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[Q] Keep my GS3 or switch to HTC One X?

I just got a Galaxy S3 on AT&T and the majority of the features, little things, that just make it more pleasant to use are probably available in 3rd party apps, so I'm wondering if the SGS3 is worth the $100 premium over the HOX? I posted this thread in the SGS 3 forum too a week or two ago and they said I should post it here too for some insight from HOX owners.
Another reason I was kind of considering the HOX over the SGS3 is that I've had two phones stolen and I just had my Skyrocket stolen, which prompted the upgrade, so with the HOX, you can't take the battery out. Am I correct in believing that that makes it less likely to get stolen? Because I thought that even if the phone was off but the battery was in, it could be tracked. Is this right or wrong?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
Greg

Ferrari353 said:
I just got a Galaxy S3 on AT&T and the majority of the features, little things, that just make it more pleasant to use are probably available in 3rd party apps, so I'm wondering if the SGS3 is worth the $100 premium over the HOX? I posted this thread in the SGS 3 forum too a week or two ago and they said I should post it here too for some insight from HOX owners.
Another reason I was kind of considering the HOX over the SGS3 is that I've had two phones stolen and I just had my Skyrocket stolen, which prompted the upgrade, so with the HOX, you can't take the battery out. Am I correct in believing that that makes it less likely to get stolen? Because I thought that even if the phone was off but the battery was in, it could be tracked. Is this right or wrong?
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance!
Greg
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leave that piece of plastic and join us! however i don't know if the phone could be tracked never wondered this thing

I like the feel of the HOX, My missus has the SGS3 and every time I lay my hands on it makes me love the build quality of the HOX. Another plus for me is Sense. As mentioned in previous post........join us!

They're about equal imo. HOX has nicer build and screen. SGS3 has better camera and dev community.
No point switching unless you're unhappy with the SGS3.
You might also want to consider the Nexus 4.

Michealtbh said:
They're about equal imo. HOX has nicer build and screen. SGS3 has better camera and dev community.
No point switching unless you're unhappy with the SGS3.
You might also want to consider the Nexus 4.
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The Nexus 4 seems really nice, but it doesn't have 4G LTE and no SD card slot. Maybe I could handle just one of them, but both? It seems like so much sacrifice....Although the price is really nice.

Ferrari353 said:
The Nexus 4 seems really nice, but it doesn't have 4G LTE and no SD card slot.
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Well, you're in the Tegra 3 One X forum, this One X doesn't support LTE either and has no SD slot.

im thinking of swapping my HOX to SGS3/NOTE 2 because i'm a little frustrated with the JB update. went to the mall yesterday and feel the note2 and sgs3. and i dont see anything that would really make me swap my HOX. i still like my phone. i'll just wait for the JB update. it's always a matter of preference and how do you use your phone.

I'm just gonna throw some points.
Sense is a big advantage but it is heavy.
HOX has cooler design ?
One X has a brighter and REAL HD display, S3 also has an HD display but its RGB components are not equal in size(makes it worse), S3 has true black colors ?
S3 supports SD
Personally I think its a bad idea to switch between equal phones. At least go for the HOX+.
On the other topic, You can report your phone stolen and your carrier will blacklist(and block) your IMEI and CAN(but not sure if allowed) track the next user's info. But theres absolutely no way to track the phone even if its on, unless
-you installed some app which tracks the phone "WHEN IT IS CONNECTED TO INTERNET (3G/WIFI)" or
-if your SIM is still in the phone and the police triangulates its position (they use this to track criminals and i don't think they will do this for a stolen phone)

Is the bootloader on the HOX+ locked or unlocked?

Ferrari353 said:
Is the bootloader on the HOX+ locked or unlocked?
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It comes locked but is unlockable like most HTC devices.

Michealtbh said:
It comes locked but is unlockable like most HTC devices.
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So does that mean it's root-able once the bootloader is unlocked?

Lets say (hypothetically) the device doesn't get unlocked in the next few weeks...

