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[Q] AT&T Tilt2 on T-Mobile no 3G or HSDPA only Edge

Looked everywhere but have only found a few comments mainly regarding the AT&T network.
I have a AT&T branded Tilt-2 with TP2_Core_Cell_Evo_V3.1_(23127) and am on the T-mobile network.
In my area we have HSDPA and 3G, and my HTC 3G Dash shows those connections and runs from 583K up to 898K.
My Tilt2 on the other hand runs between 36K and a max of 156K (usually its under 50K)
I have tried everything and a ton of different radios and nothing seems to help.
I can't believe I am the only one, and I am sure its in the forum but I havent been able to find it and I have been looking for 2 days now. Does ANYONE know if there is a solution to this or am I stuck with a great looking phone and ROM that is slower than my old HTC Universal.
So I am starting this thread with the keywords in the title to help others find the info/help/cab/settings to fix this issue.
Any help would be appreciated..
Charles

Can I assume from the deafening silence that there is no solution and this would be why I couldn't find anything when I was searching all over the forums.

I thought AT&T and T-mobile use different bands for their 3G...haven't met anyone yet that can switch between these two and get the others' 3G service to work on the phone from the other...only Edge.

Yep, 3G are are different bands and AT&T's unique.
Most likely, hardware limit and T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 version is what you wanted.
However, for my Tilt 2, I use AT&T Prepaid Pay-as-you-go and get full 3G service and for $20 get 30 days of 100MB data at full speed. The Pay-as-you-go offers a $3.00 per day for unlimited calls during 24 hour period when you choose plan.

But the settings on the phone even show the 2100MHZ band and other stuff.. thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks. I guess that must mean the phones are but not the data portion of the phone.
So it would seem I have a really nice looking phone thats about as functional as a Windows 7 computer with a 56K dialup modem. Great...
Anyone on AT&T and have a T-mobile Touch Pro2 that they would like to swap with me.

when you talk about gsm (gprs/edge/2g), there are 4 bands and pretty much all devices can work on those. when it comes to umts (3g/hspa encap) thats where proprietary bands come in. word wide you will have the 900 and 2100 bands, att uses the 850 and 1900 bands, and tmobile uses 1700. what bands a phone is capable of running on depends on the baseband hardware in the phone. theres no way to change this without basically swapping the phone out for the carrier branded device.
cdma like sprint and verizon is another monster...

cdgoin said:
thought quad band phones were useable on all GSM networks.
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They do, but working and working optimally are 2 different things. You should always buy a phone to work on the network you use regularly, and be happy it works at all on others when you travel.

Live and learn..
I wonder if anyone out there in the community has a TouchPro2 that they got for use on AT&T and would like to swap..?
Charles

Can't get 3G Either
I'm using an unlocked HTC Touch Pro 2 (Euro Version) on T-Mobile and can only get Edge. The funny hting is that T-mobile is stumped on the issue even though they've seen that I'm using an HTC Touch Pro 2, not the branded T-Mo version. I just started looking into hardware differences tonight and will post whatever I find. I'm glad you started the thread.

T-Mobile HSPA bands
Just confirmed my suspicions.
The branded T-Mobile Touch Pro 2 operates on HSPA/WCDMA on the following bands: 1700/2100 MHz.
The HTC Touch Pro 2 (unbranded) operates on HSPA/WCDMA: 900/2100 MHz.
So, if you want 3G, you need to stick with the T-Mobile branded phone.
Wow...I never thought I'd hear myself saying those words. *sigh* =(

I actually have a t-mobile branded HTC Touch Pro 2 I use on ATT, if you really wanna swap I'm totally down for that. My email is [email protected] shoot me a message and lets work out how to go about this.

