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Poll: Marketplace: Keep It Open or Close It

The Marketplace section of XDA has been only open for a short time. There are currently 8 potential users in our community who have been ripped off and may not be capable of receiving their payments back and/or punishing the people that scammed them. There also exist a number of buyers that await their devices to be received but the sellers have not contacted them.
There are several benefits of selling on XDA and there are many drawbacks. Please let me remind you that this is a developers (or those interested in the processes, aka users like me) forum. Please take the time to reflect the benefits and the drawbacks and vote.
I know the poll results will lean towards keeping the Marketplace open because those who visit this section on a regular would want to keep using it as a resource. Yet there are many on this site that still do not have any idea that this marketplace exist, simply because they bookmark their device's section.
Please vote after reading the Fraud Thread,Thank You.
If you have new guidelines that will help deter criminals from scamming our members please post. Please note, your suggestions may be criticized.

My vote to third option. I dont believe in throwing the baby with the bath water. Everything faces problem in the beginning, so is this marketplace. Let's make it a better place.

Just because the Marketplace isn't open doesn't mean XDA won't be used for transactions between users. With the Marketplace, the transactions are more public and I bet that being open and public actually cuts down on scams.

|Jason8| said:
Just because the Marketplace isn't open doesn't mean XDA won't be used for transactions between users. With the Marketplace, the transactions are more public and I bet that being open and public actually cuts down on scams.
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I completely agree with your opinion. What do you think about banning device sale transactions altogether?
Just like XDA bans warez but obviously users can PM each other regarding warez.

I would think that there is a way to keep the market section open, yet make it safer. I don't think it is XDA's responsibility to make sure every transaction is 100% safe, not even eBay can do that. I don't even think it is responsible to go above and beyond "buyer/seller beware". But I know this communitty and to simply leave it at "stock" isn't an option.
It has proven true that it is hard to identify a good scammer. Post counts, length of membership, and so forth have all proven indicators of trustworthiness, but not a guarantee. And while a guarantee surely isn't possible in reality, I know it is always the goal of those in this communitty to get it right and as close to perfect as possible.
I am currently trying to sell a couple phones, and half my worry is that people have enough trust and faith in me to feel comfortable buying from me. The other half is that I find a legit buyer. I can't even image being the actual buyer!
I feel that stricter guidelines and oversight will go a long way, although likely more time consuming as well. Perhaps making it so new listings have to get approved? And setting criteria for approval asking for photographic proof that the item exists? As well, maybe create an XDA paypal account, where the buyer pays XDA, and upon shipping confirmation/ receipt confirmation the funds are then transfered to the seller? This would put a lot of liability on XDA, which might not be plausable.
Ultimately, buyer and seller beware is and always will be the most important rule.

may555 said:
Although opening the market place means that many problems exist,which is seller make slow response to buying,I may strengthen to monitor.Opening the market place may improve the dynamic of the forum.
If you want to savvy more information about mobile phone, please come to [scamlink]
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And you give a link to a Kirf phone site... shakes head... maybe we can also look into strengthening membership requirements/ process?

XDA can't take guarantee for anything that happens in marketplace, that is something ebay doesn't take inspite of such a heavy fee amount they charge. I feel xda is the best way to share things like pocket pc phones in like minded people to get the get value for both buyer & seller. It would be there no matter you have the marketplace or not. Marketplace has provided outlet to all such dealings.
We can ponder over how to make it more secure, but giving marketplace an existential threat is not I am in agreement with.

Marketplace open!!
As I said before,
All transactions between particulars on the WWW have some risk.
If you are not willing to take that risk please do not use marketplace and go and buy to a regular store!
You should be aware that if you want to buy cheap there is always a risk!
Let´s continue with marketplace!!

I noticed that some other sites require you to have a certain post count before posting/viewing the market place. This could cut the scammers out as it would require them to first be active in the community before being able to post.

Keep the market place.. I have used it for purchasing more than 1 phone, and lucky for me, my experiance here has been fantastic... I think people should pay for their transactions using a credit card... even with PayPal.. You can pay with credit card there.. That way if you are scammed and do no receive what you payed for, open up a dispute with both your credit card company as well as paypal.. evne if paypal can not "collect" anything, you credit card can cancel the transaction all together and take the money from paypal... (which will, in turn, make them want to look for the money a little harder, and even possibley bring up legal action againt the fraud monger!) In closing, KEEP THE MARKET PLACE...

