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Why should I root my phone?

Is there a reason for me to root? Everyone is talking greek to me I am a complete noob when it comes to this. I have tethered my phone with no problems, I'm not really interested in overclocking. So is there any reason at all I would want to go through the headache of trying to figure all this stuff out and root my phone?

One of the major reasons I root is so I can use custom roms, edited versions of the stock os, that are modified to include different features and improve the speed of the device, others love rooting for the ability to customize anything you want to.
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While all those are valid, none of those exist; and even the current Root is not NAND write enabled.
After seeing all the problems in rooting combined with threads regarding phones REALLY acting up after, I would say ... don't root unless and until you see a custom ROM you like.
Personally, anything Rooting would get me, FroYo will get me too; and while a faster custom FroYo would get my attention; Verizon WILL release Froyo in 2010 at some point. I'll be waiting.

jdmba said:
Personally, anything Rooting would get me, FroYo will get me too; and while a faster custom FroYo would get my attention; Verizon WILL release Froyo in 2010 at some point. I'll be waiting.
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Just don't hold your breath! On the WinMo side, at least, they're a few quarters behind the OS update schedule, mainly thanks to HTC's Sense(less)UI. Since we have a layer of HTC stuff on top of Android, you can expect to wait just as long for 2.2.

aaronjb said:
Just don't hold your breath! On the WinMo side, at least, they're a few quarters behind the OS update schedule, mainly thanks to HTC's Sense(less)UI. Since we have a layer of HTC stuff on top of Android, you can expect to wait just as long for 2.2.
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I'd bet we'll have a FroYo port waaay before VZ pushes it out over the air. I think (!) HTC's Software Quality Assurance is more thorough (and slower than) Google's Quality Assurance, or at least Google would rather push an update out with fewer features whereas HTC will wait for all features to work. AFAIK, VZ has very little to add or subtract to the mix -- how long does it take to recompile against a new framework and kernel?

superflysmith said:
Is there a reason for me to root? Everyone is talking greek to me I am a complete noob when it comes to this. I have tethered my phone with no problems, I'm not really interested in overclocking. So is there any reason at all I would want to go through the headache of trying to figure all this stuff out and root my phone?
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If you have to ask, then you truly shouldn't be rooting your phone.

seanmcd72 said:
If you have to ask, then you truly shouldn't be rooting your phone.
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I haven't been trying. Just trying to see if it's even worth trying to figure out. At this point I see nothing that would make me want to anyhow.

seanmcd72 said:
If you have to ask, then you truly shouldn't be rooting your phone.
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Shoot first, call Verizon Warrant Department is my motto
Why, indeed! What else is there to do but constantly trying to break your phone with new mods?

rynosaur said:
Shoot first, call Verizon Warrant Department is my motto
Why, indeed! What else is there to do but constantly trying to break your phone with new mods?
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I miss messing with stuff... i came from a G1 were i was running a different rom every 3 days it seemed like.. i was constantly messing with things with it just for ****s and giggles
I do feel really locked down with the incredible in knowing that i cant really mess with anything, the only thing ive been able to change is the boot screen and put the nexus animation on that instead of the stupid verizon symbol.
Too be honest though nothings even wrong with my phone whatsoever... the OS is perfectly fine and does everything i want it too, i cant really complain about anything with the software on it now... its just that want to customize thats driving my desire to root.. moreso then any actual need as everything works fine

The WiFi tether and lamppu was good enough for me now until we get custom roms

An even better title for this thread would be
"Why is this in 'Development' and not in 'General'?"

kentoe said:
The WiFi tether and lamppu was good enough for me now until we get custom roms
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I'm with you there, those dual LED's are serious.

KB Smoka said:
I'm with you there, those dual LED's are serious.
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Omfg I know, right? I flashed them in my eyes accidentally and I was like holy crap, blinded me for about a minute.

m1k3- said:
An even better title for this thread would be
"Why is this in 'Development' and not in 'General'?"
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That would be a great title, you're right!!!

