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I think I need help. I think Im loosing memory on my Desire. Like anyone I have installed apps then deleted them. At the moment I have about 20mb something worth of apps installed after receiving as new, but my available memory is at only 56mb.
Where is this going to? Does deleted apps leave something in the memory?
I have tried to clear all caches I found, but 56mb is worrying me. Anyone else with this prob?
Yes, I have found this to be the case. I have about 65 apps installed but I've tried and uninstalled loads more. I backed up my apps and flashed a Generic ROM. Before I started I had about 15MB of space left.
I reinstalled ALL the same apps...and suddenly had about 50MB, with the same apps. I could only conclude old apps I had uninstalled had left loads of rubbish behind.
Im seriously thinking of hard resetting, to confirm the uninstalled apps really leave all the rubbish behind.
Wonder if there is anything else on Android that uses more and more memory...? I tried look around with Astro all the folders, but didnt spot anything. Looks like the phone keeps eating memory just like Windows does...
Firstly, if you're talking about RAM, 56MB is plenty.
Second, Android probably doesn't clear stuff like you think it does. One way to see how much RAM you really have is to just do a soft reset - i.e. turn the phone off and on.
On a fresh restart I have about 200+MB RAM. After a day or a few days, Android will hold it steady at around 35MB. Never really dropping below 9% (for long).
Have you done a soft reset and seen what values you have?
It's under settings, SD card and phone memory. stays about the same after soft reset. I just uninstalled most apps... got about 70mb now. how do u get 200mb??! it is RAM I'm talking about....
do ou have facebook linked with phone contact?
check the app called "contact list" it was 30mb because of that sync for me
jannen said:
It's under settings, SD card and phone memory. stays about the same after soft reset. I just uninstalled most apps... got about 70mb now. how do u get 200mb??! it is RAM I'm talking about....
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Maybe someone can correct me on this, but I'm pretty sure you're talking about ROM. Apps are installed into ROM and when they are run, loaded into RAM.
When I just restarted my phone now, I get 220MB RAM and I have 20MB ROM. The RAM is so high because I obviously have just turned it on and not run anything.
Oh and I have 78 apps installed (including ones that were there from the start). Don't know how many widgets I have though.
LOL you're talking about ROM and not RAM, so Cleargrey is pretty right
Dexil said:
LOL you're talking about ROM and not RAM, so Cleargrey is pretty right
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Up until Cleargrey brought it up no one had made the distinction...we simply referred to phone storage, which is pretty unambiguous. It's only Cleargrey who muddied the waters by bringing up how much free RAM he had...no one had mentioned it up to that point, so who is your LOL actually aimed at?
Sorry for the confusion... I blame XT9 lol. Rom is the word. I don't use Facebook believe or not. I'm on T-Mobile if that explains... think got just over 100mb free when phone was new. certainly not over 200!
If I install copilot now its 20 know... that would leave me with just 30 to install other apps. too little!
Then I think you have just run into the issue that is core to Android currently. You have a limited amount of space to install apps. I can't remember what the number is but it's something like 150MB (ROM).
Android currently only caches to the SD card. So we look to the next Android version to save us!
My issue goes actually further than that... What I ment is when I uninstall an app I have less memory left that when I installed it.
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
jannen said:
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
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Take a look in Settings->Applications->Manage Applications
Lets you see what's hogging the space!
I have a G1 and used to see similar behaviour with K9Mail from the Market - I had a big IMAP Inbox (1000s of messages) and I think K9 stored it's database in ROM/Flash (which is even more limited on the G1).
Can't wait for the Desire - same problems...faster!
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Take a look in Settings->Applications->Manage Applications
Lets you see what's hogging the space!
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That's not really going to help when the thing taking up the space isn't on that list. That's what he's saying...he installs X app...it supposedly uses Y amount of space. He removes X app and would expect Y amount of space to become available but instead he has Y - 10.
Thanks... thats exactly what I ment. I uninstalled most stuff now.
Seems uninstalling doesnt uninstall everything - leaveing rubbish behind...
