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I posted a question on the Modaco forum, but it was a complete waste of time as nobody replied!
I'd like to know if anyone has used the online kitchen on the Modaco website and if it is worth paying the 10USD to cook you own rom with the ingredients you'd like to have.
In other words. Pros and cons?
Thanks for any help
Astro
Moved to Q&A as not development.
you can see what the kitchen offers without paying, try mcr and if you like the rom and want the additions pay for it....
I was using the R8 ROM, I'd say it was well worth it. It's as close to stock as you can get, looks-wise. And the kitchen comes with a few nice little features you can have cooked in.
astrovale said:
I posted a question on the Modaco forum, but it was a complete waste of time as nobody replied!
I'd like to know if anyone has used the online kitchen on the Modaco website and if it is worth paying the 10USD to cook you own rom with the ingredients you'd like to have.
In other words. Pros and cons?
Thanks for any help
Astro
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I'm no cook, so what I tend to do is find a ROM someone else has been good enough to create and share and simply add/remove the app files I want/don't want. It's really quite easy, and you can pretty much customise everything by swapping and changing the programs......
Having said that tho, a $10 donation to Paul at MoDaCo is worthy for all of the work he has done in the past on our devices.
Thank you all guys for the advice.
@cr1960: you're correct: 10USD is a little price to pay for all the work done!
Astro
$10 is alot to pay for something when similar things are available for free.
Lots of other people do more work that 'paul' and don't ask for a fee.
And its not a donation. Its a fee disguised as a donation.
£10 for a year is a bargain in my book, although I do what cr1960 does and get a ROM and tweak it to my liking...
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£10 for a year is a bargain in my book, although I do what cr1960 does and get a ROM and tweak it to my liking...
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I'd love to be able to do the same, but I don't have the skills required, so I must rely on the kindness of strangers
Joking apart, I wish I could find a way to cook my own rom just adding the ingredients I think are necessary and some of the simply pleasant ones, but all the "kitchens" I've found where either too difficult for me to use, or required knowledge of Linux, or were simply not working
Ciao all
Astro
I would definately pay if I knew there was some kind of commitment from Paul. As it is now it's a one man show and if Paul decides that the new HTC devices are more interesting there might not be any future updates. I say "might" since I don't know, but I would like to know that the new Sense and future updates will be included in the kitchen (at least one year from the Desire release date).
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I'd love to be able to do the same, but I don't have the skills required, so I must rely on the kindness of strangers
Joking apart, I wish I could find a way to cook my own rom just adding the ingredients I think are necessary and some of the simply pleasant ones, but all the "kitchens" I've found where either too difficult for me to use, or required knowledge of Linux, or were simply not working
Ciao all
Astro
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Don't need a kitchen, just unzip the ROM and remove the APKs you don't want from the /system/app folder and add ones you do to the same folder (or /data/app if you want them to be removable in future). I do this all the time to remove a load of widgets I don't use and to add my 'normal' apps.
Then just rezip the ROM and either sign it using the signing package on here (somewhere) or flash it with signature checking turned off in your custom recovery
mercianary said:
$10 is alot to pay for something when similar things are available for free.
Lots of other people do more work that 'paul' and don't ask for a fee.
And its not a donation. Its a fee disguised as a donation.
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Fine then don't pay - that's your choice!
However, no one ever said it was a donation. It is a fee to get ad-free access to the MoDaCo website, and one of the benefits of that is to gain access to the MoDaCo kitchens.
My local pub has a sign up that says that their toilets are for customer use only - does that mean I'm paying to use them?
Just because you get a perk when you pay for something else doesn't mean you are paying for that perk!
As to the amount of work that Paul does, I think that speaks for itself! Paul is pretty much at the forefront of the rooting effort for almost all new HTC Android devices!
Regards,
Dave
I stand corrected, haven't looked at mocaco for a long time. It says support not donate.