I got a froyo port going!
jdmba said:
While all those are valid, none of those exist; and even the current Root is not NAND write enabled.
After seeing all the problems in rooting combined with threads regarding phones REALLY acting up after, I would say ... don't root unless and until you see a custom ROM you like.
Personally, anything Rooting would get me, FroYo will get me too; and while a faster custom FroYo would get my attention; Verizon WILL release Froyo in 2010 at some point. I'll be waiting.
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I have released a froyo port method over at the "anyone want froyo" thread on the 8th page. I hope it helps anyone!

Joe92T said:
Too be honest though nothings even wrong with my phone whatsoever... the OS is perfectly fine and does everything i want it too, i cant really complain about anything with the software on it now... its just that want to customize thats driving my desire to root.. moreso then any actual need as everything works fine
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+1. There is not much that comes to mind with regard to things I'd like to improve with the DI. For example, the phone has more app storage than I could ever use, so there is no need for A2SD. And the processing speed is satisfying, so gaining OC'd kernel isn't a big priority. However, I simply miss being able to **** around with and compare various ROM's and mods, even if they are unneccessary on this device.

I have no real reason to root just yet, well then again I'm totally new to android, so I'm not exactly sure what rooting entails. All I want is stock 2.2 froyo, the day that is ported over to our phone is the day I will be rooted.
Can't wait..

kentoe said:
The WiFi tether and lamppu was good enough for me now until we get custom roms
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i agree, the wifi tether is what made me root now rather than later.

HELP..Will my 16gb card work?
if i go buy a 2gb card to root my phone can i use my 16gb when im done rooting or am i stuck with the 2gb?

langebart13 said:
if i go buy a 2gb card to root my phone can i use my 16gb when im done rooting or am i stuck with the 2gb?
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Absolutely....just need the POS 2GB to get ADB going.

HTC 'Nothing but Faults' Desire.

When I first got my desire back in July, I was over the moon with all these jam packed features and functions and that AMOLED screen not to mention my very first smart phone. That didn't last, ever since I moved to the HTC Desire it gives me nothing but grief, I can hardly use it due to its faults, either be it hardware or software based; Boot Loops, Boot Freeze, Inconsistency, On-board Low Memory, Overheating, Buggy that's just a few problems with it.
Trying to fix it by debranding to the HTC Stock ROM didn't solve any problems.
I think the time has come now to move on from my desire and chose another device other than HTC, preferably iPhone?
Please share your experiences regarding this device and what would you recommend as my next device.
-Deeco

Did you try rooting, S-OFF and installing a non-stock ROM? I know 3-4 people with a Desire and they are all stock and they all work immaculately.

I am not interested in using a Non-Stock ROM and I don't think that would make any difference. I was talking generally about the phone and the amount of flaws disadvantages it's self from reliability.

I am absolutely satisfied with HTC after using 3 different phones made by them in the past 3 years. iOS and Apple are great for dumb people.

Why didn't you bring it in for warranty? Freezes and reboots are not normal on an unrooted desire.
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Deeco7 said:
I am not interested in using a Non-Stock ROM and I don't think that would make any difference. I was talking generally about the phone and the amount of flaws disadvantages it's self from reliability.
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Maybe it's just a dodgy phone? A new ROM would amost certainly fix your issues providing they aren't hardware related. Have you tried to get it repaired using your warranty?

I came from an iPhone. iPhone get hotter than this phone.. you probably got a defective phone, mine works flawlessly...
And believe me, use this rom and you'll love it:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=741663

If you want to move to another phone look around go in shops there are many try an iPhone, Blackberry, or another phone. It's your choice no one can make that decision for you.

Ik Desire said:
Why didn't you bring it in for warranty? Freezes and reboots are not normal on an unrooted desire.
Sent from my HTC Desire using XDA App
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That would be the obvious thing to do, but I am unwilling to have my AMOLED screen replaced with a SLCD one, that's just me.
The phone is defective you guys are right but as explained I don't want the above scenario to occur.
TBH, the only reason one I metioned iPhone is because it has all the features I want 'Front face camera' etc besides the Signal Problem, I can jailbreak/mod the phone to my desire and needs.

