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Should I buy the One or no?

Hey guys,
I have an S4 and am about to sell it for the One. I heard they already patched the unlock work around... is this true? Can anyone link me to a thread with details?
Thanks in advance
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I have the s4 right now too and I'm still getting the one regardless of the unlock hack. Feel like this phone is gonna break in my hand. I'll be getting the one on Thursday so hopefully by then someone will have figures it out

The One is by far the best phone I've ever owned. Period. That's all I've got to say.
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The bootloader is locked. HTC Dev Unlock was shut down by VZW. The only hope now is a hack.
Here's the link to the thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2416002

thepolishguy said:
The bootloader is locked. HTC Dev Unlock was shut down by VZW. The only hope now is a hack.
Here's the link to the thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2416002
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Thank you for the answer... now I'll wait in hopes of an unlock.
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I have both at the moment, but need to ditch one of them. Problem is there are great things about both, and they're very different experiences. My main thing is the camera. The S4 can take some incredible pictures... the One is solid and fast, but a lot more inconsistent than the S4. The S4 also allows me to say "cheese", "capture", "shoot", to get it to auto-focus and snap a shot - which comes in handier a lot more often than I thought. The One also doesn't quite match up with battery life, but that makes sense given the smaller battery.
First world problems...

jntdroid said:
I have both at the moment, but need to ditch one of them. Problem is there are great things about both, and they're very different experiences. My main thing is the camera. The S4 can take some incredible pictures... the One is solid and fast, but a lot more inconsistent than the S4. The S4 also allows me to say "cheese", "capture", "shoot", to get it to auto-focus and snap a shot - which comes in handier a lot more often than I thought. The One also doesn't quite match up with battery life, but that makes sense given the smaller battery.
First world problems...
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LOL! Right! I have been reading and debating for weeks and I feel no closer...The Camera is the most important feature for me as I am a crazy shutterbug, but that build quality on the One is so nice...I want the One to have the better camera and an SD card slot damn it! Stupid people at HTC!

also have s3/s4 +htc one.
hard to say which i like better.
but if htc one get s-off, ill ditch the s4 as I don't think it'll ever be unlocked..

andybones said:
also have s3/s4 +htc one.
hard to say which i like better.
but if htc one get s-off, ill ditch the s4 as I don't think it'll ever be unlocked..
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Are you stuck on ME7? The S4 I bought a week ago had a bad button - it came out of the box with ME7. However, in store yesterday they just grabbed one out of another box brand new to swap out, and it's on MDK. Since the One is locked up for now, and the S4 I have now can theoretically stay that way as long as someone (like yourself ) continues providing stock/rooted ROMs, correct? Making the decision even tougher... that, and as much as I like the speed and quality of the One's camera, the S4 can simply take some amazing shots... S4 also seems to get better battery life, but the One's UI is smoother/snappier.
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I'm wavering back and forth myself between getting the One and selling my S3. Aside from build, I personally feel the quality of Sense all the way through is far superior to TouchWiz. I think with the camera is 50/50 because I've had some great shots on my S3 but I've also had some horrible shots; interestingly enough, now that I think about it my first S3 had a horrible camera but the CLN I got takes much better photos.
Anyway, for me even if the battery life is so-so on the One I think fit-and-finish will still win out on me if I go through with it.
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jntdroid said:
Are you stuck on ME7? The S4 I bought a week ago had a bad button - it came out of the box with ME7. However, in store yesterday they just grabbed one out of another box brand new to swap out, and it's on MDK. Since the One is locked up for now, and the S4 I have now can theoretically stay that way as long as someone (like yourself ) continues providing stock/rooted ROMs, correct? Making the decision even tougher... that, and as much as I like the speed and quality of the One's camera, the S4 can simply take some amazing shots... S4 also seems to get better battery life, but the One's UI is smoother/snappier.
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The S4 may seem to take better shots because of its over processing. I would personally just find as many camera comparisons as you can and even check out Flickr's camera finder to see.

jntdroid said:
Are you stuck on ME7? The S4 I bought a week ago had a bad button - it came out of the box with ME7. However, in store yesterday they just grabbed one out of another box brand new to swap out, and it's on MDK. Since the One is locked up for now, and the S4 I have now can theoretically stay that way as long as someone (like yourself ) continues providing stock/rooted ROMs, correct? Making the decision even tougher... that, and as much as I like the speed and quality of the One's camera, the S4 can simply take some amazing shots... S4 also seems to get better battery life, but the One's UI is smoother/snappier.
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I got mine from a user mikekid7 for a very great price (basically contract price) that already came with MDK when I bought it.

