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This is my first post on here,but I've been lurking for ages I just bought a Mugen 3200mAh battery from MugenBattery.com.I already know about not having to condition it(lithium ion),so I ignored the instructions about cycling it and plugged it in and used it right away,and at first it seemed okay for around an hour(I didnt use it at all up to this point,just left it there until I needed it).When I went to unlock my Vibrant from suspend(pushing on the power button),the phone shut off and seemed like it was rebooting...but it just had the first screen you see(the one with Samsung and Vibrant on it) blinking on and off,even when I plugged in the charger in this state,all that popped up was a battery that also blinked on and off.The only way to get it going again was to pull and replace the battery,and it went back on again...then did this all over again when it went into suspend and I tried to unlock it.All the while,the battery stated it had around 75% power,so I have no idea what could have caused this.I put my cheep chinese 2700mAh battery back in and all was well again,so I know its the battery,not the phone.Anyone else have or seen this problem before?This is the most expensive battrery I have ever purchased for a phone at $88.00US....I hate to think that a cheep($20.00US) chinese battery has better quality control than it....
i think you need to charge it for 12 hours first.
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Thanks,you were right! An overnight charge of around 12 hours did it.This is the first phone battery I had to do that with to get them to just work at all.Seems to work just fine now Again,thank you!
Let us know how long the battery is lasting once you get a few cycles please!
Yeah, you should run the battery dry, recharge, run dry, recharge and after a few cycles your life should improve.
Will do,just need a few days to do it,its lasting a looooong time!
XPLANE9 said:
Yeah, you should run the battery dry, recharge, run dry, recharge and after a few cycles your life should improve.
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NO, NO, NO. PLEASE stop spreading bad information. This will HARM the battery, and will have 0 benefit. The only "benefit" you can get from this is that the battery meter on the phone's firmware will be calibrated to show a more correct remaining %. You can achieve the same by charging the phone 100% (overnight) going to clockwork recovery and selecting 'wipe battery stats'. Calibrated or not, the battery will last the same, regardless of what % left its showing.
Again for posterity, REPEATED DISCHARGING OF LI-ION BELOW 20% IS BAD FOR THE BATTERY, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GET BETTER.
I am having a similar issue with a battery that I ordered off of ebay. It's 3500mah.
When I plug it in it will turn off and get stuck in a boot loop on the vibrant screen, but if it is off then it won't turn on at all when plugged in. It has been plugged in for 9 hours so far and it doesn't even show the charging animation or anything.
Normal? Or is the battery defective?
Thanks.
Ok. After charging it overnight and still nothing, I'm going to assume its broken. Thanks.
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This is my first post on here,but I've been lurking for ages I just bought a Mugen 3200mAh battery from MugenBattery.com.I already know about not having to condition it(lithium ion),so I ignored the instructions about cycling it and plugged it in and used it right away,and at first it seemed okay for around an hour(I didnt use it at all up to this point,just left it there until I needed it).When I went to unlock my Vibrant from suspend(pushing on the power button),the phone shut off and seemed like it was rebooting...but it just had the first screen you see(the one with Samsung and Vibrant on it) blinking on and off,even when I plugged in the charger in this state,all that popped up was a battery that also blinked on and off.The only way to get it going again was to pull and replace the battery,and it went back on again...then did this all over again when it went into suspend and I tried to unlock it.All the while,the battery stated it had around 75% power,so I have no idea what could have caused this.I put my cheep chinese 2700mAh battery back in and all was well again,so I know its the battery,not the phone.Anyone else have or seen this problem before?This is the most expensive battrery I have ever purchased for a phone at $88.00US....I hate to think that a cheep($20.00US) chinese battery has better quality control than it....
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Not to derail, but how much weight does it add, and how well does the back cover fit on that big Mugen?
it fits good...
lincoln131 said:
Not to derail, but how much weight does it add, and how well does the back cover fit on that big Mugen?
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...and it does get a bit bulky,weight goes up to about double the amount,but it is so worth it,and then some!!I went from 6 hours on the stock battery to over 18 with the Mugen,and thats with heavy use(full brightness/live wallpaper,etc.).If you dont have access to a charger outside your home,this is a great buy,and you know the quality is there,unlike the uncertainty of the cheep chinese ones.Highly recommended!
