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Hello fellow members of XDA,
I am new to this whole thing of rooting and installing custom rom, so I’m kind of overwhelmed. I have done some poking around prior to this post and stumbled upon the Sticky and was wondering if the “[REF] [GUIDE] Welcome to your device, the Galaxy S III - by theexel” is this the standard to what I should be following?
I have a T999 on 4.1.2. I appreciate your time, recommendations, and advice that you have to offer. Thanks!
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I was hoping you could answer some questions I have for Sanranhai's stockMod 4.3. If i followed the instructions while flashing the rom + one of the modems I'm still able to go back to older roms correct? Also if i decided to cmw restore to my backup (4.1.2 image) will the modem be the one I flashed from saranhai's or will it go back to how it originally was before? Thank you for your time.
Yes that's a Good Guide. What do you intend or trying to do ?
Perseus71 said:
Yes that's a Good Guide. What do you intend or trying to do ?
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My intention was to root, and to flash a stable rom (hopefully 4.3) for daily use, getting rid of some bloatware to speed up my phone, getting a new feel and look for me phone and increase battery life if possible. I know my model is receiving the official 4.3 but according to this forum most people don't like what Samsung did to it. Since I'm still in the earlier software version, I thought I'd give custom roms' a try.
cellphoner2006 said:
My intention was to root, and to flash a stable rom (hopefully 4.3) for daily use, getting rid of some bloatware to speed up my phone, getting a new feel and look for me phone and increase battery life if possible. I know my model is receiving the official 4.3 but according to this forum most people don't like what Samsung did to it. Since I'm still in the earlier software version, I thought I'd give custom roms' a try.
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If you are looking for a pretty good stable 4.3 ROM I'd recommend Saranhai's StockMOD 4.3 .. I used it as my DD (Daily Driver) the past month but have been on Doc's 4.3 ROM before that (they both use the same Base and Doc had to stop because he Bricked his S3 fiddling around with new things).. .. I wouldn't recommend doing the Official 4.3 Update, many people updated and the problem is you can NOT downgrade firmware afterwards, yes flash other 4.3 Roms but no downgrading.. Also the whole Warranty Bit isn't attractive to people.. ... Last night I flashed CM11 4.4.1 (KitKat) and been using it since then. So far I am very happy with it, everything that I MYSELF use daily hasn't had any flaws. Batter life has been decent also but their have been mixed results.. If you're gonna take the leap into rooting/flashing just remember to always read the OP's instructions as well as make sure its for YOUR device (ie: T999, T999L, etc).. Reading and educating yourself is key!
Sent from my SGH-T999 using xda app-developers app
HoustonsBirdman said:
If you are looking for a pretty good stable 4.3 ROM I'd recommend Saranhai's StockMOD 4.3 .. I used it as my DD (Daily Driver) the past month but have been on Doc's 4.3 ROM before that (they both use the same Base and Doc had to stop because he Bricked his S3 fiddling around with new things).. .. I wouldn't recommend doing the Official 4.3 Update, many people updated and the problem is you can NOT downgrade firmware afterwards, yes flash other 4.3 Roms but no downgrading.. Also the whole Warranty Bit isn't attractive to people.. ... Last night I flashed CM11 4.4.1 (KitKat) and been using it since then. So far I am very happy with it, everything that I MYSELF use daily hasn't had any flaws. Batter life has been decent also but their have been mixed results.. If you're gonna take the leap into rooting/flashing just remember to always read the OP's instructions as well as make sure its for YOUR device (ie: T999, T999L, etc).. Reading and educating yourself is key!
Sent from my SGH-T999 using xda app-developers app
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I'll give rooting a try after I'm done with finals. What sort of things do i need to backup for safety measures as that guide isn't very detailed in that aspect of how to do it and what I WILL WANT to backup.
You are not at risk of loosing the Data. But if you feel like it, please mae sure your contacts are successfully synced to Google. If there are Games whose progress or score you want to back up then do that. Apart from that the usual pictures and music stuff.
Try My Backup app. It will let you make a backup even if you are not rooted.
Perseus71 said:
You are not at risk of loosing the Data. But if you feel like it, please mae sure your contacts are successfully synced to Google. If there are Games whose progress or score you want to back up then do that. Apart from that the usual pictures and music stuff.
Try My Backup app. It will let you make a backup even if you are not rooted.