Tarpit_Carnivore said:
I'm wavering back and forth myself between getting the One and selling my S3. Aside from build, I personally feel the quality of Sense all the way through is far superior to TouchWiz. I think with the camera is 50/50 because I've had some great shots on my S3 but I've also had some horrible shots; interestingly enough, now that I think about it my first S3 had a horrible camera but the CLN I got takes much better photos.
Anyway, for me even if the battery life is so-so on the One I think fit-and-finish will still win out on me if I go through with it.
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Sense is definitely cleaner and simpler than Touchwiz, and snappier. But TW on the S4 has a few features that become relatively addicting once you're used to them (this isn't my first S4 )... Air Preview is one - it seems gimmicky, but once you're used to using it, it's pretty handy. Using your voice to take a picture is another I use ALL the time - keeps the hands steady and helps with the self-shots with the kiddos.
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The S4 may seem to take better shots because of its over processing. I would personally just find as many camera comparisons as you can and even check out Flickr's camera finder to see.
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This isn't my first S4 or my first One - it is on Verizon, though. I've tested them both extensively, and honestly they both do a lot of processing. The One's camera is really fast, especially if you're using touch-to-capture, and has some cool features like "events" videos. The One has a tendency to wash out in lighter scenarios because it lets so much light in. The S4 keeps lighting more balanced, but if there's a shadow in the foreground (like on someone's face), doesn't bring it out as much because of that "balance". Honestly, the S4 takes better low-light shots than the One does when it's in Night Mode - which it can recognize automatically, but doesn't always do it. But it's also a slower shot than the One's low-light shots. Flash-based shots are hands down to the S4. The One's are good, don't get me wrong, but the S4's shots are bright and balanced with little to no washout, and very crisp and clear. You can really take advantage of those 13mp with the flash. Outdoor shots, especially in good sunlight, also go to the S4 most of the time. If all else is equal, and you're snapping a photo of your kid going down a water slide 30 feet away, they'll both do great - but the S4's will actually be croppable, while the One's will get noisy really quick at that distance.
So in general I like the quality of the S4's shots better, I like the feel and speed of the One's camera better (less the lack of voice control), and I like the feel and speed of the One in general, but also miss some of the voice controls that the S4 has. I also don't hate the S4's feel - it's very thin and tight... just not the nice brushed aluminum feel of the One. I also like that I can root/rom the S4 if I want - I don't do it much any more but would like the option. I can hope the One will be able to soon, but who knows... If I ditch the One today, it'll probably get s-off tomorrow. If I don't, it'll probably be 3 months...
edit: and I also tried out a Droid Maxx for a few days and besides battery life and an incredibly smooth, stock-like UI, found it lacking in almost every other area compared to the One and S4
Holy essay... goodness, sorry - went off there for a bit.

Ha no worries! I never use the voice features or any of the Samsung TW features on my S3, so that's a non-issue. As long as I can control aspects of the camera like metering, exposure value, iso, etc I can work with the camera.
My brain is going so fast trying to think this one through.

I absolutely agree with that sentiment! Months of reading and my conclusion is that I want a mash up of the 2 phones. The One with the S4 Camera & an SD card slot! In the long run, I am an amateur photographer and the S4 will probably win...
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Sheldor1967 said:
I absolutely agree with that sentiment! Months of reading and my conclusion is that I want a mash up of the 2 phones. The One with the S4 Camera & an SD card slot! In the long run, I am an amateur photographer and the S4 will probably win...
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Edit: The S4 won... When push came to shove, I had to go with the best camera...
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I've been wondering this same thing but for me the tricky thing is the lack of the software buttons I'm so used to on my Galaxy Nexus.
Though between the s4 and the one there isn't much a difference although the one's offset home button is kinda odd to me.
Hoping one day I'll be able to flash a rom that ignores the hardware buttons in exchange for software buttons, but that might not be as nice either. So still a tough decision.

