Hi,
After upgrading to KitKat 4.4.2, my screen returned to a semi-problematic state (after being somewhat helped by 4.4). After reading again through previous threads about the ever lasting screen problems, I noticed some had significant problems when their cases were folding back 180 degrees behind the N7.
Since I had the tablet it has almost never left its case. The model I bought is the following Moko : http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00E4OKXPU/ref=oh_details_o02_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I tried removing the tablet from the case and no longer have any screen problems, and it doesn't seem to matter anymore on what surface or in what position the tablet is. From what I understand, there are multiple types of problems with the screen ; the one I had was simply low sensitivity (had to press really hard or multiple times sometimes for the device to register the touch).
So I'm asking : could it be that specific case? Could it be the magnet that provides the auto-wake function? Could it be metallic parts (?) in the case that affect grounding?
What is everyone else's mileage on this? Any screen problems with/without cases on?
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I have the same problem and have written about it more than once on this forum without finding any fellow sufferers or suggestions. I too have a moko slim case but the problem is not case specific because I've tried other cases with no improvement.
It is device specific. I have both a nexus 7 (2012) and a nexus 7 (2013). Both are in the same model moko case. Yet the problem only occurs in the 2013 model.
What happens in my case is the following.
With the case folded back 180° the touch screen will occasionally freeze while I'm typing. I discovered that if I move the folded case flap off a few degrees, so it is separated from the other flap by half an inch or so, the touch screen unfreezes. If I immediately fold it back to the 180° position the freezing will sometimes recur which is why I think it is related.
This never happened with the 2012 device. I've tried to figure out if it was magnet related, heat related, etc. and finally gave up and just live with it.
Another thread, dealing with phantom touches in the 2013 model, mentioned being able to fix that by opening the back of the device and reseating the loose touch screen cable. I've not done that. Maybe pressure from the 180° flap against the back of the nexus is causing the problem. Don't know. It is annoying. Quality control is terrible with the 2013 model. Asus or Google should really replace all the defective units.
I don't think its pressure-related (when the case is folded back).
There has to be an explanation as to why the case makes the screen freeze... I also suspected the magnet, but trying to put another magnet below and touching the (inclined) tablet did not reproduce the problem.
Maybe it has to do with the case's material, if static builds up on it. Maybe it's the magnet that finds itself behind the tablet as well when the case is folded back.
What other cases did you try? Did they have a magnet?
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Here it's no difference if case is folded or not. Just freezed.
I cut off the magnet from the case; although it was a very small magnet it breakes the compass completely. You can test it by yourself or just look for it on youtube. Now ask yourself why the original asus case has no magnet built in...
Already sent the tablet in, they've changed screen. No improvement. Going to send it in a 2nd time, if they can't fix I'm going for refund.
Has removing the magnet fix the freezing?
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I had a case that had a magnet and the second I took my Nexus 7 out of it, it worked near perfect. It was so bad that playing a game like minecraft, I'd be looking straight forward, and I would move my right thumb up not even a noticable distance and I'd be looking straight up. I removed the case, and it works almost perfectly now. It's probably the magnet. I later got the official Nexus 7 2013 case and it's amazing.
EDIT: This is the case I had. "rooCASE Google Nexus 7 FHD 2nd Gen Tablet Dual-View Folio Case Cover - Black (with Pen Stylus) Nexus 7 2 2013 Model" on Amazon. (I can't post links yet, sorry xD)
Magnet out only fixed compass. Did try out the Touchscreen drivers from another thread, took 3 hours to test all. Almost fixed all problems.
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Its a grounding issue with the touchscreen. 4.4 helps this. There is also flashible fixes from Sfhub for more fine tuning.
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Its a grounding issue with the touchscreen. 4.4 helps this. There is also flashible fixes from Sfhub for more fine tuning.
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If it is a grounding issue, doesn't that make it a hardware problem requiring a hardware fix? How would software fix it?
I agree. How could a software fix a hardware issue? Well still, in 4.3 I had stuck keys, which is no longer the case in 4.4... Weird.
Besides, that might be why official cases have no magnet, no?
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I have the original Nexus 7 and just got myself a 16 GB 2013 version. I've been noticing the plastic back is pretty easy to pry open and it doesn't seem to be very tightly fitted (some "creaking" when I squeeze the screen and plastic back together). Is anybody else's the same?
Is it also just me or does the original seem to be more sturdy and better built? It could be because the 2013 is lighter and the plastic back uses a different material?