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One more thing you do is to move all your required data like photos etc to your ext sdcard as 4.2 and above version will create a folder 0 where your new data will be available
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So Im assuming I have to root first before I can install a rom. According to the sticky guide I should be following this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1771687 but, there's a note in bold that said "Do not flash a prior release after flashing this, it has been reported to cause bricks, read the thread for more information." Does that mean after using that latest version to root my t-999 i cant go back to older roms?
The guide also recommend i should start with 4.0.4 roms, should i ignore that?
cellphoner2006 said:
So Im assuming I have to root first before I can install a rom. According to the sticky guide I should be following this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1771687 but, there's a note in bold that said "Do not flash a prior release after flashing this, it has been reported to cause bricks, read the thread for more information." Does that mean after using that latest version to root my t-999 i cant go back to older roms?
The guide also recommend i should start with 4.0.4 roms, should i ignore that?
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You assume correct. You need to root first. Take the Guide advice. Do not Try to flash latest 4.3 version of Root66. Use the 4.2 version instead. So long you stay completely away from Samsung's release of 4.3, you will do fine.
Perseus71 said:
You assume correct. You need to root first. Take the Guide advice. Do not Try to flash latest 4.3 version of Root66. Use the 4.2 version instead. So long you stay completely away from Samsung's release of 4.3, you will do fine.
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Why should one stay away from Doc's 4.3 version of Root66?
Does this advice apply equally to saranhai's StockMOD?
RebDovid said:
Why should one stay away from Doc's 4.3 version of Root66?
Does this advice apply equally to saranhai's StockMOD?
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You can use Doc's Leaked Rom or Saranhai's StockMod just fine. No issues there. Only thing you should remember, is that if you use the Root66 4.3, it will update your Bootloader to UVUEMJC. If that happens, you will never be able to flash previous bootloaders or previous Root66 versions. In addition, this new bootloader introduces eFuse and a new Warranty Counter. Those can not be reset once tripped.
Perseus71 said:
You assume correct. You need to root first. Take the Guide advice. Do not Try to flash latest 4.3 version of Root66. Use the 4.2 version instead. So long you stay completely away from Samsung's release of 4.3, you will do fine.
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I dont see a 4.2, did you meant 4.1.2? Also after doing this, Am i able to flash any rom's that 4.3? Lastly, samsung's 4.3 release is the official one correct?
cellphoner2006 said:
I dont see a 4.2, did you meant 4.1.2? Also after doing this, Am i able to flash any rom's that 4.3? Lastly, samsung's 4.3 release is the official one correct?
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You are right. Slip for me. I meant the UVDMD5 version which is 4.1.2. Yes you can flash any 4.3 Roms custom or otherwise. If you wish you can follow DocHoliday's Rooted Stock 4.3 Rom.
Samsung 4.3 is Official OTA that's correct.
Perseus71 said:
You are right. Slip for me. I meant the UVDMD5 version which is 4.1.2. Yes you can flash any 4.3 Roms custom or otherwise. If you wish you can follow DocHoliday's Rooted Stock 4.3 Rom.
Samsung 4.3 is Official OTA that's correct.
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So i've managed to root my s3 as well as install CMW, backup (took a while to figure out) and restore. <-- this is the NANDROID people are talking about right?
I am ready to take the next step now in playing with custom roms, however, I must first ask if there are any suggested guides I should read prior?
HoustonsBirdman said:
If you are looking for a pretty good stable 4.3 ROM I'd recommend Saranhai's StockMOD 4.3 .. I used it as my DD (Daily Driver) the past month but have been on Doc's 4.3 ROM before that (they both use the same Base and Doc had to stop because he Bricked his S3 fiddling around with new things).. .. I wouldn't recommend doing the Official 4.3 Update, many people updated and the problem is you can NOT downgrade firmware afterwards, yes flash other 4.3 Roms but no downgrading.. Also the whole Warranty Bit isn't attractive to people.. ... Last night I flashed CM11 4.4.1 (KitKat) and been using it since then. So far I am very happy with it, everything that I MYSELF use daily hasn't had any flaws. Batter life has been decent also but their have been mixed results.. If you're gonna take the leap into rooting/flashing just remember to always read the OP's instructions as well as make sure its for YOUR device (ie: T999, T999L, etc).. Reading and educating yourself is key!
