On the MOAR thread, there was some discussion about dark themes and battery life. there were references posted, and some confusion about whether or not the brightness of the colors made a difference.
I decided to do a simple test to confirm. this was done on an older phone, but I figured i might as well put the issue to bed - at least in my midn.
so I put the phone on airplane mode, turned of wife and gps, and turned off the motion sensors. I then took a picture without any light - a black picture. I took a copy of the picture and advanced edited it to be completely white.
The result was a picture showing a black screen, and another showing a white screen.
I charged the time to 100%. I set the timer for 30 minutes, and put on the black screen. The screen timeout was for 10 minutes, so I had to touch the screen a few times to keep it away. I recorded the battery findings, and then charged the phone back up again. I then ran the same test with a white screen.
The black screen led to battery readings of 95% and battery voltage of 4187 mV. the white screen had a battery percentage of 87%, 4088 mV.
So my conclusion is having dark images on the screen really does lead to a modest increase in battery life.
Very nice test. Thank you for sharing!
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Yes, black and dark colors save battery on the S3 since it has an AMOLED screen. Same does not apply to LCD screens.
This is good info, so if you extrapolate this out over an entire charge it is a significant difference.
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So if I was to install the inverted themes on MOAR it would help some? I already run a dark background on the Lockscreen and Home Screen.
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So if I was to install the inverted themes on MOAR it would help some? I already run a dark background on the Lockscreen and Home Screen.
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yup
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yup
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Guess I'll be running Morphology again, just trying to make a list of how I want things to look, so many options.
Anyone has a link for dark or black theme? Thank you
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Install moar, or poke around in the themes forum.
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Install moar, or poke around in the themes forum.
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I am going to check some out. I currently just use the inverted GMail and messaging. I personally tend to like the darker themes more anyways so the battery life is a bonus :good:
Thanks!
Thanks! I love dark themes. Great to know that battery life is better with them
Thanks for the info. I'm running Wicked V5.0 wicked blue which is a pretty dark theme. I also have a completely black wallpaper and can definitely tell a difference in battery life.
Only dark colors aren't enough. You need a lot of pure black in your themes for this to work. Because if your theme just has dark grey or something that means those pixels are still on and thus using power. Only in pure black do the pixels turn off completely which helps in saving power.
I repeated the experiment. but instead of using a black screen, I used a gray screen. started at 100 % for both. 4360 mV. The gray screen went to 4186 mV - 94%. The white screen went to 4108 mV - 90%.
This time I used tasker to keep the screen on for the entire 30 minute trial (so no need ot touch screen or worry about the screen autodimming), and pumped up the screen brightness to 100% for both runs. otherwise did the same as on the OP.
I would have to run this 3 times to do a statistical analysis. I don't plan on doing this. Nevertheless, my conclusion is the same - dark screens (not necessarily black screens) have a modest improvement in battery life.
That's great info. I'll have to give it a try.
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Yes you are right but its not compatible with LCD screen
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Since this is the Galaxy S3 forum and it uses the Super Amoled screen, your point is a little irrelevant... Though I'm not sure what you even mean exactly.
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Kinda don't know why there's another post about dark stuff saving battery life. It's common sense that lighter or brighter colors on a screen use more energy than dark and blacks which use a lot less.
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always wanted a white theme but i cannot seem to find one for the galaxy s. i'm sure a lot of people are looking for a white theme. thanks
A friend and i are making one...
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always wanted a white theme but i cannot seem to find one for the galaxy s. i'm sure a lot of people are looking for a white theme. thanks
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we will make a black and a white version.
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we will make a black and a white version.
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That looks nice!
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looks great!!!!
Sure, it will look nice. But at the cost of battery life and screen longevity. White kills the screen & battery
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Sure, it will look nice. But at the cost of battery life and screen longevity. White kills the screen & battery
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LOL are you kidding me? - Using the phone will kill the battery. Unless you have brightness down all the way and using a black only theme this post is useless. Who doesn't want to show off their phone. Plus we are talking about perhaps a 10% difference in battery drain at most.
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Who doesn't want to show off their phone.
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I don't. It's a phone, not a fashion accessory. I use a black theme with "brightness down all the way" too. Aren't I dull?
I think white on an AMOLED screen is of much greater concern than battery life.
Thx guys
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Really?
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I don't. It's a phone, not a fashion accessory. I use a black theme with "brightness down all the way" too. Aren't I dull?
I think white on an AMOLED screen is of much greater concern than battery life.
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Yes you are dull
I also know a lot of people who like to customize their phone (theme and such) just to impress others.
To each their own I guess. I personally couldn't care less, therefore, a white theme is pretty much horrible due to the batterylife. And no, the difference is not a measly 10%, far from it, very very far from it.