I totally agree with 'Teej53214' and have voted for option 1.
I don't see why XDA should shoulder any responsibilty, nor have to police the marketplace,
since with all online dealing it is the buyers responsibility, not XDA's, to take adequate steps to protect himself.
as such, using a credit card is far the best way.

Yes, but at what point? A spammer will get a couple hundred posts in a few minutes, where as a legit member might not in a couple years.
As well, one of the most infamous scams thus far was carried out by a member with over 1000 posts, and 2 years of community involvement.

I noticed that some other sites require you to have a certain post count before posting/viewing the market place. This could cut the scammers out as it would require them to first be active in the community before being able to post.
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there already is a post count limit, i.e 30+ Posts, a seller less than post isent allowed to sell, and his thread is deleted

Ather said:
there already is a post count limit, i.e 30+ Posts, a seller less than post isent allowed to sell, and his thread is deleted
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Can we not delete it? Someone may suggest a new guideline, which could be useful for both seller/buyer

I may be new here, but i feel i'll be around for a while. I feel the Market Place is a great idea for everyone, but some guildlines should be improved for everyoens experience.
I feel that the suggestions (option 3?) would to invoke a Post Count Requirement, but to add to this a review (to enter into the market place) must be made by an admin to make sure all posts to that post count are not spam to scam.
I also feel that the market place should incorporate some kind of market system. I know there's plugins for vBulletin that would allow such a thing, or better yet, force all users to mediate through another site for sales (eBay?). This way we'll know they're scammers...
ie if someone posts a acution on eBay for the sole purpose to sell an item (Buy it now at discolsed price in forum) and they're new user on eBay then more caution flags are thrown up... (Could use many other auction sites, etc).
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Maybe enforce some kind of physical conversation about products as well, phone call, etc?
Just my $.02

Keep it open.
I agree with what has been said. Use Paypal with a Credit card. Ivé have to open a dispute (not here) via Paypal and in the end I just contacted my credit card holder that refunded the payment.
Force users to have X many posts, visits or time from registering+posts before they can post in the marketplace.

skuliaxe said:
Keep it open.
I agree with what has been said. Use Paypal with a Credit card. Ivé have to open a dispute (not here) via Paypal and in the end I just contacted my credit card holder that refunded the payment.
Force users to have X many posts, visits or time from registering+posts before they can post in the marketplace.
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As Ather stated, there is a 30 post count limit. I do not see it documented anywhere maybe I skipped over it. Anyhow, I am positive there is a vbulletin plugin or add-on that restricts users under a set limit of posts to be capable of accessing the marketplace section.

redbandana said:
As Ather stated, there is a 30 post count limit. I do not see it documented anywhere maybe I skipped over it. Anyhow, I am positive there is a vbulletin plugin or add-on that restricts users under a set limit of posts to be capable of accessing the marketplace section.
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Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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12aon said:
Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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I would like to repeat my suggestions: I was once really involved at notebookreview and this is how we ran things
1. Require a set form for selling and buying. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=243274
2. Require a picture with proof of ownership. (a photo of the item with a piece of paper containing the username and a dated newspaper)
3. Require feedback sources: Amazon, ebay, heatware.
4. Reference previous sales. (some sort of internal feedback system)
I think this can help make the Marketplace a bit safer to everyone involved.

12aon said:
Ok, instead of making this thread about something that's not right let's take this wonderful opportunity to make it work.
We are open for suggestions
Who would think being a non-junior member OR being an XDA member for more then one year is appropriate/enough? Remember we are trying to scare the scammers off not everybody
Feel free to add to the list,
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Both of those could be restrictive to real sellers, and not actually scare off scammers.
The spam guys will get a couple hundred posts really quickly. If you toss in a 1 year time limit type thing, then people that are active, like me, wouldn't even be able to sell because I haven't been a member for over a year.
I think we should ask sellers to post at least 5 pics, with their username and a newspaper pictured in one. As well, they need to send their contact info to the section mod. They also need to put a random word picked by the mod and PM to them on the piece of paper with their username on it. Only then would the post actually be made public.
As well, you can ask that they also have shown themself a member of this community, either through length of time here, post count, etc., but subject to the mods descretion.

