Hello there, fellow members!
Last night with a friend we were discussing some stuff about the Ouya, and the next idea came into my mind: I would only purchase one because of the emulators and being able to connect it via HDMI. But wait, I can actually do that with my phone. What if I plug in an HDMI cable, a PS3 joystick and the charger into my ZL? It would be a nice way to play PS1 or N64 games. But yes, then I realized that the phone only has one USB entrance, which is the same for any of the above mentioned pheripherals.
So, what brings me here is the following question: are there any USB adapters with multiple slots compatible with our phone? If I tried a generical PC one, would it work? Or using three different functions in a hole that's made to support one at a time could damage the phone?
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One of these, for example (combined with a mini-usb adapter on the cable), would work?
Thanks in advance, and best regards =)
I don't know if our ZL can handle multiple USB devices. But if you want to try it, you would need a USB Hub with external power supply because I don't think that our phone can put out that much power.
I think the Ouya has several device-exclusive games, but the ZL can play indeed Android games and emulators.
However, I think the only way to do what you have in mind is to:
1) Connect the PS3 'joystick' via Bluetooth. That way, you won't have to use the MicroUSB port.
2) Have an MHL cable for the MicroUSB to HDMI.
However, with point #2, powering the device will still be uncertain. The MHL (2.0) specs allow for powering your device when connected, but
A) Your TV will have to support MHL as opposed to HDMI.
or
B) Your MHL-to-HDMI adapter works as backward compatible HDMI, and requires external power to work.
In both cases I don't know whether the phone will charge and if it even does, whether the power will be sufficient to compensate for the (added bluetooth) power usage of the device.
It is for this 'contraption' that I initially wanted a device with both MicroUSB and MicroHDMI port, so more connectivity would be possible.
Anyway, I ordered all accessories I need to test this (but I don't have an MHL-supporting TV), expect info on this as I find it out.
bouvrie said:
I think the Ouya has several device-exclusive games, but the ZL can play indeed Android games and emulators.
However, I think the only way to do what you have in mind is to:
1) Connect the PS3 'joystick' via Bluetooth. That way, you won't have to use the MicroUSB port.
2) Have an MHL cable for the MicroUSB to HDMI.
However, with point #2, powering the device will still be uncertain. The MHL (2.0) specs allow for powering your device when connected, but
A) Your TV will have to support MHL as opposed to HDMI.
or
B) Your MHL-to-HDMI adapter works as backward compatible HDMI, and requires external power to work.
In both cases I don't know whether the phone will charge and if it even does, whether the power will be sufficient to compensate for the (added bluetooth) power usage of the device.
It is for this 'contraption' that I initially wanted a device with both MicroUSB and MicroHDMI port, so more connectivity would be possible.
Anyway, I ordered all accessories I need to test this (but I don't have an MHL-supporting TV), expect info on this as I find it out.
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The concept is interesting but the problem with the ZL is the battery life, if the battery will not be able to get charge, you only be able to use it for around a hour or hour and half playing games or watching videos from a 100%.
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I hooked up my ZL to my monitor yesterday, using MHL to HDMI. Output worked when I supplied power to the adapter, sourced from the monior's built-in USB hub. The ZL was charging while the MHL cable was connected.
I streamed a 1080P MKV movie over local WIFI , other services(data connection/bluetooth/NFC) were turned off. After the movie was done, I checked the power usage and the battery level had remained pretty much the same throughout the movie.
So I think with MHL to HDMI, the device is only able to retain its battery level, rather than charging it to full. Having said that, the screen was turned on the entire time throughout the output; if I can turn off the screen while viewing, this could save the battery some more.
I'll perform more tests this weekend; I want to use Bluetooth as input device (I've somewhat given up on having Infra Red controls) and have audio played through the ZL speaker rather than over HDMI to my monitor (that has no speakers built in). Ideally I would want to combine this with my USB Host / OTG 4-port USB hub, but alas MHL and USB Host are mutually exclusive on this device.
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This may be old news but I found this MHL adapter for like $15 on amazon and it put a full HD mirror of my phone to my 73" TV that looked great!
Oh and it can allow charging of the phone at the same time.
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I am an idiot that cant seem to get the youtube video link to work but I have a video of it
They have tons online ranging from $4.99 to $15.99. Some have charging ports, some don't.
Can you do a test to see if your battery slowly depletes while using it AND a charging cable? Some say that even when charging the same time, the Nexus screen and video out eats too much power for the USB charger to keep up with.
So as a test, could you hook it up with power and output to your TV for like an hour (maybe a movie) and see if the battery % is less, the same, or more then before you started.