The OS needs to learn your new battery. Just takes time and usage.
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just bought 3000 mah
just bought one from accessory geeks, it came 70% charged, and am updating battery stats after a full charge, during stat recalibration, power is iffy. will update, and am considering mugen. any suggestions?
I am not so sure about your information
Mannymal said:
NO, NO, NO. PLEASE stop spreading bad information. This will HARM the battery, and will have 0 benefit. The only "benefit" you can get from this is that the battery meter on the phone's firmware will be calibrated to show a more correct remaining %. You can achieve the same by charging the phone 100% (overnight) going to clockwork recovery and selecting 'wipe battery stats'. Calibrated or not, the battery will last the same, regardless of what % left its showing.
Again for posterity, REPEATED DISCHARGING OF LI-ION BELOW 20% IS BAD FOR THE BATTERY, IT'S PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE FOR IT TO GET BETTER.
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I am not so sure about your information. This is what DHGate, a wholesale Chinese online store wrote about the 3000mah battery for Galaxy S [not MUGGEN!]
How to use a new battery:
1. First when you received the battery,. you need to release the power in the battery, just put it into your phone without charging.
2. After the battery power is out, please charge it about 12 hours in first three times.
3. So the battery will be actived. So you can just charge it about 5-7 hours when use in the further.
You can find the URL here:
http://www.dhgate.com/ems-free-i900...-back/p-ff8080812c87c8d9012c97f06d9410ea.html
I also recommend you to read the article "Everything You Need To Know About Bump Charging And Inconsistent Battery Drain" here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
So this a controversial matter, isn't it?
Roby
roby5167 said:
I am not so sure about your information. This is what DHGate, a wholesale Chinese online store wrote about the 3000mah battery for Galaxy S [not MUGGEN!]
How to use a new battery:
1. First when you received the battery,. you need to release the power in the battery, just put it into your phone without charging.
2. After the battery power is out, please charge it about 12 hours in first three times.
3. So the battery will be actived. So you can just charge it about 5-7 hours when use in the further.
You can find the URL here:
http://www.dhgate.com/ems-free-i900...-back/p-ff8080812c87c8d9012c97f06d9410ea.html
I also recommend you to read the article "Everything You Need To Know About Bump Charging And Inconsistent Battery Drain" here:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2010/1...bump-charging-and-inconsistent-battery-drain/
So this a controversial matter, isn't it?
Roby
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No controversies at all. Your info from the link is outright wrong.
Mannymal is correct on this one.
I also have this battery. By the time I got it, Team Whiskeys roms had gotten good enough to where I didn't need an extended battery for day to day use (stock battery usually has 30-40% when i go to bed), but I do use it when I travel, so I don't have to worry about using it like crazy. The battery lasts a long time, probably like 2 or 3 days if I actually tried to drain it, at least. And it's definitely adds bulk, but it's reasonably well made and feels sturdy.
My only complaint is that I sometimes cover the speaker with my finger when I want to silence it real quick, and it doesn't work with this because the cover's so far from the speaker. But that's just my weird thing.
Also, yeah, don't kill your battery. No es bueno.
What is this? How do I read?
What is this? How do I read?
I use a seido innocell battery and it works great after a few over night charges. I get about 8 hours average of talk time. The battery is pretty small compared to the one accessory greeks sell. Even though the ah battery ia twenty five dollars, that is like the entry level name brand battery, it will lady you a while longer than the cheap ones on ebay, but I don't knower about the ones on ebay although I do know about the one ag sells skies down charging after about 45 percent charging. The seido is charging pretty fast for me and is half the price of a mugen, the next battery I'm going to buy will be the nugent, not because I need it, just
Cause I want to enjoy it.
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All batteries are so used it. . . .
All batteries are so used it. . . .
while on charger when the battery is reaching 97% , turn on/off/ the phone
multiple times , each time taking a 2 mins break u will notice the charging takes longer and the percentage is always stuck at 97% - 99%...
another form of bump charging for wp7..basically the phone will take longer to cut off charging at 100%
post yr results here if u saw improved battery life
you will find this quickly damages the long term battery life of your battery
Well that isn't so bad as batteries aren't expensive anymore. Just 12€ or so.
this would probably work for any phone not just HTC but you are basically tricking the phone into over charging the battery which weakens the lifespan of the battery, all for a few extra minutes of battery life, not worth it.
