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Resisted posting this in the Dev forum, but decided that since i'm not a Dev, It ought to stay in the Q&A for general discussion.
Could one really use this as a desktop PC running Android or is the HDMI connector doomed to a life of powerpoint presentations in corporate board rooms and showing phone-captured pics & video of the kids after vacation on the shiny HDTV?
Here's my logic, I want to be able to plug my evo into the USB/HDMI dock and have it function as a 'reasonable' machine for browsing the web and listening to music. We have root, so USB host, among other necessities shouldn't be an issue there.
Now, from the HDMI 1.4 spec, this thing ought to be capable of all of the following
Raw Bandwidth: 10.2 Gbit/s
Video: maximum resolution to 4K × 2K
Audio Formats: LPCM, Dolby Digital, DTS, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio, MPCM
Networking: HDMI Ethernet Channel, which allows for a 100 Mb/s Ethernet connection between the two HDMI connected devices;
Certainly, one would be dreaming to expect 4k x 2k video playback on this processor combination but what do you think about the HDMI Ethernet channel? With an extremely pervasive network in my home this is very interesting to me.
Maybe these features are too niche to ever actually work but the dream of a unified connector sure seems to be inching closer to reality.
bobsbobbers said:
Resisted posting this in the Dev forum, but decided that since i'm not a Dev, It ought to stay in the Q&A for general discussion.
Could one really use this as a desktop PC running Android or is the HDMI connector doomed to a life of powerpoint presentations in corporate board rooms and showing phone-captured pics & video of the kids after vacation on the shiny HDTV?
Here's my logic, I want to be able to plug my evo into the USB/HDMI dock and have it function as a 'reasonable' machine for browsing the web and listening to music. We have root, so USB host, among other necessities shouldn't be an issue there.
Now, from the HDMI 1.4 spec, this thing ought to be capable of all of the following
Raw Bandwidth: 10.2 Gbit/s
Video: maximum resolution to 4K × 2K
Audio Formats: LPCM, Dolby Digital, DTS, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio, MPCM
Networking: HDMI Ethernet Channel, which allows for a 100 Mb/s Ethernet connection between the two HDMI connected devices;
Certainly, one would be dreaming to expect 4k x 2k video playback on this processor combination but what do you think about the HDMI Ethernet channel? With an extremely pervasive network in my home this is very interesting to me.
Maybe these features are too niche to ever actually work but the dream of a unified connector sure seems to be inching closer to reality.
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Posts like this really make me appreciate just how small a world the Internet has created.
I've been hoping for the EXACT same thing as you since the first time I used my first smartphone (HTC/AT&T 3125). I said...man, this is gonna be great, I can use this to replace both my iPod AND my Game Boy. Every smartphone since, I've done that with, and inched closer to the reality of a unified device. However, there has always been the physical limitation of the screen.
Now, however, all of these phones (running Android, of course) are coming with HDMI-out, which (I would think) gives us an avenue to the larger screen. What I'm basically hoping to do is replace most of what my netbook does, with my next smartphone (EVO? Streak?), and do it on a larger display, when it is available.
In a perfect world, I would hook my device into the dock (so that I have HDMI-out, charging, and stereo speakers), and then use either a BlueTooth mouse/keyboard (not sure if the BlueTooth stack supports this type of communication), a USB mouse/keyboard (2-to-1 USB adapter into phone, hacked USB driver to facilitate input direction communication), and/or using the phone's display as an input method.
A lot of people look at me sort of oddly when I describe this but...whatever. I've seen at least a few other posts on XDA asking about display-output for the EVO via HDMI, so...I know we're not alone!
Would this maybe be better to post in the dev forum, to give developers an idea of what us non-dev-users are looking for?
^Bump. Any others have input? Will post a link over in the Dev forums to see if there is anyone else like minded...
Certainly you and I are on the same page at least.
