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There's a new interview from Light Reading's Sarah Reedy with Sprint's Product marketer Trevor Van Norman. Trevor explains why Sprint chose its first LTE devices, how it will explain Network Vision to consumers and how it plans to make up for lost time with LTE.
Specifically interesting at 3:55, when Sarah asks, "is sticking with unlimited the plan for LTE as well?"
http://www.lightreading.com/video.asp?doc_id=216446
interesting stuff, already heard most of it. I like the direction we're heading in.
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That's the first person to say lte will be unlimited....that is good as long as there is no price increase also
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unlimited lte? yessss
A more important question would have been when is the SGS3 coming out.
With how well gs2 are still selling ....a while... No need for it until they have to beat the iPhone 5
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Im very happy that he said as far as they can see they are going to stick with UNLIMITED data! It sounds like only half of the USA will have 4g LTE... I know my island in Hawaii wont be one of them but hey.... I can always dream right?! Yes the dead horse has beaten to death on this subject but its lame they sell 4g phones to people to this very day saying that 4g "Wimax" is going to come to there town... I waited for 2 yearz and now know that my ET3G will never see 4g. Since my ialand is so little i dont feel ripped off much cause i doubt Kauai will ever have 4g before 2016 or if we get it at all.... But if i lived in a place that doesnt have 4g wimax currently and then they put in LTE less than a year later i would be pissed that im stuck with a relatively new device that doesnt support sprints new 4g. Im sure that will happen to lots. Litterally being in great coverage of 20Mb/sec but unnable to access it on there 1yr old phone because theres no LTE chip. Especially if they dont have Wimax in there area.. Ok i just had to get that off my chest, like breast reduction
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I currently have Sprint as my carrier that now, and long story short, I can get out of this without ETF. How is the overall reception with T-mo and this phone? This phone is becoming more and more attractive phone for me as I keep researching it.
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So much better than sprint! I was with sprint for 10 years and have 2x the coverage now....love Tmobile compared to sprint..
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It depends on where you are. I just came from Verizon and I am very happy with T-mobile and my GS2. The coverage is not as wide spread as what I am used to but it works just as well or better most of the places I go to.
Holy crapolie dude, i recently switched from sprint to tmobi and it was the best thing i have ever done. On sprint i was getting max 600kbps 3g, no wimax ever in my area, on tm avg 12 but have maxed 18fmbs, thats freaking megabits yo.
Galaxy s2 on tm is ok, dumb processor is not as good as exynos but with a good rom and kernel its very good. I get better reception with tm over sprint even. Im in palm springs ca area. I run juggernaut 4.1 rom with faux123 kernel, very happy.
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Good to hear from switchers like me. I live in southeast Michigan near Ohio so coverage from Sprint can be spotty. As long as I can get even or better service without paying more, I'm willing to switch. My only fear is I'm switching my family into a worse carrier...how reliable is the coverage map on their website?
And regarding phone, I'm coming from an HTC and I'm getting tired of Sense. Haha.
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Ya, I switched my family of 5. It's nice not having to use a damn airave in my house just to get a signal. The map seems pretty accurate....do you know anyone in your area with Tmobile?
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u will like it, its better than sprint imo, atleast in my area it is.
Just switched from sprint this month.. Had the epic 4G. Tmobile
Speeds and service blow sprint out of the water.. I'm so happy I switched
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I had the Evo4g on sprint recently before this phone. Note my location because my experiences are because of that....
voice reception is so much better on t-mobile. I love being able to send texts on the subway underneath center city, something you can't dream on doing with sprint. When it comes to data..... T-mobile disappoints me. I NEED to use wifi in my house. My evo4g I had full 3g/4g signal. In the rest of the city I find so many data holes its ridiculous. When I do have a data signal I much prefer wimax over hspa. Note I don't have hspa+ service here for some god knows why reason.
If I had good coverage and service I'd love t-mobile and some areas have that but honestly if they don't improve in my area I'm going to terminate my contract when the next generation of phones are released.
I want hspa+ or LTE
I switched from Sprint to Tmo back in August. I was with Sprint for over a year, and from the first day I complained about NO service whatsoever in my own house. Sprint pretty much kept calling me a liar and that I had perfect service, even when I resorted to using my house phone just to make calls.