T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy S II does not pick up HSPA in Europe, but my HTC G2 does, WHY

Hi guys, I'm currently in Europe right now, I have with me both my brand new TMO GS2 (I had TMO unlock it prior to my trip) but I also brought with me my trusty old TMO HTC G2 as a back-up phone.
I purchased a prepaid sim card here. Sim card already has the APN setting pre-loaded. When I pop it into my G2 I get full HSPA signal and getting 3 mb/s download on SpeedTest, but when I pop the same sim into my TM GS2, it only picks up EDGE with speeds of 200 kb/s download.
I did the "connect to WCDMA only" in the mobile networks setting and then I get no data at all, only phone signal.
I'm baffled since both phones has the same HSPA bands (HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 2100) actually the G2 doesn't even have the 850Mhz band.
Anyone have an idea whats happening and how I can get it to connect to HSPA? I'm here for a month and would really like to use my phone at full speed.
THANKS!

hmmm...That's really weird. What's the SIM card carrier?

ungarisch said:
Hi guys, I'm currently in Europe right now, I have with me both my brand new TMO GS2 (I had TMO unlock it prior to my trip) but I also brought with me my trusty old TMO HTC G2 as a back-up phone.
I purchased a prepaid sim card here. Sim card already has the APN setting pre-loaded. When I pop it into my G2 I get full HSPA signal and getting 3 mb/s download on SpeedTest, but when I pop the same sim into my TM GS2, it only picks up EDGE with speeds of 200 kb/s download.
I did the "connect to WCDMA only" in the mobile networks setting and then I get no data at all, only phone signal.
I'm baffled since both phones has the same HSPA bands (HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 2100) actually the G2 doesn't even have the 850Mhz band.
Anyone have an idea whats happening and how I can get it to connect to HSPA? I'm here for a month and would really like to use my phone at full speed.
THANKS!
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Contact samsung or tmobile
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Contact samsung or tmobile
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TMO customer service has gone to **** over the last year, ever since they moved the call center to the Philippines, its just a bunch of under qualified and under educated clown working there. Last time I called in a tech told me to switch off my phone for 2 hours and when I turned it back on it would work. Seriously?
Anyways..
Orange, Romania is the Mobile Operator, which I'm pretty sure runs 3G on UMTS2100, which this phone has, and so does my HTC G2
My phone currently is running on the de-CIQ'd stock ROM that I got from the developer forum.
I assume the roms has the stock kernel and radio in it. Does the kernel or radio control mobile data? Could switching kernels or radios possibly solve this?
This is kind of a big deal no? I'm sure I'm not the only person that would like to use 3G overseas!

see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Romania
3G only on 900 Mhz or 2100 Mhz
so maybe the area you were in, did not have the 2100 Mhz tower, and only the 900 Mhz towers

AllGamer said:
see here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Romania
3G only on 900 Mhz or 2100 Mhz
so maybe the area you were in, did not have the 2100 Mhz tower, and only the 900 Mhz towers
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Agreed this is most likely. 2100 is NEWER in most GSM countries.

I don't get any outsourced customer service. You're likely 1) Prepaid/Flexpay 2) calling in too much 3) showing out on the phone with the reps

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Agreed this is most likely. 2100 is NEWER in most GSM countries.
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but then I dont understand why my HTC G2 gets 3G?? would it have the 900mhz then even tho its not published?
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I don't get any outsourced customer service. You're likely 1) Prepaid/Flexpay 2) calling in too much 3) showing out on the phone with the reps
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I switched to Monthly4G service as ATT&T insurance...
This can only mean one thing then, the GSII was never supposed to work in europe, and that the HTC G2 and the HTC Desire Z have the same internals and are triband 900/1700/2100 phones.
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=3518&idPhone2=3421

[Q] Can the HTC One X be used with T-Mobile?

Hi, I was just wondering if the HTC One X (Unlocked) be used with T-Mobile, because I'm currently using a Samsung Galaxy S2 (Hercules) and the lack of ICS is pi**ing me off, I miss my HTC Sensation in which I had ICS months ago; I don't think T-mobile is planning on releasing ICS for the SGS2 somewhere near the future.
For now I'm stuck between Samsung Galaxy Nexus, Galaxy Note and The HTC One X but I don't know if either of the will work on T-Mobile . Can someone please let me know. Sorry for my english.

What country are you in?

DomCowell said:
What country are you in?
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Puerto Rico I travel a lot to the states as I work for U.S Deparment of Defense.

This is a very good question. Tmobile claims to use 1700/2100 band for 3g/4g
The specs for the ONE X are : WCDMA/HSPA 850/900/1900//2100 MHz
And GPRS/EDGE/GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
From this information I am unsure whether it will be fully compatible. These numbers look more like an ATT phone than tmobile. Im assuming it will work with edge but 4g is most likely not going to happen. I ordered a one x and intend on using it with t-mobile, so it would definately be beneficial if someone was confident it would work on tmobiles network. Hopefully someone will have one and test it on tmobiles network before I get mine in the mail.