What do you do?
Do you jump ship to a sure thing that can be unlocked? Do you look into an unlocked developers edition Moto X? Do you jump ship from Verizon and wait for a Nexus 5? These are the questions I have.
ALSO what would you take:
A) Great phone (say Nexus 5) on a sub par carrier? (AT&T/T-Mobile)
or
B) Good phone (Moto X) on a great carrier like Verizon?

I would like a Nexus 5 but oddly, it's cheaper for me to stay on Verizon and the coverage can't be beat. I love the feel of the One and even though I'm an aosp kinda guy, this phone doesn't feel bloated at all when you run a different launcher. I'm easily going to stick this one out till my next upgrade.

Hand76 said:
What do you do?
Do you jump ship to a sure thing that can be unlocked? Do you look into an unlocked developers edition Moto X? Do you jump ship from Verizon and wait for a Nexus 5? These are the questions I have.
ALSO what would you take:
A) Great phone (say Nexus 5) on a sub par carrier? (AT&T/T-Mobile)
or
B) Good phone (Moto X) on a great carrier like Verizon?
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First off, my Verizon HTC One is already unlocked/rooted thanks to doing the HTCDev unlock on day one.
I would still keep this phone though if I was still locked and it didn't get unlocked any time soon. I am very happy with this phone even in stock form. Luckily I do not have to worry about it though. I just really hope ARHD and/or Venom get ported to the Verizon variant. I worry if these will ever get ported though since there is no longer a way to currently unlock/root.

I'm still going to stick it out, I just wish I didnt need to deal with the vzw bloat

I give my devices 6 months.
After that, I find another one
I enjoy this phone a lot though.

so unsure
The debate in my head is eating me up. I don't know what to do!
While I like the phone a lot so far (though, haven't experimented too much). I really don't like the blink feed and a bunch of stuff they've done. I really wish I could just have vanilla 4.2.2 or 4.3
That said though, I really like Verizon's network and I have a discount with Verizon and a family plan. So it's really not so expensive for me.
Will VZW even carry the next nexus subsidized?
I just wish I had bought the phone ~15 mins earlier, then I would be unlocked. Now I just wish there is an unlock before my return period is up.
I think I may return the phone and just wait for something better, but I really don't know! First world problems!

EncodedNybble said:
Will VZW even carry the next nexus subsidized?
I just wish I had bought the phone ~15 mins earlier, then I would be unlocked. Now I just wish there is an unlock before my return period is up.
I think I may return the phone and just wait for something better, but I really don't know! First world problems!
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Chance of Verizon getting a Nexus 5 is slim to none. You want a phone close to stock android unlocked from the start on Verizon the only thing I see on the horizon is the developers edition Moto X.
And yea first world problems indeed.

I like the One even without unlock, so I'll keep it until a better phone comes out. However, after having the iPhone 5 with the metal & glass back and the HTC One and it's all metal body, I will never go back to a plastic body phone. I hope the other manufactures up their quality big time. No more plastic for me.

EncodedNybble said:
The debate in my head is eating me up. I don't know what to do!
While I like the phone a lot so far (though, haven't experimented too much). I really don't like the blink feed and a bunch of stuff they've done. I really wish I could just have vanilla 4.2.2 or 4.3
That said though, I really like Verizon's network and I have a discount with Verizon and a family plan. So it's really not so expensive for me.
Will VZW even carry the next nexus subsidized?
I just wish I had bought the phone ~15 mins earlier, then I would be unlocked. Now I just wish there is an unlock before my return period is up.
I think I may return the phone and just wait for something better, but I really don't know! First world problems!
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Use the APEX Launcher and you won't have mess with BlinkFeed or the vzw bloat, and will have 5 screens to use. And the phone is plenty fast.
Sent from my 4G LTE HTC One