I noticed similar issues on other Android users just by Googling, but didnt find any answer to this.
To me looks like in the near future I wont have any memory left and no apps installed. Thats what Im afraid of!
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That's not really going to help when the thing taking up the space isn't on that list. That's what he's saying...he installs X app...it supposedly uses Y amount of space. He removes X app and would expect Y amount of space to become available but instead he has Y - 10.
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Yes, may just be a bug (don't have one yet, can't comment).
However, Manage Applications shows the total size of all the Apps and some system stuff on the Flash/ROM including the Data that they've saved there.
I would look at things like 'Browser' and 'Work Email' (unless renamed now) - the Browser app on my G1 for example has nearly 9MB of 'Cache' usage at the mo'...
My issue goes actually further than that... What I ment is when I uninstall an app I have less memory left that when I installed it.
For example let say I have 80Mb free, I install an app of 5mb. Uninstalling it I have 70mb left. Thats the point... the Mbs are just fading away.
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did you restart afterwards? I had 70 left, after a restart I had 89...
Yes restarted 3 times just today. Doesent seem to help...
i used a rooted htc hero before. i had the same problem but only with apps not installed from the market. i found out that there was kept a copy of the .apk files in a directory called data/drm/tmp as far as i remember. i deleted all files inside and got my space back...but i am not sure we have access to this directory without root access...
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I have had the htc desire now for about 4days and only have a handfull of apps
360 live
batman soundboard
better keyboard
engadget
facebook
gallery
handcent sms
homerun 3d
imusic
last fm
monkey kickoff
voice search
had a few other games wich i delete but now i have no space left only got 16mb left where has all my memory gone any help would be nice
do you have a memory card in your phone they come with a 4 GB card i have around 50 apps and about 40 books and still have 3.6GB on the card and 50% of my phone memory see if your card is in right
Homerun 3d takes 20mb anyway, pretty big.
Also if you were installing the apps while the phone was connected to the PC it may have dismounted your SD card and installed everything on the phone memory?? Just a guess.
my memory card is in right i did have 48mb free installed asphalt 5 and idracula didnt like them unistalled them now i only have 20mb so strange desire need to get rooted asap
alginon1977 said:
do you have a memory card in your phone they come with a 4 GB card i have around 50 apps and about 40 books and still have 3.6GB on the card and 50% of my phone memory see if your card is in right
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Can you share with us how do you manage to install apps on sdcard ?
the phone is superb much better than iphone imho but just makes me angry having to factory reset every time i run out off memory hopefully gets sorted soon
Yea okay this is really annoying me now, i barely have any apps on my device besides google maps, facebook, aircontrol etc all under a couple of mb. I install raging thunder 2 which takes up more than 20mb of my internal storage and that's it, don't have room for anything else. This is REALLY stupid.
It is a massive issue for me as its a really great device, but you can only install a few apps at a time??? WTF????
It would be nice to install more than 1 3d game......
I noticed the same thing as the guys above. Can someone tell us how to install the APPs on the SD card that's in the phone??
From what I understand, apps2sd requires root access, which requires a root ;-)
funny or not, but i had more free mem to install aps on my old nokia e50 phone and all this talk about this issue here or basically on the net, it's just bad pr for google/andorid platform.
it's a lame limitation that at the end will be removed by google itself or by rooting the phone.
and for now... install astro file manager and backup unused apps on sd card. thanks to that you can have some apps installed in phone memory, ready for quick use, and many more backed up on sd card available with few clicks.
pelotasplus said:
funny or not, but i had more free mem to install aps on my old nokia e50 phone and all this talk about this issue here or basically on the net, it's just back pr for google/andorid platform.
it just a lame limitation that at the end will be removed by google itself or by rooting the phone.
and for now... install astro file manager and backup your unused apps on sd card. thanks to that you can have X apps installed in phone memory, ready for quick use, and many more backed up on sd card available with few clicks.