I had the s4 and went with the one. The camera is barely better on the s4. No cellphone camera is going to take good shots in low light conditions and I think the one does a bit better than the s4. In normal to great light conditions the cameras are pretty darn close to me. I like the Zoe feature of the one.
Battery life seems to be pretty much the same as well. I'm getting just about the same amount t of screen on time.
I think the one ui is much more fluid. And the big winner for me is the screen. Wow does the one look way better!!
The build quality is amazing on the one as well. I love how it feels like its a solidly built phone he plasticy. I out a case on mine so it kinda doesn't matter but you can still feel that the phone is solid.
Of course that's just my opinion.
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mpetruzz said:
I had the s4 and went with the one. The camera is barely better on the s4. No cellphone camera is going to take good shots in low light conditions and I think the one does a bit better than the s4. In normal to great light conditions the cameras are pretty darn close to me. I like the Zoe feature of the one.
Battery life seems to be pretty much the same as well. I'm getting just about the same amount t of screen on time.
I think the one ui is much more fluid. And the big winner for me is the screen. Wow does the one look way better!!
The build quality is amazing on the one as well. I love how it feels like its a solidly built phone he plasticy. I out a case on mine so it kinda doesn't matter but you can still feel that the phone is solid.
Of course that's just my opinion.
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The One's camera is also wicked fast, especially if you enable touch-to-capture under shutter options - tap where you want it to focus, it adjusts lighting and focuses and snaps very quickly. And I love being able to make a short video montage with preset audio and effects and share that easily... pretty cool feature with the kiddos.
I think the main areas the S4's camera will win out are large scenic shots that you want to crop or zoom at all, for obvious reasons. And also shots where there's a lot of contrast, it tends to balance things out better, while the One seems to wash out the light areas when focused on the dark areas, and vice versa.

Sheldor1967 said:
I absolutely agree with that sentiment! Months of reading and my conclusion is that I want a mash up of the 2 phones. The One with the S4 Camera & an SD card slot! In the long run, I am an amateur photographer and the S4 will probably win...
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If you are an amateur photog, don't you have a dedicated real camera?
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nrfitchett4 said:
If you are an amateur photog, don't you have a dedicated real camera?
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Of course, I have Dslr, but I don't always have it with me, and I have found that 50% of the time, the Phone can equal it...The other 50% it doesn't come close!
BTW, I took the S4 back and got the One! Was not happy with the Camera and that was the only reason I bought it...

A favor to ask - regarding camera

Can someone PLEASE install vignette and try taking a photo with the stock camera and vignette?
I want to see if the compression and artifacting is software sourced....
I am so torn with regards to my next phone, and I have heard insanely amazing things about the One, but I am also a pretty avid mobile photographer and really appreciate a better than average camera....
Let me know if you try this and if you can, post the results?

Assuming the Vignette Demo (free version) would suffice?

m4rk0358 said:
Assuming the Vignette Demo (free version) would suffice?
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Don't think so, demo might not have full quality.

I have the full version. But its dark now. Do you need a daylight picture?
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josh995 said:
I have the full version. But its dark now. Do you need a daylight picture?
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Yeah, Daylight..... no rush. I am just hung up on this camera.

drtchocky said:
Can someone PLEASE install vignette and try taking a photo with the stock camera and vignette?
I want to see if the compression and artifacting is software sourced....
I am so torn with regards to my next phone, and I have heard insanely amazing things about the One, but I am also a pretty avid mobile photographer and really appreciate a better than average camera....
Let me know if you try this and if you can, post the results?
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I honestly wouldn't go with the HTC One or the GS4 if you want a great mobile camera. Where the HTC One excels in average light and low-light, it is awful outdoors, and the 4MP's aren't anything extraordinary either. The iPhone5 has a slightly better camera than the One, and the 5S should be getting released in less than a month. I honestly hate referring you to the iPhone because it sucks everywhere else against Android. The 5S should be a getting a slightly improved camera which would put it as a good bit better than the One's camera. The GS4's camera isn't better than the One, but it does do better in bright lighting/outdoors and has a better MP count.
It is possible that the HTC One Max being released soon might be getting a better "Ultrapixel" camera than our non-phablet One's. Maybe look into that? Or the iPhone5S. I can't imagine the Nexus 5 being released in a few months would have a much better camera than last years Nexus, and not to mention it likely won't be on Verizon.
Also, the Moto X's camera is god awful.