My primary intention with an unlocked bootloader is to go near minimalist while maintaining the integrity of Sense 5. Now that Sense has several incarnations I might even find legacy Sense combined with Sense 5 an interesting custom ROM to run (I.e. Sense 5 with the full screen weather ani.actions that Sense 4 had.)
This is all under the assumption that we get unlocked, which if you consider the history of technology, there is generally no immunization available for a bug yet to be discovered, so hboot 1.54 will definitely get an exploit, the matter is time before technology advances to another stage.
That being said, considering it has taken this long without demonstrated progress to a permaroot situation, it's unlikely that we see one before the return period.
With all that in mind, your best bet isn't to worry about what phone has an exploit available, but what options your phone can have in the future, in this case you have the option to run practically every launcher or software, including Sense, which I happen to like, and from my Dinc days, have seen tons of cross bred ROMs that gave me the option to customize when I was bored. I think ultimately having a daily driver for over a month and I'm pretty much bored with any phone, and I just had the GNex. Had tons of "custom" ROMs, all with the same look and feel. And of course if you're a hardware junkie the One can't be beat imo.
I guess I'll probably keep it but I don't give up hope that we may have an exploit before next Thursday, in which case I'll be thinking much harder about it than I am now.

josh995 said:
I like the One even without unlock, so I'll keep it until a better phone comes out. However, after having the iPhone 5 with the metal & glass back and the HTC One and it's all metal body, I will never go back to a plastic body phone. I hope the other manufactures up their quality big time. No more plastic for me.
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I couldn't agree more! The HTC One is such a sexy piece of engineering. I love that cold sensation you get when you pick it up for the first time in the morning. There is NO way I could go back to anything else!

Personally, I would love to come back to HTC. On the Samsung galaxy note 2 right now and its driving me crazy with dropped calls, dropping 4g to 3g that my rezound, thunderbolt, kids dna's just don't do. Got the Note 2 because of storage and battery life, which are very nice, but the plastic build sucks big time.
Development for the note 2 is pretty good which helps, but honestly, on today's phones, there just isn't a ton of improvement needed out of the box so romming isn't as important.
Quick question: is there even a temporary root option? Biggest concern is being able to keep game data on titanium.

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Quick question: is there even a temporary root option? Biggest concern is being able to keep game data on titanium.
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Nope not now. And that is a big one for me too.
Google get your %^& together and give us an easy to use backup and restore system in the OS already...How have they not done this already?

josh995 said:
I like the One even without unlock, so I'll keep it until a better phone comes out. However, after having the iPhone 5 with the metal & glass back and the HTC One and it's all metal body, I will never go back to a plastic body phone. I hope the other manufactures up their quality big time. No more plastic for me.
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same thing for me. I played with a motoX in best buy (STT) and not only was it already non-functioning, but damn it felt so cheap compared to this phone. Though I will admit the 4.7 inch screen in such a small housing made it very comfortable to maneuver with one hand (at least as easy as I can tell when working with a blank, non-working screen )

On my DNA I switched back and forth between CM and Sense 5, I love both. I'll stick with the one even if no unlock is achieved because A: I do like sense 5 and B: the build quality on this phone is the best I've ever felt. I would like to give CM a run on this phone though, so I'm hoping for an unlock soon.
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I would still keep my unlocked one
Sent from my HTC One VZW using Tapatalk 4

If I Run Apex/Nova, is Blinkfeed still running in the background?
I want to eliminate the drain from blinkfeed, but will stick to the stock Sense launcher if running Apex is just adding a second layer. Is Sense Launcher loaded if using another launcher?
Thanks!
coldconfession13 said:
I would still keep my unlocked one
Sent from my HTC One VZW using Tapatalk 4
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I'm having the same dilemma. Love the hardware/feel of the One, but can't stand sense or the idea if running a skin on top of another skin. Not to mention built in WiFi which I use quite a bit (unlimited plan).
I kept my galaxy nexus longer than any other cellphone since my first in 1993, because I've been able to flash lean ROMs, keeping it useful well beyond it's time.
MotoX developer edition is on the horizon if this phone is not unlocked within a few days.

Frankie1588 said:
First off, my Verizon HTC One is already unlocked/rooted thanks to doing the HTCDev unlock on day one.
I would still keep this phone though if I was still locked and it didn't get unlocked any time soon. I am very happy with this phone even in stock form. Luckily I do not have to worry about it though. I just really hope ARHD and/or Venom get ported to the Verizon variant. I worry if these will ever get ported though since there is no longer a way to currently unlock/root.
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Bad news, venom already said they weren't going to support the verizon one. They're looking at the next verizon htc phone, the really big one.