Sent from my SGH-T999 using xda app-developers app
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Hey HoustonsBirdman,
I was hoping you could answer some questions I have for Sanranhai's stockMod 4.3. If i followed the instructions while flashing the rom + one of the modems I'm still able to go back to older roms correct? Also if i decided to cmw restore to my backup (4.1.2 image) will the modem be the one I flashed from saranhai's or will it go back to how it originally was before? Thank you for your time.
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Does anyone have a copy of the Knox-enabled bootloader? Preferrably only the bootloader blob, I don't need the rest of the 1.4G ROM.
I plan to do some poking around on it.
re: 4.3 KNOX MK2 non-hlos.bin
wweber said:
Does anyone have a copy of the Knox-enabled bootloader? Preferrably only the bootloader blob, I don't need the rest of the 1.4G ROM.
I plan to do some poking around on it.
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Ok, this is what you asked for, it's "NON-HLOS.BIN
This is what has the KNOX pox in it, and this is why we cannot use it as of yet.
(until you fix it) :cyclops: Here is the direct download link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7hh7ny1tqiv854h/NON-HLOS.bin
Right now we need to use the non-hlos.bin from the 4.2.2 firmware which is already
in our phones if we are using any M919 MDL stock based Jellybean custom roms.
Good thing that none of the cwm/twrp flashable zip file custom roms contain
the modem.bin or the the non-hlos.bin!
Good luck with it..
thought it might help...
wweber said:
Does anyone have a copy of the Knox-enabled boot loader? Preferably only the boot loader blob, I don't need the rest of the 1.4G ROM.
I plan to do some poking around on it.
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Not sure what your planning on doing or what you know, So i'm not too sure if this will help you out that much if at all but when I have having some issues with the updated 4.3 & KNOX. I ended up getting alot of help from Jovy23 ... When it comes to troubleshooting, fixing, updating or just learning new information about the galaxy s4, the T-Mobile/SGH-M919 variant in particular Jovy23 [& the whole Infamous Dev Team] typically has a method fixing it or will be able to point you in the right direction.
Here in Jovy23 Thread [Page11] some talk about bootloaders was brought up, again not too sure what your planning to do or what all you are looking for/need
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Misterjunky said:
Ok, this is what you asked for, it's "NON-HLOS.BIN
This is what has the KNOX pox in it, and this is why we cannot use it as of yet.
(until you fix it) :cyclops: Here is the direct download link
Right now we need to use the non-hlos.bin from the 4.2.2 firmware which is already
in our phones if we are using any M919 MDL stock based Jellybean custom roms.
Good thing that none of the cwm/twrp flashable zip file custom roms contain
the modem.bin or the the non-hlos.bin!
Good luck with it..
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Hey Misterjunky, I just posted a link from Jovy23 thread trying to help out, I noticed that you were actually pretty active on the thread there, 1st of all just wanted to say thanx for all the input there & here. Also I wanted to ask you if you could help me out and try to explain the whole Knox 0x0 , 0x1 thing on the Bootloader and other then warranty issues are there any other problem about having the "0x1" or is it possible to reverse it back to "0x0". Hope this all makes senses [Sorry about the format & wording of the question]
I'm going to disassemble it and walk through it to see what it does
I was under the impression that the bootloader partition was mmcblk0p6 aboot. So wouldn't the KNOX bootloader be in the aboot.bin?
I flashed the 4.3 MK2 NON-HLOS.bin awhile back, before we found out it broke sound and calls. Afterwards, I flashed back to 4.2.2 MDL NON-HLOS.bin. A problem that I've had ever since is whenever I'm on a touchwiz rom and I hold the power button the device powers down immidiately, shut down animation and everything, skipping the power menu. There may have been some KNOX related things in the LTE modem that did this but I don't know. I've looked around and haven't found any mention of it. I've reverted to stock MDL thru windows on odin and ubuntu with heimdall CLI and the problem persists. On AOSP roms the power menu works fine. In download mode there has never been any mention of KNOX warranty void before and after switching from 4.2.2 MDL to 4.3 MK2 NON-HLOS.bin and back to MDL bin.