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That would be the obvious thing to do, but I am unwilling to have my AMOLED screen replaced with a SLCD one, that's just me.
The phone is defective you guys are right but as explained I don't want the above scenario to occur.
TBH, the only reason one I metioned iPhone is because it has all the features I want 'Front face camera' etc besides the Signal Problem, I can jailbreak/mod the phone to my desire and needs.
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But you're not willing to root your Desire and flash a custom ROM?

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But you're not willing to root your Desire and flash a custom ROM?
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Like I mentioned above, I had rooted it but I consider flashing to a Custom ROM will make no difference whatsoever as my device is fault and unwilling to deliver to HTC under warranty due to screen replacement.

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Like I mentioned above, I had rooted it but I consider flashing to a Custom ROM will make no difference whatsoever as my device is fault and unwilling to deliver to HTC under warranty due to screen replacement.
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so, you're looking for an excuse to buy an iPhone, or you are making yourself a martir? You dont want to try a custom ROM, but dont want to change the phone neither... so what's the point of this thread?

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But you're not willing to root your Desire and flash a custom ROM?
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Good point. I'd rather be with an Android OS than iOS, but with that said I'm not going to go over the rigmarole of an Android Vs iOS Vs WP7 'discussion'.
If it was my phone I'd take the time to atleast root it and get Clockwork recovery installed and try a light Sense-based ROM to see if it is defective hardware or not.
What's even more simple than that is resetting the phone to factory defaults to see if the problems persist, have you given that a go?

netomx said:
so, you're looking for an excuse to buy an iPhone, or you are making yourself a martir? You dont want to try a custom ROM, but dont want to change the phone neither... so what's the point of this thread?
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Look, I'm not sure if I have phrased it wrong or something, but using a custom rom hadn't made any difference.

Deeco7 said:
Look, I'm not sure if I have phrased it wrong or something, but using a custom rom hadn't made any difference.
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Aye you did, if it still persists you've got a duff phone. Warranty is the best bet, get them to replace it, then stick with it or try another phone. As it's pointless using a defective device, it'd drive me up the wall.

netomx said:
... so what's the point of this thread?
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Exactly, so you've got a defective phone but won't RMA it, purely on the basis you'll get an LCD screen instead? Madness... Those early AMOLEDS are nothing to write home about too.

Deeco7 said:
Look, I'm not sure if I have phrased it wrong or something, but using a custom rom hadn't made any difference.
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I thought you didnt tried a custom ROM, my bad. Well, send it to repair, and then sell it in ebay and get an AMOLED one. If you're insterested, and if you live in USA, I got the A8181 version, and I want the A8183 (WCDMA 850), and I dont care to get a SLCD screen.

The SLCD's are actually more vibrant in colour, although I'd say the AMOLEDs are more efficient.

Kalavere said:
The SLCD's are actually more vibrant in colour, although I'd say the AMOLEDs are more efficient.
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Yet again, I have mentioned that I don't want to sacrifice my AMOLED screen for SLCD as I the AMOLED is what I payed for and is better in comparison. The Desire battery is bad as it is and adding SLCD will not do anygood.
I don't want to drift into that, a back to my first post.

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Yet again, I have mentioned that I don't want to sacrifice my AMOLED screen for SLCD as I the AMOLED is what I payed for and is better in comparison. The Desire battery is bad as it is and adding SLCD will not do anygood.
I don't want to drift into that, a back to my first post.
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Considering you are asking people for help, you are being very short and sharp with people and really aren't being too polite. That was a statement, I was retorting generally to sarge78's post about screens.

[Q] Should I experience problems while customizing Defy (locked bootloader)?