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how is this possible ? if you back them up are they going to be usable ??? i thought that you must restore them for been usable so you are where you were before!
lambrospower said:
how is this possible ? if you back them up are they going to be usable ??? i thought that you must restore them for been usable so you are where you were before!
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yep, you have to restore them, mentioned "few clicks". it's just a workaround till... tomorrow, as there are rumours that root for desire is comming (-;
pelotasplus said:
yep, you have to restore them, mentioned "few clicks". it's just a workaround till... tomorrow, as there are rumours that root for desire is comming (-;
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Coming apparently its here, were just awaiting the destructions now ))
Maybe a mass android users petition or something to google?
seems to me the only major downfall of this otherwise amazing device
Friend of mines got a WildfireS but keep running out of space on it, theres not many apps installed and the 8Gb card is virtually empty.
I've moved the apps than can be to the SDCard but other than that I'm not really "up" with the phone.
Any ROM's or anything else I can do to improve the situation, its getting to the point where she wants to go back to her old Nokia :lol:
Trig0r said:
Friend of mines got a WildfireS but keep running out of space on it, theres not many apps installed and the 8Gb card is virtually empty.
I've moved the apps than can be to the SDCard but other than that I'm not really "up" with the phone.
Any ROM's or anything else I can do to improve the situation, its getting to the point where she wants to go back to her old Nokia :lol:
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A data2sd rom would be an option or link2sd. Look at the Index thread, there is a link2sd tutorial at the general guide section.
Will see if I can get the phone off her for a few days and give it a tweaking..
Moved the apps that would let me to the SDCard, its out of space again though, something wrong here surely, I know its a cheap device but really, this sucks balls..
Did you "get" more space?
Hi Trig0r,
I have that phone and the problem is that they took too much of the RAM for system files and other junk apps. Its supposed to have 500MB of ram, but we are only allowed about 120MB to install apss.. I rooted my phone and got about 40MB more of memory. Good luck getting space for your friend's phone.
V/R
PV
Trig0r said:
Friend of mines got a WildfireS but keep running out of space on it, theres not many apps installed and the 8Gb card is virtually empty.
I've moved the apps than can be to the SDCard but other than that I'm not really "up" with the phone.
Any ROM's or anything else I can do to improve the situation, its getting to the point where she wants to go back to her old Nokia :lol:
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best bet is to root and install link2sd if possible. i've done this on VM USA, and after removing the crap apps that came on the phone, i have almost 60 apps installed and have 43.08mb free on internal.
Back on this phone again, its running
2.3.3
2.1
1.33.206.5
Gonna see if I can have it for a few days.
Got it now, ota'd to 2.3.5 still sucks balls, gonna drop a custom on it if I can get an unlocked bootloader..
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pedro.velez said:
Hi Trig0r,
I have that phone and the problem is that they took too much of the RAM for system files and other junk apps. Its supposed to have 500MB of ram, but we are only allowed about 120MB to install apss.. I rooted my phone and got about 40MB more of memory. Good luck getting space for your friend's phone.
V/R
PV
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ROM, not RAM...
I have the exact same problem on stock...can you please tell me the most stable sense rom with link2sd built in?
Hi all,
I have a Galaxy S 10.5 (16GB) that I picked up in September of 2014. I love the thing but it's showing a weird issue. Any time I hit 500MB storage remaining, Google Play Store will no longer update apps. It gives me an insufficient storage notification. I can go in and clear the cache and everything is great - until I get to 500MB remaining again. Then I have to find more space again.
I've had a 64GB SD card installed in the device since I purchased it. I store music there and move apps that support it to the memory card. I was hoping that having the SD card would make the (insufficient) 16GB of storage liveable. It hasn't and the 500MB has only made it more challenging.
Has anyone seen this before and/or have any ideas what might be going on here.
Thanks!
I think that might be the limit of free space that must be available for the System to use. Think of it like a fail-safe approach to keep the tablet running smooth while it is constantly caching, deleting/creating temporary files, and allocating memory space in the background. Without sufficient free space available, it can't do those functions.