Not a big deal as I run 5 roms (my deodexed mk2, foxhound 3.5, danvdh GE latest, cm-11 noobdev 12/23, and slimkat latest) currently with Dual Boot by @chenxiaolong :good:
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Robot916 said:
Not sure what your planning on doing or what you know, So i'm not too sure if this will help you out that much if at all but when I have having some issues with the updated 4.3 & KNOX. I ended up getting alot of help from Jovy23 ... When it comes to troubleshooting, fixing, updating or just learning new information about the galaxy s4, the T-Mobile/SGH-M919 variant in particular Jovy23 [& the whole Infamous Dev Team] typically has a method fixing it or will be able to point you in the right direction.
Here in Jovy23 Thread [Page11] some talk about bootloaders was brought up, again not too sure what your planning to do or what all you are looking for/need
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Hey Misterjunky, I just posted a link from Jovy23 thread trying to help out, I noticed that you were actually pretty active on the thread there, 1st of all just wanted to say thanx for all the input there & here. Also I wanted to ask you if you could help me out and try to explain the whole Knox 0x0 , 0x1 thing on the Bootloader and other then warranty issues are there any other problem about having the "0x1" or is it possible to reverse it back to "0x0". Hope this all makes senses [Sorry about the format & wording of the question]
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The KNOX counter can be used by Samsung or Tmobile as an excuse why not to honor warranties.
You will get the KNOX if you update using OTA/KIES or Odiin flashing the official 4.3 stock firmware.
If you do have KNOX, it will not effect how your phone works, or flashing 4.3 custom cwm/twrp flashable roms.
Your phone will work just as good with or without KNOX, and KNOX does not put any limits on what you
can or cannot do with your phone except for one thing, you cannot "downgrade" to 4.2.2 roms/firmwares.
Good luck!
THANKS
Misterjunky said:
The KNOX counter can be used by Samsung or Tmobile as an excuse why not to honor warranties.
You will get the KNOX if you update using OTA/KIES or Odiin flashing the official 4.3 stock firmware.
If you do have KNOX, it will not effect how your phone works, or flashing 4.3 custom cwm/twrp flashable roms.
Your phone will work just as good with or without KNOX, and KNOX does not put any limits on what you
can or cannot do with your phone except for one thing, you cannot "downgrade" to 4.2.2 roms/firmwares.
Good luck!
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I Flashed 4.3/MK2 with odin and had Knox, for a minute but then Flashed another Rom on my phone and since doing so I havent seen any "Knox 0x1" on the bootloader or anything, Is the Bootloader the only place that you would see that? Is it possible that it went away or anything like that??
Hello All
So i ended switching my phone m919 4.3 for m919 4.2.
I have a few questions since im a NOOB.
Do i benefit anything if i update to 4.3?
If i root my phone (m919 4.2) do i lose warranty?
Can i unroot 4.2, go to stock, than update to stock 4.3?
I know there is a version of 4.3 out there with no KNOX, if i were to install that, can i still go back to stock 4.2 ?
Thanks
Xx_Joe_Wireless_xX said:
Hello All
So i ended switching my phone m919 4.3 for m919 4.2.
I have a few questions since im a NOOB.
Do i benefit anything if i update to 4.3?
If i root my phone (m919 4.2) do i lose warranty?
Can i unroot 4.2, go to stock, than update to stock 4.3?
I know there is a version of 4.3 out there with no KNOX, if i were to install that, can i still go back to stock 4.2 ?
Thanks
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#1: All the custom cwm/twrp flashable 4.3 zip file roms are KNOX free. (no knox)
#2: You will only get KNOX if you do a Kies update, Odin Flash 4.3 rom or allow the OTA update.
#3: As long as you don't have KNOX you can always flash back to any 4.2.2 zip file cwm/twrp roms.
#4: If you are rooted right now there is NO NEED to un-root before flashing a cwm/twrp flashable
zip file 4.3 custom rom like the Wicked or Darthstalker roms.
If you are on a 4.2.2 rom and you don't do any of the three things in #2 you do not need to worry about
KNOX at all.
I'm on stock 4.2.2 (not rooted), I've rooted my previous devices in the past. I'm coming from the t-mobile galaxy s2.
However, I personally love stock touchwiz with root, and a few bloatware items removed. But, I've read nothing but problems and issues from people having network connection issues to other things happening with their 4.3 flashes. And as to not discredit those people, I'm quite sure they have read and re-read directions several times, but still have issues. So, until those get worked out. I plan to stay right where I'm at. If I do end up rooting, it will be because I ran out of space on my phone and will be moving data to the sd card.