Syn Ack said:
I honestly wouldn't go with the HTC One or the GS4 if you want a great mobile camera. Where the HTC One excels in average light and low-light, it is awful outdoors, and the 4MP's aren't anything extraordinary either. The iPhone5 has a slightly better camera than the One, and the 5S should be getting released in less than a month. I honestly hate referring you to the iPhone because it sucks everywhere else against Android. The 5S should be a getting a slightly improved camera which would put it as a good bit better than the One's camera. The GS4's camera isn't better than the One, but it does do better in bright lighting/outdoors and has a better MP count.
It is possible that the HTC One Max being released soon might be getting a better "Ultrapixel" camera than our non-phablet One's. Maybe look into that? Or the iPhone5S. I can't imagine the Nexus 5 being released in a few months would have a much better camera than last years Nexus, and not to mention it likely won't be on Verizon.
Also, the Moto X's camera is god awful.
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Isn't odd to anyone else that you can't get the holy trifecta of build/update/camera on one phone these days? I am almost getting to that point where I am paranoid that there's been a backroom agreement between manufacturers to only have 1 or 2 out of 3....

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Isn't odd to anyone else that you can't get the holy trifecta of build/update/camera on one phone these days? I am almost getting to that point where I am paranoid that there's been a backroom agreement between manufacturers to only have 1 or 2 out of 3....
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Basically if you combined the iPhone5 and the HTC One specs and took the best of each, you would have the best mobile phone camera available. I tried out the Lumia 1020, not impressed in the slightest.

I have an HTC One and an iPhone 5 and I like the photos on the HTC One better. Although it could be the 1080p screen that's tricking me.
I have vignette and will take a stock camera + vignette pic shortly
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Syn Ack said:
Basically if you combined the iPhone5 and the HTC One specs and took the best of each, you would have the best mobile phone camera available. I tried out the Lumia 1020, not impressed in the slightest.
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I am inclined to agree. though, for my hands I'd prefer a 5 inch screen

The Sony i1 is being announced next week. G lens 20mp camera, expandable memory, etc. Might be worth waiting to see what they announce.

m4rk0358 said:
The Sony i1 is being announced next week. G lens 20mp camera, expandable memory, etc. Might be worth waiting to see what they announce.
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A sony phone on Verizon? think not.

Syn Ack said:
Basically if you combined the iPhone5 and the HTC One specs and took the best of each, you would have the best mobile phone camera available. I tried out the Lumia 1020, not impressed in the slightest.
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I agree with this completely. HTC got nearly everything right except for the camera. I'm hoping that the next iteration has slightly less bezel (think Moto X form factor) and a camera on par to whatever the 5S will have. If so, I'll be buying one at full price to replace this HTC One.

Ok I have taken 2 pictures, one with the stock camera and one with the Vignette camera. How would you like to see them? They're not the best pictures because it was lightly raining and I didn't want to get my phone wet so I was trying to keep the phone under the eve of my roof.

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A sony phone on Verizon? think not.
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Why the doubt? There has been at least one Sony Android phones on Verizon before.

We also need to consider another factor. A camera is only as good as the photographer using it. I am by no means a professional yet in have seen great pictures and taken great pics with the HTC one that I would put up against the gs4 or the iPhone 5(I have owned all 3). The HTC one has many more options than either one of those cameras when it comes to exposure, shutter, white balance, etc. The camera editor is also great on this phone. If you use the correct scene it also helps a bunch as well.
Unless we are talking about enlarging the pic bigger than a 4x6 or 5x7 then that's where the One would fail and the GS4 or ip5 would clearly succeed. As far as posting to Facebook or instagram etc the one will be great .
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josh995 said:
Ok I have taken 2 pictures, one with the stock camera and one with the Vignette camera. How would you like to see them? They're not the best pictures because it was lightly raining and I didn't want to get my phone wet so I was trying to keep the phone under the eve of my roof.
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just embed them in this thread?