I personally like the look of the white theme. The original poster requested a white theme and hopefully it will get done.
If anyone does not like the white theme there is essentially no reason to reply to this thread.
There are plenty of posts here to keep everyone interested, we dont need pointless negative replies.
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Looks great. Whene comes?
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I also know a lot of people who like to customize their phone (theme and such) just to impress others.
To each their own I guess. I personally couldn't care less, therefore, a white theme is pretty much horrible due to the batterylife. And no, the difference is not a measly 10%, far from it, very very far from it.
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Sorry pro. I didn't realise we had someone that runs surveys in the forum. *sigh* This theme looks rad and it will be rad
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I also know a lot of people who like to customize their phone (theme and such) just to impress others.
To each their own I guess. I personally couldn't care less, therefore, a white theme is pretty much horrible due to the batterylife. And no, the difference is not a measly 10%, far from it, very very far from it.
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I'm interested in this claim. You got any evidence to show that it would be "very very far from it"?
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We will upload it next week ....
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looks so elegant... nice.
thanks
Guys, you both have no idea about battery drain of white amoled.
Check this forum out:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=660853
It states if you are starring at the BACKGROUND for 1 hour, you have significant battery drain. Now I ask you, how much you stay on the main page when you use your phone? I personally check time, and click on icons. That's all. The rest, browsing, games, applications, movies, reading, calling are all different colors, so I'd say don't bother too much about it.
I agree that the battery consumption would not be too much. Maybe make it a little grey.
The white status bar may help in remedying the burn in on that area.
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Important to all theme developers and users to read before making/downloading themes.
http://www.scribd.com/doc/42669045/4D-AMOLED-Presentation
Green is the best at 40K hours, Red is 25K and Blue is 12K hours = Conclusion that green themes is best of the best for AMOLED like Jumba's NeonGT was. Someone should save Jumbas theme who has skills to rebuild neonGT because it was almost complete green and very easy to eyes.
Nice info
It would be really useful for Theme developers/moders
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Ok, the blue pixels have"only" 12k hours until the brightness will decrease to a certain value. Did you even took the time to calculate what 12k hours means for a phone with an average of 4 hours of screen on per day? ... The answer is .... about 10 years. I wonder how many amoled displays from today will still exists then.
Later edit: not to mention that the respective document is from 2008.
i'd say black is even better
Jossilint is right. I had a samsung wave before i bought galaxy s. Most icons were blue and white in top bar. After a couple of months you could see the shape of the icons in fullscreen mode, especially on blue or grey backgrounds.
So you can notice when blue led's are getting older.
AMOLEDs have improved a lot since that article was posted. Infact, the rated lifetime of the AMOLED pixels actually indicates the time after which the intensity of the light emitted will be degraded, but not totally gone dead. We know that Blue degrades faster, so if you happen to see the screen showing more of Green and Red and comparatively lesser blue, it would be a good time to get your screen replaced.
And coming to my personal preference, If I manage to use my phone for around 2 years or more and start seeing these issues, I would definitely pay for a new screen. Just because I love the screen..
i think most people will never notice decreased brightness of blue oleds. only in top bar, when you use the same blue or white icons at same position over months. even then it is only slightly visible, but it is.
i'm not the only one reporting it. i've seen a couple of wave users in forums with similar effects. and wave is using exactly the same display, only size is smaller.
Nice info !
Thanks for sharing
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Black Android all the way hahahah
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Black Android all the way hahahah
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Yes but not with greywhite text (rgb all in use) but with green or red green mixed. I have readed lot of xda SGS burn in horror stories even after couple month(i assume max brightness used) and i am sure that this degraded light was blue.
I think you guys are overreacting. You'll end by NOT using your phone because you will always look not to burn the display. You'll NOT enjoy the beautiful colors and teh extraordinary contrast because of the same reason.
WTF? ... we are talking about a device that was built to entertain us, not to spend neurons in figuring out how not to do things with it.
Just my 2 cents.
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I think you guys are overreacting. You'll end by NOT using your phone because you will always look not to burn the display. You'll NOT enjoy the beautiful colors and teh extraordinary contrast because of the same reason.
WTF? ... we are talking about a device that was built to entertain us, not to spend neurons in figuring out how not to do things with it.
Just my 2 cents.
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You can enjoy, just change habits a bit like not giving max brightness in sun(just use better angle and medium is ok). SGS is not meant for hours of navigation in car this will kill most fastest, use TomTom or some other lcd based phone, SGS is good for quick navigation. SGS is perfect for darkness because AMOLED has no light leak like lcd and has best colors.
SGS is good to be used with whatever application you want and in any way you want. To change habits because I have an AMOLED display will mean to change habits because of a device instead of changing a device because of my habits.