Hopefully you are a lucky one who doesn't suffer any data drops or sound issues when flashing to 4.3.
to each their own though.
HTCMDA said:
I'm on stock 4.2.2 (not rooted), I've rooted my previous devices in the past. I'm coming from the t-mobile galaxy s2.
However, I personally love stock touchwiz with root, and a few bloatware items removed. But, I've read nothing but problems and issues from people having network connection issues to other things happening with their 4.3 flashes. And as to not discredit those people, I'm quite sure they have read and re-read directions several times, but still have issues. So, until those get worked out. I plan to stay right where I'm at. If I do end up rooting, it will be because I ran out of space on my phone and will be moving data to the sd card.
Hopefully you are a lucky one who doesn't suffer any data drops or sound issues when flashing to 4.3.
to each their own though.
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You missed the people who update just their radios to MK2 and no longer have those mobile data problems on 4.3. There's a guide in the General section that's N00B friendly.
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You missed the people who update just their radios to MK2 and no longer have those mobile data problems on 4.3. There's a guide in the General section that's N00B friendly.
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I know, that's what I'm talking about. People who updated the radios and flashed 4.3, still have issues. still have data drops, sometimes wifi doesn't work, and tethering is broken.
HTCMDA said:
I know, that's what I'm talking about. People who updated the radios and flashed 4.3, still have issues. still have data drops, sometimes wifi doesn't work, and tethering is broken.
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I have ZERO issues. I built my rom from stock 4.3 firmware. All Knox free. Flashed new modem.bin through Odin and all is good. Wifi is good. Data is good.
People who complain about data and whatnot is user related.
My S4 Is Insane
DEVIANT DEVELOPMENT
Misterjunky said:
#1: All the custom cwm/twrp flashable 4.3 zip file roms are KNOX free. (no knox)
#2: You will only get KNOX if you do a Kies update, Odin Flash 4.3 rom or allow the OTA update.
#3: As long as you don't have KNOX you can always flash back to any 4.2.2 zip file cwm/twrp roms.
#4: If you are rooted right now there is NO NEED to un-root before flashing a cwm/twrp flashable
zip file 4.3 custom rom like the Wicked or Darthstalker roms.
If you are on a 4.2.2 rom and you don't do any of the three things in #2 you do not need to worry about
KNOX at all.
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im on 4.3 stock can i downgrade i dont care about warranty or knox
Just to point out, I never said EVERYONE. I just said people.
I'm sure some work flawless, and others not so much. But I know I read through page after page of issues. Some stated theirs worked, but I feel I read more non-working comments than working ones.
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mrej201 said:
im on 4.3 stock can i downgrade i dont care about warranty or knox
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You cannot downgrade if you are on stock 4.3, whether you care about warranty or not.
well thank you !
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You cannot downgrade if you are on stock 4.3, whether you care about warranty or not.
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I had a question also, if I am currently on MDL with the new radio, how would I update to 4.3 and then install custom recovery again and gain root? Is that possible?
I'd flash a stock rooted rom
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Android_Monsters said:
I'd flash a stock rooted rom
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I just wanted to update to the new bootloader with the new LTE modem, because I have been seeing some problems b/w switching with LTE when using the new radio without the new LTE modem.
I own a T-mobile Galaxy S4 that is currently on android 4.3 with the MK2 modem flashed via oden and an MDL bootloader. I am planning to send off my device for warranty repair to Samsung. I know they normally update to the most recent android version etc. (4.4.2).
I have been combing through the threads on here and androidcentral to try to find an answers that is clear but I haven't found it. Essentially I want to know if they return my phone with 4.4.2 (which will be bootloader locked and knox enabled) if I can do the following.
1. Install TWRP or recovery environments. (some threads said you can't and that full root is not achievable to use Titaniumbackup etc.)
2. Downgrade to 4.3 if needed
3. Flash custom roms (eyeing up Insane Kit Kat V8 NB4 )
4. Will I have to use CH-AUTOROOT and with that will I be able to use TWRP
5. If anyone could point me to a thread that instructs on how to root in this scenario - that would be hugely helpful!
I appreciate anyone who can take the time to write back with answers to my questions.
chcguy88 said:
I own a T-mobile Galaxy S4 that is currently on android 4.3 with the MK2 modem flashed via oden and an MDL bootloader. I am planning to send off my device for warranty repair to Samsung. I know they normally update to the most recent android version etc. (4.4.2).