Cyanogenmod has bluetooth hid working on the evo. I use my full size mouse and keyboard all the time but the screen is the only thing missing. They are pretty far along on being able to mirror the phone screen and I think scale it to 720p for hdtv output. If that's what you are looking for I assure you you are definitely not he only one.
daringblaze said:
Cyanogenmod has bluetooth hid working on the evo. I use my full size mouse and keyboard all the time but the screen is the only thing missing. They are pretty far along on being able to mirror the phone screen and I think scale it to 720p for hdtv output. If that's what you are looking for I assure you you are definitely not he only one.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=12050061#post12050061
hexydes said:
Would this maybe be better to post in the dev forum, to give developers an idea of what us non-dev-users are looking for?
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Still no. It'd be better to perhaps PM a developer and ask.. Starting a thread like that would only get you flamed since you aren't contributing any hard evidence, a leak, port, or half baked project. Not downing it as a bad idea, just saving you some irate posts.
bobsbobbers said:
Resisted posting this in the Dev forum, but decided that since i'm not a Dev, It ought to stay in the Q&A for general discussion.
Could one really use this as a desktop PC running Android or is the HDMI connector doomed to a life of powerpoint presentations in corporate board rooms and showing phone-captured pics & video of the kids after vacation on the shiny HDTV?
Here's my logic, I want to be able to plug my evo into the USB/HDMI dock and have it function as a 'reasonable' machine for browsing the web and listening to music. We have root, so USB host, among other necessities shouldn't be an issue there.
Now, from the HDMI 1.4 spec, this thing ought to be capable of all of the following
Raw Bandwidth: 10.2 Gbit/s
Video: maximum resolution to 4K × 2K
Audio Formats: LPCM, Dolby Digital, DTS, DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, DTS-HD Master Audio, MPCM
Networking: HDMI Ethernet Channel, which allows for a 100 Mb/s Ethernet connection between the two HDMI connected devices;
Certainly, one would be dreaming to expect 4k x 2k video playback on this processor combination but what do you think about the HDMI Ethernet channel? With an extremely pervasive network in my home this is very interesting to me.
Maybe these features are too niche to ever actually work but the dream of a unified connector sure seems to be inching closer to reality.
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I could be wrong, but I don't think the mini HDMI on the evo supports 1.4 spec. Which means it cannot do internet connection over HDMI. I am going to bet it really doesn't meet 1.3 spec either. Like I said, I could be wrong.
Brainss....
Its Micro HDMI (not mini hdmi) which is HDMI 1.4 which is compatible with the mentioned above
evo + HDMI can do a lot
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Gaming Console & Desktop configs Using the Evo and HDMI mirroring
I've been using my Evo as both since late Feb.
What about Rockplayer? I just ordered the HDMI cable so I haven't been able to mess with it. I would like to be able to stream video (jw player) and see on HDMI tv. Has anyone done this? Thx.
I've been wanting to try this forever. However I've upgraded to CM7 and they don't have the mouse pointer support, so I guess I'll have to wait to see if/when it's included. I want it, but not bad enough to downgrade to CM6. Back to rockin angry birds on the 50" Plasma.
HDMwIn + Rockplayer + Tv Shows Stream = Everything you need.
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HDMwIn + Rockplayer + Tv Shows Stream = Everything you need.
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My current setup is HDMI mirroring, Zimly, Flash plus Hulu, Gamer's and Desktop setups from my site, BT KB/Mouse and a BT gamepad. I also have a media server running Orb with two digital tuners tucked in a corner with 3TB of storage. Now that's everything you need and want, well except for Netflix. Oh yeh, and the semi perm. Evo CarPC with a BT volume control.
weehooherod said:
http://www.goodandevo.net/2011/03/htc-evo-4g-impersonates-motorola-atrix-4g-webtop.html
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That's an overview to a more complete solution that I put up (check my sig or the Evo theme/app forum.
I've used rockplayer and a website called movshare mobile.
Don't tell anyone though.
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I'm waiting for Galaxy Tab 10.1 to be released in order to buy one, but I need to know is there any idea if there is a VGA adapter to connect it to TV via VGA and display presentations on TV. I know that there is HDMI Adapter, but for iPAD2 there is a VGA adapter.
I really appreciates your help
AlienGhost said:
I know that there is HDMI Adapter
I really appreciates your help
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You could get an HDMI > DVI adaptor then use a DVI > VGA adaptor.
RaindancerAU said:
You could get an HDMI > DVI adaptor then use a DVI > VGA adaptor.
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Im not sure that would work.
There are (at least) 2 specs for DVI - DVI-A (Analogue) and DVI-D (Digital) .
HDMI > DVI-D is possible, but AFAIK, HDMI > DVI-A is not, since the output device (your Tab) would need to support analogue signals. For the same reason, you wouldn't be able use a HDMI > VGA adapter.
Im almost certain that the tab does not support analogue timings but you never know.
If it's for work and you're not spending your own money, see if they will buy a converter box for "all those people" who need to use it That's the only way to be sure it will work.
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Im almost certain that the tab does not support analogue timings but you never know.
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There already exists a cable that plugs into the Samsung proprietary port that outputs an analogue signal through a composite video connector (and stereo RCA plugs for audio). Samsung reps have confirmed that this cable, released for the original Galaxy Tab, will work 100% with the 10.1v and 10.1 (by implication probably the 8.9 too).
Composite to VGA won't work as it has different timings.
Best you can do is something that converts HDMI to VGA by some integrated solution, e.g., HDfury - HDMI to VGA cable, see their forum. Unfortunately you need another extra adaptor to fit the propriatory Galaxy connector. Plus extra power supply for the HDfury (and probably for the Galaxy Tab as well).
This is a deal breaker for all teachers and students that often have to show their content over VGA beamer. Bummer.
@pibach -> thanks for your input, clear, concise and accurate.
I'm on the market for a 10"/HC tablet that has "native" VGA output capability (as in dock connector<->VGA) that would not require an external/powered adapter.
Anyone knows of such rarity?
I have a tattoo/Click, Desire, Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab, so I'm totally addicted to Android. But failing this basic pre-requisite for Corporate environment is a fail in my book and would force me to put my money on the iPad2 despite the shortcomings(including the no-jailbreak current status). Don't get me wrong, I have no trolling intention: I have simple business needs that must be met...
So if you know of any such HC tablet, please let us know.
Cheers,
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@pibach -> thanks for your input, clear, concise and accurate.
I'm on the market for a 10"/HC tablet that has "native" VGA output capability (as in dock connector<->VGA) that would not require an external/powered adapter.
Anyone knows of such rarity?
I have a tattoo/Click, Desire, Galaxy S and Galaxy Tab, so I'm totally addicted to Android. But failing this basic pre-requisite for Corporate environment is a fail in my book and would force me to put my money on the iPad2 despite the shortcomings(including the no-jailbreak current status). Don't get me wrong, I have no trolling intention: I have simple business needs that must be met...
So if you know of any such HC tablet, please let us know.
Cheers,
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And you are not the only one. I'm getting 10.1v tomorrow, and hoping that there will be VGA adapter available one day. But for time being HDMI will do.
I just bought one too and I'm really pissed off there's no way to use it for work
even the ipad can output vga :S
i was able to get "something" using HP's hdmi -> vga adapter
Unfortunately, green was missing. Could have been the cable provided locally. If someone is successful in connecting to a VGA projector, let me know.
[Even with proper colors, the need for two dongles and AC power make the GT unsuitable for presentations.]
Anyone knows if Samsung or a 3rd party is working on something?
i'd really like to know that too...
hdmi to vga adaptors
check out HDFURY, expensive but probably good quality
I ended up taking a risk buying a $40 one from chinabuye @ chinabuye.com/hdmi-to-vga-and-3-5mm-audio-converter
works fine, been using it to connect my media player to a comp monitor.
hi guys,
can anyone confirm that there is no official/unofficial available vga adapter for the gtab 10.1?
options that I have seen are those that typically require a separate power supply, which defeats the purpose of having a tablet for mobility purposes.
appreciate any advice!!
unfortunately no, and it doesn't seem samsung is working on it :/
ceminino said:
unfortunately no, and it doesn't seem samsung is working on it :/
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wow.....that sucks.....
this really eliminates the Gtab 10.1 as a useful work/office companion since most enterprises still use vga projectors.....
thanks for the help...cheers.
exactly, I was planning to use it for presentations :/
Did anyone tried this adapter?
http://www.shopping.hp.com/product/computer/categories/cables/1/accessories/NP031AA%23ABA
It seems it doesnt have a power source, it would be portable enough if it was the case
Yes. I could get something on the projector. Colors were off. I didn't have the time to check all connections. But even if it were working, having to rely on AC to power the HDMI dongle makes little sense.