Not a great morning here, cloudy/foggy, but heres a shot from both stock and vignette, respectively. Also attached a zip of the 2 since the pics would be altered due to size limits. The 'brighter' one (also taken fist, check filename) is the stock. Didn't get Vignette to focus well, and can only take 3.1M images, was on "superfine" with no filter.

For some reason Vignette can only capture up to 3.1MP on the HTC One, plus it doesn't do HDR either. I find it best to use the stock camera with HDR and then share with Vignette for the filters I want to apply. The photo comes out better than just using Vignette straight.

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For some reason Vignette can only capture up to 3.1MP on the HTC One, plus it doesn't do HDR either. I find it best to use the stock camera with HDR and then share with Vignette for the filters I want to apply. The photo comes out better than just using Vignette straight.
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if i used them yeah thats what you would have to do. HTC has an odd camera and pixel count, so i'm not surprised Vignette doesn't properly support it. They've always been good about resolving issues though, so theres hope.

Camera question

So i am going to be getting rid of my Note 3. Ended up being too big. Thinking about the One. How is the camera really? Read mixed reviews. And how is battery life? Any input would be appreciated.
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Battery life is good. Not the best, but still pretty dang good. The camera as long as you're not relying on it constantly, is also good. Its less MP but is also still pretty good. I absolutely love mine, and highly recommend it to anyone.
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Worst part about the camera is that it seems to be hit or miss. First One I had, the camera was amazing. Had to warranty the phone due to blown speaker, and this camera won't focus to save a life! Going to try another. Many are having purple tint issues, noted all over the web. Might want to do a little more research if the camera is that important to you.

If the camera is hugely important, I might check other phones out. I'm on my 5th One, and finally got a camera hardware version, along with the 4.3 update that finally made it usable in low-light, etc.
But, other than that.. amazing phone. Battery life is pretty damn good.

Ajj915 said:
So i am going to be getting rid of my Note 3. Ended up being too big. Thinking about the One. How is the camera really? Read mixed reviews. And how is battery life? Any input would be appreciated.
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It'll be really hard to recommend anything coming from a Note 3 since it has the best camera (overall) of any smartphone right now, not to mention the 4k video recording. You'll be happier with the S4 if camera is really important, as it's close to the quality of the Note 3. The LG G2 would be another good option as it has OIS.

I own an s4 and the one and I must say that one is a much better device. Although the two catagories you're asking about are a close call the one is a much better device imo. The battery is pretty damn good but not as good as the note 3 obviously and my camera works great unless you need to zoom and want great clarity because the low mega pixels will not allow for it but other than that I have had no problems and I prefer the photos on one over the s4 for the most part. Only other device I would recommend would probably be the g2. Hope this helped. Good luck!

You might end up with one with a purple tint, one with bad focusing, or hit a perfect one! Its a hit or miss deal with the camera. I would go for the LG G2, or S4 (locked bootloader beware).

Had previous HTC and loved it! The camera isn't that bad, but not too perfect.

[Q] Further Camera updates? HTC or Devs?

Since the .15/.17 updates, we have seen a modest improvement in camera quality, furthermore, the RAW mode has shown that the sensor and lens combination can take some decent shots, even in low light
(look here) http://www.anandtech.com/show/9211/a-quick-look-at-one-m9-raw-photos
Now, yes, we could all just shoot in raw and learn how to correct the profiles, but, simply put, we shouldn't have to.
It is evident that HTC's jpgs are not being processed well, resulting in poor images.
I've tweeted HTC to ask if there are further improvements coming, and I didn't get a real response. Does anyone in the know have details as to whether they have committed to continue working on their JPGs, or will this have to go to one of the hardworking devs here to do something about?

Personally i've found HTC jpeg shots look better than RAW, and even in the photo's you've linked it's better in JPEG to be fair.
The S6 and iphone don't impress me either.
All the shots are awful, so I wouldn't use any of them as low light or night time shooters.
I wouldn't expect too much more in the way of improvements and if this phone's camera isn't good enough for you, i'd give up and sell it because they're all much of a muchness and no substitute for an Ultrapixel or proper camera.

Would love to see ANY update. When is it coming to europe and Sweden? Hate waiting....