I have been combing through the threads on here and androidcentral to try to find an answers that is clear but I haven't found it. Essentially I want to know if they return my phone with 4.4.2 (which will be bootloader locked and knox enabled) if I can do the following.
1. Install TWRP or recovery environments. (some threads said you can't and that full root is not achievable to use Titaniumbackup etc.)
2. Downgrade to 4.3 if needed
3. Flash custom roms (eyeing up Insane Kit Kat V8 NB4 )
4. Will I have to use CH-AUTOROOT and with that will I be able to use TWRP
5. If anyone could point me to a thread that instructs on how to root in this scenario - that would be hugely helpful!
I appreciate anyone who can take the time to write back with answers to my questions.
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Yes.
Sort of. You can't get teh 4.3 bootloader back or use older modems, which means you can't restore to stock 4.2 using Odin. You should be able to flash older custom roms though.
Yes.
Yes.
Search button.
Skipjacks said:
Yes.
Sort of. You can't get teh 4.3 bootloader back or use older modems, which means you can't restore to stock 4.2 using Odin. You should be able to flash older custom roms though.
Yes.
Yes.
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As a fellow baltimorean (or as I like to say baltimoron) thanks Skipjacks for the reply! It definitively sets my mind at ease when sending this phone in.
chcguy88 said:
As a fellow baltimorean (or as I like to say baltimoron) thanks Skipjacks for the reply! It definitively sets my mind at ease when sending this phone in.
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No problem, buddy. Here's a few wallappers I've made over the years that a fellow Bawlmoron might appreciate.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1942423
You don't even need root to flash and use a custom recovery, so that tells you something..
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Skipjacks said:
No problem, buddy. Here's a few wallappers I've made over the years that a fellow Bawlmoron might appreciate.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1942423
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Those are some really nice walls! Thanks
I have a T-mobile Galaxy S4, SGH-M919 running android 4.2.2 and want to upgrade to android 4.3. Okay my question is can I remove knox from the update before updating? I HATE KNOX. I saw where over at s4 mini archive they showed a way that they say it can be removed. Any ideas? Anyone tried this? Any other ways to remove??? Any help would be great. I am sorry if this has been posted or asked before, I have not seen it. http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2013/12/how-to-remove-knox-bootloader-from-new.html
Just use this. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2544612 and install a custom rom. Any reason why you want 4.3? You can install 4.4.4 which just came out. Remember to just flash modem only and not the lte modem or you will break sound. If you want to stay completely stock and not have Knox there is no way.
+1 on custom rom. Something like this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2876946
Sorry been a little busy. I'm currently using the MDL bootloader, no knox. I hear there is performance and feature advantage to updating to a newer bootloader. The reason I am looking at 4.3 is that some people have stated that you can remove knox from the bootloader in 4.3. The people stated that they have been able to do this to the S4 mini's 4.3 bootloader. I have looked at the links you two have given me, thank you. What bootloaders are you two using? Also have you seen this as this is what got me thinking. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2549357
Bootloader has nothing directly to do with performance. Be careful what you read.
lalec said:
Bootloader has nothing directly to do with performance. Be careful what you read.
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True. But I would prefer to be 100% knox free. So not just a knox free rom, but the bootloader as well. Staying on android 4.2.2 will do that but at the same time I would like to upgrade to a newer android version. I have seen some nice custom roms with nice performance, but they are 4.3 and newer. And this is why I am looking.
Jamessr79 said:
True. But I would prefer to be 100% knox free. So not just a knox free rom, but the bootloader as well. Staying on android 4.2.2 will do that but at the same time I would like to upgrade to a newer android version. I have seen some nice custom roms with nice performance, but they are 4.3 and newer. And this is why I am looking.
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You can keep MDL boot loader, and flash 4.3, 4.4.2, or 4.4.4 ROMs no problem. I've got an M919 with MDL boot loader and am currently running Dirty Unicorns (4.4.4-based) ROM.
I've got all the benefit of the latest version of Android (plus many customizations!) and no Knox.