Is like the old saying: "are you living to eat or are you eating to live?" Everything is a matter of perspective.
I consider myself more important than a device ... so I'll use that device to my satisfaction, not the other way around.
So please ... use the SGS to enjoy what you're doing. When the SGS will die (no matter if is the screen, the battery or whatever) you can always get a new one .
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Just poking a little fun at the battery nitpickers Don't hurt me!
Lowest brightness on a back picture?
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Not fear when I am just browsing on the web etc. my screen is using like 65% of my battery but I get just 3 hour and 40 min on lowest brightness.
Search here, you can get almost 11 hours with black on lowest brightness setting!
haha ...
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Lowest brightness on a back picture?
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Had that going all night while on standard battery. Would have lasted longer if the black pixels had actually turned off. I think thats an app shortcoming though with deskclock.
It was on autobrightness fwiw (not much at that point).
This is great! I was sooo hoping we would get yet another battery thread to troll! Pass the popcorn
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this is stupid.
lets not post stupid posts.
LMAO! I love it! Someone please send these pics to the guy in the Verizon store who told me the SGN had a poor battery life!!
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this is stupid.
lets not post stupid posts.
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Thank you, for an equally stupid comment. You fit in here
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This is great! I was sooo hoping we would get yet another battery thread to troll! Pass the popcorn
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You obviously aren't getting the point of this thread.
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Had that going all night while on standard battery. Would have lasted longer if the black pixels had actually turned off. I think thats an app shortcoming though with deskclock.
It was on autobrightness fwiw (not much at that point).
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It's not a limitation of the clock app, that's just how the GNex deals with perfect black. There is a minimum voltage. You will see it in any app with pure black. Try a black photo, a black video, or even noLED.
Also, burn in is a risk with this phone, I have read. So it might not be a good idea to lead the clock mode on all night (correct me if I'm wrong). The noLED app moves the clock around to different pixels to avoid that.
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It's not a limitation of the clock app, that's just how the GNex deals with perfect black. There is a minimum voltage. You will see it in any app with pure black. Try a black photo, a black video, or even noLED.
Also, burn in is a risk with this phone, I have read. So it might not be a good idea to lead the clock mode on all night (correct me if I'm wrong). The noLED app moves the clock around to different pixels to avoid that.
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Clock app in Android also moves the clock at different intervals.
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You obviously aren't getting the point of this thread.
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Adrynalyne made a lulz thread - he's allowed to do so, and I'm allowed to post a lulz comment
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Has anyone else got screen burn on their Gnex? Looking at mine it looks like the notification bar and soft key location is their a fix for this issue?
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Had this too, found out about it two days trying to watch the avengers.
Same locations, it seems hiding the notification bar and navbar fix the issue temporarily. I also heard using white fixes this too.
I haven't noticed this in cwm yet but I feel ashamed this has happened on a near one month old nexus.
Funny you can see the natural colors where the burn in comes in.
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Had this too, found out about it two days trying to watch the avengers.
Same locations, it seems hiding the notification bar and navbar fix the issue temporarily. I also heard using white fixes this too.
I haven't noticed this in cwm yet but I feel ashamed this has happened on a near one month old nexus.
Funny you can see the natural colors where the burn in comes in.
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Thanks for the advice, i think its shocking that this is happening to our devices never thought anything like this would happen
What were your color settings and did have you have your brightness 100% all the time?
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What were your color settings and did have you have your brightness 100% all the time?
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Yes i have had it on 100% alot :L
garner said:
Yes i have had it on 100% alot :L
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Do you remember the color settings though? Wow that sucks its unfortunate that this happened to you, I have to warn my girl about having her phone on 100% brightness now.
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Do you remember the color settings though? Wow that sucks its unfortunate that this happened to you, I have to warn my girl about having her phone on 100% brightness now.
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No cant remember color settings i have never really messed about with them i have always left them standard
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No cant remember color settings i have never really messed about with them i have always left them standard
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Interesting....
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We all have it... but I found an app that helps it a bunch. Its called display tester.
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Yes i have had it on 100% alot :L
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You're shocked yet you had it on 100%
I'm shocked that you're shocked! What did you think would happen?
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You're shocked yet you had it on 100%
I'm shocked that you're shocked! What did you think would happen?
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Well the use of amoleds is whats shocking. My incredible got plagued by this, looked horrible on anything black. Always saw my status bar odd images and anything else. I'm hoping it isn't as bad on the nexus but from what I'm seeing it doesn't differ
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How did this burn thing happen... Is it because u rooted and flash a custom ROM or it can happen to any galaxy nexus
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Burn in happens when the small LEDs on our screens don't get changed around often enough and they burn in.
Sometimes it is savable by using an app that flashes through the entire RGB spectrum, but sometimes not even that will help it.