420kushking said:
This is a very good question. Tmobile claims to use 1700/2100 band for 3g/4g
The specs for the ONE X are : WCDMA/HSPA 850/900/1900//2100 MHz
And GPRS/EDGE/GSM 850/900/1800/1900 MHz
From this information I am unsure whether it will be fully compatible. These numbers look more like an ATT phone than tmobile. Im assuming it will work with edge but 4g is most likely not going to happen. I ordered a one x and intend on using it with t-mobile, so it would definately be beneficial if someone was confident it would work on tmobiles network. Hopefully someone will have one and test it on tmobiles network before I get mine in the mail.
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420kushking is correct regarding the spectrums.
However, there are reports that T-Mo iPhone users were able to use 3G on T-Mo network. I've also checked T-Mo spectrums, PCS 1900 mhz 3G spectrums are available on T-Mo on areas in the US. If you're planning to use T-Mo and plan to get the phone, you should probably call T-Mo to see if 1900 mhz is available in the areas you'll be going to most often and make sure that you'll be able to get 3G coverage on your phone. If you ask if the phone will work on T-Mo, the customer service will probably say something like the phone will work on T-Mo but they can't guarantee if the 3G will work on the phone. So it's better to ask of the spectrum is available instead, that might be a safer bet. Even tho the spectrum may be available, but that probably doesn't mean that the 3G will definitely work. These are just some information for you to consider.
I'm also planning to get a One X to use on T-Mo, and hopefully what they say about the 1900 mhz spectrums are true. I couldn't test the 1900 mhz spectrum on my Desire HD because of the 900/2100 bands on the phone.

yes it will work..

hello00 said:
yes it will work..
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Do you have one ?
could you snapshot your screen?

hello00 said:
yes it will work..
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Well yeah it will work but will it be able to utilize the 4g network I think is the question here. I have already pre-ordered the one X unlocked version and I do have tmobile. I will be doing extensive data speed tests when I get the One X, but I do not expect anything better than an EDGE connection on T-mobiles network.
To me this is a big deal because if the One X does not work with 4g on tmobile, It also wont work with 4g on ATT because its the Tegra 3 version, and if you have been looking at specs the tegra 3 unlocked version does NOT support LTE... If I dont get the speeds I need then it will end up on eBay.

420kushking said:
Well yeah it will work but will it be able to utilize the 4g network I think is the question here. I have already pre-ordered the one X unlocked version and I do have tmobile. I will be doing extensive data speed tests when I get the One X, but I do not expect anything better than an EDGE connection on T-mobiles network.
To me this is a big deal because if the One X does not work with 4g on tmobile, It also wont work with 4g on ATT because its the Tegra 3 version, and if you have been looking at specs the tegra 3 unlocked version does NOT support LTE... If I dont get the speeds I need then it will end up on eBay.
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The one x will get 4G speeds on att. "4G" as in HSPA+ not LTE. So you'll get decent speeds, just not LTE speeds. I Wouldn't bet that the one x will work on tmobiles 3G networks let alone their 4G networks. Edge seems about right.

Thanks to you all for answering my question, I was about to pre-order it on when I read that it was "Sim-free", what does that mean, does that mean it has no sim card slot. Im kinda confused here.

Never mind after a bit or reading I've learned that sim-free means it comes with ail, but it does has sim card slot.
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SIM-Free means you can use whatever network uses GSM

I don't think the One X will support Tmobile AWS band. The only hope for this phone to work on Tmobile 3G/4G is if Tmobile has switched 3G/4G over to the 1900 band in your area.
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Realistically? No, since it doesn't support the AWS Band (1700 AND 2100).
However, if you live in an area when TMo has deployed the 1900 band, it will work. If you live in that area, that is.
Also, "sim-free" means it comes straight from the manufacturer, without a carrier's SIM card.