Yea, this is terrible, destructive, downright negligent advice.
Yes, not good. I work with battery chargers and Li battery characteristics and you will actually age and get less capability very shorty doing this so you won't get those extra charge lengths for long (you do this maybe 20 times and you will in worse shape after that than someone just doing normal charge).
Magpir said:
while on charger when the battery is reaching 97% , turn on/off/ the phone
multiple times , each time taking a 2 mins break u will notice the charging takes longer and the percentage is always stuck at 97% - 99%...
another form of bump charging for wp7..basically the phone will take longer to cut off charging at 100%
post yr results here if u saw improved battery life
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are you kidding me??
I already told him to stop posting bs like this and telling people to damage their batteries this way, this thread should be locked.
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Yea, this is terrible, destructive, downright negligent advice.
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Hah, this coming from the guy that advocated doing that.
u understand yr cause of concern....this will not wear out the battery faster...unless batteries that u use do not have rapid discharge capabilities eg. Iphone poly battery.
In this case it will wear out the battery faster
basically the battery wears out the same rate as all other batteries...
the cells degradation occurs each time u charge...
and modern batteries do not overcharge...some like HTC batteries will discharge rapidly to 80%
basically u are just charging the remainder of the cells
Quote me where I advocated doing that.
Please do a post search on me and you'll see that we've had this discussion in the Vibrant forums already, where I stated it was dangrous.
What I do advocate is keeping your phone on a charger whenever possible (bump charging).
I do not advocate tricking the phone into overcharging. No one wants a battery to blow up in their face, you know...
Or maybe you're confusing a confirmation of that working with an advocation that it's okay to do it? In that case, your school district obviously failed. It has nothing to do with what I stated on these forums or otherwise.
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Magpir said:
u understand yr cause of concern....this will not wear out the battery faster...unless batteries that u use do not have rapid discharge capabilities eg. Iphone poly battery.
In this case it will wear out the battery faster
basically the battery wears out the same rate as all other batteries...
the cells degradation occurs each time u charge...
and modern batteries do not overcharge...some like HTC batteries will discharge rapidly to 80%
basically u are just charging the remainder of the cells
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The issue doesn't come from fear of wearing the battery down. It comes from fear of a device blowing up or catching fire on someone who is overcharging it. There is enough evidence even on youtube of batteries going haywire. This is a risky tactic to achieve basically no noticeable increase in battery life.
The HD7 in a high 3G coverage are (full bars, 3+ Mbps download speeds) gets ~4 hours of battery life under heavy use (mostly browsing, reading Pulse Reader Articles, and checking Social Networks now and then - no Music or video - so really it's only heavy in the fact that the phone didn't sleep a lot, should be called more moderate if anything... Phone shows 67% battery left with 2 hours projected uptime). Overcharging your battery won't change that terrible battery life into good battery life. It'll only make it 5 minutes less terrible.
N8ter said:
Quote me where I advocated doing that.
Please do a post search on me and you'll see that we've had this discussion in the Vibrant forums already, where I stated it was dangrous.
What I do advocate is keeping your phone on a charger whenever possible (bump charging).
I do not advocate tricking the phone into overcharging. No one wants a battery to blow up in their face, you know...
Or maybe you're confusing a confirmation of that working with an advocation that it's okay to do it? In that case, your school district obviously failed. It has nothing to do with what I stated on these forums or otherwise.
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The issue doesn't come from fear of wearing the battery down. It comes from fear of a device blowing up or catching fire on someone who is overcharging it. There is enough evidence even on youtube of batteries going haywire. This is a risky tactic to achieve basically no noticeable increase in battery life.
The HD7 in a high 3G coverage are (full bars, 3+ Mbps download speeds) gets ~4 hours of battery life under heavy use (mostly browsing, reading Pulse Reader Articles, and checking Social Networks now and then - no Music or video - so really it's only heavy in the fact that the phone didn't sleep a lot, should be called more moderate if anything... Phone shows 67% battery left with 2 hours projected uptime). Overcharging your battery won't change that terrible battery life into good battery life. It'll only make it 5 minutes less terrible.