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I think that might be the limit of free space that must be available for the System to use. Think of it like a fail-safe approach to keep the tablet running smooth while it is constantly caching, deleting/creating temporary files, and allocating memory space in the background. Without sufficient free space available, it can't do those functions.
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Thanks. That seems reasonable. It's particularly annoying because the OS occupies almost 5GB of the 16GB I'm supposed to have. I'd rather Google/Samsung throw that 500MB into the 5GB they already have rather than tease me by telling me it's available but essentially unusable.
I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.
<rant> First and foremost I completely agree that Google's handling of external memory, or their lack of wanting to handle, or let users use microSD cards is wrong. The way it handles moving program data to external cards in kitkat is horrible and lollipop honestly is not much better, but at least users were determined to be sufficiently old and intelligent enough to be "allowed" to grant programs permission to manage our external data instead of only letting oem programs that ability. </rant>
With all that said the answer to your issue is even more simple then that. All Programs take up at minium 2x the space while you are updating them. You have the apk (the update) and the actual program existing at the same time. Not to mention that the programs tend to take up more space then apk's due to compression of resources and other things. Given those 2 things instead of trusting that the user won't download a 200MB update and seeing it is only 200MB put annother 200MB of music on the device while it is downloading causing issues google puts a free space cap.
I always thought that the system memory is included in that block of space the 4-5GB that the OS and bloat live in.
There HAS to be some spaced reserved for the OS or the tablet would crash. data is constantly written to the data partition which is part of the internal storage and this space is needed to run the device.
I have run into this issue myself, but its easily resolved by moving all unecessary stuff to the sd card - downloads, music, media, apps e.t.c.
All it takes is a bit of housekeeping every now and then. Download an app called All-in-One toolkit from play, it will find loads of junk files which you can safely delete to free a fair amount of space.
However I agree it was rather stingy of Samsung not to include 32gGb of internal storage which should be the minium for a so called flagship device.
Yeah, this issue of less than usable sdcard is also worrying me.
I had a Galaxy tab 8.9 (which came to the market in 2011) before this. It had 16gb and no SDcard. Storage was a pain.
AFAIR, also there is no Gmail syncing when below the limit. Imagine the frustration not getting your emails and trying to find something to delete.
I was hoping the SD card in the tab S would be more usable, but alas. At least Lollipop is slightly better, but only if the apps wanna use it. I get frustrated when dictionary app Merriam Webster for example stores its 100 megabytes data file in internal memory. Same with TED app videos.
And of course, current Rom and OS used almost double the storage for system as the tablet from 2011. Android 4.0.4. Apps have become bigger too.
Sent from my HTC One X+ (64g of internal memory, yeah!)
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At least Lollipop is slightly better, but only if the apps wanna use it. I get frustrated when dictionary app Merriam Webster for example stores its 100 megabytes data file in internal memory. Same with TED app videos.
And of course, current Rom and OS used almost double the storage for system as the tablet from 2011. Android 4.0.4. Apps have become bigger too.
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Precisely! The Samsung text-to-speech engine takes up at least 300MB of storage. Facebook consumes about 200MB. The Kindle app (sort of understandable since I have a lot of books) uses almost 200MB. Very little of any of that can be saved to my 60% empty SD card. Add in Newsstand and other similar apps and space is eaten up very quickly. Super annoying...
I'm now discovering this problem and it is really annoying. Is rooting the only way of getting round this? I don't want to do this but I don't think I have an option. I only have 500MB left on internal but 40GB on my 64GB micro sd.
mightywhites29111971 said:
I'm now discovering this problem and it is really annoying.
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I'm not even sure that rooting would change much about this. With rooting you can remove some of the limitations in KK and Lp about writing to the external sd card...
But this will not get applications to spontaneously use the external sd card instead of the internal SD card, for their data.
I know there used to be tricks like a2sd, link2sd, and other variations... which were widespread 3-5 years ago. To make the device believe, through symlinks and crafted mounts, that an ext3 partition on the sdcard was a part of internal data. It was often cause for instability if executed less than perfectly.