The only think that you can't do on the MDL boot loader is run a newer LTE modem... the LTE modem (non-hlos.bin) is tied to the boot loader. However the GSM modem (modem.bin) is not, so you can update that part of it. It's something to keep in mind, but the LTE modem in MDL is fine and works for me quite well even in marginal signal areas.
Marc
Frankenscript said:
You can keep MDL boot loader, and flash 4.3, 4.4.2, or 4.4.4 ROMs no problem. I've got an M919 with MDL boot loader and am currently running Dirty Unicorns (4.4.4-based) ROM.
I've got all the benefit of the latest version of Android (plus many customizations!) and no Knox.
The only think that you can't do on the MDL boot loader is run a newer LTE modem... the LTE modem (non-hlos.bin) is tied to the boot loader. However the GSM modem (modem.bin) is not, so you can update that part of it. It's something to keep in mind, but the LTE modem in MDL is fine and works for me quite well even in marginal signal areas.
Marc
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Thank you for the info. Are you on an AOSP 4.4.4 ROM (Dirty Unicorns)? I'm on the MDL bootloader looking to install a TW 4.4.4 ROM.
HKSpeed said:
Thank you for the info. Are you on an AOSP 4.4.4 ROM (Dirty Unicorns)? I'm on the MDL bootloader looking to install a TW 4.4.4 ROM.
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A stock firmware? If it contains the bootloader, it will automatically replace your existing one.
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HKSpeed said:
Thank you for the info. Are you on an AOSP 4.4.4 ROM (Dirty Unicorns)? I'm on the MDL bootloader looking to install a TW 4.4.4 ROM.
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Yes, it's based off AOSP. See the Samsung home page for Dirty Unicorns here. Also the G+ Community for it.
If you are looking for a TW ROM, I had a great experience with GoldenEye v. 38 over the summer. Very stable, and everything worked, even on my ATT version S4 I337 using SafeStrap. I got sick of SafeStrap limitations and eventually bought a M919 so I could do anything I wanted ROM wise... but GoldenEye was very nice. Debloated, very stable, felt good.
Being very satisfied with my current version of Dirty Unicorns, I'll probably not change any time soon, thought I've been tempted to install SlimKat and build up the features I want. I use SlimKat on a tablet, and like it's very light footprint. Quite zippy.
Marc
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A stock firmware? If it contains the bootloader, it will automatically replace your existing one.
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Just something to remember: Bootloaders (all the bad KNOX junk) CANNOT be flashed via custom recovery. So if you are flashing a stock ROM (firmware?) via custom recovery you will NOT get KNOX. If, however you decide to flash a ROM/firmware via Odin chances are very good that you will be getting a new bootloader and all the KNOX garbage it brings.
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If you flash via recovery you won't get KNOX, if you flash via Odin you probably will.
Modems must also be flashed in Odin, but as far as KNOX goes, it's the bootloader you don't want.
Okay, does this mean I have knox or do not have knox.
Jamessr79 said:
Okay, does this mean I have knox or do not have knox.
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It seems to me like you're still knox-free
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Jamessr79 said:
Okay, does this mean I have knox or do not have knox.
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Yup.
No Knox there.
You would see a Knox warranty line in that bootloader screen if you had it.
Cool, so it worked.
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lordcheeto03 said:
Just something to remember: Bootloaders (all the bad KNOX junk) CANNOT be flashed via custom recovery. So if you are flashing a stock ROM (firmware?) via custom recovery you will NOT get KNOX. If, however you decide to flash a ROM/firmware via Odin chances are very good that you will be getting a new bootloader and all the KNOX garbage it brings.
TLR
If you flash via recovery you won't get KNOX, if you flash via Odin you probably will.
Modems must also be flashed in Odin, but as far as KNOX goes, it's the bootloader you don't want.
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So what you are saying is if I flash a stock zip via custom recover no KNOX? Has this been tested? I removed knox on 4.3 but got crazy and tried 4.4.4 now random restarts.
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So what you are saying is if I flash a stock zip via custom recover no KNOX? Has this been tested? I removed knox on 4.3 but got crazy and tried 4.4.4 now random restarts.
