferoot without tripping the knox and flash your recovery thru Odin.
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You can root using kinko, or saferoot without tripping the knox and flash your recovery thru Odin.
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youve done this? custom recovery with knox?
sch-i435? verizon
I've rooted with kinko but when I flashed my recovery it tripped the knox, for me anyways. From what I read theirs are fine. My tripped knox may be because I didn't use Odin to flash my r recovery, not sure.
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I've rooted with kinko but when I flashed my recovery it tripped the knox, for me anyways. From what I read theirs are fine. My tripped knox may be because I didn't use Odin to flash my r recovery, not sure.
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So what you are indeed telling me is that you have knox bootloader and a custom recovery on a sch-i435?
hi !
I heard lots of things about bootloader Knox on the net ,and for to clarify (the truth ) :
This new bootloader with Knox flag (waranty) is ONLY a "simple" counter !!! no other .... you can use your phone normally , no restriction at all !!!
But Kies software,(in theory , need to check the phone (so , this counter ) for to work ...and there are big chance that he don't reconize the phone (i have not tested myself )
....and the only way to flash a rom stock is by ODIN , it work !!! ( official stock signed work fine with Knox flag tripped 0-1 ! ) and for example with these official site ====> http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/2/ good:
but with Flag tripped too ,i belive that the bootloader Knox security is "definitively" OUT and Knox don't work cleanly ==> not important at all !!! completely Useless ......we are not politicians,militaries ,in the FBI,NSA,CIA ,business .....who need "very" strong sécurity ! it's "too much"
....and last android version have SElinux security (efficient and sufficient ! )
Flag tripped is a very big confusion with waranty because for example in Europe with laws: the manufacturer Samsung must support on SAV rooted phones ! ...... but Samsung is out-of law (illegal ! ) to refuse phone with official stock rom ROOTED only (because flag tripped) !!! Damn...
Loulou-13 said:
hi !
I heard lots of things about bootloader Knox on the net ,and for to clarify (the truth ) :
This new bootloader with Knox flag (waranty) is ONLY a "simple" counter !!! no other .... you can use your phone normally , no restriction at all !!!
But Kies software,(in theory , need to check the phone (so , this counter ) for to work ...and there are big chance that he don't reconize the phone (i have not tested myself )
....and the only way to flash a rom stock is by ODIN , it work !!! ( official stock signed work fine with Knox flag tripped 0-1 ! ) and for example with these official site ====> http://www.sammobile.com/firmwares/2/ good:
but with Flag tripped too ,i belive that the bootloader Knox security is "definitively" OUT and Knox don't work cleanly ==> not important at all !!! completely Useless ......we are not politicians,militaries ,in the FBI,NSA,CIA ,business .....who need "very" strong sécurity ! it's "too much"
....and last android version have SElinux security (efficient and sufficient ! )
Flag tripped is a very big confusion with waranty because for example in Europe with laws: the manufacturer Samsung must support on SAV rooted phones ! ...... but Samsung is out-of law (illegal ! ) to refuse phone with official stock rom ROOTED only (because flag tripped) !!! Damn...
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For starters, Thanks!
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So what you're saying is that with knox tripped you can't flash custom Rom or recovery or kernel
But with knox installed as long as not tripped one can flash away?
I'm asking cause I love to build my custom Roms for personal use and unless I'm just off with my code I can't seem to flash a custom kernel via odin or get a working recovery going yet. Stopped trying as hard cause I thought knox was in my way. But if I can go head to building I'll get back to it right now, lol.
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yes ..... no !
i have said about stock officials firmware !
with odin ,all work ! as usual , we can flash CWM ...and after customs rom with .zip ......i have said that we "can use your phone normally , no restriction at all !!!"
And you can build stock with last update ,but without Knox bootloader too ( easy for a dev ) for to update !
(example with my french forum : http://www.phonandroid.com/forum/li...msung-galaxy-s4-mini-lte-gt-i9195-t78266.html )
BUT !!! if some people update the old bootloader with the new one (with Knox) .....it's too late !!!! definitive ...
no solution for backup old recovery , impossible ! ( like reset the Knox )
It seems that it's not an "e-fuse" (spéculation ! ) ,but a script written somewhere on the bootloader , "read only" protected with a code .
Loulou-13 said:
hi !
I heard lots of things about bootloader Knox on the net ,and for to clarify (the truth ) :
This new bootloader with Knox flag (waranty) is ONLY a "simple" counter !!! no other .... you can use your phone normally , no restriction at all !!!
But Kies software,(in theory , need to check the phone (so , this counter ) for to work ...and there are big chance that he don't reconize the phone (i have not tested myself )
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When I first rooted my S4 mini duos with a kernel that gave root but didn't support my wifi, it set the KNOX flag (should have researched better). The thing is that to recover wifi (and lose the root) I used Kies to download and restore firmware. Kies allowed me to do so and "repaired" my phone without much issue. (Of course, the warranty void bit was still set even I after I fixed the phone with KIES) I think the warranty bit is just to tell the service people that you flashed something in the past, and doesn't block KIES or other operations.