Then, in August last year, Sprint decided they wanted to up the Administrative Fee to $1.50 and, per their terms and conditions, I can NOT agree to it and have my ETFs waived, and so I did. In a last ditch effort, they decided that they could waive the charge for the Air Rave, after I had complained to them from day one about the dropped calls, and even asked for them to send me an Air Rave for free (which many people in the EVO forums had theirs for free), but at that point, the last nail was already in the coffin, and said my final goodbyes.
Originally got my wife and I both LG G2X's for free (last day they were free, online anyway). Then I added my friend on, got an SGS II for his line, and gave him my G2X. With the APN workaround, good coverage, all is smooth sailing over here in Tmo-land. =D
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Ya, I switched my family of 5. It's nice not having to use a damn airave in my house just to get a signal. The map seems pretty accurate....do you know anyone in your area with Tmobile?
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Nada, I've yet to hear from anyone who has T-Mobile. Areas where I live (Lambertville) seem to have a big coverage over the town with 4G. I'm going to take that as good news since my 3G speeds are crawling where I live on Sprint.
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u will like it, its better than sprint imo, atleast in my area it is.
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Yeah, definitely seems area dependent, but then again, so is Sprint and other carriers around Michigan.
starskyrob said:
Just switched from sprint this month.. Had the epic 4G. Tmobile
Speeds and service blow sprint out of the water.. I'm so happy I switched
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Mhm, HSPA+ blows anything out from other carriers IMO. I don't much care for LTE until battery life is similar or better than that on a HSPA+ enabled carrier.
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I had the Evo4g on sprint recently before this phone. Note my location because my experiences are because of that....
voice reception is so much better on t-mobile. I love being able to send texts on the subway underneath center city, something you can't dream on doing with sprint. When it comes to data..... T-mobile disappoints me. I NEED to use wifi in my house. My evo4g I had full 3g/4g signal. In the rest of the city I find so many data holes its ridiculous. When I do have a data signal I much prefer wimax over hspa. Note I don't have hspa+ service here for some god knows why reason.
If I had good coverage and service I'd love t-mobile and some areas have that but honestly if they don't improve in my area I'm going to terminate my contract when the next generation of phones are released.
I want hspa+ or LTE
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This I can sort of relate with since I was in Philly for about a week or so. 3G speeds were always above 1.5Mbps and WiMax was even better. I really loved the speeds and if only Sprint had speeds I was getting in Philly around where I live...One can dream right?
Anyways, I think I'm dead set on moving my family to T-Mobile. What is this forum's opinion on the new Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G? If that's coming out soon, then I may just skip on this one and go for the slightly newer one...
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Anyways, I think I'm dead set on moving my family to T-Mobile. What is this forum's opinion on the new Samsung Galaxy S Blaze 4G? If that's coming out soon, then I may just skip on this one and go for the slightly newer one...
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for all we know the blaze could be a downgrade mid-range galaxy hspa+ phone. no setailed specs are released. Or it could be a 720p version of our phone.
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for all we know the blaze could be a downgrade mid-range galaxy hspa+ phone. no setailed specs are released. Or it could be a 720p version of our phone.
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So more or less the same thing that happened when T-MO released the Galaxy S 4G as opposed to upgrading the Vibrant? Eh, it probably isn't going to be worth the (extra) price and I'd rather snag this phone over it, since it already has an established development around it.
Why switch to tmobile now unless you have coverage problems tmobile starting to fail
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Why switch to tmobile now unless you have coverage problems tmobile starting to fail
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T-mobile will be around for a long time but it may be called something else, remember voicestream, cingular?
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Why switch to tmobile now unless you have coverage problems tmobile starting to fail
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Hmm, I don't really see any concrete evidence T-Mobile is failing of some sort. With the recent merger deal falling out, it gives T-mo roaming agreements and extra money to expand coverage.
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I have tmobile, been with them ten years. I drive a truck cross country. I seem to always have some reception and at least 2g and great 4g close to metropolitan areas. I am constantly driving out into the middle of nowhere to load and unload. Just seems to work.