I'm an Android novice, never had an Android phone before. I like Motorola Defy but have some concerns, before considering buying it, as follows.
First thing: Getting rid of MotoBlur
MotoBlur software is cumbersome and unnecessary (fixed by flashing stock MB525 firmware)
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Second: dealing with locked bootloader (maybe a huge problem)
Locked bootloader means there wont be any custom ROMs for the phone until someone is able to get past it without bricking theirs.
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However, I've seen custom ROMs here, such as Defy: How to install Custom ROM, BlueGinger 2.3 UI ROM for Defy, etc.
The bootloader is what loads up the operating system in very simple terms. By locking or signing it, it means that we need to present Motorola's certificate every time we want to load a custom ROM/kernel.
Though what he says is true, you can still root the phone, install pseudo-custom ROMs (they are all right here in the forums) and do tons of other things.
This is still a great great phone though and probably the best in the market in my opinion.
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A friend wrote me this:
As I can see, it has MIUI, CM7, etc, the most important ROMs are already there, if it gets more popular, more ROMs will be available. Once you unlock bootloader, be careful not to lock it again, i.e. do not use the official update. I never had Defy, but I think it should be done relatively easily, maybe not easy as with HTC Desire, for instance.
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I found this on the forum:
Locked Bootloader means that you can't boot an unsigned Kernel.
All the Custom rom you can find for the Defy are made from official and signed ROM, no Kernel mods etc . (These are just mod of actual rom, non "new ROM" from AOSP i.e.)
That's why you can't have a full custom ROM with Custom Kernel (unless Motorola release a ROM with this Kernel signed)
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And this:
So what are the ways can we improve overall performance on the kernel level?
As of today you can't
Sorry. I don't like being the one that delivers bad news, but unfortunately for users due moto's locked bootloader policy, they have essentially locked us all out of the most valuable component of the computer technology we purchased. MOTO FAIL!
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Does it change something?
Correct me if I'm wrong, these custom ROMs are not really custom, since kernel part can not be changed. Does that affect speed & other customizations -- really do not know. Am I wrong?
Thank you for reading this. If you think Defy is too complicated you may suggest another phone in that price range (GSM, not CDMA, unlocked).

Is there a way to bypass dootloader?

owim said:
Is there a way to bypass dootloader?
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according to my habits it doesn't bother me to see moto logo every time , but living in android world (2.1) before getting the second update for a long time it's nasty.
so i think in case u wanna buy something real cool try to check htc daulboot which never has loader problem.
that's my personal opinion but comparing it's features (defy) to other similar releases (sony ericsson) or etc it's really cool , plus all add the reality of power of combining the processor requirement . 800 mhz to 1.2 ghz
so enjoy whith moto logo.

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these are some really good questions. I am in the same boat as the OP. Any replies to his questions would be great

moto says they are going to unlock the bootloader by year's end... hope they keep their promise.

Will they unlock all models or just the new ones? I am afraid i already know the answer to that question - "we dont know yet" .

I guess the answer is that customizing Defy everything would be more complicated than HTC Desire or Samsung Galaxy S.
I don't wanna spend days in playing with the phone, trying to get off Motoblur and put nice custom ROM.
So, I would move to Desire or Galaxy... even though I don't want to. Would you agree?

I'm on CM7, it's fast and stable, with good battery life, themes and much more.
As soon as camera gets completely fixed i will be able not to care at all about a locked bootloader!

owim said:
I guess the answer is that customizing Defy everything would be more complicated than HTC Desire or Samsung Galaxy S.
I don't wanna spend days in playing with the phone, trying to get off Motoblur and put nice custom ROM.
So, I would move to Desire or Galaxy... even though I don't want to. Would you agree?
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well..if you think customizing Defy is complicated so galaxy s will also be.
Desire has more stable roms an it is the right choose for who is interested in hard modding and for sure you will spend a whole day too