There's a Thanks in it! Plus I'm thinking of buying one but there aren't enough tests to prove it's the USB Wall Charger, MLH Adapter, or phone that is the problem.
Also - That link is absolutely atrocious.
sorry about the youtube link. I tried a bunch of different things, all failed. Mine does have the charging port. I will test the charging functionality tonight. I tell you what, the one Youtube video that I watched with it looked great and I haven't found anything that isnt mirrored yet
I will say this, I picked this one because it was one of the ones being used at the MHL booth at CES
Can you supply a link to it on amazon please? Thanks.
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Can you do a test to see if your battery slowly depletes while using it AND a charging cable? Some say that even when charging the same time, the Nexus screen and video out eats too much power for the USB charger to keep up with.
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I ran into this with the 700mA BlackBerry charger by my home theater, but I used a generic 1000mA charger with no problems (search Amazon for B005F9W6DU to find my model). I believe that the stock Samsung charger is also 700mA.
EDIT: Just for kicks I hooked my phone up to my HP power supply via a cannibalized USB cable. I measured just shy of 1000mA when plugged in directly. When plugged into the MHL adapter I was just north of 400mA. I'll have to explore more, but what I don't understand is how I was able to play a movie and not lose any charge at that charge rate. I suspect the voltage of the cheap-o USB adapter may be a bit on the high side, allowing a faster charge over the same current (with a non-zero risk) but that would require investigation.
Yea I think this is the cause of the confusion. The standard charger is slow. Seems it can't keep up with charging while using the phone. I have TONS of chargers because I'm an IT admin that services hotels. They always have a box of left over goodies behind the front desk (good tip to know). They are always happy to get rid of that crap. I always find some awesome universal chargers, backup batteries, laptop chargers, cell phone accessories, etc left behind by guests.
Good to know it'll work with the right equipment.
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2 things. Its smooth video with audio and it charges just fine . Get the one shown. I have it, works great. Use a battery pack when you don't have a close outlet.
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Use a battery pack when you don't have a close outlet.
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More good advice. I have a pair of APC UPB10 batteries because I can't stand the thought of buying spare batteries (and custom chargers) for every phone and Bluetooth device I own. With 10,000mAH it's enough to last me when I'm away from a power source, plus with the GN I don't need to worry about spare batteries making NFC more painful to use.
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I ran into this with the 700mA BlackBerry charger by my home theater, but I used a generic 1000mA charger with no problems (search Amazon for B005F9W6DU to find my model). I believe that the stock Samsung charger is also 700mA.
EDIT: Just for kicks I hooked my phone up to my HP power supply via a cannibalized USB cable. I measured just shy of 1000mA when plugged in directly. When plugged into the MHL adapter I was just north of 400mA. I'll have to explore more, but what I don't understand is how I was able to play a movie and not lose any charge at that charge rate. I suspect the voltage of the cheap-o USB adapter may be a bit on the high side, allowing a faster charge over the same current (with a non-zero risk) but that would require investigation.
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Thanks!
This is all well and good but you still haven't specified which company makes the one you have or supplied a link to it.
How do you turn on video out? I plugged it in and it doesnt work right off....
jdbower said:
I ran into this with the 700mA BlackBerry charger by my home theater, but I used a generic 1000mA charger with no problems (search Amazon for B005F9W6DU to find my model). I believe that the stock Samsung charger is also 700mA.
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Samsung in-box AC charger is 1A. Their DC car charger is .7A. I picked up the Samsung OEM MHL (actual Samsung, not a fake) dongle with the OEM Samsung charger, it still drains a bit when in use. Since it's just a bit, the phone naturally gets blazing hot.
The official MHL outputs at 720p (having used two different MHL kits, it seems that's the phone's output most of the time), unless I'm playing a 1080i/p movie, where it switches output to 1080p. Does the one you have do the same or does it up-convert to 1080p all the time?
Can anybody confirm that this is a worthy purchase?
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Can anybody confirm that this is a worthy purchase?
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Can anyone confirm the meaning of life?
The cable works. If you have a use of connecting your phone to the TV, then its worth it. If not, then it isn't. You can check plenty of videos on YouTube to see the cable in action with our phone.
Did anyone try flash videos directly from a website? Youtube and videos from file work fine but when I try playing a flash video through a site, the video keeps flickering. I told the seller and got another one shipped. Same thing though. Wondering if I got two bad products or if this just happens with flash.
can we get a link to the amazon one OP?
Got monoprice one......loses signal every time i move :////
Just for reference..."Full HD" is 1080p, not 720p. This thing doesn't output Full HD.