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I have tmobile, been with them ten years. I drive a truck cross country. I seem to always have some reception and at least 2g and great 4g close to metropolitan areas. I am constantly driving out into the middle of nowhere to load and unload. Just seems to work.
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Wow, that's awesome. Sprint more or less had 3G whenever our family took extended trips out into the expressways.
Haha, this is what happens when you're with Sprint for so long and do not understand the meaning of coverage or high speeds.
Tmo is better sprint is so horribaly slow
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So, I went with sprint because of the truly unlimited data plan, and this phone. I love my phone, I love the great development community we have, great ROMs. Everything about the phone is great. But I am extremely annoyed with Sprints data service. When I bought the phone I was aware there wasn't 4G in my area worth mentioning, I figured 3G would be fine. Well its not. Average speed test scores of 56 kbps. Abysmal. I had also assumed at some point, slowly the 4G would improve as they added towers. Now Sprint has decided to roll with LTE instead. Probably a smart choice but I feel like I have been screwed over. metro Detroit has some of the slowest 3G there is. So of sprint rolls out LYE this year are we gonna have to riot in the streets or do you think they plan to work with people contracted into WiMax phones?
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So, I went with sprint because of the truly unlimited data plan, and this phone. I love my phone, I love the great development community we have, great ROMs. Everything about the phone is great. But I am extremely annoyed with Sprints data service. When I bought the phone I was aware there wasn't 4G in my area worth mentioning, I figured 3G would be fine. Well its not. Average speed test scores of 56 kbps. Abysmal. I had also assumed at some point, slowly the 4G would improve as they added towers. Now Sprint has decided to roll with LTE instead. Probably a smart choice but I feel like I have been screwed over. metro Detroit has some of the slowest 3G there is. So of sprint rolls out LYE this year are we gonna have to riot in the streets or do you think they plan to work with people contracted into WiMax phones?
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Detroit did suck for 3g speeds while I was there over xmas. However Sprint going LTE could also help 3G users since the towers in general are being upgraded the 3G data speeds should also get better.
saw a few ppl in detroit today with increased speeds.. nv is coming.
I was going to mention the same thing. As the towers get upgrades to LTE they also should be getting capacity upgrades to help 3G as well.
One thing to remember is that this will take time. WiMax will not go away over night. Im sure they will support WiMax for 2-4 years from now. GIving everyone time to outgrow their current WiMax device and upgrade to a LTE device.
Well in Reno Nevada we've been waiting on 4g for months and my 3g is worse. Through out most of the city I get maybe 5-10 kbs. At one point I had about 30 but still that's ridiculous Ive also tried very close to several towers and still same speeds sprint sucks with their 3g and 4g. Verizon has it out here but unwanted true unlimited. We should riot in the streets
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my data speeds were crazy slow too, until i installed the FB series modems...1.5m down and 2 up!
OP give a corporate PRL and Roam Control a go.
Believe WiMax will be supported till 2015 if I remember the press release correctly.
I had this same complaint. But most people these days do not expect much (past two months) from tech companies anymore so don't expect any sympathy. look for my old thread.
I think we should be offered if not a return, at least an early upgrade to an lte phone.
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my 3g actually works better than wifi in the back of the house
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Believe WiMax will be supported till 2015 if I remember the press release correctly.
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I think this is correct because they have to allow for those who still buy wimax phones their 2 years of coverage
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I think this is correct because they have to allow for those who still buy wimax phones their 2 years of coverage
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that doesnt mean there gonna add wimax coverage
i also made a thread about this, sprints data service sucks all together I had verizon before and since my wife decided to switch us i hate my phone experience not because of the phone but the service
Well, I just bit the bullet and pre-ordered a blue 32GB GS3 but I'm catching myself already having buyer's remorse. I know that the GS3 won't disappoint in terms of hardware; but I also know that Sprint's abysmal data performance will continue to disappoint. Some friends from work are currently on T-Mobile's Monthly4G plan and are quite satisfied with it ($70 for unlimited everything up to 5GB of 4G). The data speeds they get are just out-of-this-world (10mbps+!!!) However, by switching to it, I'd have to give up on getting an out-of-contract GS3 with them as it will be waaay above my budget. Google is currently selling the GN for $400 and I was thinking that that phone coupled with the HSPA+ network would be a pretty killer setup. Sure, the phone is inferior to the GS3 in many respects, but what good is a phone if the network that backs it is lacking.