Mikis89 said:
I'm on CM7, it's fast and stable, with good battery life, themes and much more.
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So, you did find a way to bypass locked bootloader and all other stuff I don't really get, and have CM7 is up and running? Is it complicated? Is there a downside?
As soon as camera gets completely fixed i will be able not to care at all about a locked bootloader!
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What's wrong with camera?
menonino said:
well..if you think customizing Defy is complicated so galaxy s will also be.
Desire has more stable roms an it is the right choose for who is interested in hard modding and for sure you will spend a whole day too
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But Galaxy S does not have locked bootloader. I'm a total novice. Defy with CM7 sounds great, but how to get from standard Defy with Motoblur to CM7? As s novice? I am sure you can understand my perspective.
My final choice would be one of these: Defy, Desire or Galaxy S. I like Defy since is smaller and rigged. Knowing all that, care to share an advice? I'm a novice, never used Android before.

owim said:
So, you did find a way to bypass locked bootloader and all other stuff I don't really get, and have CM7 is up and running? Is it complicated? Is there a downside?
What's wrong with camera?
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Bootloader is still locked, but take a look here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1033654
I made it without problems, but i see many reports of bootloops etc...
Camera preview doesn't always match with the picture taken, at least in widescreen mode.
Just tried to use the "defy camera hack":
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1064124
Lost widescreen mode but pictures look much better.
Beside this no problems at all, it's stable, fast and battery last more than a single day with average use.

well the thing is for our phones *motorola* our boot loaders are locked but we are using pseudo roms. so mostly we have partial roms. no change in the kernel which have extra functions. all our roms are based on a leak or some official release from motorola. boot loops are mostly due to incorrect versions flashed on non down gradable versions or just a simple thing like a step over looked * most of our roms require a wipe, so dalvik and a factory restore is needed as some apps are incompatible when you flash*

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well the thing is for our phones *motorola* our boot loaders are locked but we are using pseudo roms. so mostly we have partial roms. no change in the kernel which have extra functions. all our roms are based on a leak or some official release from motorola. boot loops are mostly due to incorrect versions flashed on non down gradable versions or just a simple thing like a step over looked * most of our roms require a wipe, so dalvik and a factory restore is needed as some apps are incompatible when you flash*
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So what exactly "extra functions" does having an unlocked bootloader give you? from what I've seen I can't tell the difference

gladius999 said:
So what exactly "extra functions" does having an unlocked bootloader give you? from what I've seen I can't tell the difference
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what i meant was that we dont get the extra functions. what we get is more or less cosmetic changes and some mods

My advice: Buy Defy and enjoy it! (trust me, you will enjoy it)
Keep it stock for few days to make sure that everything is ok with it and to reach max battery potential (3-4 times 0-100% & 100-0%) and after go for any ROM you want, they all are great (I am using barebones and i can tell you that this is 120% working)

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My advice: Buy Defy and enjoy it! (trust me, you will enjoy it)
Keep it stock for few days to make sure that everything is ok with it and to reach max battery potential (3-4 times 0-100% & 100-0%) and after go for any ROM you want, they all are great (I am using barebones and i can tell you that this is 120% working)
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well said. also barebones is really bare. so have fun customizing and installing your apps to your preference

reaperzero said:
what i meant was that we dont get the extra functions. what we get is more or less cosmetic changes and some mods
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lol what i meant to ask was what cool functions do we miss out on which unlocked bootloaders have?

Best way

Hi all
Just got an Inc 2. why else would I be posting here ,,,, anyhow I gotta have root mainly just to remove bloat, really undecided on which way though, HTC unlock or a full S off through the downgrade revolutionary method, I'm not realy a flashaholic, I would like to be able to use set CPU or the likes, for battery savings and maybe a little overclocking, phone seems pretty responsive if you ask me just coming from an Eris but I haven't loaded any apps on it yet either, heck I haven't even activated it yet (guess it's a little hard to let Ginger go ) I'd post a screen shot of her but she's a little shy.
So what's everyone thoughts on this if you had just recieved a brand new Incredible 2, with 2.3.4 Gingerbread, 5.10.605.9, 2.6.35.9 kernel; and now the news of Official ICS update soon to be released which way would you go to root HTC or S off?
Can you overclock/undervolt stock kernel?
Is it possible to flash a different kernel?
Any and all input on this will be greatly appriciated, Thanks In Advance