But I still don't like it. No one pays the fee to get rid of the ads, people pay the fee to get access to the kitchen. It would be like going to your pub and paying to use the toilet and getting a free beer.
I don't believe 'paul' is a real person, I believe that 'paul' is a group of people working for modaco for the soul purpose of getting people to support the site. People are more likely to donate, sorry, support a person who most idolize rather than a support faceless business.
Its just the impression I got when I was looking through the site when I first rooted my phone. I don't believe any 1 person can be that helpfull with that many devices, Paul must spend all day everyday working on these phones (working being the operative word here,ie a job), and they aren't exactly cheap (support).
My point is I'd rather be in a community where people do work on these devices because its what they love, not as a means to line their own pockets.
I'm not accusing anyone of anything here, its just my oppinion, a conspiracy theory, I have no proof of any of this.
Seeing as he's not updated the Desire forum in weeks would suggest he is hard at work on other projects - and he goes to press releases and probably gets phones free as demo units
Sometimes a church will have a car free car wash and accept donations, but whith some of these apps on the market , the "donation" is required before you can download the app.
Why do they use these misleading terms. Is it because they don't have a biz tax id? Just curious.
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Sometimes a church will have a car free car wash and accept donations, but whith some of these apps on the market , the "donation" is required before you can download the app.
Why do they use these misleading terms. Is it because they don't have a biz tax id? Just curious.
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You work for the IRS?
I know with a few apps you can get them free either in the forums or from the person's webside. They usually just ask if you like their app you can make a donation by going to the market
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Most of them have a free version and a donate version. Usually the free versions have ads and the donate versions don't, or the donate versions have some additional features. I don't see anything wrong with this at all.
Most ROM developers ask for donations, but you can still get their ROMs for free. I don't see anything wrong with this either.
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You work for the IRS?
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I doubt he works for the IRS, but I think that does bring up an important issue. Anyone that is taking donations would be wise to keep track of how much money they are making from donations, and should be reporting it as income when they file their taxes. They could find themselves in trouble with the IRS if they don't report it. It would be pretty easy for the IRS to find this income since it's all done with Paypal or other electronic payment methods. Not to mention it's just the right thing to do. As a fellow taxpayer, I wouldn't be too happy if developers weren't paying their fair share of taxes on this income.
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Most of them have a free version and a donate version. Usually the free versions have ads and the donate versions don't, or the donate versions have some additional features. I don't see anything wrong with this at all.
Most ROM developers ask for donations, but you can still get their ROMs for free. I don't see anything wrong with this either.
I doubt he works for the IRS, but I think that does bring up an important issue. Anyone that is taking donations would be wise to keep track of how much money they are making from donations, and should be reporting it as income when they file their taxes. They could find themselves in trouble with the IRS if they don't report it. It would be pretty easy for the IRS to find this income since it's all done with Paypal or other electronic payment methods. Not to mention it's just the right thing to do. As a fellow taxpayer, I wouldn't be too happy if developers weren't paying their fair share of taxes on this income.
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I doubt the vast majority of people who receive donations actually report them lol
I was just curious. I am a small business owner and I have learned the hard way that when you put something together and present it to the public you need to be very precise with your wording.
The word donation to me means: when our local vfw has a donations based .....say ...breakfast, you can pay nothing, or as much as you want.
But if they require a donation, is it really a donation? Or has it become commercialized when the donation is required. It sounds more like a trade, your money for my stuff and this is taxable.
I really don't care, but I guess my mind just picks things apart until everyone wants to kick my ass, lol. But I bet this terminology doesn't last long, atleast not in the given context.
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It's all about terminology, and while to some extent it doesn't matter, to another extent it still does. I think if a donation is required to unlock any functionality, then it's not really a donation. *Asking* for a donation doesn't make it a commercial app though. It's a question of whether it's required to use it. Basically if you're giving it away for free, and saying "hey, if you want to support what I do, throw me a few bucks," that's a donation.
There's nothing wrong with asking to be paid for your work. There's also nothing wrong with demanding to be paid for your work. No dev needs to apologize for choosing to make their app -- or some functionality within it -- available at a price, and they shouldn't try to make it sound better by calling it a donation.
I don't think calling it a donation affects IRS rules at all. No matter what you call it, you're supposed to report it. I'm not judging you if you don't. But developers are no charity, and calling it a donation doesn't make it exempt. Hell, even drug dealers are supposed to report their income on Form 1040, line 21, or schedule C. (I am not making that up.)
The presumption is those that are asking for donations are doing so simply to bring a ROM and/or app to market. Those app and ROM developers can incur significant costs in doing so, but typically the primary focus is the development process and open source community-not financial gain.
The developers that are asking for donations spend a significant amount of effort on products that we use here within XDA and the Market.
I do not see our appreciation in the various forums here as commensurate to their efforts: In my opinion, donations from time to time are a more proper gesture.
I have a little bit of legal experience in this area. For a donation to be, legally, a donation, it must be made with no material benefit expected in return.
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for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
meccaandroid said:
for sure you have heard about the new "XDA Developers' Android Hacker's Toolkit"
It is certainly a good idea to regroup all the forums method inside a book,wrote by hackers and geek.
the only thing I think is strange is that XDA focused on idea sharing and hacker philosopy.
So why do we have to pay for this book? It should be free, because it is not "original", all of us in some way wrote it...I don't want to pay it not because i don't want to spend money, but because I think it should respect the hacker philosopy.
what do you think?
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I think that XDA provide us with a great place to come and learn and share our knowledge. In order to achive this their is going to be costs and if they can make some extra money from selling a book. To then use the said money to make this service even better, i can only see it as a good thing. Also a lot of people find it easier to read from a book than a computer screen.
Edit - I have just read the portal artical, and all the profits are going to the EFF, although the money is not going directly into XDA, it will directly help and benifit XDA, as they have done in the past.
All revenue earned through purchases of the book on Amazon will be donated to the EFF, which has given assistance to members of our community in the past. It’s available in both physical and eBook formats. Without further ado, here’s where you can get it right now:
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Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
conantroutman said:
Profits go to a good cause.
Don't want to pay, just read the forums instead.
Simple.
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Yes the profits are going to a very good cause. And to be honest with you I don't have any problem spending the $23 USD plus tax for the book. I really don't see why anyone would have a problem with it. But you just can not please all of the people no matter how hard you try.
I ordered mine in October, 2011. After many delays (like the Galaxy S3) I received my copy from amazon on Tuesday. I will use this weekend to read it. Learn some pointers.
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, another good reason to go to the portal besides when the forums are down for maintenance.
svetius said:
As mentioned, profits from Amazon sales are donated to EFF.
All other profits (as anyone knows that has worked with a publisher), will be minuscule. We didn't do this to earn revenue, but to give people a great way to learn about Android development.
Keep on eye on the Portal...we'll be giving away a batch of free copies in the near future.
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Thanks for the tip, i will keep an eye out for that, stay at home dad = Poor
Good things come at a price..'nuff said.
Hello everyone,
There is a known issue that most cloud share sites like dropbox and box.net loose sharing due to bandwidth allocation issues.. with that said, I have a offer for you if you need to share development files here.
I am a technology solutions provider for the whole region where I live, (in the united states) and I offer you my personal site http://hazard1nc.com it has limited bandwidth for now, but the more people sign up for accounts using my link provided in the first post on my site, you will notice that it says it will give me more features, theses features include bandwidth and more storage, its my dream ultimately to self host but due to new baby being born and taking care of 6 people hinder such dreams for now.
So if you need storage and bandwidth, I rarely use my site as I'm busy running my business and being a family man, if I can help out with this, I'd be happy to do so! So thanks for reading and I hope that this can help you.
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Are you offering housing space for development?
I am offering a place to share, I don't have much to offer in terms of anyway to have a CVS repo or anything, but I am offering a place to put your final test projects for members both here and there to test on. If it was self hosted (money issues) I'd offer what more I could.
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Hell if you can make the site work for development purposes and give me feedback on plugins and such that I should add, I'd be happy to listen.
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I am offering a place to share, I don't have much to offer in terms of anyway to have a CVS repo or anything, but I am offering a place to put your final test projects for members both here and there to test on. If it was self hosted (money issues) I'd offer what more I could.
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If it's a money making site then I'm afraid that isn't allowed here on XDA.
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Its not about making money, I am doing it out of the kindness of my heart and funding it myself. I just said that I don't have the funds currently.
I won't turn away donations, the site itself was just a way to share my tech interests with my local community freely offering tips and tricks for their computer needs as I am the only technology consultant around for 100 miles.
In reality, I just don't have time, I was going to post my local services on a page but if that makes it bad for helping people here then I won't
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hazard1nc said:
Its not about making money, I am doing it out of the kindness of my heart and funding it myself. I just said that I don't have the funds currently.
I won't turn away donations, the site itself was just a way to share my tech interests with my local community freely offering tips and tricks for their computer needs as I am the only technology consultant around for 100 miles.
In reality, I just don't have time, I was going to post my local services on a page but if that makes it bad for helping people here then I won't
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Would you happen to be able to give Team Aurora (ItsMeBdon, Shawn, me) a part of your site where we can upload? We're nearing our Dropbox limit and don't really have any other options :|
Thanks!
I kinda jumped before looking, id be happy to assist but my host caps uploads at 8mb if you can keep it in that range I'd be happy to, I'm looking for another host and might have found one, keep in touch with me and I will do my best. I gotta make sure they don't cap my uploads to the server but I'd be happy to once I get the right host
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Aquethys said:
Would you happen to be able to give Team Aurora (ItsMeBdon, Shawn, me) a part of your site where we can upload? We're nearing our Dropbox limit and don't really have any other options :|
Thanks!
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As far as that goes, there are many hosts out there, I'll compile a list if you want, I am a tech consultant and solutions provider so its in my nature to do this just gimme a few or let me figure out my upload limitations I will get this all sorted and once done we will be in business
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Okay guys I'm sorry it took me so long, I found a new host but can't take my domain with just yet to it.. not going into details why, but if you want me to host your projects, I will be happy to do so.
I am also surprised that none of you share bigger files like roms and such on bittorrent.. would seem more ideal to share this way and its more safe as it uses hashes to piece the app back together.. anyways that's not the point.
I have a list of numerous different share sites and cloud technologies on this page here.
Most note worthy of the cloud servers would have to be ADrive.com giving away 50gb storage for free for banners, and as long as you set your hosts files just right, you don't even see a single banner or ad, I haven't yet anyways.
I just hope that this helps everyone who working on these projects and I will do my best to keep these site lists current for you and add more as we go along.
I am just sorry it took me so long to get setup, my wife about to give birth any day now, my 4th and its been mad hectic with work and steess, but the site is down right now on the new host and will be for a couple weeks.
Thank you all for being patient and I will get this going for you, I'll put up polls and such so you can help me make the site better for your needs in this way..
Anyways, busy times for me ahead,will try to pop in when I can yo test for those who need a tester, but gonna be hectic more so for a few months, will keep updated on the sites progress and will need some help testing that when able, sign up for that when its more close to the end, maybe a couple weeks more, at the latest.
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Honestly, I'm very glad that people don't host their roms via bittorrent, as it's a nightmare for anyone who's looking to snag something for an older phone. I often find myself in possession of old android hardware, and I repurpose them for VoIP phones or other misc. With older hardware, it's often unbearably slow on the official rom, and the best solution is to track down something custom.
I just spent like 4 hours tracking down a rom for the Huawei Ascend M860, over half of the links were dead, and an entire site where a large portion of the development took place had folded because of the age of the device. With torrents, it's easy for something less popular like an older device to lose what few seeds it had, while a reliable mirror site will at least be up for reasonable amount of time.
At the moment I’m finishing my first set of Zooper widgets with clock elements and weather forecast elements. I'd like to deploy them thru the Play store and so I have to choose to make them free or paid. I'd like to continue making widgets for Zooper and it would be great if I can earn some money with it...
So, are there some written or unwritten guidelines when to publish for free or when to publish a paid extension?
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At the moment I’m finishing my first set of Zooper widgets with clock elements and weather forecast elements. I'd like to deploy them thru the Play store and so I have to choose to make them free or paid. I'd like to continue making widgets for Zooper and it would be great if I can earn some money with it...
So, are there some written or unwritten guidelines when to publish for free or when to publish a paid extension?
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This thread should bring you up to speed on the process: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594973
Why all free?
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This thread should bring you up to speed on the process: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2594973
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Thanks Kwerdenker. I already did some testing using the guide from the Zooper website, and I had success but unpublished the app (It was only for testing and finding out the process).
I see that you have all your widgets (which are very nice!) free online. What's your reason to post them free?
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Thanks Kwerdenker. I already did some testing using the guide from the Zooper website, and I had success but unpublished the app (It was only for testing and finding out the process).
I see that you have all your widgets (which are very nice!) free online. What's your reason to post them free?
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The main three reasons:
1) I do this as a hobby. I have fun doing it and will do it, even if no one pays me.
2) If you are selling stuff on the Play Store, you are responsible for paying the appropriate taxes. You also have to deal with tax laws in each country you sell your app/widget in. For the amount of money I could make of this after Play Store cut and taxes, the additional workload is just too high.
3) I have a good paying job and thus I'm not dependent on additional funds.
I give most of mine away because of the encryption bug for jelly bean. I sell a few. Been working hard on trying to smash that bug. Bunch of us Zooper devs have. I make enough usually to pay my $55 a month aio/straight talk bill. Really I do it for fun. I work full time and i use it as an excuse to play on my phone. (I'm almost 40!)
Google plus has a ton of Zooper discussion and communities. Come check us out. http://plus.google.com/+MatthewScott
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The main three reasons:
1) I do this as a hobby. I have fun doing it and will do it, even if no one pays me.
2) If you are selling stuff on the Play Store, you are responsible for paying the appropriate taxes. You also have to deal with tax laws in each country you sell your app/widget in. For the amount of money I could make of this after Play Store cut and taxes, the additional workload is just too high.
3) I have a good paying job and thus I'm not dependent on additional funds.
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Thanks for your explanation. I’ve read some about the tax issues and that is indeed a good reason not to sell Too bad Google does not handle these taxes their selves and is every small developer by law obligated to know the law in every country he sells.
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I give most of mine away because of the encryption bug for jelly bean. I sell a few. Been working hard on trying to smash that bug. Bunch of us Zooper devs have. I make enough usually to pay my $55 a month aio/straight talk bill. Really I do it for fun. I work full time and i use it as an excuse to play on my phone. (I'm almost 40!)
Google plus has a ton of Zooper discussion and communities. Come check us out. http://plus.google.com/+MatthewScott
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Hey Scott, I already saw your widgets/site/G+-page which were a reason for me to open this topic. Because you have some nice work :good: in the store I was wondering why most of the widgets are for free. Thanks for your reply!
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Hey Scott, I already saw your widgets/site/G+-page which were a reason for me to open this topic. Because you have some nice work :good: in the store I was wondering why most of the widgets are for free. Thanks for your reply!
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Thanks man! Always love getting compliments.
If I can help you with anything send me a message on Hangouts.
edit: The taxes don't bother me at all. Google takes 30% off the top which is what does bother me. But without Google where would we be? Surely wouldn't have Android.