Well, what do you guys recommend for a lost, confused soul such as myself? I remembered having T-Mobile about 3 years ago and not being too satisfied with their coverage; have they improved? I'm in Orlando, FL by the way.
Thanks again for your time...
tmobile doesnt SUCK so to speak. If you live in an area where tmobile is strong. It works great. The problem is usually once you leave the inner city they have horrible service.
Im not going to lie ive thought about going back to tmobile. The speeds are terrible on sprint. Im reluctant to let go of my gs2 because i can at least get wimax in my area. Bit the bullet and even went and tried the new evo lte, but returned it becase there is no LTE in my area, and sprints speeds were just absolutely terrible.
I cant blame you, the galaxy nexus is a great phone with awesome dev community. Just remember at 7-12mbps 5gb will be gone in no time!
Hey get your money back buy a GS3 and put it on Simple Mobile which is T Mobile's sister company. $60 unlimited monthly can't go wrong
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Get the GS3 on Sprint.
14 days to return on sprint so why would there be a problem.
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Hey get your money back buy a GS3 and put it on Simple Mobile which is T Mobile's sister company. $60 unlimited monthly can't go wrong
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Wow, I never heard about this, true unlimited on T-mobile sounds too good to be true. I'm still trying to figure out what the catch is.
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Wow, I never heard about this, true unlimited on T-mobile sounds too good to be true. I'm still trying to figure out what the catch is.
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They throttle 4g after so much. 3g is unlimited.
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peanut1596 said:
They throttle 4g after so much. 3g is unlimited.
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Oh, I see, thanks for the heads up.
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Oh, I see, thanks for the heads up.
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Sure thing pal. You know where that thanks button is.
=P
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They throttle 4g after so much. 3g is unlimited.
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T mobile does this as well right?
Even if you get to this point, I remember my 3g speeds being a TON better than my Sprint speeds.. And since I can't use 4g on sprint because it has it's own issues I don't mind.
OP I am on the same boat, I left Tmob from sprint and regret every minute of it because of data speed/network issues.
I've been calling Sprint to complain and they have been very nice so far and I have already started talking possibly cancelling and they have agreed to work with me(possibly waive) cancellation fee's.
I'm waiting for the GS3 as well but I think it will be too bgi for my liking, since the GS2 is pretty much huge.
Another option is to get the GS3 on contract, sell it for higher and buy the GN you want.
whoa guys I am not speaking of T-Mobile but simple mobile which can be found here www.mysimplemobile.com. There is no throttling with them and actually its primarily 4g but even there whack 3g is still better than Sprint. They use T-Mobiles towers and you are safe if you get a TMobile phone and use it on their network. Do yourself a favor and try it out. You can buy a smiple mobile card on amazon for like a $1 or $2 then get an old tmobile phone and try it out. I am using my Sprint blackberry world phone and it works fine with it
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14 days to return on sprint so why would there be a problem.
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In 14 days there will still be no LTE where he is at probably
Here in Colorado it is great, hspa+ speeds everywhere I go. Lowest I've seen was 1.9mbpa. Considering that even at 3am I can't get that on sprint... lol
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I cured my 3G woes with 00001.prl I'm hoping the SGS3 has the same ability to load a prl file. Then sprint won't matter.
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I cured my 3G woes with 00001.prl I'm hoping the SGS3 has the same ability to load a prl file. Then sprint won't matter.
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You do realize that just forces roaming on Verizon and will get you kicked off of sprint if you use Verizon exclusively.
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I cured my 3G woes with 00001.prl I'm hoping the SGS3 has the same ability to load a prl file. Then sprint won't matter.
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First of all you're roaming, and second of all... still slower than what T-Mobile has.
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^^^^These two guys are soooooooooooooooo right.....All you did was eventually give yourself a vacation from Sprint...