Switching away from GoDaddy

I saw the posting on the portal about switching off of GoDaddy, and first of all I want to say THANK YOU!
From all of us who don't have a website they can switch off of GoDaddy, we thank you. Putting your money in the pockets of companies you approve of is GREAT. I only wish I could do more to help.
The article did leave me wondering if you had your domain registered with them, or also used them as the host for all the content. After I pondered that, I wondered if there would be any outages due to the swap. I would certainly not complain if there were, I am just curious if there might be.
Again, thank you for doing this, I hope that large communities continue to pull their money from companies their members do not approve of.

I would have seen it on my RSS reader at some point, but thanks boardsportsrule for posting this and bringing it to my attention. I've only got 1 domain registered with them, but I've just cancelled the auto-renew.
More people need to be made aware of the small things they can do that can make a large difference, together.

boardsportsrule said:
I saw the posting on the portal about switching off of GoDaddy, and first of all I want to say THANK YOU!
From all of us who don't have a website they can switch off of GoDaddy, we thank you. Putting your money in the pockets of companies you approve of is GREAT. I only wish I could do more to help.
The article did leave me wondering if you had your domain registered with them, or also used them as the host for all the content. After I pondered that, I wondered if there would be any outages due to the swap. I would certainly not complain if there were, I am just curious if there might be.
Again, thank you for doing this, I hope that large communities continue to pull their money from companies their members do not approve of.
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It is merely for domain registration. The site is not hosted on godaddy, and the actual dns resolving is done by xda servers.

Archer said:
I would have seen it on my RSS reader at some point, but thanks boardsportsrule for posting this and bringing it to my attention. I've only got 1 domain registered with them, but I've just cancelled the auto-renew.
More people need to be made aware of the small things they can do that can make a large difference, together.
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Happy I helped!
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It is merely for domain registration. The site is not hosted on godaddy, and the actual dns resolving is done by xda servers.
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Gotcha, thanks for the information. I was secretly hoping it was fully hosted on GoDaddy. That'd be a blow to their wallet!

BBCNews said:
GoDaddy has courted controversy earlier in 2011 because its founder and former boss, Bob Parsons, shot and killed an elephant during a hunt in Zimbabwe and posted a video of this online.
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I didn't need any further reason to end my custom with them, but if I'd have known that then I would have done it long ago.

Golf Clap for XDA
Here is the statement from XDA, i hope many others will follow suit...
Website Update: We’re moving from GoDaddy
Posted December 29, 2011 at 4:30 pm by Russell Holly
Website Update: We’re moving from GoDaddy
As many of you may be aware, we here at XDA-Developers occasionally stand in support of our members. All of you feel that you can submit things on the forums, knowing that the information is appreciated, used, and shared. We have members all over the world, and we know that the rules aren’t always the same when it comes to what you are “legally” allowed to do. I think I can speak for a great many by saying that while our unified voices are strong, there is nothing stronger than action. In keeping with that, we have decided to move XDA-Developers away from GoDaddy entirely.
This won’t surprise many. GoDaddy’s original support of the Stop Online Piracy Act, followed by their frankly cowardly flip-flop when that stance showed unpopular was enough for the decision to be clear. If SOPA clears, The very existence of a site like XDA would be at risk. For the record, SOPA would allow:
The US Government to selectively censor the web based on requests made by organizations who disapproved of content
Deny the owners of a site due process of law by blacklisting a DNS based on just a claim of copyright infringement
Force sites like XDA to aggressively monitor and filter all content
Hold site owners accountable for everything users post, with consequences like jail time and heavy fines
If SOPA passes, XDA would be forced to switch to a review system, where the forum moderators would have to inspect and approve every post on every subforum. The result would seriously decrease activity on XDA, and it wouldn’t be very long after that we’d likely be forced to close our doors. Obviously this is a “worst case” scenario, but it doesn’t change the fact that this could be a reality if SOPA passes.
Over the next few days, we will be moving all XDA assets away from GoDaddy. In the mean time, we encourage you to head over to the EFF, where they have created a page for how you can do your part to oppose this legislation that would allow the US to firewall content from their own citizens.
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found this from searching lol
Hello, SONY.
We are Anonymous.
It has come to the attention of the Anonymous activist community that you have chosen to stand by the Stop Online Piracy Act
http://www.cinemablend.com/games/Nintendo-Sony-Stop-Supporting-SOPA-Anonymous-Threats-38195.html

I decided not to move my domains from godaddy. Reason being is that im letting those domains expire on them, so they take the cost of maintaining them. They aren't getting any more money from me.