Hey everyone, I unfortunately don't have an HDTV, so I can't use an MHL adapter. So can anybody recommend to me a good micro USB to RCA adapter that I can use on a TV?
Ummm wow. Uh you can pick up a MHL adapter and maybe try to convert HDMI to VGA (analog signal) then VGA to RCA.
The HDMI to VGA convert the signal from digital to analog required for what your looking to do.
I suggest monoprice for the adapters because it may not work. I think the phone requires some kind of communication from the TV before it will output at all.
Maybe go to radio shack and ask them. They work off commission and usually let you try the parts in the store before you buy it.
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I was looking at monoprice and I couldn't seem to find one cable that would do it, and I was hoping that I didnt have to use adapters on adapters to get the job done.
I found this on amazon: http://www.amazon.ca/gp/product/B00...&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=463383511&pf_rd_i=915398
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but unfortunately it goes from the headphone jack, which I would assume doesnt send out the picture quite as good as from the usb, but hey for less than a buck (canadian) what do i got to loose right?
But I would still like some suggestions on what I could use through the micro usb
Please don't order that you are wasting your money, the phone doesn't support analog out of the headphone jack. Also you can't convert a digital picture to analog via cables. There is no way to go from HDMI to RCA without expensive conversion in which case you should just buy a HD TV.
Damn not the news I was hoping for, thanks though for the insight!
Search Amazon for B0047PDBP0, you've looking for an HDMI to composite (not component) video converter. However, even a cheap one is ~$50 and the quality won't be great even with a good one. You may be better off putting that $50 towards an HDTV. Amazon also has a few cheap 720p models in the $100-150 range.
Really??????
meber said:
Please don't order that you are wasting your money, the phone doesn't support analog out of the headphone jack. Also you can't convert a digital picture to analog via cables. There is no way to go from HDMI to RCA without expensive conversion in which case you should just buy a HD TV.
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this is true. i tried this one and it only does the audio...no video.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004CPCSW2/ref=oh_o02_s00_i00_details
I hate to say it, but after all the crap you need to go from MHL to HDMI to component to composite, you'd be cheaper off with a 20" HDTV from your local electronics store.
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Please don't order that you are wasting your money, the phone doesn't support analog out of the headphone jack. Also you can't convert a digital picture to analog via cables. There is no way to go from HDMI to RCA without expensive conversion in which case you should just buy a HD TV.
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you can get an HDMI to rca (component) adaptor without expensive conversion..
there are cheap ones on ebay.. i dont know if the phone outputs the required data for this cable to work, however.. has anyone tried? i'm interested because i only ahve composite video available on the screen in my car
Without d/a conversion the signal is still digital and not analog regardless of the plug(s) the adapter changes the HDMI cable into. If your screen supports a digital input, then it might work, but I doubt it does.
if you already have an MHL cable, then youre $50 away from getting what you want http://www.monoprice.com/products/p...&cagpspn=pla&gclid=CNiDrvDUmLQCFelDMgoduyAAtg
mhl micro usb to rca
Wouldn't any of these work?
http://www.amazon.com/VicTsing-Micro-Adapter-Samsung-Galaxy/dp/B00GNR7PX4
http://www.ebay.com/itm/MHL-Micro-U...=US_Video_Cables_Adapters&hash=item2a2da9674d
http://www.samsung.com/us/photograp...B5MA11?cid=gog-ac-mul-0613-10000027:confused:
easycap
Would easycap work here? I am not sure but thinking if can connect andorid phone to CRT tv using easycap and usb to micro usb adopter. Did any one tried already?
Actually some interesting solutions found on amazon, just aroud 20$
from microUSB directly to RCA, USB charging cable included
(unfotunately XDA still doesn't allow me to post URLs)
Well I didn't want to explain this all so made this huge picture but it's pretty much what i want to do. Does anyone know if this will work or if there is an easier way of doing this.
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Well I didn't want to explain this all so made this huge picture but it's pretty much what i want to do. Does anyone know if this will work or if there is an easier way of doing this.
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It would have to be a powered USB hub. Besides that, it could work. Although, you're not likely to get much computing power out of it... meaning not much word processing or any heavy tasks, really. I'd guess that HD video would probably be out of the question. IMO you'd be better off getting a low end netbook.
Thanks! Yeah just looking to be able to go home and be able to write text with a keyboard and watch youtube videos and such. Maybe even build a docking station with a wooden box or something to hold all the wires. My biggest dilemma is the HDMI cable going through the USB hub.