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they can only blow up by removing their circuit protection
If you say so
Batteries still overheat, catch fire, and in rare cases blow up. Overcharging them is risky. Yes, it's rare, but would you want to be that 1 in 10,000 case where it does do that, in your pocket or something?
Magpir said:
u understand yr cause of concern....this will not wear out the battery faster...unless batteries that u use do not have rapid discharge capabilities eg. Iphone poly battery.
In this case it will wear out the battery faster
basically the battery wears out the same rate as all other batteries...
the cells degradation occurs each time u charge...
and modern batteries do not overcharge...some like HTC batteries will discharge rapidly to 80%
basically u are just charging the remainder of the cells
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1.) This will wear out battery faster, why? You are fooling the sensor to charge the battery more.
2.) You can overcharge batteries, don´t know where you found out you can´t. The only good thing is, that the modern phones cut out charing when battery is full and is running on charger (to keed battery charged).
3.) My battery is not rapidly discharged to 80%, I charge it up 100%, and it stays there, when your battery quickly discharges to 80%, that´s your problem from experimenting with charging.
Again - STOP TELLING PEOPLE TO KILL THEIR BATTERIES, I told you numerous times, you always act like you invented something, you didn´t, modern batteries use more advanced techniques to help them prevent from being damaged, overcharged, deeply discharged, etc. So stop telling people how to fool these sensor and stress the battery.
Thank you
Hey guys,
I wouldn't recommend this advice as well.
As for me, I bought a second battery 1600mAh.
I use this battery as my primary battery, now I get 30-40% more time on my HTC HD7, and actually can go a whole day with 2G only. While before the phone dies before the end of the day.
While my original battery I keep fully charged sleeping in my wallet, so if the 1600mAh is fully depleted and I'm away from a charging station, I quickly replace and resume working on my phone. This method gets me through a whole day of work+games+social.
I don't remember the price of the 1600 battery but it costed me 10-15 Euros I think.
I believe this is most practical than carrying an attached battery to your phone which results in a gigantic phone in your hands. Or overcharging the OEM battery and probability of having it blow up.
What do you think guys?
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Actually maybe edited and left as a warning for anyone who searches for this method or thinks of doing this method.
Xenohart said:
Hey guys,
I wouldn't recommend this advice as well.
As for me, I bought a second battery 1600mAh.
I use this battery as my primary battery, now I get 30-40% more time on my HTC HD7, and actually can go a whole day with 2G only. While before the phone dies before the end of the day.
While my original battery I keep fully charged sleeping in my wallet, so if the 1600mAh is fully depleted and I'm away from a charging station, I quickly replace and resume working on my phone. This method gets me through a whole day of work+games+social.
I don't remember the price of the 1600 battery but it costed me 10-15 Euros I think.
I believe this is most practical than carrying an attached battery to your phone which results in a gigantic phone in your hands. Or overcharging the OEM battery and probability of having it blow up.
What do you think guys?
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may u give mroe details about the 1600 mah battery?
brand size and where u bought it??
This is the one I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1600MAH-HIGH-CAPACITY-BATTERY-REPLACEMENT-HTC-HD7-/130497652694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e624427d6#ht_2154wt_1139
I found similar hits on ebay USA, but the writing on the battery is different (Even though they are the same brand).
You can search ebay yourself for a similar looking battery to the one I posted.
Xenohart said:
This is the one I bought:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1600MAH-HIGH-CAPACITY-BATTERY-REPLACEMENT-HTC-HD7-/130497652694?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item1e624427d6#ht_2154wt_1139
I found similar hits on ebay USA, but the writing on the battery is different (Even though they are the same brand).
You can search ebay yourself for a similar looking battery to the one I posted.
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does it really last longer???
If you're not supposed to, why does the directions in my 3800 Trexcell say to? So.....To condition or not to condition?