It's not /just/ the elephant for me, it's their SOPA support, too. Thank you, xda.

Operation #MotoBBB

Operation #MotoBBB:
I really don't know how useful making a new petition at Change.org is going to do, given that OP MOSH didn't lead us anywhere. But I feel that this + the BBB complaint rally may take us somewhere. Because, for each new BBB complaint, Motorola receives a brand new complaint, a brand new email to reply to and each email they ignore, the more their ratings and ranking and reputation will be affected at BBB.
So, here is the new petition @Change.org:
https://www.change.org/petitions/mo...s-unlock-the-bootloaders?share_id=ZhoxoqVsuz&
The aim of the petition is to get an apology from Motorola and Verizon, get all our Bootloaders unlocked AND get all the devices released within 18 months of the ICS release date to be updated to ICS.
The aim of the BBB complaint is to submit a personal, one on one complaint to Motorola. The way this works is that Motorola will get an email detailing the complaint and they should respond to it within a month, else it will count negatively on their ratings at BBB. An XDA member named iBolski already did this and he got a very detailed response. So this seems to be effective.
Secondly, I and several other users at the Droid X2 forums have also filed a complaint. Though we didn't get a response yet, I feel that Motorola is taking its time as it wants to respond correctly. So, I feel that this is adding pressure to them. Nevertheless, the fact that they MUST respond, otherwise face consequences definitely means that if a sizeable number of people complain, they will be under severe pressure.
So far 9,279 people signed the OP MOSH petition. I can't imagine how much pressure this will cause if each person who signed that petition also filed a BBB complaint. So many BBB complaints in such a short time would firstly be a record and secondly will be a huge pressure on Motorola who HAVE to respond to each and everyone of them, else face consequences.
Therefore, I URGE you to file a BBB complaint, even if you Don't sign the petition. But please do sign the petition once you file a complaint since that way I will know how many of you guys filed a BBB complaint!
Attached is a template letter for filing for the BBB complaint AND instructions on how to do so!
May we prevail! Please do submit this thread as a news tip! The more people know about this, the stronger we get! If you want to follow my ongoing struggle with Motorola, go to: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1547632
Instructions to File BBB Complaint + Template Complaint
God speed!
P.S: Moderators, upon consulting with a few xda members I felt that this is NOT spamming as I am soliciting the help of members across several forums. Hence, please do not ban or in other ways punish me. If this is spam, kindly let me know, since I have done this for the first time and moreover, as can clearly be seen from the post I am bringing forth a genuine concern that needs me to post this across all Motorola android phone forums! Thank you for understanding.

Is asking for donations to continue development allowed on Xda?

The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread

Sir, how can you even speak about something you completely don't know about?
Points im making clear:
The dev did not force for donations anywhere (and anyways nobody from xda donated) The vertex community(outside of XDA) decided to donate for a new phone so he could continue the amazing and promising work he's been delivering. If not he'd have bought another phone and continued to develop for it .
The developer complied to what he was instructed to : He did not even request for donations after he was warned to not do the same.
IT WAS THE COMMUNITY WHO INITIATED THE DONATION .
And please know that its the developer who's spending all the precious time on this for making all of us happy (please let me know if its you)
You, sir, should be ashamed to have ranted and spoken absolute **** about something you have no idea about. I don't think your stubborn ass belongs to a great place like XDA.
Other points:
1. This happening does not involve XDA and is totally out of XDA's boundaries.
2. I thought we were all aware that the dev was working on Oreo which was the reason for the pause in official builds.
3. Nobody is showing bias here. Please show us proof if you got any.

Not going to start a flame war here. I'm going to do this in a reasonable manner. I welcome any moderator (@Magnum_Enforcer and others) to discuss with me and allow me to provide every evidence needed to explain the situation and support my case. Feel free to pm me.