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Thanks! Yeah just looking to be able to go home and be able to write text with a keyboard and watch youtube videos and such. Maybe even build a docking station with a wooden box or something to hold all the wires. My biggest dilemma is the HDMI cable going through the USB hub.
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Yeah, you might sacrifice a bit of resolution like that. I'm not sure you can carry 1080p through USB.
But for the basics, email, surfing, texting and youtube...I think it'd work
on the side of that mhl adaptor it looks like there is a micro usb port and a search on ebay had similar, so plug the mhl directly into the phone and then hdmi to tv/monitor and the micro usb on the side of the mhl to the usb hub.
if the above is not the case then
i would elimnate that gender adaptor coming from the hub out to the female usb to female micro usb, just get a male usb to female micro usb.
the last time i check usb hosting was not supported? pls tell me im wrong tho
Here you go-
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UY3NR8/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005F9W6DU/ref=oh_o00_s00_i01_details
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043862N4/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
No USB host needed.
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Here you go-
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000UY3NR8/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005F9W6DU/ref=oh_o00_s00_i01_details
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0043862N4/ref=oh_o00_s00_i00_details
No USB host needed.
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Are you sure the device supports simultaneous multiple BT connections?
Also, there are more comfortable BT keyboards out there. I've got the HP, it's got the same spacing/layout as my 15" laptop.
I have simultaneous connections to my Moto S9 headset (music playing), keyboard and mouse. No problems. The music skips once when you connect another device but then everything works perfect.
A bigger keyboard would be nice but this one was cheap.
The mouse is great with android. Right mouse button goes back. Middle mouse is menu. Scroll wheel works great.
rangie said:
I have simultaneous connections to my Moto S9 headset (music playing), keyboard and mouse. No problems. The music skips once when you connect another device but then everything works perfect.
A bigger keyboard would be nice but this one was cheap.
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Excellent. I didn't mean to sound accusative, I just wasn't sure the multiple device support was there.
Then yeah, @the OP, I'd definitely use BT, too!!
The HP kb rocks, and I got mine (an open box display) for around $20.
This is what I want to do as well. Has anyone been able to get host mode to work with external storage on a non-ICS ROM?
First of all, I already ordered original Samsung MHL adapter, as it's much cheaper, and I will use it from time to time. I also got the audio dock for charging, and not use the usb. And ordered original Samsung OTG adapter.
Now for my questions, from what I know, the HDMI dock can charge, and use HDMI to connect to TV, but it's limited to videos only? or not?
and second question, what if I connect OTG adapter to the microUSB on the dock? will it work? or it same limited port, like in MHL adapter?
What, no buddy here have the HDMI dock?
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First of all, I already ordered original Samsung MHL adapter, as it's much cheaper, and I will use it from time to time. I also got the audio dock for charging, and not use the usb. And ordered original Samsung OTG adapter.
Now for my questions, from what I know, the HDMI dock can charge, and use HDMI to connect to TV, but it's limited to videos only? or not?
and second question, what if I connect OTG adapter to the microUSB on the dock? will it work? or it same limited port, like in MHL adapter?
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I read something somewhere that running pre-4.0.4 stock would actually allow the HDMI dock to function as a mirror. I didn't have this with AOKP 4.0.3 however. My phone is limited to just video (Currently 4.0.4 AOKP). I'd love it if I had the option to use the dock for mirroring.
The OTG adapter shouldn't work with the USB port, as it's limited to charging, no data. Says so in the manual for the dock.
Ohh, I just not sure if to cancel the order of MHL adapter, sure it's more handy, and small, so if I go to a friend, I can get the adapter with me...
The thing is, that here: http://www.droid-life.com/2012/03/23/review-samsung-galaxy-nexus-hdmi-portrait-desktop-dock/
according to manual it say:
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So they recommend to update the ROM to thelatest, but they also say it limited to video only. on other hand, pre 4.0.4....yes you guess it, there was no any dock settings in the ROM, but it worked just like the much cheaper MHL adapter, I already spent some cash on the Pogo Dock, so my microUSB stay still ,
I know it more good looking with the dock, but if it really limited, then **** Samsung.
P.S, can anybody here comment on latest stock 4.0.4? is there same limitation to video only? because, you see, I have HTPC in one room, and watch movies and other stuff with it, so spent money on some sheet I may use from time to time, is stupid, as the Pogo Dock at least save my microUSB port, and even have line out with an option to use optical cable, but the HDMI dock, only can show videos, so why the **** I need it then ? I do see it good with emulators if I not at hotel or something, but if MHL adapter can mirror, and it cost much much less, why buy that dock? also some aftermarket HDMI docks can mirror the screen, like that:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Samsung-Gal...s_Adapters&hash=item2ebd72c665#ht_2529wt_1859
hell, that thing, can charge, sync, and mirror hdmi, and even can work with phone in a case, **** Samsung guys, aftermarket sometimes can be over 9000 times better that original, to bad there no pogo aftermarket one.