JRngln said:
Hi all
Just got an Inc 2. why else would I be posting here ,,,, anyhow I gotta have root mainly just to remove bloat, really undecided on which way though, HTC unlock or a full S off through the downgrade revolutionary method, I'm not realy a flashaholic, I would like to be able to use set CPU or the likes, for battery savings and maybe a little overclocking, phone seems pretty responsive if you ask me just coming from an Eris but I haven't loaded any apps on it yet either, heck I haven't even activated it yet (guess it's a little hard to let Ginger go ) I'd post a screen shot of her but she's a little shy.
So what's everyone thoughts on this if you had just recieved a brand new Incredible 2, with 2.3.4 Gingerbread, 5.10.605.9, 2.6.35.9 kernel; and now the news of Official ICS update soon to be released which way would you go to root HTC or S off?
Can you overclock/undervolt stock kernel?
Is it possible to flash a different kernel?
Any and all input on this will be greatly appriciated, Thanks In Advance
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You're gonna wanna downgrade and s-off. It's easier to flash ROMs, also you can flash radios that way. It's a slightly longer process to do so, but its worth not spending extra time when flashing ROMs. Mainly because you have to flash the kernel in fastboot if you use HTC unlock.
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Thanks for your quick response, thats just it I'm not realy a flashaholic and if I see a rom that I would like to flash, a little extra work wouldn't bother me stability speed and no issues have presedence for me, not worried about look at what I got, just overall balanced goodness

JRngln said:
Thanks for your quick response, thats just it I'm not realy a flashaholic and if I see a rom that I would like to flash, a little extra work wouldn't bother me stability speed and no issues have presedence for me, not worried about look at what I got, just overall balanced goodness
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As far as that goes, you'll see no difference in performance. So, just as far as easier to setup, I'd go with s-off.
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tylerlawhon said:
As far as that goes, you'll see no difference in performance. So, just as far as easier to setup, I'd go with s-off.
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My brain is all befuddled now with all the reading I've been doing and I forget does downgrading revert the radio?

JRngln said:
My brain is all befuddled now with all the reading I've been doing and I forget does downgrading revert the radio?
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It doesn't. It downgrades the hboot version. Now, if you s-off, you can flash any radio you wish. The recommended one is either the latest .1111 or .0722.
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It doesn't. It downgrades the hboot version. Now, if you s-off, you can flash any radio you wish. The recommended one is either the latest .1111 or .0722.
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Yes I have the latest.1111 with 2.3.4 Gingerbread, 5.10.605.9, kernel 2.6.35.9, it downgrades more than just the hboot doesn't it? I thought it downgraded the whole OS.

It will put you back to 2.2 or 2.3 I think but it does not affect radio. You van then flaws one of the rooms based off the latest stock update ( what you have) if that's what you want. Also, you can't oc stock kernel, use dresdills 21. Also if u use the HTC method you are guaranteed void warranty cause they know what you done. If you use other method you can revert to completely stock if you need too and they will never know if you need to because of hardware issues. Charging ports have been known to go bad so I would keep that in mind...
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It will put you back to 2.2 or 2.3 I think but it does not affect radio. You van then flaws one of the rooms based off the latest stock update ( what you have) if that's what you want. Also, you can't oc stock kernel, use dresdills 21. Also if u use the HTC method you are guaranteed void warranty cause they know what you done. If you use other method you can revert to completely stock if you need too and they will never know if you need to because of hardware issues. Charging ports have been known to go bad so I would keep that in mind...
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Yes I've heard about that kernel, I'm pretty sure that once you root they know it cause all there tracking, or most of there tracking software goes offline for them, and they know that the only reason, for the most part, that the phone dissapeared is root. I thought htc unlock still gave you a warranty although more limitted. And yes I learned from the Eris when the phone is on the charger be extra extra carefull with it, even if it meens don't touch it.