I had this on my HTC Desire, a "flagship" phone from 5 years ago, with top of the line hardware: cpu , mem, screen, but with only 250mb for internal data.
I have not searched for it specifically but so far I've not seen anybody talking about those tricks for this device.
Disk Usage
This is a free app that shows you exactly where your storage space has gone. None of this nebulous "miscellaneous" nonsense. I was able to recover about my existing free space in extra space from stuff I didn't realize was still in my storage. While this is not a solution to not being able to store all your apps on an external card it might just help a few ppl get that extra space they need.
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Disk Usage
This is a free app that shows you exactly where your storage space has gone. None of this nebulous "miscellaneous" nonsense. I was able to recover about my existing free space in extra space from stuff I didn't realize was still in my storage. While this is not a solution to not being able to store all your apps on an external card it might just help a few ppl get that extra space they need.
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Thanks for that. Have downloaded that and had a look and I have nearly 5GB of OBB files! I think this is where my issue is, and I think the only way I can resolve this for myself is to root and use an app that transfers OBB files to SD.
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Thanks for that. Have downloaded that and had a look and I have nearly 5GB of OBB files! I think this is where my issue is, and I think the only way I can resolve this for myself is to root and use an app that transfers OBB files to SD.
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I hope that works out for you. I gave up on the idea of moving obb files that didn't want to move (way too much hassle for something that does not always work right) and instead decided to have less massive obb apps (games) installed at one time. I can only do one thing at a time anyways.
Hello everyone. I have the G4, and I just refreshed it yesterday - so I have very few apps. I downloaded the kdz from a pinned thread here, even though it said it was D, it flashed B or C. But it's OK, it updated to D all on its own.
Anyways, I opened an app and it said I had 500 mb free of RAM, which is fine. But I said "Hmm, I wonder, on a fresh install, what's eating my RAM?" so I went into the Apps in the settings and it said I have more than half my RAM free (1.5gb or so). Here is a screen shot. So then I downloaded another app and it reported the same thing, only 500mb free... I'm very confused.
A. Unused Ram = useless Ram. The more is being used the better (faster) the phone will be/react while using/opening apps.
B. Don't use Ram managers
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Pfeffernuss said:
A. Unused Ram = useless Ram. The more is being used the better (faster) the phone will be/react while using/opening apps.
B. Don't use Ram managers
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Hi, thanks for the reply. But I wasn't complaining about it being used or unused. I'm asking about why my system reports one number, while an app (ram manager or not) reports another. As I mentioned in the OP, I was curious about what I had installed that could be using so much ram that any app reports, but the system doesn't. It's a discrepancy. Not a complaint. I'd just like to understand what's happening and which number is correct. :good:
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Not a complaint. I'd just like to understand what's happening and which number is correct. :good:
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Don't forget that a lot of memory is also being used for cache. This is something the stock Settings apps doesn't display when opening it.
See for an example in the first image my current memory usage using the stock Settings app, it's stated that approximately 900MB of memory is "free". When using a system tool this would probably result in a different, much lower, number.
That is because of the cached memory. Press the three dots in the upper right and let it also show the cached memory. And presto, there it is, a more "accurate" display of all the memory being used. The value shown now should reflect the aftermarket system tools memory usage as well :good:
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But I said "Hmm, I wonder, on a fresh install, what's eating my RAM?" so I went into the Apps in the settings and it said I have more than half my RAM free (1.5gb or so). Here is a screen shot. So then I downloaded another app and it reported the same thing, only 500mb free... I'm very confused.
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It means about 1 gb of apps are setup as cached on fresh install. If you clear them you will get your 1gb RAM back.
question is why do it
https://play.google.com/store/apps/....google.com/store/apps/details?id=sa.ramtruth
What does that report your free RAM as?
Thanks guys, that makes sense, and NOW I can see all the RAM hehe.
There is no reason to do it! Ram is there to be used. I just thought it strange to see on a fresh install with very few apps running to have that little free ram! Haha. Thanks guys!