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I have both OEM OTG adapter and MHL adapter for my GNex. I am running IMM76K deodexed, zipaligned. I can view files from flash drive, connect external drive, or do almost anything you can do with a computer using OTG adapter. And I can mirror phone on TV w/ MHL adapter w/sound and everything.
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The thing is, that the phone recognize the dock as a different accessory, not like regular MHL adapter, but most people I asked, on 4.0.4 it not mirror .
anyway I ordered the MHL adapter, and OTG, original Samsung BTW, I will need them just in case, but that case both cost less then that crap dock, but I could not resist not to buy the pogo dock , I know it not cheap, but it a cheap price for working micoUSB port
PS, check Kidigi docks, they support MHL, and even can charge second battery, sync, charge, and fit a phone with a case on it.
I bought the official pogo desktop dock from the Play Store for my GSM Nexus with CM9 nightly on it.
The dock's micro USB port ONLY works for charging!
If you plug it into a computer's USB, it will charge but will not connect, manually even says not to plug it into the computer because it may damage the dock, says to use a charger.
So not sure if OTG will work or not.
I just opened the box. Plugged in a USB drive in the back of the dock, no power is being supplied to the drive. I am not using an OEM Samsung otg cable. If undock and plug in the USB drive straight tot the phone it world no problem.
I will try with a powered HD and ill experiment with mirroring and non video outputs
edit: the dock does work with the OEM extended battery (w/ no case), it's a little tight, but actually fits pretty good
I'm looking to buy a MHL cable, so I've been browsing ebay.
I found this one which is nice because its length (4 meters, 13 ft) allows me to be on the couch while having full access to the phone.
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The problem is, my TV doesn't has an USB port, and I don't see any micro-USB female port on that cable.
Am I buying a crippled/broken cable or am I missing something here?
I've seen other MHL cables (3 meters, 10 ft), which look like they have a female micro-USB port (for connecting either the power or the USB cable)... the problem is that they ship from Hong Kong... which takes a whole month to arrive!
1 for phone (micro-USB male), 1 for power/charging (USB Male) and 1 for HDMI port in TV.
I bought this cable and it works perfectly. So I have near TV laptop with USB
HDMI to RCA
Guys will this cable work?
http://www.ebay.in/itm/Black-5FT-Fe...CD_LED_Plasma_Televisions&hash=item3f1f7cc5e9
does not work....
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1 for phone (micro-USB male), 1 for power/charging (USB Male) and 1 for HDMI port in TV.
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That's rigth, the MHL cable needs a power connection, in this case is using the USB connection to do that, the MHL Samsung Original cable needs to connect the AC Adapter or USB cable to works.
You has to have a PC near to connect maybe.
it is simple, really. mhl needs a connected charger.
the cable suggested in the OP seems to be layout to use a tv's usb port, so the power supply will be at the end which also has the hdmi port.
the regular mhl cables, like the samsung original one, are just an 8" cable with required power supply via micro usb (female) at the end of the phone. pro: it also comes with a female hdmi port, so you can vary the length of the cable to match your usage profile, while the other one is fairly hard to extend.
either way, you will need a power supply, either on the side of the phone, or near the tv.
PS: have you thought about using an AC usb power connector for the power supply of the cable in post #1. these are fairly common, cost no more than 1$, and i assume, there is a power outlet near your tv.
HDTV - MHL to HDMI - Galaxy S2
Hello Guys,
i have bought the original Samsung HDTV cable(micro USB to HDMI) and everything appears working good, but suddenly while any video is running on my LCD LG 37LG50 37" TV the image showing just disappear. The screen TV turn off and to recovery video i need to turn off/on TV.
This is a random event and i don´t know what to do anymore. Any idea?
_LVEIGA_ said:
Hello Guys,
i have bought the original Samsung HDTV cable(micro USB to HDMI) and everything appears working good, but suddenly while any video is running on my LCD LG 37LG50 37" TV the image showing just disappear. The screen TV turn off and to recovery video i need to turn off/on TV.
This is a random event and i don´t know what to do anymore. Any idea?
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What ROM are you using it? Just the Stock ROM has a complete and Working TvOut app. Could be the app too. Can you tell us which app are you use it?