How offen you need to hide status bar to prevent burn in for avarage screen time for example 4 hours a day? And is transparent status bar safe or it is just better than stock status bar.
Ugh I'm having burn in issues too on mine, oddly though its only the status bar, if i hide the home buttons there's absolutely no burn in that spot which is weird considering the nav bar stays up even more often than notifications. (I do a lot of web surfing and some games mainly so in theory the nav bar is on more)
I think I heard maybe 2-3 hours. Transparency will help a lot but the icons on the bar will burn too. From my understand blue burns in easily..
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You guys are getting the whole thing wrong. The burn in is not occurring on the notification bar and navigation panel. On the contrary...the burn in is on the remaining screen. Meaning that the pixels on the remaining screen have been degrading due to use of maximum brightness full time and what u see is the difference.
The black colour on our screens cannot cause burn in. In fact black on amoled is the only color where the pixels are not lit when in use.
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Oh, that is most of on screen time. It really kills the purpose of status bar. But I have white icons on black background so I hope it is better than stock blue icons
I feel like crying
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I have just found that app goint to try it later thanks for the tip
So the rollout for the premium suite has started in the UK at the end of december, i didnt get it yet but i did realise that some of the features of it have been on my phone since the JB update, those features are "smart rotation" and "low light camera". I'm not sure but i thought low light camera has been on my phone for quite some time.
There were a couple of Premium Suite features that made their way to the GS3 with the 4.1.1 update. Not any big ones though.
Alright, can't wait for the full premium suit!! hopefully it wont have to go through carrier check
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So the rollout for the premium suite has started in the UK at the end of december, i didnt get it yet but i did realise that some of the features of it have been on my phone since the JB update, those features are "smart rotation" and "low light camera". I'm not sure but i thought low light camera has been on my phone for quite some time.
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Page buddy is a also a feature of the premium suite we received. I wouldn't have high hopes on a quick full premium suite release here, leave it to the carriers, they will slow it down.
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"low light camera". I'm not sure but i thought low light camera has been on my phone for quite some time.
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I'm not seeing a low light camera option in my stock i747 camera settings in 4.1.1. I only see the option for taking "night shots", but it sounds as though you are describing something different.
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It's under the same settings as burst shot
Edit: Btw low light takes gorgeous pictures. Everybody is jealous of my camera because of that
These pictures were taken at 11pm with low lighting and no flash
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I just found the option as well. This is great.
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It's under the same settings as burst shot
Edit: Btw low light takes gorgeous pictures. Everybody is jealous of my camera because of that
These pictures were taken at 11pm with low lighting and no flash
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Nice. Can I get an invite to the next swim party?
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It's under the same settings as burst shot
Edit: Btw low light takes gorgeous pictures. Everybody is jealous of my camera because of that
These pictures were taken at 11pm with low lighting and no flash
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I like how they're in the pool in the first pic, and then in the next there is snow everywhere. XD
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I like how they're in the pool in the first pic, and then in the next there is snow everywhere. XD
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hahaha you guys crack me up!!! I lve in canada but my sister lives in Miami and those 2 pics were 48 hours part. The second picture is me coming back to the great white north and realising that there was a sh*tload of snow and that my 2nd car was was left outside and was stuck in A LOT of snow so i had to use my VW to pull it out!
Why i posted those pics is really how the low light mode takes great pictures without flash, in the upper picture, the only light is from the tiki hut and the pool, as in the second, the light is from the lights on the wall and the 2 lights on each side of my door.
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hahaha you guys crack me up!!! I lve in canada but my sister lives in Miami and those 2 pics were 48 hours part. The second picture is me coming back to the great white north and realising that there was a sh*tload of snow and that my 2nd car was was left outside and was stuck in A LOT of snow so i had to use my VW to pull it out!
Why i posted those pics is really how the low light mode takes great pictures without flash, in the upper picture, the only light is from the tiki hut and the pool, as in the second, the light is from the lights on the wall and the 2 lights on each side of my door.
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Yeah, low light looks like a sweet feature to me.
How much snow did you get?
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Umm also the feature that allows you to put your Facebook feed on your lock screen came with 4.1.1. But that dont mean a lot to me since im not big on Facebook anyway. The multi window is what im about to die to try....
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Yeah, low light looks like a sweet feature to me.
How much snow did you get?
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in total, about 120cm, over 4 feet. And we had one blizzard between xmas and new years that splilled half of that snow
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Umm also the feature that allows you to put your Facebook feed on your lock screen came with 4.1.1. But that dont mean a lot to me since im not big on Facebook anyway. The multi window is what im about to die to try....
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yes, i forgot to mention fb on lockscreen did come with JB. I have but but i've never really used it.