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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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Seems like you are too stubborn to give up. Very well.
Let's break things down a bit, shall we?
Joshuous has unfortunately damaged his OnePlus 3 accidentally, which means that - at the time - continuing to develop the ROM is impossible. Common sense, isn't it? Kernel building can be done blindly, but not ROM building by any means, or else the users may quite likely face serious bugs or even bricks, and will require a tediously longer period of testing that will deem the whole project meaningless. Joshuous was ready to give up on developing since, well, no device to test his ROM on. But the community didn't want to let go and soon enough a campaign to fund a secondhanded OnePlus 3 was begun by a generous member of the community (and NOT Joshuous himself). It may be inappropriate to post direct donations links, as kindly explained by @Magnum_Enforcer in the VertexOS thread. And after a quick discussion, and adequate moderating, the donation link was removed by the mods and the whole discussion was taken to somewhere more private away from XDA - as per the XDA rules and request of its moderators.
It's worth noting that the last official update from Joshuous was on the 16th of September, with a hotfix build released shortly by one of the project contributors, which caused the thread participants (with you pittifully being amongst them) to falsely deceive that the project has been abandoned, even though Joshuous was posting status updates when possible. However, it's been repeatedly stated by Joshuous and his contributors (me included) that the ROM hasn't been abandoned, and that the pause of official builds is a natural thing when the developer starts to work on the major Android version upgrade - just like most of the ROMs.
Again, I would like to emphasise some points. As far as Joshuous went with 'breaking the rules', he directly posted a link to the funding campaign that explicitly stated the campaign's goal to buy a secondhanded OnePlus 3 unit. As soon as the link was removed, and Joshuous made aware of the rules and that this was considered a violation to them, Joshuous has gratefully abided by @Magnum_Enforcer 's decision and the XDA rules and took the donation somewhere else out of the XDA boundaries. And of course, we must emphasize the fact that you have been rudely bashing Josh and @calvinistmac (you even dared to rudely call him "his lackey" just because he responded to you and gave you a status update, and I have not-so-kindly stepped in. And if my memory serves me right, I even advised you to get your hands off the keyboard for your own good - an advice that apparently wasn't taken into consideration and has cost the XDA forum lots of space, and has significantly cost the mods quite some time to clear your trash talk and rude comments and not to mention how depressed Josh was when he saw, and still see, such allegations made against him)
Now let's get back to your preposterous claim
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The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
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Incorrect. Joshuous didn't actually start the campaign of funding a OnePlus 3 device for development, he only stated that he lost the phone accidentally. Only thing he did was pasting a link to a campaign that was started by another XDA member, who did enjoy VertexOS and was very generous to do whatever it takes for the project to continue. And no, Magnum_Enforcer didn't help him, he actually took down the link asap and kindly refreshed our knowledge of the XDA rules. Sam Nakamura didn't help him either.
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A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
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Can't be denied, but I just did explain why did Josh pause the official builds above.
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2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
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That's nothing short of an individual issue of trust. Nothing to do with XDA or any other site. I suggest you go see a doctor and talk with him about your uncertainities and conspiracy theories - that's all I can say.
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3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
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I don't see anything wrong here. It's just the moderator doing his job properly, and I highly commend him for that :good:
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4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
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True, and justifiable. ROM developing cannot be done blindly. Even kernel developing must need a very highly experienced dev to come up with dependable stable kernel builds if done blindly without the actual device in hand.
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5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
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What's wrong with seeing a good and supportive community? Is that against the rules, or does it defy the laws of physics?
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6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
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Given the previously explained circumstances, and the wonderfully supportive community, the developer has gratefully accepted the community's helping hand. What's wrong with that?
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Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
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And we commend him/them for doing his job properly and promptly reminding us of any violation to the rules. I would like to remind you and the gentlemen that among the "majority of the messages that got deleted eventually" was your rude reply to @calvinistmac where you called him Josh's lackey, which is terribly impolite and unrespectful to say the least.
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So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
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The answer of this question can be found in @Magnum_Enforcer 's post here, which apparently you have gone through and failed to understand.
gordito_gr said:
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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That's up to the moderator to decide. But one thing for sure, XDA is not the place for you to blatantly drag the devs in the filth and lace your hate on them.

I hope such guys get banned from XDA, as those destroy the whole community. They don't even have a sense for community feeling or how to act in one.
I've seen many post of you, which are disrespectful and childish. And this one is the top of the hill.
Mostafa explained the situation very well. Josh never asked for donation and the campaign has been created by a user, not even a contributor!

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And we commend him/them for doing his job properly and promptly reminding us of any violation to the rules. I would like to remind you and the gentlemen that among the "majority of the messages that got deleted eventually" was your rude reply to @calvinistmac where you called him Josh's lackey, which is terribly impolite and unrespectful to say the least.
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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.