I don't know what to tell you, then. The S6 and the iPhone are pretty much the gold standard for camera phones right now, and to call them awful is pure hyperbole. You might be a pro photographer and prefer a DSLR or pro gear, but even a pro photographer would be able to know what the intended use were for camera phones and not resort to calling them "awful" when they're clearly quite good for what they are.
The HTC camera, however, is simply horrendous. For simple point & shoot operation, this is damn near unusable indoors, and much worse than my Nexus 5, which is generally regarded to have a pretty bad camera. HTC **** the bed on their processing, and need to put some engineers towards improving this before it hurts them even more. Fortunately, this CAN be done over an OTA, but somehow I doubt it will.
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The S6 and iphone don't impress me either.
All the shots are awful, so I wouldn't use any of them as low light or night time shooters.
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entropism said:
I don't know what to tell you, then. The S6 and the iPhone are pretty much the gold standard for camera phones right now, and to call them awful is pure hyperbole. You might be a pro photographer and prefer a DSLR or pro gear, but even a pro photographer would be able to know what the intended use were for camera phones and not resort to calling them "awful" when they're clearly quite good for what they are.
The HTC camera, however, is simply horrendous. For simple point & shoot operation, this is damn near unusable indoors, and much worse than my Nexus 5, which is generally regarded to have a pretty bad camera. HTC **** the bed on their processing, and need to put some engineers towards improving this before it hurts them even more. Fortunately, this CAN be done over an OTA, but somehow I doubt it will.
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There isn't any perfect phone out there, but easy there I think the HTC M9 camera is great if you know how to tweak the exposure, contrast, and saturation. Maybe you should have a look on how to fox it

mr.dj26 said:
There isn't any perfect phone out there, but easy there I think the HTC M9 camera is great if you know how to tweak the exposure, contrast, and saturation. Maybe you should have a look on how to fox it
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As I said, for POINT & SHOOT operation, this phone is absolutely awful. Like 99% of the population, I do not want, nor should I need, to tweak any settings to make the phone usable as a camera. Should manually adjusting the camera take BETTER pictures than point and shoot? Sure. But using the camera right out of the box should take semi decent pictures, not the blurry, pixelated mess that HTC's software produces. Saying "Oh, it'll work fine as soon as you adjust the contrast, exposure, saturation, etc etc etc" is NOT something that will work for the general public.

So don't call a camera phone awful, but it is ok to call one horrendous. Lol. My wife has the Note 4 and before that she had the Note 2. We have had other Samsung phones in the past. Her phone does take a slight better pics than mine, but let's not exaggerate it. For those spur of the moment memories, texts, and social media, my phone does just fine. I have found iPhones do produce really nice photos, but my understanding has been that Apple does a little extra with the processing and the end result is not a natural photo.
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fernandezhjr said:
So don't call a camera phone awful, but it is ok to call one horrendous. Lol. My wife has the Note 4 and before that she had the Note 2. We have had other Samsung phones in the past. Her phone does take a slight better pics than mine, but let's not exaggerate it. For those spur of the moment memories, texts, and social media, my phone does just fine. I have found iPhones do produce really nice photos, but my understanding has been that Apple does a little extra with the processing and the end result is not a natural photo.
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I've had the S6, it's quite adept at taking pictures. It's not DSLR quality, but as far as camera phones go, it's at the top for sure. Meanwhile, every single point & shoot picture out of the M9 comes out a pixelated mess.
I never said don't call a camera phone awful. I said you simply cannot take the gold standard out there and say it takes awful pictures. It's simply inaccurate. Meanwhile, for point & shoot, the M9 certainly is a poor performer.

entropism said:
I've had the S6, it's quite adept at taking pictures. It's not DSLR quality, but as far as camera phones go, it's at the top for sure. Meanwhile, every single point & shoot picture out of the M9 comes out a pixelated mess.
I never said don't call a camera phone awful. I said you simply cannot take the gold standard out there and say it takes awful pictures. It's simply inaccurate. Meanwhile, for point & shoot, the M9 certainly is a poor performer.
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Like I said. I did comparisons and I don't see where it is that bad. I don't know how much better a S6 camera is than a Note 4, but I doubt it is that great. But I guess it could be.
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I think a fair few of us in this thread agree that the M9 's hardware is CAPABLE of making some good shots, comparable to other flagships on the market. However, to GET to that point, it requires Manual intervention (or RAW). This is ok for 80% of the time, but when you have a short time to take a shot, it certainly falls short of other options.
This thread isn't to argue the semantics, rather asking what everything thinks is the next step for our camera, whether anyone in the know can share whether HTC will continue working on making the AUTO + JPGs better, or whether the notion that they will work on the camera was just a tick box action, and now we've had a small update, it is up to the independent devs to improve.