Its not that you are not supposed to, its that it doesn't matter. Li Ion batteries have no memory effect, it doesn't matter if you let it run out and then charge and charge while its off etc. The only thing you dont want to do is let it run down and then not use it for a couple of months, it could ruin it. Obviously that's not going to happen. I also wouldnt constantly charge it just because that strains the battery by reducing the number of charge cycles, but once again, no one leaves their phone plugged in all day and all night.
Its your new battery, just use it and enjoy it and don't worry about all the other stuff.
I googled this if you want to read more on Li Ion.
http://electronics.howstuffworks.com/everyday-tech/lithium-ion-battery.htm
As for why Trexell tells you to condition it: maybe they want you to think its more special than it really is.
I've used my Galaxy Nexus for six months without using a secondary battery. At first I bought the extended battery with extended battery cover, but not only did that make my phone too 'thick', it also seemed that Galaxy Nexus is unable to know which battery is being used, so the battery life seemed incorrect when using the extended battery.
I think this has something to do with the battery info memory that the phone stores.
So I ended up buying a second battery, a replacement battery that is exactly the same as the one I originally have in my Nexus.
But since batteries are still different and are bound to perform differently, I wonder how to manage it correctly? Do I always have to drain the phone completely empty before switching batteries and charging the battery with a separate charging dock? I am worried that the phone considers performance of my battery A as the same as battery B, thus in time ending up with lesser battery life on both due to the confusion.
Are there any tips I should know? I need to use replacement batteries since at times I'm on an extended trips where I might not have the ability to charge the phone, but need to use the phone one way or another.
Thanks!
Ah..... I bought some batteries from Amazon. Cheap, like 20 bucks. They are charged, in my bag, if I run out of juice, I switch and start charging the other one. I still have a 3rd that I've never had to use. Hell I hardly use the 2nd one.
All the other stuff you mentioned, I guess I just don't care about all that. I just know they can hold a charge for quite a while. And that helps me when I need it.
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kristovaher said:
I've used my Galaxy Nexus for six months without using a secondary battery. At first I bought the extended battery with extended battery cover, but not only did that make my phone too 'thick', it also seemed that Galaxy Nexus is unable to know which battery is being used, so the battery life seemed incorrect when using the extended battery.
I think this has something to do with the battery info memory that the phone stores.
So I ended up buying a second battery, a replacement battery that is exactly the same as the one I originally have in my Nexus.
But since batteries are still different and are bound to perform differently, I wonder how to manage it correctly? Do I always have to drain the phone completely empty before switching batteries and charging the battery with a separate charging dock? I am worried that the phone considers performance of my battery A as the same as battery B, thus in time ending up with lesser battery life on both due to the confusion.
Are there any tips I should know? I need to use replacement batteries since at times I'm on an extended trips where I might not have the ability to charge the phone, but need to use the phone one way or another.
Thanks!
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These are Li-ion batteries.. DO NOT DRAIN THEM ALL THE WAY DOWN!
**This shortens the life of the battery**
It is better to charge them whenever you feel like it - these batteries and really almost all phone / laptop batteries these days prefers to be charged in shorter cycles and they also do not need to be charged all the way either - IE lithium ion batteries do not have a memory and do not need to be drained and charged fully.
These ideas come for the ancient Ni-Cad batteries famous in AA rechargeable and cordless phone and really old phones / laptops..
Chances are if your device is less than 5 years old it has Li-Ion batteries and the old school thought will actually shorten the battery life
Battery life meaning the amount of power it holds and the number of charge cycles...
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These are Li-ion batteries.. DO NOT DRAIN THEM ALL THE WAY DOWN!
**This shortens the life of the battery**
It is better to charge them whenever you feel like it - these batteries and really almost all phone / laptop batteries these days prefers to be charged in shorter cycles and they also do not need to be charged all the way either - IE lithium ion batteries do not have a memory and do not need to be drained and charged fully.
These ideas come for the ancient Ni-Cad batteries famous in AA rechargeable and cordless phone and really old phones / laptops..
Chances are if your device is less than 5 years old it has Li-Ion batteries and the old school thought will actually shorten the battery life
Battery life meaning the amount of power it holds and the number of charge cycles...
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I usually forget to unplug my phone when I go to sleep. Any bad effects?
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I usually forget to unplug my phone when I go to sleep. Any bad effects?