In a pinch, you may want to use http://app.mightymeeting.com/index.html . You'll need a local machine and decent internet connectivity, but you gain mobility in the room and might score wow-points. They have an android app but it doesn't work on honeycomb. You have to start the meeting through their website.
In real life it remains a risky proposition. I could get away with it (I teach. Easy to switch to local machine if something goes wrong), but would never rely on such setup for a conference or other high stakes presentation. I now routinely use mightymeeting with an iPad. MM can save a local version of the presentation file. Never failed. Extremely convenient.
Are there any decent projectors for smartphones?
Sidenote: I just saw Samsung coming out with the Galaxy Beam which was designed for travelers and business professionals where the projector was built into the smartphone.
Never seen a mini projector with HDMI input so you a bit stuffed without that, unless someone can confirm the VGA MHL cables work on S3.
Hi,
I have tested Z1C with both Miracast dongle and MHL cable.
MHL cable is so called 5 PIN cable. The same one that works with Galaxy S2 and HTC One X.
MHL Cable works just fine.
I have also tested Miracast dongle (iPazzport). It connects slowly in Miracast mode. Screen and sound gets transferred to TV very slowly. It is basically unusable. The same dongle works just fine with Asus HD7 tablet.
DLNA mode is not usable either for video. At least not for HD content. It can be used for sound transfer. But it has minor problems also with sound only connections. I have tested with the same iPazzport HDMI dongle and WD HDTV Live box.
Please share your experience.
how is the lag for mhl? i heard some phones get quite a bit of lag.
also, what mhl adapter u use?
Gjole86 said:
how is the lag for mhl? i heard some phones get quite a bit of lag.
also, what mhl adapter u use?
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There is definitely some lag with MHL. I can only express my gut feeling. 50-100 ms, I guess. Is there any good way to measure it?
I am using this adapter:
www.ebay.com/itm/310855110310
I ordered http://www.amazon.com/Decrescent-Adapter-Samsung-Galaxy-Smartphones/dp/B00I5J6WVY
but it will take 2 weeks more to come.
I plan to order the PS3 controller too for gaming on screen, but not sure how it will be with the lag. also not sure if these cheap ps3 controllers will work or i need the original ps3 controller. for wireless of course, not planing to use wired controllers. maybe xbox wireless can work too. testing to come.
For measuring it, the best method is to start the stopwatch and record the TV and the phone's screen with some point and shoot camera, just stop the video later after 10 seconds for example and see the difference between the times.
at least thats what i read around the net ..
MHL lag.
First, tested using timer app in phone. Took pictures containing both mobile and plasma screen.
Out of 13 shots:
0.1 s delay - 9 times
0.2 s delay - 2 times
All the rest, 1 shot had 0.1-0.3 s delay (between TV frames), another had 0 - 0.2 s delay (between TV frames again).
Second test.Used http://vimeo.com/12505989 test video.
My laptop (connected through display port->HDMI) was 100% in sync. Z1C was 2-3 frames late (on 24 fps video).
I would say, it is about 120 ms delay. And it is huge for a cable connection IMHO.
Shame, Sony, shame!!!
My other phone Galaxy S Advance did much better job with DLNA sharing.
Which means that there must be a problem with WiFi (either HW or SW).
I am really disappointed. Way too many problems with a device that was meant to be almost a flagship. I wonder if all those problems also exist with Z1 older brother as well. Or did Sony cut some corners again...
Anyone who could explain why it's necessary to switch wifi off then on again when you activate media sharing (DLNA)?
Say you sit at home, your wifi is on ofc and you like to send a pic or a track to your AVR or TV, then why does it say "please turn on wifi" when you activate media sharing...
Gjole86 said:
I ordered http://www.amazon.com/Decrescent-Adapter-Samsung-Galaxy-Smartphones/dp/B00I5J6WVY
but it will take 2 weeks more to come.
I plan to order the PS3 controller too for gaming on screen, but not sure how it will be with the lag. also not sure if these cheap ps3 controllers will work or i need the original ps3 controller. for wireless of course, not planing to use wired controllers. maybe xbox wireless can work too. testing to come.
For measuring it, the best method is to start the stopwatch and record the TV and the phone's screen with some point and shoot camera, just stop the video later after 10 seconds for example and see the difference between the times.
at least thats what i read around the net ..
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Official ps3 controller works great for wireless gaming through mhl, i also dont seem to suffer from any lagging? (gaming,streaming etc)
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How about mirror op sender?
Has anyone tried mirror op sender & mirror op presenter on the xperia z1 compact? Seems rather fast just no audio.
Hi. Should it work with any device that has a HDMI input or it has to be with MHL support. Bought Mhl cable from eBay, phone opens Tv launcher but Nothing comes on TV.
got this jus USD3 .working well http://www.ebay.com/sch/sis.html?_k...HTC+EVO+Galaxy+S2+i9000+DJNP&_id=380898940150
MIRROR CAST is crap my lg tv has inbuilt receiver. I was soo ashamed at LG showroom when my expensive Z1c was dropping frames etc while not so expensive LG androids mirror casting really good.I hate sony for there crappy WI Fi chips
Hi All.
I've got a passive mhl cable (no external power needed), this: http://www.delock.de/produkte/G_83297/merkmale.html?setLanguage=un
What should I do with it to use with my Z1C? I connected them, but nothing on the tv screen . I missed something?
Thanks
My Pixel 6 Pro does not connect to an external monitor via UBC-C to HDMI cable (hope it's not an issue of my specific device). The video signal just doesn't transfer, and I get a black screen on the second monitor. I tried having a look at the dev settings but there seem not to be an option to enable/disable the feature, only to resize windows etc. Any tips?
(The cable worked fine with my previous Oneplus phone and with my friend's Samsung device)
Thanks so much in advance!
Alex-Absolute said:
My Pixel 6 Pro does not connect to an external monitor via UBC-C to HDMI cable (hope it's not an issue of my specific device). The video signal just doesn't transfer, and I get a black screen on the second monitor. I tried having a look at the dev settings but there seem not to be an option to enable/disable the feature, only to resize windows etc. Any tips?
(The cable worked fine with my previous Oneplus phone and with my friend's Samsung device)
Thanks so much in advance!
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You would need a DisplayLink dongle and the DisplayLink app, this is the only method to do video out on a Pixel
Project your Pixel phone's screen - Pixel Phone Help
If you have a Chromecast or other device that casts, you can mirror your Pixel phone's screen and audio on
support.google.com
Good to know about DisplayLink dongle and the DisplayLink app! Cheers
Thanks very much for your reply! I'm looking for some of these adaptors on Amazon (UK), but they don't directly specify 'DisplayLink', quite annoying...
I have been looking for a way to reimplement, Miracast compatibility allowing you to cast to any smart device. If anyone is interested in helping please DM me help would be appreciated
ne0ns4l4m4nder said:
I have been looking for a way to reimplement, Miracast compatibility allowing you to cast to any smart device. If anyone is interested in helping please DM me help would be appreciated
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That's a great idea. Is miracast hardware built into the phone or just a software WiFi stack? I would like to Miracast from the pixel 6 pro.
GivIn2It said:
That's a great idea. Is miracast hardware built into the phone or just a software WiFi stack? I would like to Miracast from the pixel 6 pro.
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It's software that relies on WiFi Direct. However Google practically pulled all Miracast support from Android in favour of Chromecast, so it will be quite the job to reimplement it even with a custom ROM.
I just want to vent regarding the lack of HDMI capabilities of the pixel 6 pro. I wanted to buy one of these to replace my landline. I wanted to display it via an HDMI dongle on my 4k tv, one with an ethernet port so I could use it as a hotspot/router and root it for call recording. It turns out that to do that, you have to purchase a special display link adapter (expensive) and you are limited to 1080p. So instead I purchased an inexpensive Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G. I ran it through an inexpensive hub that has HDMI and ethernet out. It has 3 usb 3.0 ports and I use one with a mouse. The freaking setup works like a computer, it is just slick. IT PUTS OUT 4K 30HZ RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. The pixel 6 pro has a few advantages like its on hold software and rootability. But the Samsung absoulutely smashes it when it comes to HDMI affordability. And don't even mention chromecast, it won't ethernet properly and wont do 4k. Chromecast is a joke, just buy a Samsung for HDMI. I don't intend to buy another pixel unless they change their HDMI situation.
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I just want to vent regarding the lack of HDMI capabilities of the pixel 6 pro. I wanted to buy one of these to replace my landline. I wanted to display it via an HDMI dongle on my 4k tv, one with an ethernet port so I could use it as a hotspot/router and root it for call recording. It turns out that to do that, you have to purchase a special display link adapter (expensive) and you are limited to 1080p. So instead I purchased an inexpensive Samsung Galaxy S20 FE 5G. I ran it through an inexpensive hub that has HDMI and ethernet out. It has 3 usb 3.0 ports and I use one with a mouse. The freaking setup works like a computer, it is just slick. IT PUTS OUT 4K 30HZ RIGHT OUT OF THE BOX. The pixel 6 pro has a few advantages like its on hold software and rootability. But the Samsung absoulutely smashes it when it comes to HDMI affordability. And don't even mention chromecast, it won't ethernet properly and wont do 4k. Chromecast is a joke, just buy a Samsung for HDMI. I don't intend to buy another pixel unless they change their HDMI situation.
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If you read the product page, you would've realised that the Pixel series has NEVER supported USB DisplayPort Alt Mode (which is what you'd need for direct HDMI connection), and DisplayLink is the only option.
You also don't have to buy the expensive adapters, there are DisplayLink HDMI adapters that cost only $30-ish.
You're also not limited to 1080p only, as there are 4K DisplayLink adapters (albeit more expensive).
You're also complaining about a $800+ phone you want to use as a LANDLINE, needing a $30-80 adapter to work with a TV.
@GivIn2It It's just a theory of mine for a long time, but I'll repeat it. I suspect (no evidence other than what's publicly known about Pixels versus Samsungs) that Google has a contract with Samsung where Samsung sells Google parts and/or manufacturing prowess for the Pixels, or sells them at a only mildly expensive price, in exchange for Google agreeing to not make the Pixels "too" competitive with Samsungs.
Of course, this idea of mine held more weight before Samsung started to make MicroSD slots rare or even just non-existent on their flagship devices (they keep them on the cheaper devices since cheaper devices commonly hardly include any significant internal storage space), but I think it's still a possibility. Who knows, though, I'm just guessing.
Google does depend on Samsung, so Samsung has all the weight to throw around.
I also cannot stand Samsung's Android implementation (up through and including the Note 10+). Hardware absolutely great. Software gets a 2 out of 10 from me.
fonix232 said:
If you read the product page, you would've realised that the Pixel series has NEVER supported USB DisplayPort Alt Mode (which is what you'd need for direct HDMI connection), and DisplayLink is the only option.
You also don't have to buy the expensive adapters, there are DisplayLink HDMI adapters that cost only $30-ish.
You're also not limited to 1080p only, as there are 4K DisplayLink adapters (albeit more expensive).
You're also complaining about a $800+ phone you want to use as a LANDLINE, needing a $30-80 adapter to work with a TV.
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I maintain that DisplayLink is overpriced BS. I would not consider anything not capable of 4k, all my monitors are 4k. Any phone I purchase will likely cost at least $800+, but why should I throw money away on accessories that are equally functional and way cheaper on alternate hardware? Google needs to listen, more people are using their phones on Hdmi. Wifi is finicky and unreliable, a cable is solid and trustworthy. And I don't have time to read everyone's stinking fine print on their product page. That info is well buried. I like stuff that just works, and works well, like my Samsung setup. I can't find anything on this pixel that will reliably put its screen on my tv, anydesk, teamviewer, chromecast, all fail regularly, and are low res too boot.