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Yes, what I'm saying has been tested and confirmed 100%. There is no way to flash a KNOX-implemented bootloader (or ANY bootloader for that matter) via custom recovery. You seem to have the misconception that the KNOX apps within the ROM is what all the KNOX talk is about. If anything, it's only a small part. Now, I'm not absolutely certain of how this works as I've only followed the technical posts in the Development only forum regarding this for the first 10 or so pages, so if I say something that isn't exactly accurate, please forgive me. The basic gist is that when you hear about KNOX and why it's not necessarily wanted in the updated firmwares isn't because of a few user-removable apps; it's something at the hardware level that, when during the boot up tests and checks, it notices that there is a custom kernel or custom recovery in place instead of the expected stock kernel/recovery, it blows an e-fuse and forever after tells anyone who looks at the download mode that the device has been modified at one point or another.
About the random restarts, without knowing whether you updated from 4.3 to 4.4.4 via custom recovery or other official means, all I can say is to try a factory reset and/or use Odin to re-flash the firmware and do a factory reset after that.
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Yes, what I'm saying has been tested and confirmed 100%. There is no way to flash a KNOX-implemented bootloader (or ANY bootloader for that matter) via custom recovery. You seem to have the misconception that the KNOX apps within the ROM is what all the KNOX talk is about. If anything, it's only a small part. Now, I'm not absolutely certain of how this works as I've only followed the technical posts in the Development only forum regarding this for the first 10 or so pages, so if I say something that isn't exactly accurate, please forgive me. The basic gist is that when you hear about KNOX and why it's not necessarily wanted in the updated firmwares isn't because of a few user-removable apps; it's something at the hardware level that, when during the boot up tests and checks, it notices that there is a custom kernel or custom recovery in place instead of the expected stock kernel/recovery, it blows an e-fuse and forever after tells anyone who looks at the download mode that the device has been modified at one point or another.
About the random restarts, without knowing whether you updated from 4.3 to 4.4.4 via custom recovery or other official means, all I can say is to try a factory reset and/or use Odin to re-flash the firmware and do a factory reset after that.
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Okay, I misunderstood on what you said could be flashed, but will have to take a look. Could you please point me in the right direction for that forum. As far as the misconception goes I do know that KNOX is in the bootloader. I also know that KNOX app/software is found in the rom as well. As for KNOX being in the rom Titanium Backup helps to remove most of it. Or I can just installing a custom rom that has it removed. The main reason that I had started this forum was to remove the KNOX from the bootloader. The reason I pointed to http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2013/12/how-to-remove-knox-bootloader-from-new.html in the first post is because they stated it could be done. After doing some other looking around and talking to others I tried it. Seems like it works on android 4.3, but 4.4.2 and 4.4.4. when I try to do the same it is not happy. I updated via Odin. The first time was 4.2 to 4.3 after modding the bootloader and not the rom. It works fine no KNOX lines in download mode. Still KNOX in the rom but uninstalled using Titanium Backup. Currently I am running android 4.3 on my Galaxy S4 no issues and as far as I can tell no KNOX.
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Okay, I misunderstood on what you said could be flashed, but will have to take a look. Could you please point me in the right direction for that forum. As far as the misconception goes I do know that KNOX is in the bootloader. I also know that KNOX app/software is found in the rom as well. As for KNOX being in the rom Titanium Backup helps to remove most of it. Or I can just installing a custom rom that has it removed. The main reason that I had started this forum was to remove the KNOX from the bootloader. The reason I pointed to http://www.s4miniarchive.com/2013/12/how-to-remove-knox-bootloader-from-new.html in the first post is because they stated it could be done. After doing some other looking around and talking to others I tried it. Seems like it works on android 4.3, but 4.4.2 and 4.4.4. when I try to do the same it is not happy. I updated via Odin. The first time was 4.2 to 4.3 after modding the bootloader and not the rom. It works fine no KNOX lines in download mode. Still KNOX in the rom but uninstalled using Titanium Backup. Currently I am running android 4.3 on my Galaxy S4 no issues and as far as I can tell no KNOX.
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Wait.... your on 4.3 or 4.2 and have been able to unlock the bootloader on them?? Everything you said above is exactly what I have seen and heard also with the addition that the signatures not matching verification checks are what is blowing the q fuse or what Knox and the Samsung / att security freak out about right?
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I was on 4.2 and downloaded the stock 4.3 to my Linux pc. I then did what was stated on the s4 mini forums and was able to remove Knox from the bootloader, then the rom via titanium backup. Note as far as I know you can't remove Knox once it is already there.