Root doesn't take out anything, and I'm not sure what tracking your referring to anyways. The only way anything would be took out is if you do it, or the rom you install does. If they know you done it, and you think it may be more limited, that's just a way of saying now we have a reason to deny you anytime we feel like it. But if your set on that, do it, not gonna argue its your phone could care less, you wanted opinions you got it, either way good luck...
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Root doesn't take out anything, and I'm not sure what tracking your referring to anyways. The only way anything would be took out is if you do it, or the rom you install does. If they know you done it, and you think it may be more limited, that's just a way of saying now we have a reason to deny you anytime we feel like it. But if your set on that, do it, not gonna argue its your phone could care less, you wanted opinions you got it, either way good luck...
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I never said that root in and of itself took out anything, it's the stuff we take out once we root. Your not sure what tracking I'm referring to, Look up Carrier IQ .
I charged this phone turned it on bypassed activation shut off the networks just to play around with it and it was still reporting network traffic, How, Why?
This phone has the ability to get past the switch thats thrown when you shut off your data connections. I did just activate the phone, I had forgot to turn data back on before doing so, but it didn't matter; after phone booted up and was settling in I saw the 3g icon pop up in the status bar, thats what reminded me, [I thought I shut that off] and sure enough it was still off, yet it still sent data, but where to? I'm not set on anything yet, yes I'm trying to get many opinions and I thank you for your input this phones been out for a while now and many things have changed since it was first released, like ICS, and htc unlock of the hboot. Much of the activity about rooting this phone is a year or more old and with the deals and such that are being thrown around now to move the remaning stock off shelves there will be ( I'm sure ) many newcomers to the phone and this forum so an updated collection of thoughts on this I figured would be welcome especially if there was some input from the veterans of this phone. And again thank you

JRngln said:
I never said that root in and of itself took out anything, it's the stuff we take out once we root. Your not sure what tracking I'm referring to, Look up Carrier IQ .
I charged this phone turned it on bypassed activation shut off the networks just to play around with it and it was still reporting network traffic, How, Why?
This phone has the ability to get past the switch thats thrown when you shut off your data connections. I did just activate the phone, I had forgot to turn data back on before doing so, but it didn't matter; after phone booted up and was settling in I saw the 3g icon pop up in the status bar, thats what reminded me, [I thought I shut that off] and sure enough it was still off, yet it still sent data, but where to? I'm not set on anything yet, yes I'm trying to get many opinions and I thank you for your input this phones been out for a while now and many things have changed since it was first released, like ICS, and htc unlock of the hboot. Much of the activity about rooting this phone is a year or more old and with the deals and such that are being thrown around now to move the remaning stock off shelves there will be ( I'm sure ) many newcomers to the phone and this forum so an updated collection of thoughts on this I figured would be welcome especially if there was some input from the veterans of this phone. And again thank you
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Our phones dont have carrier IQ...

Zax_Was_Here said:
Our phones dont have carrier IQ...
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Are you sure? And I hope your right . Still our privacy is being taken away from us more and more each and every day

JRngln said:
Are you sure? And I hope your right . Still our privacy is being taken away from us more and more each and every day
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verizon htc phones do not have any CIQ at all (at least as of gb)

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verizon htc phones do not have any CIQ at all (at least as of gb)
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I know that that's what they had said Officially But I OFFICIALLY have my doubts . Have you ever checked it out with the app?

JRngln said:
I know that that's what they had said Officially But I OFFICIALLY have my doubts . Have you ever checked it out with the app?
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as a matter of fact yes i have, our stock rom 5.xx is clean
the ports may or may not have it (depending if it was cleaned out or not by individual dev) but since its not running on the phone/carrier it was meant to, it wouldnt properly function
honestly i never really cared that much, i think the ciq drama was blown out of proportion

nitsuj17 said:
as a matter of fact yes i have, our stock rom 5.xx is clean
the ports may or may not have it (depending if it was cleaned out or not by individual dev) but since its not running on the phone/carrier it was meant to, it wouldnt properly function
honestly i never really cared that much, i think the ciq drama was blown out of proportion
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I'm glad to hear that.
Blown out of proportion? Not really, Think about it you send someone a text messg and CIQ knew what the text said BEFORE your intended recipient even recieved it,....... before you even sent it!