Why do you keep saying XDA "allowed" joshuous to get paid? The donations took place off of XDA and any donation requests on XDA were promptly removed.
The rules were upheld and the users who saw value in VertexOS donated elsewhere. I'm not sure why you alone are against this.

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I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
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Actually Devs start leaving XDA because of people like you keep populating the threads with nothing but nonsense. Absolute nonsense. You just cripple the threads with such replies. And where on God's Earth did Joshuous ask his users to donate him to continue development ? I have said it before numerous times and will say it again, the campaign was raised by one of the users and not him. And when ME took down the link, we moved the discussion to somewhere else out of XDA's boundaries. What the bloody heck is wrong with that? If you don't like what you see, clear the bloody way for more useful posts! Any other comments on that means that you are nothing but a troll. Not even a guy with single digit IQ level would be that stubborn and fail to understand outright facts.
P.S. stop with the "XDA is helping him" part, coz that is even more embarrassing for you.

Absolutely embarrassing response.
Lock this thread and change the rules already, there are devs out there that deserve to get paid

gordito_gr said:
I just hope you change the rules, because there are clearly other devs out there that should be making a living out of their work.
Allowing this dev to get paid, while banning other from freely asking for donations to continue, is clearly double-standard behavior.
No wonder why devs start leaving XDA.
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Do you get your jollies over ridiculing other devs? Your the type that make devs want to quit. I've seen it happen all across this forum. Josh is one of the best devs out there along with SultanXDA, Maxwen, etc...
Nowhere did Josh ask for donations to keep on developing. WE AS THE COMMUNITY WHO USE AND HAVE USED THIS ROM DONATED so that development could continue. You just keep digging a bigger hole for yourself.
The only embarassing responses are yours.
You poke at the bear and you're gonna get bitten.
Your arrogance is showing, big time. I suggest you quit while you're ahead.
Mine and the rest of XDA's tolerance has shortened for the likes of you.

gordito_gr said:
Absolutely embarrassing response.
Lock this thread and change the rules already, there are devs out there that deserve to get paid
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And as far as I can work out, Josh and Zach are amongst the first of these Devs.
Could you please zip it and clear the area? If anyone is making people leave XDA - it is YOU. and only YOU! No one else. Not Josh, not Zach. YOU.
Just take a look at what have you done? You crippled two threads with your rude posts and useless futile discussions. I think suffering with pneumonia would be more tolerable than replying to your pathetic posts.

As I've said... Don't post here. This guy doesn't understand the sense of a community. I still hope this guy gets banned as a statement from XDA.
It would be time to protect devs and not such user, who has no value to this community. I've never seen him to help or support development in any way.
With this post he blames the mod, who already handled this topic, Josh as Dev and the whole community, who's trying to help and support each other.
And just to say. I've donated to this campaign on a free basis. And what I do with my money, that's my thing. Do you believe you can decide, what people are doing with their money ... You are simple-minded and conceited. If you think another Dev should receive a donation... Than donate. I believe you've never donated more than 1 dollar to any of them. So just let others do, what they want and mind your own business.

gordito_gr said:
The dev who asked for money is @joshuous (Oneplus 3 & 3T dev) and the moderator who helped is @Magnum_Enforcer.. and possibly @Sam Nakamura
A simple timeline of things:
1) Dev's rom (VertexOS) didnt have an update since September
2) "Suddenly" dev breaks his phone, and asks for donations
3) @Magnum_Enforcer deletes the message, and reminds him of rules
4) Dev says he wont continue development without a phone
5) Another user posts a link with a used phone at 200$ (i think from Swappa) and prompts other users to donate, many users agree
6) Users donate to the dev, dev thanks users for donations and says he will continue development .
Of course the majority of messages got deleted eventually by @Magnum_Enforcer (or maybe @Sam Nakamura)
So my question is Are devs allowed to ask for users to donate for a phone so they can continue development?
If this is not the right place to post this, please redirect me to the right thread
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I have looked into this and absolutely no rules have been violated.
8. Donations.
As a user, you're allowed to ask for donations in your signature as a thank you for your hard work, however donations up front are not allowed. This forum is about sharing and not about getting paid to do something... that is what your job is for.
The developer never demanded donations. The community rallied to help at their own free will.
Thread closed.

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