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14 days to return on sprint so why would there be a problem.
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True but if you activate your new phone, they charge a 15% restocking fee to return it. Not willing to give them more of my money if I'm leaving.
I just feel like Sprint is raising fees here and there (premium data, TEP increase, etc) to compensate for their plan prices. T-Mobile for 2 lines at $169.99 would come out to the same as what I'm paying for Sprint after taxes.
I'm just so fed up with Sprint's data performance in Orlando. It's useless 90% of the time. One of the neat features of the SG3 (even though I'll rarely use it I'm sure), is the Picture-in-Picture ability and with Sprint, I know that'll be pretty much useless to us.
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You do realize that just forces roaming on Verizon and will get you kicked off of sprint if you use Verizon exclusively.
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First of all you're roaming, and second of all... still slower than what T-Mobile has.
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True and true. Only thing is that I have been using Verizon file since December and I use it pretty heavy with text and data. Really if they kick me off I'd be happy to try out that simple mobile
akarol, guess it comes down to what is more important speed or getting the sgs3 on sprint. i have been dissatisfied with sprint for ages, went to verizon to check them out and all they could do was sing the praises of the GN. so here in phoenix I ran speed test on the unit the dude had at the store and on 3g it was getting 3.5mpbs! only sprint's wet dream could even get that close. If it were me (and hopefully soon) I'd try and swing the sgs3 on tmob (or an unlocked one for simplemobile, they are looking good). Surely you have some stuff laying around that could pawn off on craigslist for that extra cash for the phone
Will Sprint's 4G LTE covering your area? I think you should give that a chance.
I get wimax pretty much everywhere I go where I live (Tri-Cities, WA) which isn't a big city or anything.. in fact, it's so small that they had to combine 3 towns just to call it a city, lol.
At any rate, I get anywhere from 5 to 10 mbps pretty much everywhere. The 3G speed IS pretty craptastic, but it's fast enough for buffer-free pandora/shoutcast stations and sync/app downloads. It all depends on your coverage area which you should research before signing a contract =)
So I have been horribly frustrated with sprints 3G speeds since I got my epic. I live in metro Detroit. (Fairly large sprint market) and have averaged around 50-75kbps DL. With a 600ms+ ping. And there is ZERO wimax anywhere. I was getting fed up. Until over the last month or so I have seen 600%+ increase in speeds. I now average closer to 500kbps DL with a 111ping. And I have even had consistent tests of 1mb DL. Could this be the first fruits of network vision? Or other tower upgrades? Or somehow less traffic. I had considered it could be the newer ROM/modem. (CM10/FH13). Has anyone else seen recent speed increases?
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So I have been horribly frustrated with sprints 3G speeds since I got my epic. I live in metro Detroit. (Fairly large sprint market) and have averaged around 50-75kbps DL. With a 600ms+ ping. And there is ZERO wimax anywhere. I was getting fed up. Until over the last month or so I have seen 600%+ increase in speeds. I now average closer to 500kbps DL with a 111ping. And I have even had consistent tests of 1mb DL. Could this be the first fruits of network vision? Or other tower upgrades? Or somehow less traffic. I had considered it could be the newer ROM/modem. (CM10/FH13). Has anyone else seen recent speed increases?
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yeah man here in st pete i finally saw a consistent 1 meg down and i was inside ( but near a window) the network map said theres about to be another speed increase here its usually a lie tho.... i doubt its anything permanent sprint fails im moving to straight talk once its all over but im supposed to have lte in my area at the end of my contract and i got employee plan pricing if i have lte at my house then ill keep them if not oh well. could network vision not just be a giant false marketing scheme?
edit well i just did a speed test and im back to the usual 300kbs lol lucky i pay a dial up price and get dial up service XD so i guess not. sprints the most useless unlimited ever. Even living in a wimax area the wimax sucks everywhere but the beach. ( where i dont even need wimax)
I have 5+ months horrible experience with Sprint 3G speed after last two days on roaming service came back this morning better than ever from 0.09Mbps download to 0.89Mbps download huge improvement sadly it last till this evening when service cut off came back horrible as always. :banghead:
At least I know they are working on it.