Funk2641 said:
Realistically? No, since it doesn't support the AWS Band (1700 AND 2100).
However, if you live in an area when TMo has deployed the 1900 band, it will work. If you live in that area, that is.
Also, "sim-free" means it comes straight from the manufacturer, without a carrier's SIM card.
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Nope 1700mhz/2100mhz in here... Sad but true

I was looking for the specs at gsmarena and I found that the at&t versions supports the following bands:
2G Network
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network
HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100
I'm not too familiar with this subject but I believe that T-Mobile uses 1700/2100mhz, does this means the At&t is a true candidate for T-Mobile Compatibility?

ajtorres14 said:
I was looking for the specs at gsmarena and I found that the at&t versions supports the following bands:
2G Network
GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network
HSDPA 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100
4G Network
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100
I'm not too familiar with this subject but I believe that T-Mobile uses 1700/2100mhz, does this means the At&t is a true candidate for T-Mobile Compatibility?
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I think the version of the phone you would be referring to is the one X att version, It has a dual core qualcomm s4 krait instead of the tegra 3 processor. There is some debate over the performance of the krait vs the tegra 3. I know from a benchmark video that the tegra 3 outperformed the transformer prime. I think the krait outperformed the tegra 3 though by a bit. I ordered the unlocked one x that has the tegra 3 so it doesnt support tmobile 4g or att 4g based off the specs. When I get it I will test on both networks. My concern is that since I ordered the tegra 3 version, it wont be supported by ATT 4g OR t-mobile 4g. We will see I guess.

420kushking said:
I think the version of the phone you would be referring to is the one X att version, It has a dual core qualcomm s4 krait instead of the tegra 3 processor. There is some debate over the performance of the krait vs the tegra 3. I know from a benchmark video that the tegra 3 outperformed the transformer prime. I think the krait outperformed the tegra 3 though by a bit. I ordered the unlocked one x that has the tegra 3 so it doesnt support tmobile 4g or att 4g based off the specs. When I get it I will test on both networks. My concern is that since I ordered the tegra 3 version, it wont be supported by ATT 4g OR t-mobile 4g. We will see I guess.
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One X will support AT&T on 3G/4G for HSPA+ but not LTE. AT&T uses 850 and 1900 band for 3G/4G on HSPA+.
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NardVa said:
One X will support AT&T on 3G/4G for HSPA+ but not LTE. AT&T uses 850 and 1900 band for 3G/4G on HSPA+.
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Ok good to know. Does anyone have information about speed tests on their regular 4g network? Is the LTE that much faster to where it would be worth it to invest in an LTE based less storage model? I have both att and T-mobile but I think the 4g on t-mobile is faster based off my speed tests. I do NOT have an LTE device to test the differences. I am in Los Angeles/ Orange county area.

I'm considering switching to T-Mobile with an unlocked One X, and appreciate the info in this thread. One question: some are saying it will work with HSPA+ on ATT. Will the phone roam to ATT if it sees an EDGE network in range, or will I be stuck with the lower speed? Oh, and does TMob charge for data roaming to ATT HSPA+?

[Q] Use Optimus G Pro on Wind Mobile in Canada

Hey Guys,
I noticed that the AT&T OGPro accepts the frequencies:
LTE 700 MHz Class 17 / 1700 / 2100 - for AT&T
HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100 - for AT&T
That being said, Wind Mobile here in Canada needs the 1700 and 2100 frequencies to work. I've gotten a Galaxy Note from AT&T to work on Wind before, but required some modified radio modems.
Would you guys expect the OGPro to work with Wind without any modifications just based on the phone being able to use these frequencies (as long as it is unlocked)?
Thanks for the advice in advance
James

I'm not on wind, but I just got the phone from New York, unlocked it and using it on fido/rogers. I'm getting full lte, all you need is the right apn settings. Check winds supported frequency, I believe there's is aws, not sure if it supports 1700/2100.

socacola said:
I'm not on wind, but I just got the phone from New York, unlocked it and using it on fido/rogers. I'm getting full lte, all you need is the right apn settings. Check winds supported frequency, I believe there's is aws, not sure if it supports 1700/2100.
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Alright that sounds good! How do you like it? Good feel? I'm gonna pick mine up from Buffalo tmr hopefully. Thanks!

jdantow said:
Alright that sounds good! How do you like it? Good feel? I'm gonna pick mine up from Buffalo tmr hopefully. Thanks!
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The phone is great. So far the only things I don't like is the at&t address book that pops up when you go into contacts, you can't turn this off, I had to root it to turn it off. Also there is a new update, which you can't download because the phone isn't registered to an at&t account, I'm hoping there is a way around this. The loudspeaker is a little weak, and I find that the wifi connection is really weak, not sure why that is, on my HTC one with speed test I get 20mbps download, from the exact same spot I get 3 mbps, I'm not sure why. That's all the cons I have so far. Everything else is amazing.