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Nope you can do it all the time
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These are Li-ion batteries.. DO NOT DRAIN THEM ALL THE WAY DOWN!
**This shortens the life of the battery**
It is better to charge them whenever you feel like it - these batteries and really almost all phone / laptop batteries these days prefers to be charged in shorter cycles and they also do not need to be charged all the way either - IE lithium ion batteries do not have a memory and do not need to be drained and charged fully.
These ideas come for the ancient Ni-Cad batteries famous in AA rechargeable and cordless phone and really old phones / laptops..
Chances are if your device is less than 5 years old it has Li-Ion batteries and the old school thought will actually shorten the battery life
Battery life meaning the amount of power it holds and the number of charge cycles...
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You CAN drain them down, as much as the phone allows you. Only deep discharge will harm/kill them.
pdxtechdoctor said:
These are Li-ion batteries.. DO NOT DRAIN THEM ALL THE WAY DOWN!
**This shortens the life of the battery**
It is better to charge them whenever you feel like it - these batteries and really almost all phone / laptop batteries these days prefers to be charged in shorter cycles and they also do not need to be charged all the way either - IE lithium ion batteries do not have a memory and do not need to be drained and charged fully.
These ideas come for the ancient Ni-Cad batteries famous in AA rechargeable and cordless phone and really old phones / laptops..
Chances are if your device is less than 5 years old it has Li-Ion batteries and the old school thought will actually shorten the battery life
Battery life meaning the amount of power it holds and the number of charge cycles...
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You cannot drain battery completely empty with a phone. Phone itself will not allow that to happen. Well, it is technically possible, but you need to do a lot more than just drain it until phone shuts down to make it happen.
My problem is that the phone stores information about battery. But if I use two different batteries (despite being the same type and capacity), during battery switches it will not know the battery life of the second battery and can be wrong (as it guesses it based on first battery). People usually delete batterystats file to reset this information, but that sounds pointless to do after every battery switch.
I guess I'll just discharge one battery to about 50% and then store it for just-in-case purposes.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...-battery-stats-does-not-improve-battery-life/
Just a quick link to help out, if you want more info you'll have to Google it yourself
You can use 2 different size batteries without decreasing their usable life per charge.
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Dunno how to say it in English but physically my battery is getting bigger, and when on battery low, it gives me the notification and the phone just turns of on the same second.
The battery is starting to be like a balloon and and hardly fits in the phone, can anyone tell me what's happening?
btw, I'm using the stock ROM now.
Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.
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iDelta said:
Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.
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Thanks for the reply, but does anyone knows why did this happen? My device is 1 year old last week, it shouldn't happen that fast I guess.
Osoris said:
Thanks for the reply, but does anyone knows why did this happen? My device is 1 year old last week, it shouldn't happen that fast I guess.
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there are many reasons why your battery is bloated .......... one of charging too much time away from his proper time, time you charge the phone you are using (playing games) .....
sorry with my english
Correct
hazikh said:
there are many reasons why your battery is bloated .......... one of charging too much time away from his proper time, time you charge the phone you are using (playing games) .....
sorry with my english
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I use it a lot while charging specially for games, and lots if times I had to charge it while it's still have more than 40%. OK lesson learned and the new battery will be treated differently. Thanks.
Osoris said:
I use it a lot while charging specially for games, and lots if times I had to charge it while it's still have more than 40%. OK lesson learned and the new battery will be treated differently. Thanks.
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Hi, found this on eHow and as automobile electrician dealing sometimes also with batteries i cannot confirm that your battery was bloated just because of playing games an charge phone at same time. Li-Ion cells don't like to be fully discharged. When u charge them before they go out of power is the best you can do to preserve their capacity.
Don't use your phone with silicon case when gaming because it can prevent air ventilation in the phone and cause it to heat up more when placed under heavy load like when playing games.
And now what can contibute to a battery bloatup:
Battery Components
• Most cell phone batteries contain a lithium-ion mixture. Lithium is an alkaline metal, and its ion simply has more electrons than protons. The battery also contains a positive and negative electrode, and when you use the battery, the lithium ions move from one to the other, creating an electric charge. Under normal circumstances, the lithium ions can continue to absorb and dissipate energy. However, if you expose the battery to certain conditions, its chemistry can change, causing undesirable effects.