The Knox *software* (not the boot loader) , however, does do some stuff that makes it harder to have fun with your phone , like blocking rooted apps unless you disable it.
As others have said, the Knox bootloader is only a counter; a flag to let Samsung know that you have a non stock kernel.
I have an I9192 and rooted with saferoot. Didnt trip knox. I then flashed TWRP which did give me a 0x1 on Knox. I am not worried about the warranty, so no big deal. I have a stock ROM....MK4. All aspects of my phone work fine.
justlovejoy said:
So what you are indeed telling me is that you have knox bootloader and a custom recovery on a sch-i435?
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At one point I did but now I am stuck with the Verizon triangle and triangleaway doesn't work for the SCH-I435
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justlovejoy said:
So what you are indeed telling me is that you have knox bootloader and a custom recovery on a sch-i435?
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Yes at one point but now I am stuck with the Verizon Triangle and triangleaway does not work for the sch-435
silentscreamz said:
At one point I did but now I am stuck with the Verizon triangle and triangleaway doesn't work for the SCH-I435
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Yes at one point but now I am stuck with the Verizon Triangle and triangleaway does not work for the sch-435
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You mean custom with the lock on boot
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silentscreamz said:
At one point I did but now I am stuck with the Verizon triangle and triangleaway doesn't work for the SCH-I435
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Yes at one point but now I am stuck with the Verizon Triangle and triangleaway does not work for the sch-435
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Yea custom but I could flash at one point. Now just stuck on the triangle
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Well I'm off the next couple days hopefully I'll figure something out. I'm experiencing build errors, wanted to ask orca86 for some help but he's not accepting pm's. Not sure of who else to ask. Think I know what to do to fix but would rather some input before attempting cause it'll be my phone first.. I'm sorry we don't have the device's source code yet cause that would help a lot. I can't wait to get us Rockingham! Lol
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More power to you man! I'd love to see some custom love.
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If I trip knox, is there anything more happening despite that my warranty could be void and I couldn't use Knox apps?
(example: not beeing able to flash certain things or entering recovery etc.)
Thank you!
Just the warranty bit nothing else
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fburgos said:
Just the warranty bit nothing else
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Aight, thank you for the quick response man! :good:
maybe one last question,
are there ways to avoid tripping it always, or is it more like "if you go customizing it fully you'll automatically have the Knox triggered"?
Aronuser said:
Aight, thank you for the quick response man! :good:
maybe one last question,
are there ways to avoid tripping it always, or is it more like "if you go customizing it fully you'll automatically have the Knox triggered"?
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to avoid this is by not using odin to flash bootloader\downgrade\custom recovery or custom kernel
if u touch the bootloader\kernel\recovery or downgrade or used odin to do so u will knox it up ... i knoxed my device as
it got into a bootloop
rrgrrg said:
to avoid this is by not using odin to flash bootloader\downgrade\custom recovery or custom kernel
if u touch the bootloader\kernel\recovery or downgrade or used odin to do so u will knox it up ... i knoxed my device as
it got into a bootloop
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Thank you! :good:
You can root using saferoot an customize with xposed framework, remove bloatware and everythin that not involve flashing with Odin
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It's not android without a custom recovery and kernel etc. :laugh:
Also stock was kinda slow!
So I knoxed it up now lol
Gonna install paranoidandroid on it
Hey mates
I want to tell you, that a couple of minutes ago the latest 4.4.4 rom was released by samsung in the USA. So you can get the latest android now! I have a Link for you: http://samsung-updates.com/device/?id=SGH-M919
Wish you a good flashing
Rootable with towelroot?
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Frankenscript said:
Rootable with towelroot?
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Don't think so, but cf-auto root should work
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Don't think so, but cf-auto root should work
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4.4.4 is built for security, means towelroot don't work. (cause apps can integreat towelroot in their programs and than collect all userdata and send to a server or something) Just the negative side of towelroot
Tkkg1994 said:
4.4.4 is built for security, means towelroot don't work. (cause apps can integreat towelroot in their programs and than collect all userdata and send to a server or something) Just the negative side of towelroot
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Does rooting trip Knox?
Enathe said:
Does rooting trip Knox?
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With towelroot not. With all other ways yes...
Enathe said:
Does rooting trip Knox?
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Rooting doesn't trip Knox. Flashing a custom recovery or kernel will put the counter at 0x1.
I you guys need helping flashing and rooting the new firmware or just the radio, and/or you guys are coming from NB4 ... check this out
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...e-via-odin-t2880284/post55516071#post55516071