This is definitely not an issue for me, my N72 is as solid as a rock.
Some are like that, but most are ok.
Every unit I have seen is fitted nicely, but can be easily pried open by certain cases (those ones that use a claw like design and convert to landscape). So maye that is what you are seeing? The iFixit teardown shows it to be pretty easy to pry open.
Mine's pretty solid.
I accidentally bought a case for the 2012 nexus and put it on my 2013. When I realized it was the wrong one I took it off and during the backing on my nexus definitely started prying off. So far its stayed on fine. Its definitely not hard to get off now through.
I just say be careful with it.
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I accidentally bought a case for the 2012 nexus and put it on my 2013. When I realized it was the wrong one I took it off and during the backing on my nexus definitely started prying off. So far its stayed on fine. Its definitely not hard to get off now through.
I just say be careful with it.
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no problem with mine.
So I was browsing for keyboard cases for my Note 10.1 the other day and found this case:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Slim-Blueto...vers_Keyboard_Folios&var=&hash=item3a844f9c90
Seems interesting because the keyboard is detachable from the case via a magnet on the back of case.
My only concern is that the magnet on the case might mess up the S-Pen. I've had a case with magnets and it indeed interfered with the Note's S-Pen.
Anyway, has anyone heard of this keyboard case?
I'm almost read to order one but the viewing angle looks a little steep?
I did not see any mention of magnets in the description, it's an aluminum case.
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I'm almost read to order one but the viewing angle looks a little steep?
I did not see any mention of magnets in the description, it's an aluminum case.
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Hi kkretch,
The case does seem to have a large magnet on the back where the keyboard part is attached to. Which, by the way, is one of the nicest features of this case. You can either choose to use the tablet with the back cover, or attach it to the keyboard (see picture attached).
Now, I'm not sure how it will interfere with the S-Pen. But magnets and the S-Pen don't go well together.
Here's another seller selling the same item with more detailed pictures:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Ultra-Thin-...vers_Keyboard_Folios&var=&hash=item3385635c0d
And as far as I can tell, the viewing angle is adjustable.
The case seems to be very well built and slim. I might take the risk and order one.
Let me know what you think.
If it is indeed a magnet holding it on I'm going to pass, but if you do get it please tell us how it is.
Did you notice the links have different prices.
Just so you guys know, the s-pen works by radio waves, so magnets should not affect it at all. Until some proof is provided, im going to assume that everyone who says they experienced it is just convincing themselves that they did.
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Just so you guys know, the s-pen works by radio waves, so magnets should not affect it at all. Until some proof is provided, im going to assume that everyone who says they experienced it is just convincing themselves that they did.
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This is not true at all. Wacom digitizers do use magnets, that's why you don't need a stylus with battery in it.
Just grab a magnet and put it near the S-Pen while writing down something and you'll see.
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Just so you guys know, the s-pen works by radio waves, so magnets should not affect it at all. Until some proof is provided, im going to assume that everyone who says they experienced it is just convincing themselves that they did.
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I have a case with some magnets attached to it hold the stand and it definitely messes up the s pen in the region of the magnets. If the case is removed, the s pen works fine. There's a lengthy thread on that in of the fora here, you should check that out if you don't believe me.
the wacom digitizer emits an electrical field which allows the spen to function without battery, it does not use RF
I experimented a little
it seems low power magnets had no effect (magnets you would find in most cases)
rare earth magnets however were able to disrupt the spen, and were able to penetrate though the back of the device and cause the spen not to work good aswell
the magnet has to be right on the device or right behind it to have any effect, as soon as it moves an inch-half an inch away it works normally again
I ordered one of those knock off samsung book cover cases which also has magnets in it, so i will see if while opened it has any effect on it
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the wacom digitizer emits an electrical field which allows the spen to function without battery, it does not use RF
I experimented a little
it seems low power magnets had no effect (magnets you would find in most cases)
rare earth magnets however were able to disrupt the spen, and were able to penetrate though the back of the device and cause the spen not to work good aswell
the magnet has to be right on the device or right behind it to have any effect, as soon as it moves an inch-half an inch away it works normally again
I ordered one of those knock off samsung book cover cases which also has magnets in it, so i will see if while opened it has any effect on it
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I see.. Well ive had two cases with magnets in it for several months and no problems so ill back up your claim about only rare metal magnets being strong enough.
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Just so you guys know, the s-pen works by radio waves, so magnets should not affect it at all. Until some proof is provided, im going to assume that everyone who says they experienced it is just convincing themselves that they did.
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My sister had a case with a magnet on her Note 2 and it messed up the S-Pen. Although the S-Pen did return to its original state but it took weeks before it came completely demagnetized.
that's awesome. thanks!
I just bought a note and it came with a no name case. Has magnets that keeps the lid closed. Just two small ones at each upper corner of the case. Havent noticed any interference with it.
I really like that keyboard one, especially since its detachable. Is it possibly to get one with a trackpad? ...like the transformer? Or is that custom Asus firmware allowing it to use the pad?
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I bought the case the OP was asking about. I have to say that it is a great fit for me. The magnet on the back that holds the keyboard to the case has caused no issues with my SPen. The case and keyboard are very slim and add very little bulk to the overall feel. The keyboard is aluminum which makes it feel very durable. The only con I can find about this case is that the key strokes are a little misleading. Don't get me wrong, the keyboard works perfectly and hasn't missed a keystroke yet, but since I am used to traditional keyboards, the feel of the keys as I type is throwing me off a little. Nothing that time and use won't solve. I also like that the keyboard is removable and I still have a protective case on the back of the tablet.
Overall, this is the best keyboard/case I have found for the Note 10.1 (2012) for my needs.
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I bought the case the OP was asking about. I have to say that it is a great fit for me. The magnet on the back that holds the keyboard to the case has caused no issues with my SPen. The case and keyboard are very slim and add very little bulk to the overall feel. The keyboard is aluminum which makes it feel very durable. The only con I can find about this case is that the key strokes are a little misleading. Don't get me wrong, the keyboard works perfectly and hasn't missed a keystroke yet, but since I am used to traditional keyboards, the feel of the keys as I type is throwing me off a little. Nothing that time and use won't solve. I also like that the keyboard is removable and I still have a protective case on the back of the tablet.
Overall, this is the best keyboard/case I have found for the Note 10.1 (2012) for my needs.
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Could you post some pics? planing on getting the same keyboard, but not sure cuz when i remove the keyboard the screen will be unprotected
greetings!
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Could you post some pics? planing on getting the same keyboard, but not sure cuz when i remove the keyboard the screen will be unprotected
greetings!
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I will try to take some pics when I get back home. Travelling for work at the moment and do not have that case and keyboard on my Note at the moment. I switch it up with the Samsung case and cover as I don't need the keyboard as often the more I use the tablet. Try to get some pics up on Friday though when I get home.
You are correct though, when the keyboard is off, the screen is exposed. I use Invisible Shield to solve that problem.
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I will try to take some pics when I get back home. Travelling for work at the moment and do not have that case and keyboard on my Note at the moment. I switch it up with the Samsung case and cover as I don't need the keyboard as often the more I use the tablet. Try to get some pics up on Friday though when I get home.
You are correct though, when the keyboard is off, the screen is exposed. I use Invisible Shield to solve that problem.
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Thank you Sir
I saw some where about cases that have magnet could interfere with the s pen
is that true.. I have been using moko case with no issue and love it.. but worry it will cause issue in the long run
shb8 said:
I saw some where about cases that have magnet could interfere with the s pen
is that true.. I have been using moko case with no issue and love it.. but worry it will cause issue in the long run
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I have the same case and have no problems. I doubt it will be bad in the long run considering Samsung's official case has magnets for the wake lock feature.
Don't sweat it. It should only cause temporary interference but nothing harmful in the long run.
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Yeah I'm using the MoKo slim-fit case and I haven't had a single problem and tested it and ZERO interference while flipping the cover all the way around and using the S-Pen. No issues drawing and no random screen on or offs. I had it a week tomorrow and I don't think I've had less then 4 hours of screen time everyday so I think I should have noticed something by now.
Also I know I've had no random screen on offs because 1 day I unplugged it and took it with me but didn't use it all till I got home, it was in my backpack all day, and after 9 hours when i opened it up it was still at 100% battery before going to 99% after a few minutes.
The issue you would have is if a case had magnets that are too strong then you would get interference and you may want to try a different case.
Has removing the magnetic case resolved the multi-touch issue for anyone? I've been using the poetic slim line case, and since removing it I have not seen any of the multi-touch issues. Wanted to see if this was the case for anyone else...
Ignite023 said:
Has removing the magnetic case resolved the multi-touch issue for anyone? I've been using the poetic slim line case, and since removing it I have not seen any of the multi-touch issues. Wanted to see if this was the case for anyone else...
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Not sure but will give it a try.
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Has removing the magnetic case resolved the multi-touch issue for anyone? I've been using the poetic slim line case, and since removing it I have not seen any of the multi-touch issues. Wanted to see if this was the case for anyone else...
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Not sure about that particular case, but I've noticed that pressure on certain points of the edge of the device seems to affect the touchscreen. I had tried to use a tablet mount in my car, but when the tablet is in the mount, a portion of the touchscreen stops responding. It has to be due to pressure on the edge of the device because as soon as I unclamp it from the mount it starts working normally again. So I can totally see how a case might be putting pressure on part of the device and affecting the touchscreen.
Honestly, the N7 2013 is just too thin and not rigid enough. I can't even put it in my pocket, as was my goal when I bought it, because it was causing it to warp.
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Ignite023 said:
Has removing the magnetic case resolved the multi-touch issue for anyone? I've been using the poetic slim line case, and since removing it I have not seen any of the multi-touch issues. Wanted to see if this was the case for anyone else...
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What kind of multitouch issue are you referring to ? I have Deb (Nexus 7 LTE) + Poetic Magnetic case and don't see any issue till now.:fingers-crossed:
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What kind of multitouch issue are you referring to ? I have Deb (Nexus 7 LTE) + Poetic Magnetic case and don't see any issue till now.:fingers-crossed:
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Constantly missing touch gestures
Ignite023 said:
Has removing the magnetic case resolved the multi-touch issue for anyone? I've been using the poetic slim line case, and since removing it I have not seen any of the multi-touch issues. Wanted to see if this was the case for anyone else...
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Not having any issues with multitouch here. I'm running cleanrom and elementalx kernel on 4.4.2. Someone mentioned in the thread that it might be related to pressure points on the device and I'm inclined to agree.
You might also want to take a look at this thread.
Screen protectors can be a cause of touch problems. I got a package of the official screen protectors at the time I bought my device. It took me 2 weeks to figure out the protector was the cause , after I began to question it I found out the thing was just too thick.
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Screen protectors can be a cause of touch problems. I got a package of the official screen protectors at the time I bought my device. It took me 2 weeks to figure out the protector was the cause , after I began to question it I found out the thing was just too thick.
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Now that is not something I disagree with. My multitouch issues actually got better after I applied my official screen protector. Went away completely after upgrade to 4.4.2, even with my magnetic smart case.
until i got a case, i thought my N7 doesn't suffer from touch problems. but apparently the case degraded grounding and my tochscreen got partly unresponsive. holding the tab in both hands, there weren't any issues at all. so yes, cases can worsen touchscreen issues.
but luckily the ts-10 patch from sfhub's thread solved the tochscreen issues permanently. even with a case everything works flawlessly.
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Now that is not something I disagree with. My multitouch issues actually got better after I applied my official screen protector. Went away completely after upgrade to 4.4.2, even with my magnetic smart case.
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Maybe it would be better worded "that is something I disagree with", or, "that is not something I agree with",??because it seems you are of the mindset that the protector does not negatively affect you touchscreen experience. I realize your experience can be the direct opposite of mine, which in my thinking does not negate either's experience.
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Maybe it would be better worded "that is something I disagree with", or, "that is not something I agree with",??because it seems you are of the mindset that the protector does not negatively affect you touchscreen experience. I realize your experience can be the direct opposite of mine, which in my thinking does not negate either's experience.
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I realize my grammar mistake. Oops. Yes, in my own personal experiences, I have never had a bad experience with screen protectors negatively affecting my touchscreen. The type I have used, matte, yes that affected the viewing experience. But in my experience, having that very minimal slight drag has helped with typing, drop and drag, selecting items etc. I have since switched to clear protectors (never the orange peel type, yuck) and rather glad I did. I am very much about resale value on all my devices from opening the box. No device ever gets used without a case and protector. Being able to sell as used in mint condition when I upgrade my devices 2-4 times a year is a major way to reclaim that money. Plus I dont like the slippery soap feel of naked screens. I did not mean to come off as negating your experience. I apologize if it did.
I just love the community here anywhere else that would have been the start of a flame war. But the folks here actually take the time to try to clear things up like adults. Thumbs up to you all.?
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Try using ts10 image or the other 2 seems to have fixed all the issues with the screen and you don't need to be rooted to use it
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Maybe it would be better worded "that is something I disagree with", or, "that is not something I agree with",??because it seems you are of the mindset that the protector does not negatively affect you touchscreen experience. I realize your experience can be the direct opposite of mine, which in my thinking does not negate either's experience.
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Or "That is something with which I don't not disagree".
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Or "That is something with which I don't not disagree".
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Now you're making fun of me. Lol, im a big girl, I can handle it. :thumbup:
I used to have a magnetic Moko slim case on my N7 and it would constantly suffer from random shutdowns / battery drain / incorrect readings (at least once a week) but ever since removing it, my N7 has become rock solid once again. I was even contemplating an RMA before that since it became so irritating every time I was using it with sufficient battery life and it would just shut off on me. I'm thinking the particularly strong magnetic field was somehow interfering with the battery controller on the device.
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I used to have a magnetic Moko slim case on my N7 and it would constantly suffer from random shutdowns / battery drain / incorrect readings (at least once a week) but ever since removing it, my N7 has become rock solid once again. I was even contemplating an RMA before that since it became so irritating every time I was using it with sufficient battery life and it would just shut off on me. I'm thinking the particularly strong magnetic field was somehow interfering with the battery controller on the device.
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Interesting I'll have to test this out now that you mentioned it
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You may have an older version. I know moko went through two, one didn't trigger the magnet on or off well but would sometimes trigger screen off from the back.
I've got the same case, v2, no noticeable privileges but I'm using ts20 for this nexus.
I was having ghost screen touches, so decided to remove my poetic slimline case. That solved my touch screen issues.
This is a major pain for me at work. I use this tablet constantly for note taking, sharing network maps, etc. The battery drains a lot during the day so I like to charge and use quite frequently. Sadly, no case that I have seen or used has the kickstand oriented so that the charging port is on top. This makes leaving it in the default kickstand orientation very clumsy for charging the tablet.
Right now I have the Moko slimline case and I love it, except for the above mentioned issue. From what I could tell watching a video review of the Book Cover case, the same issue applies. Has anyone seen or used a case that orients the charging port on the top when in kickstand mode?
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Im using the poetic slimline case, and although it wont do it normally, I just flipped the tablet around in the case and stood it up. This way the charging port is on top.
No issues other than you can't access the stylus, so if you need that just take it out first. Also, obviously cant use the rear facing camera.
Hope that helps.
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Im using the poetic slimline case, and although it wont do it normally, I just flipped the tablet around in the case and stood it up. This way the charging port is on top.
No issues other than you can't access the stylus, so if you need that just take it out first. Also, obviously cant use the rear facing camera.
Hope that helps.
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Yeah, I tried that with my moko slim case, but when I flip the tablet around the settings button is covered by the case and rendered useless sadly. Otherwise it would have been a great solution as the other buttons that were covered are easy enough to operate through the material of the cover, just not the back or settings button.
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This is a major pain for me at work. I use this tablet constantly for note taking, sharing network maps, etc. The battery drains a lot during the day so I like to charge and use quite frequently. Sadly, no case that I have seen or used has the kickstand oriented so that the charging port is on top. This makes leaving it in the default kickstand orientation very clumsy for charging the tablet.
Right now I have the Moko slimline case and I love it, except for the above mentioned issue. From what I could tell watching a video review of the Book Cover case, the same issue applies. Has anyone seen or used a case that orients the charging port on the top when in kickstand mode?
Thanks
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What about a 360 Rotating Case Cover $10.53 and in 11 colors.
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What would be awesome is a 90 degree rapid charge cable
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What would be awesome is a 90 degree rapid charge cable
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I miss the magnetic pogo plug we had for the Nexus 10.
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Tucano Youngster 10.1.
It's a universal case holding the tablet with rubber bands at the edges, which doesn't look much nice, but such is life.
The occasional app might need an app like"Rotation", which supports enforced autorotation. Then you still have the nav buttons on top, but you knew that. Fitting the tablet the wrong way allows to hold the case one-handed easily, stick the thumb thru the sling at the zipper and grab the right side of the case. This however works better with the 7" version of the case, which i also use.
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This is a major pain for me at work. I use this tablet constantly for note taking, sharing network maps, etc. The battery drains a lot during the day so I like to charge and use quite frequently. Sadly, no case that I have seen or used has the kickstand oriented so that the charging port is on top. This makes leaving it in the default kickstand orientation very clumsy for charging the tablet.
Right now I have the Moko slimline case and I love it, except for the above mentioned issue. From what I could tell watching a video review of the Book Cover case, the same issue applies. Has anyone seen or used a case that orients the charging port on the top when in kickstand mode?
Thanks
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You could order a Griffin Tablet stand that is what I use. You could get the real smart cover and turn it around in the case
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