Water Damage
• Your cell phone battery is extremely sensitive to water. The plastic casing provides some protection; however, if you expose the metal electrodes to water, they can corrode and become ineffective. Water leaking into the batteries case can cause it to appear bloated. Discard such a battery immediately because the lithium solvent can be harmful if you come into contact with it. If the phone has been submerged in water, this is usually enough to cause water damage to the battery if there is not a tight seal between the battery and the phone.
Heat Damage
• The lithium solvent that carries the charge from electrode to electrode is extremely sensitive to heat. If you expose the phone to temperatures that considerably exceed 77 degrees Fahrenheit, the battery may lose its ability to hold a charge over time. This is considered normal. However, if you consistently expose it to higher temperatures, then you can cause the lithium-ion mixture to rupture the cell, which can cause the battery to appear bloated. Most lithium-ion batteries contain fail-safes that prevent them from operating in extreme temperatures, but there is no guarantee that these will work in every case.
Prevention
• Prevent damage of this sort from occurring by not exposing your phone to extreme temperatures and unsafe environments. For example, do not bring your mobile phone near pools or inside of saunas. On hot summer days, keep the phone and other electronics out of direct sunlight.
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bhun said:
Hi, found this on eHow and as automobile electrician dealing sometimes also with batteries i cannot confirm that your battery was bloated just because of playing games an charge phone at same time.
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But I can confirm this. I´m having actually here 4 batteries for the SGW and one of them is bloated due to heavy usage while charging the battery. This battery was my best battery but now it´s just a paperweight. It´s still working well though it´s bloated, but I´m not going to risk anything.
You can´t simply compare a car with its lead battery to this device, because in the car the battery is just needed to start the car. Once the engine is running the battery is not needed as the generator is producing enough electricity for the entire car and to charge the not needed battery.
You can even remove the lead battery completely and just connect the car to a powerfull enough source to get it started. Onec its running, you can remove the source too and it will continue to run.
With the SGW and its LI-Ion battery things are a bit different. You for example can´t simply plug in the charger and turn the device on without the battery. The battery is still neeeded to power on the device for two reasons. First is the charger might be not strong enough to offer enough power but the obvious one is, the circuit inside the phone reduces the charging current to a max. level and the voltage to be 4.2V max. It acts like a constant current and constant voltage source where the preset max limits can´t be exeeded. The real charging current and voltage are depending to the charging level and the battery resistance, but will never exeed the max limits in a proper working circuit.
Additionally this circuit is feeding the battery directly, so the current is floating first into the battery and then the battery is feeding the entire device. So at heavy usage the power offered by the circuit will be not enough to be simply passed to the device and so the battery will be stressed twice, as it´s charging and discharging at the same time.
This is still a simplyfied explanation to what is really going on, but explains a little bit why you can´t compare a car with it´s battery to this device.
Also, the batteries for the SGW do not offer it´s own protection circuit. The only circuit that protects the battery is build in into the phone.
So the best advice that can be given here is to avoid heavy usage while the battery is being charged. Better charge it first, use it then and recharge when not in use.
bhun said:
Lithium is an alkaline metal, and its ion simply has more electrons than protons.
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I´m not sure where you digged this out, but this is simply not the full truth. In neutral stage each element is having as much electrons as much protons it has. Ions are either having temporaly more or less electrons. They can be ionized positive or negative.
In a normal Li-Ion battery it´s the anode that consists of lithium and is having positive lithium ions, so less electrons than protons.
In a lead battery both, the anode and the cathode consist of lead. One is positive ionized and the other one negative.
honeyx said:
But I can confirm this. I´m having actually here 4 batteries for the SGW and one of them is bloated due to heavy usage while charging the battery. This battery was my best battery but now it´s just a paperweight. It´s still working well though it´s bloated, but I´m not going to risk anything.
You can´t simply compare a car with its lead battery to this device, because in the car the battery is just needed to start the car. Once the engine is running the battery is not needed as the generator is producing enough electricity for the entire car and to charge the not needed battery.
You can even remove the lead battery completely and just connect the car to a powerfull enough source to get it started. Onec its running, you can remove the source too and it will continue to run.