Arecibo, PR 00612
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Whatever spring says "network vision" is. Clearly they are trying to or want to improve their service. One area they are strong, customer service. But their tech(except phones) sucks. So the question for me is, just like the first guy who replied. Is if they can get LTE working by the time my contract is up. Or at least get 3g solidly above 1mb.. then I would stay no question.
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Whatever spring says "network vision" is. Clearly they are trying to or want to improve their service. One area they are strong, customer service. But their tech(except phones) sucks. So the question for me is, just like the first guy who replied. Is if they can get LTE working by the time my contract is up. Or at least get 3g solidly above 1mb.. then I would stay no question.
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+1, I have 1 year left on my contract. Next July I will re-evaluate sprint and see how things are going. If sprint stepped up to the plate then bonus I will stay but if its the same ol song and dance crap I am gone. Maybe this xmas I will do that re-evaluate of sprint and see what is up and just maybe I might buy off the rest of my contract, pay a etf and jump ship. But having to pay a extra 10 bucks a month just because of a smart phone crap aka 4g is bull**** considering sprint does not have wimax, 4g, lte or what ever here where I live and 3g is absolutly slower than dial up modem speeds.
Well Sprint Vision says that in the next 6 months a tower will basically be put in my backyard, according to their map. My contract is up in 12 months, I'll make a decision then.
I get 8kb/s out here in Toledo....
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Mine has picked up in some areas the past few weeks but its still crap in other areas and at random times. Its also still much slower than 3G from any other carrier. My Sprint 3G speeds are often similar to Tmobile Edge speeds I had 4 years ago but Edge was more consistent.
Every week my 3G speed changes, today I am getting less than 100kbps when last week or so I was getting almost 600. I am hoping this is due to them upgrading the towers and that is causing the inconsistencies.
Are you using updated maps to see this info or are you just using the maps on Sprint's website?
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So I have been horribly frustrated with sprints 3G speeds since I got my epic. I live in metro Detroit. (Fairly large sprint market) and have averaged around 50-75kbps DL. With a 600ms+ ping. And there is ZERO wimax anywhere. I was getting fed up. Until over the last month or so I have seen 600%+ increase in speeds. I now average closer to 500kbps DL with a 111ping. And I have even had consistent tests of 1mb DL. Could this be the first fruits of network vision? Or other tower upgrades? Or somehow less traffic. I had considered it could be the newer ROM/modem. (CM10/FH13). Has anyone else seen recent speed increases?
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Pretty sure they've actually, finally, started work on Network Vision for our area.
We're supposed to be apart of the network vision plan for the second half of 2012.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/
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Pretty sure they've actually, finally, started work on Network Vision for our area.
We're supposed to be apart of the network vision plan for the second half of 2012.
http://s4gru.com/index.php?/topic/212-network-visionlte-deployment-running-list/
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If they do manage to get LTE going by next summer I'll for sure stick around. Prolly with the 2nd nexus device if possible.
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If they do manage to get LTE going by next summer I'll for sure stick around. Prolly with the 2nd nexus device if possible.
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I practically guarantee they will by then.
Personally I'm more concerned about getting 3g speeds in the 1.5 - 3 mbps range and the improved service that comes with Network Vision.
Really couldn't care less for LTE/Wimax with that. :silly:
Same crappy speed here.
metro Detroit here too, and I haven't noticed any increase. For some reason my phone now roams constantly. Hopefully not so much that they terminate my contract and force me to jump on T-Mobiles new deal.
3G still sucks here ...
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Rob the plumber said:
metro Detroit here too, and I haven't noticed any increase. For some reason my phone now roams constantly. Hopefully not so much that they terminate my contract and force me to jump on T-Mobiles new deal.
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My friends from the bay area (California) started roaming when their towers were being upgraded so it could be a could sign. Here S4GRU website says you guys are should be upgraded soon:
S4GRU Detriot
I'm only with them for the price an unlimited...
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mrrogers12 said:
I'm only with them for the price an unlimited...
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That's what I'm saying. I'll stick it out for the prospect of unlimited 4g...
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Metro Detroit here as well... Get the FH13 modem, you won't be disappointed
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