Karl-Johan said:
Would love to see ANY update. When is it coming to europe and Sweden? Hate waiting....
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Sorry mate, no idea, but I do feel your pain.
If you're really eager, any one of the leading custom ROMs have the latest camera update? I'm personally running Leedroid at the moment, and I cant fault it. Stable, with great performance

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This literally might be one of the worst smartphone cameras i have ever had. Does anyone agree? I feel tricked. I might sell this phone and get the z4v. The lack of enthusiasm here even shows little promise to me that this phone is even slightly future proof.
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I agree. My Samsung gs4 camera ridiculously beats this phone by a lot.

thewagdy said:
This literally might be one of the worst smartphone cameras i have ever had. Does anyone agree? I feel tricked. I might sell this phone and get the z4v. The lack of enthusiasm here even shows little promise to me that this phone is even slightly future proof.
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Did you guys both try the 5.1 firmware/os?
magesticschu said:
I agree. My Samsung gs4 camera ridiculously beats this phone by a lot.
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dottat said:
Did you guys both try the 5.1 firmware/os?
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Is it special enough to compete with the S6E or LG G4? Or dare I say iPhone?
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Not much improvement after the firmware update either. It really is garbage for trying to focus and just overall quality in general. Not a deal breaker for me but just disappointing.
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The best thing about firmware update is the battery doesn't overheat nearly as much. As for camera... It's still eh in my book.

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Not much improvement after the firmware update either. It really is garbage for trying to focus and just overall quality in general. Not a deal breaker for me but just disappointing.
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The best thing about firmware update is the battery doesn't overheat nearly as much. As for camera... It's still eh in my book.
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It is very close to being a deal breaker to me. I am considering other options.
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I dumped HTC for a gs4 when it came out and while I loved the camera on the s4, everything else sucked. Touchwiz is slow and bloated, even when rooted, tweaked, debloated, etc. Even an Intel i7 couldn't make touchwiz fast. I quickly realized camera wasn't that big of a deal. Nothing that I've had to date has beaten the camera of my HTC rezound. I wish I would've kept it to use just as a camera. As for this one, like the m8 it takes some playing around with the settings to get optimal results. It's a pain sometimes, yes, I'd like to just pull out my phone and snap a quick quality pic but I can live with it. This camera wins some and loses some battles vs iPhone and Samsung. Bottom line. Is this camera great? No. Is it as bad as the bashers make it seem? No. It's somewhere in the middle. I haven't played with it after updating to 5.1 yet but I'm sure it didn't get worse.
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Evocm7 said:
I dumped HTC for a gs4 when it came out and while I loved the camera on the s4, everything else sucked. Touchwiz is slow and bloated, even when rooted, tweaked, debloated, etc. Even an Intel i7 couldn't make touchwiz fast. I quickly realized camera wasn't that big of a deal. Nothing that I've had to date has beaten the camera of my HTC rezound. I wish I would've kept it to use just as a camera. As for this one, like the m8 it takes some playing around with the settings to get optimal results. It's a pain sometimes, yes, I'd like to just pull out my phone and snap a quick quality pic but I can live with it. This camera wins some and loses some battles vs iPhone and Samsung. Bottom line. Is this camera great? No. Is it as bad as the bashers make it seem? No. It's somewhere in the middle. I haven't played with it after updating to 5.1 yet but I'm sure it didn't get worse.
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I am sure the stock software experience on the Z4v would be better than the stock experience on the m9. I cant ship it out to get s-off so that may be my next route. I hope the software exploit beats me to it because I bave a special place in my heart for HTC
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So do I. I'm hoping they come up with something good for the m10. They need to change it up a bit. Dump the 8 core, up the speaker volume, focus on the rear camera quality instead of MP. I'd like a note equivalent option as well.
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Well it's way better than my m8 ..so that's a plus. Not really a camera guy, usually is the wife that goes crazy with pics.