With the SGW and its LI-Ion battery things are a bit different. You for example can´t simply plug in the charger and turn the device on without the battery. The battery is still neeeded to power on the device for two reasons. First is the charger might be not strong enough to offer enough power but the obvious one is, the circuit inside the phone reduces the charging current to a max. level and the voltage to be 4.2V max. It acts like a constant current and constant voltage source where the preset max limits can´t be exeeded. The real charging current and voltage are depending to the charging level and the battery resistance, but will never exeed the max limits in a proper working circuit.
Additionally this circuit is feeding the battery directly, so the current is floating first into the battery and then the battery is feeding the entire device. So at heavy usage the power offered by the circuit will be not enough to be simply passed to the device and so the battery will be stressed twice, as it´s charging and discharging at the same time.
This is still a simplyfied explanation to what is really going on, but explains a little bit why you can´t compare a car with it´s battery to this device.
Also, the batteries for the SGW do not offer it´s own protection circuit. The only circuit that protects the battery is build in into the phone.
So the best advice that can be given here is to avoid heavy usage while the battery is being charged. Better charge it first, use it then and recharge when not in use.
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Sorry if it souded as i would compare a Li-Ion to a lead battery. I was actually not doing that. By that i meant that i understand somewhat of batteries. I've learned about batteries (how different types work) back in school. All Li-Ion based batteries have their own protecting circuit. It is not depending on the phone. This circuit built in every Li-Ion based battery prevents it from beeing overcharged, wich would result in the battery exploding. It also gives the phone a limited feedback on battery charge status, and perhaps somewhat potecting the battery to be fully drained wich would result in irreversible damage to the cells. I agree with you that it is better to charge when not using them, but in real life this is not easy to do when you (by what cause ever) want or have to use your device. I am not a gamer so i am not using my phone that way.
Since i am using my phone lots of times plugged on a charger, making phonecalls and doing other stuff like email, surfing the web, watching videos and so on, and never get close to that issue (battery is almost 2 years old) i still don't think that that would be the biggest problem.
On hot days is it not recommended to use our devices with heavy loads, ofcourse you could climb into the fridge (may not be a problem then), and it is also advised to avoid humidity. That's all i know for now, that it would contribute to a bloated battery.
Sorry if i unattendedly caused some confusion.
bhun said:
Sorry if it souded as i would compare a Li-Ion to a lead battery.
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No problem, I´m just trying to clarify this
but with this I have to disagree
bhun said:
All Li-Ion based batteries have their own protecting circuit. It is not depending on the phone. This circuit built in every Li-Ion based battery prevents it from beeing overcharged, wich would result in the battery exploding. It also gives the phone a limited feedback on battery charge status, and perhaps somewhat potecting the battery to be fully drained wich would result in irreversible damage to the cells
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Not all Li-Ion batteries have their own protection ciurcuit. Only the protected ones. Do a search on google about protected and not protected Li-Ion batteries.
In cellphones most batteries are not protected ones because of the circuit taking to much space and so incrasing the battery size a lot. Therefore the protection circuit gets moved into the phone but the battery itself is not protected at all. In most batteries the feedback you will only get is the temperature. It´s mostly a simple thermistor either being somwhere close to the battery or inside the battery. The rest is calculated by knowing the capacity and monitoring the voltage and current drain.
So the only circuit you will find in not protected batteries is the one for reading the thermistor, if there is one build in. But this circuit will not protect the battery against a short circuit.
Just to not confuse about this. There are of course protected batteries for cellphones as long the circuit can fit into the part where the connections are.
But the truth is this circuit can fail to disconnect the battery from a short circuit and there are even batteries with fake protection. So there is a pcb with a circuit, but this is just fake and doing nothing.
However regarding this discussion about bloated batteries it doesn´t matter the battery has a protection circuit or not. The protection circuit only disconnects the battery if a short circuit occurs or the battery voltage drops below 3V.
Buy a new battery.
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iDelta said:
Your battery is bloated. Congratulations. To fix this, there is only one solution. Change your battery.
Sent from my 4.1 running Galaxy W.
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That is the best answer for your problem, maybe to alot of overcharge :angel: