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Quick review after having the Lumia 900 for 5 days...

I wanted to take the time to post a few pros and cons for those considering the device and answer some questions for those that have them. So here we go...
Pros:
- The build quality is absolutely superb; Nokia has always nailed this and the Lumia 900 doesn't leave anything to be desired.
- Antenna is strong. I went to some known problem areas and I had no drops. Typically Samsung and Nokia are the strongest in terms of reception quality. I'm glad I can experience Nokia antenna's in the states again!
- The clear black display technology lives up to all the hype. Outdoor visability is fantastic.
- Overall stability and speed is excellent, partly due to WP7, but much more zip than the Focus that I have also used.
- Speaker is strong and has decent range.
- Typical excellent Nokia voice quality, both for me and those I call.
- Battery life is excellent...although I find myself playing with the thing all day. Overall it holds up pretty well to the task.
- Front camera is excellent.
- Stylish if you are the stylish type!
Cons:
- The back 8MP camera is a letdown. I talked with a Nokia rep that said this was a known issue and that it will be fixed in a software push. I have read good things about the N9 camera so I expect this to be fixed. Will keep you guys posted.
- The bluetooth randomly disconnects and then reconnects. Not typically and issue but my bluetooth (Motorola Elite Silver) likes to talk to me and let me know when it disconnects and connects...so a little annoying! Might be a WP7 issue though as my Focus was never the best at bluetooth either.
- Although the speaker sounds great, its lowest volume setting is too loud. I often put some music on when I hit the sack, and it seems that the range of sound doesn't go low enough for a quiet room. The difference between 15 and 1 is negligible. Might not matter to some but I thought I would mention it.
Overall so far:
I am liking this phone more and more everyday. The looks, build quality, Display, and phone performance have been excellent. It feels nice having a solid, well built phone in my hands as opposed to the plastic-y Samsung models. The camera on the back disappoints me but the promise of a software fix eases my mind somewhat. I seriously believe if they can fix the camera we will have a perfect phone on our hands.
I will update as I discover new things I love or hate. If you have any questions I can answer them and I will try to do so in a timely fashion. I hope I could help some of you out!

Very informative post. Thanks for all of the great info! I was worried about the camera after checking out an AT&T sales reps Lumia 900 a few days ago. The pictures were all a little grainy to me. I really hope that a software update can resolve the issue. It seems like that's reasonable given that they are really hyping the 8MP Carl Zeiss lens.

I'd like to see some heavy testing on the battery. On full charge, us WPBench app and test battery. Thanks for your insight.
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wundrbread33 said:
I wanted to take the time to post a few pros and cons for those considering the device and answer some questions for those that have them. So here we go...
Pros:
- The build quality is absolutely superb; Nokia has always nailed this and the Lumia 900 doesn't leave anything to be desired.
- Antenna is strong. I went to some known problem areas and I had no drops. Typically Samsung and Nokia are the strongest in terms of reception quality. I'm glad I can experience Nokia antenna's in the states again!
- The clear black display technology lives up to all the hype. Outdoor visability is fantastic.
- Overall stability and speed is excellent, partly due to WP7, but much more zip than the Focus that I have also used.
- Speaker is strong and has decent range.
- Typical excellent Nokia voice quality, both for me and those I call.
- Battery life is excellent...although I find myself playing with the thing all day. Overall it holds up pretty well to the task.
- Front camera is excellent.
- Stylish if you are the stylish type!
Cons:
- The back 8MP camera is a letdown. I talked with a Nokia rep that said this was a known issue and that it will be fixed in a software push. I have read good things about the N9 camera so I expect this to be fixed. Will keep you guys posted.
- The bluetooth randomly disconnects and then reconnects. Not typically and issue but my bluetooth (Motorola Elite Silver) likes to talk to me and let me know when it disconnects and connects...so a little annoying! Might be a WP7 issue though as my Focus was never the best at bluetooth either.
- Although the speaker sounds great, its lowest volume setting is too loud. I often put some music on when I hit the sack, and it seems that the range of sound doesn't go low enough for a quiet room. The difference between 15 and 1 is negligible. Might not matter to some but I thought I would mention it.
Overall so far:
I am liking this phone more and more everyday. The looks, build quality, Display, and phone performance have been excellent. It feels nice having a solid, well built phone in my hands as opposed to the plastic-y Samsung models. The camera on the back disappoints me but the promise of a software fix eases my mind somewhat. I seriously believe if they can fix the camera we will have a perfect phone on our hands.
I will update as I discover new things I love or hate. If you have any questions I can answer them and I will try to do so in a timely fashion. I hope I could help some of you out!
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I got an hour yesterday with a Cyan 900 and 800. Both are great. I'm not a big picture taker, so I didn't see a problem with the camera. The concern for me was the weight. Yes, the 900 is a touch heavier than what I currently carry...Focus S. But, what was amazing was the balance. The phone fits and stays in my hand, like it should. Carrying the really light Focus S, I have dropped it a couple of times....the balance is off. Hand the same thing with the Motoroal Razr...though this was fixed with the Razr Maxx.
I was sold months ago on the WP7 OS. I only needed to find hte hardware to fit my likes. The 900 is it.
I also got to see, but not touch the White 900. The thing is purdy. REALLY purdy. If you want a white one, its worth the wait. I'm not willing to wait a few extra weeks. But if it was offered now, I'd be getting that. The black on White color combination and the impace with variouis screen themes.....oh man!!! not for everyone.....but....nice.

wundrbread33 said:
Cons:
- Although the speaker sounds great, its lowest volume setting is too loud. I often put some music on when I hit the sack, and it seems that the range of sound doesn't go low enough for a quiet room. The difference between 15 and 1 is negligible. Might not matter to some but I thought I would mention it.
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I noticed this as well. It is a bother... needs more range. To me, it should get whisper quiet before the sound disappears altogether.
alodar1 said:
I also got to see, but not touch the White 900. The thing is purdy. REALLY purdy. If you want a white one, its worth the wait.
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I wanted a white one, but the cyan is sexy too. I also didn't want to wait, as I wanted to get the $100 connectivity issue credit (though I'm having no problem with LTE in STL.
I've just gotten the phone yesterday, so I'm still figuring things out. It's my first WP. LOVING the build and quality of the phone. Signal has been excellent. Connecting to my work wifi is amazingly fast and just WORKS, when it was a PITA with my android.
Some of my cons so far:
-The speaker volume that you mentioned.
-I want the status icons to stay and not disappear. I don't want to swipe to see them.
-Not being able to set custom alerts for text messages for my contacts. I want a different alert if my kids are texting me vs. a friend.
-This is probably me just being dumb, but how to you go back/forward in the browser?

alodar1 said:
I got an hour yesterday with a Cyan 900 and 800. Both are great. I'm not a big picture taker, so I didn't see a problem with the camera. The concern for me was the weight. Yes, the 900 is a touch heavier than what I currently carry...Focus S. But, what was amazing was the balance. The phone fits and stays in my hand, like it should. Carrying the really light Focus S, I have dropped it a couple of times....the balance is off. Hand the same thing with the Motoroal Razr...though this was fixed with the Razr Maxx.
I was sold months ago on the WP7 OS. I only needed to find hte hardware to fit my likes. The 900 is it.
I also got to see, but not touch the White 900. The thing is purdy. REALLY purdy. If you want a white one, its worth the wait. I'm not willing to wait a few extra weeks. But if it was offered now, I'd be getting that. The black on White color combination and the impace with variouis screen themes.....oh man!!! not for everyone.....but....nice.
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Somehow I missed the memo until yesterday that the white one is a gloss finish!! This makes m less excited for it and I was just wondering what you thought of its look?
More so than the look difference its the scratch and fingerprint difference that gives me pause
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This is my first WP. Overall it's nice, but resolution is a serious let down. I like to browse the web on my phone and the text is just hideous.

nextonline said:
This is my first WP. Overall it's nice, but resolution is a serious let down. I like to browse the web on my phone and the text is just hideous.
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So you'll be sending yours back and getting the Galaxy Nexus or the Razr Maxx??
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bmc24 said:
Somehow I missed the memo until yesterday that the white one is a gloss finish!! This makes m less excited for it and I was just wondering what you thought of its look?
More so than the look difference its the scratch and fingerprint difference that gives me pause
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You know, I didn't pay that much attention to that detail. I usually don't care about the glass finish. NO matter what finish you have, there's something that doesn't work out. So, if I got the white, the glass or matte would not be an impact on my decision. Though, a matte white...might not be that attractive...hmmm...didn't think of that...

nextonline said:
This is my first WP. Overall it's nice, but resolution is a serious let down. I like to browse the web on my phone and the text is just hideous.
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Have you turned on "desktop version" vs. "mobile version" in IE preferences? It looks much better in the full version. Though of course it takes things longer to load.

alodar1 said:
So you'll be sending yours back and getting the Galaxy Nexus or the Razr Maxx??
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You know, I didn't pay that much attention to that detail. I usually don't care about the glass finish. NO matter what finish you have, there's something that doesn't work out. So, if I got the white, the glass or matte would not be an impact on my decision. Though, a matte white...might not be that attractive...hmmm...didn't think of that...
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My worry is that the gloss finish will be much easier to damage than the matter. I also Ike the understated look of the matte. I'm not eligible for upgrade til may so u will get some hands on before purchase but right now I'm leaning toward a black one with a case.
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bmc24 said:
My worry is that the gloss finish will be much easier to damage than the matter. I also Ike the understated look of the matte. I'm not eligible for upgrade til may so u will get some hands on before purchase but right now I'm leaning toward a black one with a case.
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I'm thinking of getting this case. That way I'll have some white (which will contrast nicely with the blue), but if the white gloss sucks or gets scratched, it's just a case.
http://www.case-mate.com/Nokia-Lumia-900-Cases/Case-Mate-Nokia-Lumia-900-Barely-There-Cases.asp

bmc24 said:
My worry is that the gloss finish will be much easier to damage than the matter. I also Ike the understated look of the matte. I'm not eligible for upgrade til may so u will get some hands on before purchase but right now I'm leaning toward a black one with a case.
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Easier to damage cause it's glossy so a bit less grippy? Also wouldn't the white finish hide fingerprints better than black matte?
Also having the phone in white tricks the eye into believing it's bigger than say black. So a white 900 will be even bigger than it already is lol

Oh goodness, now this is something that really bothers me. One volume, WP7, really? You mean if I'm listening to media, but I want my ringtone/alert volume low, this is impossible? No separate media volume? Not to mention not being able to have a different volume for phone calls and texts. I'm sitting here at work trying to listen to music over headphones, and have to annoy my coworkers with my text and email notifications? Am I missing something?

jettrue said:
Oh goodness, now this is something that really bothers me. One volume, WP7, really? You mean if I'm listening to media, but I want my ringtone/alert volume low, this is impossible? No separate media volume? Not to mention not being able to have a different volume for phone calls and texts. I'm sitting here at work trying to listen to music over headphones, and have to annoy my coworkers with my text and email notifications? Am I missing something?
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I tootally agree with you. This may be one of the areas that WP7 's simplification leads to frustration.
BTW for all of those talking about the white phone, on the Verge mobile netcast, Vlad mentioned that the HTC One X was a matte finish and noticed that his jeans' dye rubbed onto the phone. I think the gloss is probably to prevent color absorption.

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Easier to damage cause it's glossy so a bit less grippy? Also wouldn't the white finish hide fingerprints better than black matte?
Also having the phone in white tricks the eye into believing it's bigger than say black. So a white 900 will be even bigger than it already is lol
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Well the gloss has been described as a more enamel feel to it. Anytime I have had a shiny device like that it is prone to get scratched really easy. They are both carbonate bodies but the gloss finish makes me think the way the device would react to sharp objects more harshly.
I will admit I don't know exactly how to describe what I am trying to say here haha. But nonetheless it's something I hope to be wrong about but we shall see. Also the gloss finish will reflect more light thereby making fingerprints far more obvious. My favorite part about the matte finish compared to gloss ones is its low reflectability. Hopefully I'll get my hands on it and find this is all much to do about nothing but I was just hoping someone had more insight into this matter.
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epidemike said:
I tootally agree with you. This may be one of the areas that WP7 's simplification leads to frustration.
BTW for all of those talking about the white phone, on the Verge mobile netcast, Vlad mentioned that the HTC One X was a matte finish and noticed that his jeans' dye rubbed onto the phone. I think the gloss is probably to prevent color absorption.
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While that sounds like it could be true it still doesn't kill my worries haha. If that's true that seems like a major oversight on the design team's part.
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jettrue said:
Oh goodness, now this is something that really bothers me. One volume, WP7, really? You mean if I'm listening to media, but I want my ringtone/alert volume low, this is impossible? No separate media volume? Not to mention not being able to have a different volume for phone calls and texts. I'm sitting here at work trying to listen to music over headphones, and have to annoy my coworkers with my text and email notifications? Am I missing something?
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If you have headphones on it should be playing only through the headphones. At least that's what my focus does. Also you could just put it on vibrate and it will not sound off. Hope this helps!

Review of MetaWatch smart watch with lots of pics!!!

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Couple of questions:
1) Does it have a low light setting or at least a setting to invert the black/grey hues?
2) At $130 it's something of a luxury price for novelty functions. Do you think it's ready for Prime Time (so to speak)?
3) I noticed you have Torque installed on your phone. Just an awesome app!

Really good review.... but I wish the watch interface looked more modern, for $130 i wish the screen on the watch was a touch screen style & the icons on the watch, im not feeling.
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apallohadas said:
Couple of questions:
1) Does it have a low light setting or at least a setting to invert the black/grey hues?
2) At $130 it's something of a luxury price for novelty functions. Do you think it's ready for Prime Time (so to speak)?
3) I noticed you have Torque installed on your phone. Just an awesome app!
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I wouldn't exactly call it novelty. There are many times, throughout the day, when I simply cannot pick up/pull out my phone but still need to see who/what, etc... That's priceless, in my opinion.
Which leads me to add to your questions for the OP:
I didn't see any mention of caller ID. Is that possible, with this watch? If so, how far down the pipe is it to be unlocked?

KingP1n said:
Really good review.... but I wish the watch interface looked more modern, for $130 i wish the screen on the watch was a touch screen style & the icons on the watch, im not feeling.
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This is actually what I was surprised about as well. I was hoping for a much nicer screen. Once they come out with a model that can support applications like strava and mapmyrun I will probably be all about one of these.
Awesome review!

Str0ntium said:
I wouldn't exactly call it novelty. There are many times, throughout the day, when I simply cannot pick up/pull out my phone but still need to see who/what, etc... That's priceless, in my opinion.
Which leads me to add to your questions for the OP:
I didn't see any mention of caller ID. Is that possible, with this watch? If so, how far down the pipe is it to be unlocked?
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We'll have to disagree there sir. With some further customization I can see this becoming more useful but not priceless by far.
And as another poster just mentioned, it really could look a bit better. The Casio-calculator-ish readout is probably scaled down to give it that impressive battery life. I'd totally drool if it looked a bit more like the Nike+ GPS watch.
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apallohadas said:
We'll have to disagree there sir. With some further customization I can see this becoming more useful but not priceless by far.
And as another poster just mentioned, it really could look a bit better. The Casio-calculator-ish readout is probably scaled down to give it that impressive battery life. I'd totally drool if it looked a bit more like the Nike+ GPS watch.
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One man's priceless is another man's trash. I think that goes without saying. As for looks, yep it's butt-ugly. I think we can agree, there. The Pebble looks very nice, if not a little too feminine for my taste. Unfortunately, unless someone pre-ordered last year or is willing to buy a pre-order for $200+ off ebay that one is not going to be widely available any time soon. The Sony looks decent and I think I've read can be used with your own watch band. At ~$100, I think that beats the pants out of this one based on functionality, alone. But, again, what I consider useful you don't. Different strokes.

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Handling phone calls - like a champ! You get caller ID and also an option to hangup or answer the call. You also have a config option to answer the phone and turn speakerphone on. All the phone calling history along with email history and other notifications are stored and can be viewed.
Regarding the look. MetaWatch was started by Fossil guys, so I will give them a benefit of a doubt they know a thing or two about watch ergonomics. If Strata style is too sporty, FRAME style is your typical wrist band style with a replacement band.
I only have Strata, so can't tell you how FRAME looks next to it, but I think its slimmer/trimmer in general.
With different clock faces, I'm sure more stuff will be coming soon since I saw "Analog" option in NE Manager. Regarding graphics, the original MetaWatch manager has better icons and fonts (still digital clock), but not all the functionality is unlocked yet.
With reference to Pebble and Sony smartwatches, I can only judge Sony by a limited experience of playing with discontinued MN800 (LiveView model) - the battery life wasn't that great, and because of OLED display the screen is on for a few seconds before it times out. So it was displaying info only as it being pushed to the watch or when you push the button to view the clock, etc. Without a doubt, having a color screen is an awesome experience, but it comes at a price of battery life and aging of OLED if you keep it on all the time. Plus, OLED is hardly visible in direct sunlight. I do want to get my hands on their latest SmartWatch to see how it works in comparison to LiveView and MetaWatch. With Pebble, I'm hoping to get a review sample one of these days as well. In my opinion it will be similar to MetaWatch in functionality and display graphics. I'm also reading a lot of comments that hardware is ready by software is still work in progress.
You gotta keep in mind, Sony and Nike stuff looks good, but it never took off even at discounted prices. Now, here we have MetaWatch and Pebble, two kickstarter projects that generated a lot of buzz and followers. MetaWatch was ahead with their release and has a very strong base of hackers/users who took matter in their own hands. Pebble probably going to follow the same route since I believe their source is open. I can't judge Pebble, but from use of MetaWatch I found it to do exactly what I would expect from a smart watch - to be remote extension of my phone so I don't have to take my phone out to see who is calling, or start playing music on my bt speaker, to read info about incoming emails where I can see who it's from and the subject line of the email, to see my calendar and all the scheduled talks and to be able to scroll through days and months of content, to see text messages, to get a notification for all these events, and counts for anything I missed, to get a current weather and weather forecast for the next three days, and more.
This is just my personal opinion because I like to have everything on one screen, just like as you can see I have it on my phone with all the widgets and how I set up MetaWatch with everything on one screen. Does it look like a fashionable watch? Not really. It looks like a geek gadget My friends at work were telling me I got "**** Tracy" watch. Can you change it? Sure, if you dress it up using FRAME and more minimalistic layout. But don't expect it to look like OLED display because its a different display technology.
This was my first true smart watch experience, and I hope to have more in the near future for comparison. But based on what I have tested and wearing right now - I'm very impressed!!!

I tried a Metawatch for about a week. Returned it. Overpriced piece of junk. Have been using a Sony with a Fossil band for a few months and am pretty satisfied.
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I tried a Metawatch for about a week. Returned it. Overpriced piece of junk. Have been using a Sony with a Fossil band for a few months and am pretty satisfied.
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Care to share your experience with MetaWatch and why you found it to be "piece of junk"? Did you have it configured the same way as I did, was it not enough or didn't meet your expectations or did you just give up because you were using MetaWatch original manager? I can see how someone will get frustrated because it's still limited out of the box if you only download original Manager. But going with Noah or Community Edition manager and Executive Assistant+ along with K-9/TouchDown - that covers a huge ground. True, the visual is nowhere near Sony's OLED and ton of apps you can get with it. My only experience with Sony was using MN800 LiveView. I assume you are using MN2SW, right? Does it stay up or display turns off after 10-15seconds, and only comes up whenever you have notification? How is a battery life? How about text message, email (POP/IMAP/Exchange) linking?
For benefit of this thread and considering your experience with both smart watches, I would really appreciate if you can summarize it in more words than "piece of junk" and "pretty satisfied"

What software and hardware version are you running? I have the frame and music control does not work neither does answering calls. I get only 6.5hrs of battery life. Very poor. I'm running ne community and augmented watch app.
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Jlczl most likely thinks it's a piece of junk because there is another thread on metwatch in which he has given a description of his experiences. I for one felt the same way during that time of discussion. As for now I sit on the fence. It's not bad but not great either.
In comparison to the pebble, the metawatch is very slow on the development side.
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For benefit of this thread and considering your experience with both smart watches, I would really appreciate if you can summarize it in more words than "piece of junk" and "pretty satisfied"
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OK. I'm using the Sony SmartWatch MN2. I don't remember much about the Metawatch but suffice it to say once I got the Sony I realized how behind the MetaWatch was. I was using the Noah Edition and it still didn't have near the functionality of the Sony.
With the Sony my Gmail and text messages appear on my watch in their entirety (not just the sender name or title), I remotely control my Spotify music, I can see my camera on the watch face and even control the shutter to take a pic, I can turn on audio recording from my watch, I get my Google Now notifications on my watch as well as the obvious answer and/or reject calls from it. All of this in color, with a touch screen, on my own watch band and for almost half the price. I can choose from a variety of watch faces depending on what looks better and on how much I want my battery to last. To get a week between charges I use a watch face that only appears when I double tap the screen or push the side button. If I use the "always on" watch face it'll only last about 2 days before it needs a charge.
The MetaWatch has a build and screen that leaves a lot to be desired. It really does remind me of a cheap Casio. Additionally, I was never able to get consistent operation for music on it. The buttons sometimes took forever to respond so I never new when a button press had really registered or not. On top of that it just quit taking a charge all of a sudden and never turned back on. The high price, limited and alpha software, and Jr High school appearance was too much so I ended up returning it. On the upside they were very gracious about the return and didn't give me a hard time about it at all.
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Thank you guys for your feedback on both MW and Sony MN2SW. Hopefully one of these days I will get a chance to review Sony and Pebble watches.
Regarding Sony smart watch, can you preview POP/IMAP accounts in addition to GMail? How about Exchange account? That would be the most important features for me personally.
Regarding my MW Strata watch, its running SW/FW 1.35 and HW Rev F which supposed to be the latest. I have read about issues with pre 1.35 SW version and problems with battery and other functionality. v1.35 is solid and running like a champ. No issues with music control. Make sure you have in Watch Apps setting to enable Media Control Method as "Emulate headset buttons", and I also have "Inverse Media Player Buttons" since I care more about next/prev track skip rather than volume up/down control. What I like is how I can press Play from a that audio control and it starts playing on my phone, and it also displays the song name/artist (but only after the first track skip when it read the audio info). With a default audio player you have to start Play from the phone, and then can control it from the watch. No issues with a phone, but I did notice when I'm in a car and paired up with my head unit in there, I can receive calls without a problem, but sometime can't dial out. Hopefully they will be able to fix it soon.
Regarding response of the control and switching between pages on the phone, I do agree. CE and NE is painfully slow and sometime there is at least 1s-2s delay. It's simply because those custom Manager are not optimized for the latest firmware/software. When you use the latest official MW Manager - any control or switching between pages is lighting fast. That is why I put a lot of hope and will give MW guys a benefit of a doubt they will get the official MW Manager on par with NE Manager. If you combine features of NE Manager with a speed and graphics of a new MW Manager and add some custom analog and digital watch faces - it will take MW smartwatch to the next level.
Btw, thanks for the pointer about Augmented Watch app. I will test it out and let you know how it works for me (contacted them already, fantastic support and fast response from Adrian). Also, I wonder if your poor battery life has to do with a fact that you are not running v1.35? With everything I'm running right now (NE Manager, EA+ widgets, etc.) I had it charged up about 8 hours ago, and my watch battery is only 1% down. I had hardly any emails during this time, so not my "vibrations" or use of backlight. It was mostly idling during that 8 hours where I just check to see if I got any new emails by checking EA+ counter and Notification history. But still, that's impressive. Not pretty-face like Sony, but impressive in terms of geek-face functionality

apallohadas said:
Couple of questions:
1) Does it have a low light setting or at least a setting to invert the black/grey hues?
2) At $130 it's something of a luxury price for novelty functions. Do you think it's ready for Prime Time (so to speak)?
3) I noticed you have Torque installed on your phone. Just an awesome app!
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Sorry bro, missed you post.
1) In a Quick Setup picture I posted, the middle setting on the left inverts the color. Also, NE Manager has an option to Invert LCD "where appropriate", and I assume it's tied up with a light sensor.
2) I think as technology will become more mainstream, the price will go down. Right now $130 is actually discounted from their usual $180 price. In my opinion Sony's MN2SW recent discount/price drop to $99 (I'm sure in lieu of slow sales and/or announcement of new smartwatch in the upcoming Asia EXPO) is more reasonable for this technology. Prime Time ready? I think software content is the main driving force and probably the reason why Apple, Samsung, and Google hasn't announced anything yet. Hardware is the easiest part in this case. The only way to be prime time ready is to have a strong app/widget and solid software/firmware content. That explains success of MetaWatch and Pebble open source release, and also recent announcement by Sony to open their code source for some devices. For sure, its Geek Time ready
3) Yep, have OBDII bt dongle and Torque premium. Unfortunately, never get a chance to use it in the car because I run Google maps Nav all the time. Both of our Nexus 7 tablet in use by wife and kids (those have bt connection), and my other cheap tablet doesn't have bt. But in general that app is SICK!!! Btw, MN800 thingy from Sony (I got it for $20 of ebay - nice teaser of Sony's smart watches) has a free Torque app/widget which connects to your phone and can give you a remote view of one of the gauges. I might just end up using it that way
As a side note, having these bt smart watches puts some toll on your battery. Considering that I had to install K-9 and TouchDown in order to access unread mail count and constant BT connection - that can cost you an extra 10%-15% of battery a day. More advantage to use ZeroLemon 9300; just wish those guys would release a rugged case soon!!!!

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As a side note, having these bt smart watches puts some toll on your battery. Considering that I had to install K-9 and TouchDown in order to access unread mail count and constant BT connection - that can cost you an extra 10%-15% of battery a day. More advantage to use ZeroLemon 9300; just wish those guys would release a rugged case soon!!!!
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Good point. I started using a Motorola Roadster 2 bluetooth speaker in my patrol car. Just 100% awesome, but it does take it's toll a bit on battery as you mentioned. Perhaps 10% on a heavy day of calls and getting in/out of the car waking up the bt connection, etc.
Time for me to take a look at that Sony watch now!

I think this watch has a lot of promise as soon as development kicks in more and more same as pebble one. As far as the sony Mn2 looks good but with the motoactv ypu can do the same as the sony and more by rooting the device where all the info is here in xda. One thing I like about the metawatch and pebble is the water resistant part were y o u can swim with it or take showers with it and still control your music player or so from the water. Time will add more and more of this smartwatches and better features.
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Thanks vectron. Yes I am running s/w version 1.35.
When I purchased my watch everyone on eBay was selling hardware version G. I purchased mine from the official site and received hardware E.
Apparently people on the support page / metawatch forums are getting 3 days of battery use i.e running 14 hrs a day @ an average of 5 messages per hour with h/w G.
From my research, h/w E's are the ones with issues. I have both the black and white frame metawatch and both are suffering from poor battery life.
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What Rom are you using on your Note and how do you have it set it up?.
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For that price the watch is very limited.
I got the Motorola Motoactv when it was on sale for $150, it came with the wrist strap, belt clip, and heart rate monitor. It's full color touch screen, and runs android. I get 2-3 days out of the battery.
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coquipr said:
I think this watch has a lot of promise as soon as development kicks in more and more same as pebble one. As far as the sony Mn2 looks good but with the motoactv ypu can do the same as the sony and more by rooting the device where all the info is here in xda. One thing I like about the metawatch and pebble is the water resistant part were y o u can swim with it or take showers with it and still control your music player or so from the water. Time will add more and more of this smartwatches and better features.
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Yes, I think full water protection is an awesome feature. But the ability to view display in direct sunlight and under any indoor/outdoor condition - that is priceless. Plus you can set it up to turn the backlight on whenever you receive a message so even in the dark you can view your notifications. Haven't heard much about motoactv as a smartwatch since it always referred to as exercise watch, but I just looked up and see references how to enhance it's functionality with a rooted phone and augmented smartwatch app to get all the notifications and to be able to use it with any other phone beside Motorola.
Btw, my Note 2 is not rooted. Because of my work's Exchange security policy, I'm not allowed to root. So everything is stock and works as is.
And yes I do agree, with time we are going to see more and more new smartwatches. As a matter of fact, MetaWatch guys mentioned they are working on a lot of new updates, including new "sexy" hardware. I will definitely give them a benefit of a doubt. They were first out of the door, kept their kickstarter promise, and have a head start for next gen learning from experience of the current gen.

Moto Hint

Who is planning to get a Moto Hint? I am curious how the experience of having bot ha Moto 360 and the Moto Hint will be. I wonder if the two devices will compete for your words or if they will have a synergy making having both worthwhile. I do a lot of talking on the phone so a nice bluetooth headset really interests me.

the only thing i'm worried about with the hint is that it will really look like you're talking to yourself

Oh dang I actually haven't heard about these but I think they look like they'll be a pretty good product for those who use such devices. I would splurge but I don't think I would actually use it very often...

I was curious and found the Moto Hint last night at Best Buy. It fit great in the ear and was really comfortable. I could hear callers clearly. Issue is that callers could not hear me well. I was told that every few words were clear then there would be a gap of silence while I continued to speak. I tried with the Note 3 and iPhone 5 and both had the same results. I then covered the sensor making the Hint believe it was in my ear and spoke directly into the mic about an inch from my mouth. Callers heard everything I said clearly. It appears that the BT mic is too far from the mouth to pick up speech properly. I had high hopes for the Hint and am disapointed that it didn't operate as advertised. Will give it the benifit of the doubt and swap it out for another one before giving up.

Make sure the two microphones are aligned and pointed toward your mouth and not your eyes. You may have to consciously rotate the back of the unit upwards slightly when you put it in the ear so microphones line up such that they point to your mouth. Found this in user guide and it works great with this slight adjustment in ear.

where do you live? i cant seem to find the moto hint on bestbuys website. Looking at motorola website doesn't seem like they are on sale yet T^T i wanna try this headset out pretty bad lol
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I was curious and found the Moto Hint last night at Best Buy. It fit great in the ear and was really comfortable. I could hear callers clearly. Issue is that callers could not hear me well. I was told that every few words were clear then there would be a gap of silence while I continued to speak. I tried with the Note 3 and iPhone 5 and both had the same results. I then covered the sensor making the Hint believe it was in my ear and spoke directly into the mic about an inch from my mouth. Callers heard everything I said clearly. It appears that the BT mic is too far from the mouth to pick up speech properly. I had high hopes for the Hint and am disapointed that it didn't operate as advertised. Will give it the benifit of the doubt and swap it out for another one before giving up.
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I also don't see it on the Best Buy website or Amazon. I found it at the Best Buy in Alexandria, VA. I decided to try another unit since the first was so bad. The Best Buy at the Pentagon City location had five in stock. This one is much better. Tried it last night and the person on the other end of the call could hear and understand everyword I said. Not so good this morning so I will follow gadgetg's instructions. I really like the look and feel of the Hint. Will try it for a few more days before I make the decision to keep it or not. My Plantronics Voyager Edge works great, but definitely not as attractive and discreet as the Hint.

Lucky! Keep us updated!
I Def like the way it looks! I would use it at work most considering i mostly use only one eat with my current setup
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I also don't see it on the Best Buy website or Amazon. I found it at the Best Buy in Alexandria, VA. I decided to try another unit since the first was so bad. The Best Buy at the Pentagon City location had five in stock. This one is much better. Tried it last night and the person on the other end of the call could hear and understand everyword I said. Not so good this morning so I will follow gadgetg's instructions. I really like the look and feel of the Hint. Will try it for a few more days before I make the decision to keep it or not. My Plantronics Voyager Edge works great, but definitely not as attractive and discreet as the Hint.
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I live in the DC area. I'll have to check those places out. Hopefully they have some left in stock.

I just left a bestbuy in Jax FL and they didn't have them in the system yet
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I wonder if the hint is using sensors to detect jaw vibrations like this headset
http://www.amazon.com/Jawbone-II-Bluetooth-NoiseAssassin-Packaging/dp/B001AQYUWC

Got the Hint yesterday at my local best buy in Miami and I really want to like it but I'm still on the fence. Calls are nice and loud with no issues with being heard. My issue is with streaming audio and how quiet it is compared to the call volume. I have the call volume at the lowest setting it's so loud but the streaming has to be over 3/4's just to be able to hear it. It also sounds a but tinny but I imagine the tiny speaker is doing its best. I turned off the Moto voice always listening feature since I'm using it with a iphone 6+ and I imagine that will also help a bit with battery life. If anyone has any suggested settings to improve streaming volume or battery life please chime in. I got the best buy 2 year insurance for $20 so I can always trade this one in if they ever come out with a different hardware version later on.

My wife really wants the Gear S when it launches and thought the hint would be the perfect accessory for it. Just worried she will lose it!

Is hint can used for other phone has not motovoice? Any limition will be?

mmx6688 said:
Is hint can used for other phone has not motovoice? Any limition will be?
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Yes you can. I'm using it with an iPhone 6 plus and it works great. The only limitation is you can't use moto voice. I have to press the mdf to call Siri.

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Yes you can. I'm using it with an iPhone 6 plus and it works great. The only limitation is you can't use moto voice. I have to press the mdf to call Siri.
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Thanks for info. I read some review say the stream sound like music is low and difficult to hear, how about yours? And any problem when talk, need to adjust you head or just feel free to talk in air?

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Thanks for info. I read some review say the stream sound like music is low and difficult to hear, how about yours? And any problem when talk, need to adjust you head or just feel free to talk in air?
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Call volume is very loud but audio streaming and music volume is much lower for some reason.

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Call volume is very loud but audio streaming and music volume is much lower for some reason.
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I see. Maybe need report back to moto.

I posted this on the Motorola Forums, but those of you with a Hint or thinking of getting one may find it useful
A US friend recently bought me a 2nd gen Moto Hint on his visit to the UK and I've got to say that the microphone
performance is really erratic. I did loads of testing and searching on the internet in case the problems were:
a) Related to the Nexus 5 I was using
b) Related to a faulty unit
c) Related to me not using the correct "gel" or positioning it in my ear correctly.
After a LOT of digging and reading the few reviews out there, I found that in quite a high proportion of the reviews I did eventually find, people mentioned about how others heard them; that people speaking into the Hint came across as quite faint and distant - exactly the problems I was getting.
A bit more digging and testing later, and I managed to eliminate both a) & b) from the equation... using a really crude test
involving a Bluetooth recorder app, I uncovered the following (Hope this helps!):
Option1.
Believe it or not, I can get consistent clear audio recorded - and subsequently call quality where others can hear me
very clearly if I... Take the Hint out of my ear and BLOW HARD into the front mic before quickly putting it back on!! I know it sounds crazy, but every time I do this, the Hint's mic works flawlessly for me (I should add, there is no debris or or anything else blocking the hole to actually be cleared and my ears are clean )
And this trick works whatever the orientation of the Hint in your ear is.. it can be positioned so the mic is level with your eyes, pointing a bit further down towards your mouth, whatever... this to me, completely dispells any previous info about rotational position in your ear being critical to mic's pick up (no consumer device suitable for everyday use should be that sensitive to position IMHO)
FYI, an audio engineer friend of mine thinks the sudden burst of white noise caused by blowing into the mic, might re-set the noise cancelling audio sampling start up processes but without pulling the thing apart and reverse engineering its code, they're at a complete loss to comprehensively explain why this should work..
FYI 2, The same audio engineer friend thinks the noise cancelling algorithms are broken in some way which is the root cause of the mic pick up being so poor out of the box, and could be fixed with a software update. They've got an older Moto Elite Sliver with Mics positioned no closer to the mouth than the Hint and the mic audio quality in comparison is damned good without having to resort to tricks..
Option 2. A bit more fiddly but also do-able, is to hold your hand up around your ear "Secret Service Agent/FBI Agent" style. Don't actually touch the hint, just have a couple of fingers brushing against the top of your ear with your palm and wrist towards your mouth to help channel the audio from your mouth into the Hint's mic. YMMV and in someways, having to do this to get enough audio to the mic kinda defeats the purpose of having such a small Bluetooth earpiece - may as well hold your phone up to your ear instead!
Anyway, I hope my findings help someone who's had problems, might've left it in a drawer etc.

Why is the SW3 LCD such crappy quality?

went to go check it out at sony store to compare against moto360. The lcd of the SW3 is dull, washed out when you stack against moto. It resisted me from now ever considering SW3..

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You obviously have less then no understanding of the differing screen technologies and also seem to lack the intelligence to make a worthwhile contribution to a forum concerning a product.
Bye now, hope not to see you again

corrado85 said:
went to go check it out at sony store to compare against moto360. The lcd of the SW3 is dull, washed out when you stack against moto. It resisted me from now ever considering SW3..
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I would say you need to look at them in the sunlight without the backlight on to see why sony uses the screen they did.

Joachim Winter said:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
You obviously have less then no understanding of the differing screen technologies and also seem to lack the intelligence to make a worthwhile contribution to a forum concerning a product.
Bye now, hope not to see you again
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dont get your panties in a bunch.
I love to own worthy sony products like z ultra, and even SW2 back in stone age.. but come on.. you cant deny the moto360 watch lcd is WAY inferior than this SW3
Yea moto360 has sunlight mode where it can be read very easily.
I am just warning people who are interested in either Moto360 or SW3 and the LCD quality is their no.1 priority, skip the SW3 for sure!
but do your own due dilligence as well

corrado85 said:
dont get your panties in a bunch.
I love to own worthy sony products like z ultra, and even SW2 back in stone age.. but come on.. you cant deny the moto360 watch lcd is WAY inferior than this SW3
Yea moto360 has sunlight mode where it can be read very easily.
I am just warning people who are interested in either Moto360 or SW3 and the LCD quality is their no.1 priority, skip the SW3 for sure!
but do your own due dilligence as well
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Well learn to make intelligent comment rather than wanky nonsense.

Joachim Winter said:
Well learn to make intelligent comment rather than wanky nonsense.
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did not mean to upset a little wanker

corrado85 said:
wanker
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Lol

corrado85 said:
dont get your panties in a bunch.
I love to own worthy sony products like z ultra, and even SW2 back in stone age.. but come on.. you cant deny the moto360 watch lcd is WAY inferior than this SW3
Yea moto360 has sunlight mode where it can be read very easily.
I am just warning people who are interested in either Moto360 or SW3 and the LCD quality is their no.1 priority, skip the SW3 for sure!
but do your own due dilligence as well
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The sony sw3 and the moto are made for different people.So if you don't like the sw3 move on and I'll keep mine.

I seen the same type of post in a review.
My 2 cents is the screen is the best for a smartwatch.
I owned many and you can not see the watch outside in direct sunlight ambient mode, this watch you can.
I created a Facer Face, Digital large font and the only time I need to turn on the backlight is when it is completely dark.

http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/02/sony-smartwatch-3-review/
here is a mediocre at best review of the SW3 from a trusted editor...
it may be nice for runners who utilize its GPS .. but this watch really lacks in style.. i couldnt see myself wearing this at cocktail parties or meetings.. lol i would look like a dork!

Me I care less about what other people think.

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I thought the name of this thread was help and troubleshooting not I don't like what I bought

Tosser who started the thread doesn't even own one, just some dickhead troll really

corrado85 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2015/01/02/sony-smartwatch-3-review/
here is a mediocre at best review of the SW3 from a trusted editor...
it may be nice for runners who utilize its GPS .. but this watch really lacks in style.. i couldnt see myself wearing this at cocktail parties or meetings.. lol i would look like a dork!
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Get the new metal watch band...and wowwwww

Because... Transflective Technology
corrado85 said:
went to go check it out at sony store to compare against moto360. The lcd of the SW3 is dull, washed out when you stack against moto. It resisted me from now ever considering SW3..
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I can see my watch in any ambient light, inculding direct sunlight, without activating the backlight. :good:
No backlight, = no battery wasted into lighting. :good:
no battery wasted into lighting = 2 days of use, while still being able to see time at a glance. :good:
If I want to look at an impressive screen, I'll pull my G3 out of my pocket. Why bother making a 1.6" screen look really nice? That's not the point of a smartwatch. Why is everybody getting hung up on color quality of a 1.6" screen?
Most likely, I'm preaching to the choir, since most people reading this are probably already SW3 owners. In that case, Congrats on your smart purchase. :good:

Visibility outside?

How the visibility of the phone outside please?

Outstanding.
Coming from a Razer Phone 2, the outside brightness/visibility is on another level.
Having the display set to colorful mode along with auto brightness helps a lot.
Manual brightness doesn't allow for maximum peak brightness.

samussamus1 said:
Outstanding.
Coming from a Razer Phone 2, the outside brightness/visibility is on another level.
Having the display set to colorful mode along with auto brightness helps a lot.
Manual brightness doesn't allow for maximum peak brightness.
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Hmm many thanks. I have someone on another forum saying the software on this phone is a big letdown. What are your thoughts?

marvi0 said:
Hmm many thanks. I have someone on another forum saying the software on this phone is a big letdown. What are your thoughts?
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No problem.
"A big letdown" is harsh in my opinion.
People were complaining about third party launcher support, however this seems to have been fixed now.
Personally I use the stock launcher, it's pretty decent.
I have no complaints. It's fast, the screen quality is fantastic, the battery life is the best I've experienced yet.
Gaming is as good as it's going to get on an Android.
The charging is just crazy. When using a 11v PPS charger the device barely warms up.
The speakers are the best I've heard yet, absolutely smashes the Oneplus 8 Pro out of the water.
I could go on and on! I've had it since day 1, since update v4.11 I haven't had any software issues.

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No problem.
"A big letdown" is harsh in my opinion.
People were complaining about third party launcher support, however this seems to have been fixed now.
Personally I use the stock launcher, it's pretty decent.
I have no complaints. It's fast, the screen quality is fantastic, the battery life is the best I've experienced yet.
Gaming is as good as it's going to get on an Android.
The charging is just crazy. When using a 11v PPS charger the device barely warms up.
The speakers are the best I've heard yet, absolutely smashes the Oneplus 8 Pro out of the water.
I could go on and on! I've had it since day 1, since update v4.11 I haven't had any software issues.
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Hmm thanks buddy. How about in hand feel? What phone did you have before and where did you buy yours?

marvi0 said:
Hmm thanks buddy. How about in hand feel? What phone did you have before and where did you buy yours?
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No problem.
Without a case, it's like a bar of soap.
I did get a Nubia clear case with the phone, but this was junk. I used it whilst a better case was being shipped.
I now have an digital camo style case from Aliexpress for £10 and the quality is outstanding, the grip is great (like my previous spigen cases).
A complaint actually, the accidental side touches are annoying.
I always accidentally press on a suggest video within Youtube when I'm watching a video.
The Oneplus 8 Pro has fantastic anti-touch software built in, hopefully Nubia will do something similar.

samussamus1 said:
No problem.
Without a case, it's like a bar of soap.
I did get a Nubia clear case with the phone, but this was junk. I used it whilst a better case was being shipped.
I now have an digital camo style case from Aliexpress for £10 and the quality is outstanding, the grip is great (like my previous spigen cases).
A complaint actually, the accidental side touches are annoying.
I always accidentally press on a suggest video within Youtube when I'm watching a video.
The Oneplus 8 Pro has fantastic anti-touch software built in, hopefully Nubia will do something similar.
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Hmm thanks. I think the accidental touches would really annoy me, and I wish I could actually see one before buying it ?. But none to see here in the UK.

samussamus1 said:
No problem.
Without a case, it's like a bar of soap.
I did get a Nubia clear case with the phone, but this was junk. I used it whilst a better case was being shipped.
I now have an digital camo style case from Aliexpress for £10 and the quality is outstanding, the grip is great (like my previous spigen cases).
A complaint actually, the accidental side touches are annoying.
I always accidentally press on a suggest video within Youtube when I'm watching a video.
The Oneplus 8 Pro has fantastic anti-touch software built in, hopefully Nubia will do something similar.
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Link to the case or a picture please.
Thanks

zayidhs said:
Link to the case or a picture please.
Thanks
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No probs,
https://a.aliexpress.com/_BUaGcV