I hope someone who is about to load one of the 5.1 ROMs will take some controlled environment photos before and after. It would be good to see an objective test.
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neutronjeff said:
I hope someone who is about to load one of the 5.1 ROMs will take some controlled environment photos before and after. It would be good to see an objective test.
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I agree!

I would have if I saw this sooner. Already on 5.1 though.
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its a phone first, camera is just an added bonus, problem is people expect to use thier phone to replace thier camera. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! you ever try to blow up a cellphone picture.,....I dont care what brand it is, it will be pixelated.
I work in the personalization industry, and youd be suprised by the amount of poor quality photos people expect us to print on a canvas or tshirt(most of them iphone pics too), then get mad when they see the quality.....stop sending us cell phone pics..... Its sad the most people care about storage space, internet and camera, more than they do about the phone actually functioning as a phone...reception....who needs that anyway!
anyway yea the camera isnt the greatest, but sure beats my moto razr hd that couldnt even make phone calls without randomly reseting, or my samsung galaxy s5 that chugged along and recognized my finger inputs 5 minutes later....

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its a phone first, camera is just an added bonus, problem is people expect to use thier phone to replace thier camera. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! you ever try to blow up a cellphone picture.,....I dont care what brand it is, it will be pixelated.
I work in the personalization industry, and youd be suprised by the amount of poor quality photos people expect us to print on a canvas or tshirt(most of them iphone pics too), then get mad when they see the quality.....stop sending us cell phone pics..... Its sad the most people care about storage space, internet and camera, more than they do about the phone actually functioning as a phone...reception....who needs that anyway!
anyway yea the camera isnt the greatest, but sure beats my moto razr hd that couldnt even make phone calls without randomly reseting, or my samsung galaxy s5 that chugged along and recognized my finger inputs 5 minutes later....
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I agree. But if your phone camera is so below par that it might as well be 2 years old thats not right.
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thewagdy said:
I agree. But if your phone camera is so below par that it might as well be 2 years old thats not right.
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I 100% agree with that, i do buy a phone for a good camera, as i take alot of random pictures. With the 5.1 update, that camera has been fixed IMMENSELY.... Im not saying it went from crap to great (my wife's S6 destroys this thing), but it is tolerable now. I think the camera can be made better still with software improvements, but at least it is on the right track.

aer0zer0 said:
I 100% agree with that, i do buy a phone for a good camera, as i take alot of random pictures. With the 5.1 update, that camera has been fixed IMMENSELY.... Im not saying it went from crap to great (my wife's S6 destroys this thing), but it is tolerable now. I think the camera can be made better still with software improvements, but at least it is on the right track.
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I recently got s-off thanks to @dottat, amazing job btw, and the 5.1 update is hugeee makes it almost a nonfactor to me how bad it is. I dont need dslr camera but GS6 and iPhone6/6+ are still miles ahead.

thewagdy said:
I recently got s-off thanks to @dottat, amazing job btw, and the 5.1 update is hugeee makes it almost a nonfactor to me how bad it is. I dont need dslr camera but GS6 and iPhone6/6+ are still miles ahead.
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I also went the @dottat route

bytethegroove said:
its a phone first, camera is just an added bonus, problem is people expect to use thier phone to replace thier camera. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! you ever try to blow up a cellphone picture.,....I dont care what brand it is, it will be pixelated.
I work in the personalization industry, and youd be suprised by the amount of poor quality photos people expect us to print on a canvas or tshirt(most of them iphone pics too), then get mad when they see the quality.....stop sending us cell phone pics..... Its sad the most people care about storage space, internet and camera, more than they do about the phone actually functioning as a phone...reception....who needs that anyway!
anyway yea the camera isnt the greatest, but sure beats my moto razr hd that couldnt even make phone calls without randomly reseting, or my samsung galaxy s5 that chugged along and recognized my finger inputs 5 minutes later....
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The Panasonic CM1 is enough to replace a camera. Perhaps not a full frame but it's good enough! It just needs OIS :/ (and a lower price).

It would be really great if someone would take and post some controlled pictures before and after getting the 5.1 upgrade.
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