[Q] Question: Galaxy S Tab 10.5 Wifi LTE USA/International

Here may be another stupid question, But Not even Samsung them selfs on the USA Department couldnt answer this, So let me explain a few things before I ask, so that you may understand what I may be talking about..
I have 2 Samsung galaxy S Tab's 10.5
One is 32gb Wifi Bought from Best Buy (T800)
The other is 16gb Wifi LTE International (T805) Unlocked.
From what I understand the International version will not support 4G on T-Mobile or most any carrier in USA do to the supported Signal.
What I want to know is, Whats the diffrents between the International and the Local USA version when it comes to the LTE. I cant find anything that tells me what I want to know.
From what I can see, is the signals ranges are the same as the USA version. but maybe I am reading it wrong,
When I check out the hardware with diffrent apps that support that. it pretty much shows the two being the same except for a few things that dont seem to matter.
So to make a long story short,, I just want to know what the diffrents is between the LTE Local USA and the LTE International version.

Eliminater74 said:
Here may be another stupid question, But Not even Samsung them selfs on the USA Department couldnt answer this, So let me explain a few things before I ask, so that you may understand what I may be talking about..
I have 2 Samsung galaxy S Tab's 10.5
One is 32gb Wifi Bought from Best Buy (T800)
The other is 16gb Wifi LTE International (T805) Unlocked.
From what I understand the International version will not support 4G on T-Mobile or most any carrier in USA do to the supported Signal.
What I want to know is, Whats the diffrents between the International and the Local USA version when it comes to the LTE. I cant find anything that tells me what I want to know.
From what I can see, is the signals ranges are the same as the USA version. but maybe I am reading it wrong,
When I check out the hardware with diffrent apps that support that. it pretty much shows the two being the same except for a few things that dont seem to matter.
So to make a long story short,, I just want to know what the diffrents is between the LTE Local USA and the LTE International version.
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1. I believe the USA specific versions are voice crippled so you cannot make voice calls.
2. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
The frequencies supported by T-Mob USA for LTE are....
1700/2100 MHz LTE 4G In Service/Building out Covers 250 million POPs as of October, 2014
700 MHz Block A LTE 4G A-block rollout has begun, and several devices already support this frequency.
1900 MHz PCS LTE 4G In Service/Building out Primarily used for a quick rollout of rural LTE as sites contain a pre-existing GSM antenna
3. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S_10.5
The frequencies supported by the International 10.5 Tab S are
800/850/900/1800/2100/2600
As you can see the only 'common' frequency is the 2100 Mhz set which 'should' cover the bulk of Urban USA however there may be specific signalling that T-Mob require to allow devices to access that frequency.
Hope this helps

If you have LTE version you be able to call through google hangouts dialer. I do it on n7 LTE. And the app.
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pinsb said:
1. I believe the USA specific versions are voice crippled so you cannot make voice calls.
2. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_US#Radio_frequency_spectrum_chart
The frequencies supported by T-Mob USA for LTE are....
1700/2100 MHz LTE 4G In Service/Building out Covers 250 million POPs as of October, 2014
700 MHz Block A LTE 4G A-block rollout has begun, and several devices already support this frequency.
1900 MHz PCS LTE 4G In Service/Building out Primarily used for a quick rollout of rural LTE as sites contain a pre-existing GSM antenna
3. According to here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samsung_Galaxy_Tab_S_10.5
The frequencies supported by the International 10.5 Tab S are
800/850/900/1800/2100/2600
As you can see the only 'common' frequency is the 2100 Mhz set which 'should' cover the bulk of Urban USA however there may be specific signalling that T-Mob require to allow devices to access that frequency.
Hope this helps
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I want to thank you very much. I really did search around to try and understand. but when it comes to the carrier LTE stuff, I no nothing about it.
Yea T-Mobile told me the only plan they have for tablets are Data and no voice. that really sucks. I dont understand that one. I have an
LG G3 that has T-Mobile. I can use the hotspot on that if needed.. the chances that im going to leave my house with this Tablet are very slim. so I can just stay with the wifi.

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If you have LTE version you be able to call through google hangouts dialer. I do it on n7 LTE. And the app.
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Yea I just tried that.. It worked.. prob cheaper then T-Mobles plans