JRngln said:
I'm glad to hear that.
Blown out of proportion? Not really, Think about it you send someone a text messg and CIQ knew what the text said BEFORE your intended recipient even recieved it,....... before you even sent it!
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idk, doesnt really affect me...but the Sprint guys were all up in arms about it...mabye if i had a phone that it was an issue on id care more

Anyways, I flashed a custom ROM and CIQ would be gone anyways. I think nowadays we have to realize that we are going to always be tracked in some way.

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I'm pretty sure that once you root they know it cause all there tracking, or most of there tracking software goes offline for them, and they know that the only reason, for the most part, that the phone dissapeared is root.
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Yep, I checked, it appears you did say that, but anyways... things are easier with the s off alpha rev x method but the other way will work too so whatever floats your boat...
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[Q] To root or not to root that is the Question

I am seriously agonizing over whether or not to root my HOX, I have had a desire and rooted and flashed it to within an inch of its life and never had an issue, and its still going strong and running Shaky153's new ICS Sense rom.
My only concern is that I am unsure whether the HOX is as technically or physically robust as the Desire, and I keep getting the impression that it could breakdown at anytime, I'm not too bothered about physical damage as the phone is insured, but if it has to be returned to HTC I'm F*!£^%.
Please someone help me make this decision, should I root, if so why?
If not why?

Its totally up to you mate, but I will say that I had my HOX rooted a couple hours after purchasing it! And I love it!!

your decision mate...or wait for S-OFF..if you have a solid handset and no defects or issues with software then i would unlock it as by rooting this bad boy is the whole point of getting this phone. just do not forget about the bad stuff like voiding warranty though there is a couple of threads regarding this issue in the general section have a read through before unlocking...
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I am seriously agonizing over whether or not to root my HOX, I have had a desire and rooted and flashed it to within an inch of its life and never had an issue, and its still going strong and running Shaky153's new ICS Sense rom.
My only concern is that I am unsure whether the HOX is as technically or physically robust as the Desire, and I keep getting the impression that it could breakdown at anytime, I'm not too bothered about physical damage as the phone is insured, but if it has to be returned to HTC I'm F*!£^%.
Please someone help me make this decision, should I root, if so why?
If not why?
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I would wait for s-off. I'm not going to fiddle with mine until that is achieved. In the meantime, my desire will handle my flash addiction .

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If not why?
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You do know that it voids warranty, right ??
If you just got it, then wait at least a week, test everything properly and make sure there aren't any hardware faults/manufacturing defects.

I have always rooted my devices after few hours of purchases. Except this one x. I actually cant wait to try custom roms and use root apps like i always do but sense 4 is beautiful and enough to keep me away from modifying it. So i think, i can wait for s-off. Plus, hearing the defects here and there, it would actually worth it to wait. I only have this device for 5 days so nothing to be rushed.
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I would
It's totally up to you but I would root just for some root apps (completely remove system apps, etc.). You should always be able to unroot.

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will handle my flash addiction .
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I'm starting to have withdrawals.....lol. My head is just going... I need to flash, I need to flash, and it's really getting hard not to be tempted and wait for S-OFF.

I wasn't planning to root but I'm tempted to now just for the sake of 2 things, the 3dot menu remover patch and the font changer.
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iximages said:
Its totally up to you mate, but I will say that I had my HOX rooted a couple hours after purchasing it! And I love it!!
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hahaha. same here. I'm still new to the flashing rom even using android phones (Coming from iOS) and yet i took the risk of rooting it and applying custom roms. ARHD is the best!!!