MajikUF said:
Bad news, venom already said they weren't going to support the verizon one. They're looking at the next verizon htc phone, the really big one.
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Damn, that's disappointing

Confused - S4 Sucked will HTC One be any better - Back to iPhone

So,
6 months ago I decided to try out the iPhone. It was an experiment that ended up with me thinking apple is not that bad. But i love tinkering and the tinkering itch was back. So I did a straight trade with someone, my iPhone 5 16 for an S4. Mine you before the iPhone I rocked a rooted GNex running AOSP, before that a rooted Droid X AOSP, a rooted DInc running AOSP and my first phone a Moto Droid original NOT rooted.
So here I am with this S4 and before I bought it I checked to see if there were any ROM's see the activity and it was booming. So F it, got it only to find out it had the latest bootloader that was unlockable. Touchwiz sucks, I tried it for a few days until I said F It and sold it. Now I'm on the boat another iPhone 5 or try the HTC One.
I don't see much development activity but with the people that have been here a while. Can you give insight, it just got cracked and it I get it, it will be S-Off and Unlocked before you can sneeze.
A little thought and guidance would be helpful.
Thanks

I think u already know u want the Crapple.
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jorv976 said:
I think u already know u want the Crapple.
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Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.

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Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.
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There are several Google Play Edition and CM-based ROMs for the HTC One in the development section.
I was kind of in the same boat as you. I had an iPhone 5 but I missed the customization of Android, plus I REALLY wanted a bigger screen. Got a Galaxy S4 but really didn't like it - too locked down and TouchWiz sucks.
So, sold the S4 and got the HTC One. First thing I did was mail it off for S-OFF (before the software S-OFF was available). Unlocked bootloader and debloated this thing. Right now, I'm running completely stock ROM with bloat removed because I actually like Sense. It's FANTASTIC in all regards.

There's already several solid options for the stock android experience in the original development thread + slimrom which isn't listed. Have you read anything on this forum yet? + its already s-off and unlocked.

With a software exploit only made availble a couple of weeks ago, it will take time for a large amount of ROMS to be released. There are already 5-7 and more coming every day. If you like tinkering, not even sure why you would consider an iPhone. Even my 70 year old mother got bored of the iPhone and made the switch to Android.
If you want a solid phone that works and you don't mind drinking the Apple Kool Aid and remaining totally stock, get the iPhone 5. If you want anything more from your device, get an HTC One. Pretty simple really.

Came from the Gnex just like you and got antsy at upgrade time and pulled the trigger early and got the S4, too. While it was a decent phone, the bloat was unbelievable and I found that I'm no fan of touchwiz. And I agree that the notification area is bombed out pretty heavily.
I returned my S4 after a week because the One was available on Verizon and never looked back. Completely happy on stock with a couple mods from the themes and apps section and Xposed framework. I'm curious to try Viper when it's available for us but truly am content with stock until then.
I'm not going to dump on the iPhone. It's a solidly built, locked down device. My wife has one and is happy with it but I like to tinker and have all the options that Android brings to the table. There's quite a few solid AOSP and Sense based roms right now, like others have said before me, and it looks like more are coming.

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Not Really Jorv... I love me a stock android experience and if I can eventually get that with the HTC. I would sign up for it in a heartbeat. I think Sense to have cut back. Rock the HTC One with say Nova and get rid of the bulk of the terrible things Sense offers.
One thing I could not stand with the S4, is that they cluttered the notification panel and status bar with crap. Way too much I did NOT or want.
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I think you'll be surprised with Sense. It's actually pretty nice, especially for photos, etc. Like mentioned before, though, if you like tinkering you're just wasting your time getting an iPhone.

Mike02z said:
With a software exploit only made availble a couple of weeks ago, it will take time for a large amount of ROMS to be released. There are already 5-7 and more coming every day. If you like tinkering, not even sure why you would consider an iPhone. Even my 70 year old mother got bored of the iPhone and made the switch to Android.
If you want a solid phone that works and you don't mind drinking the Apple Kool Aid and remaining totally stock, get the iPhone 5. If you want anything more from your device, get an HTC One. Pretty simple really.
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Yes. And you don't want to wait too long to get it either. The thing with software exploits is that they can be easily patched, which is guaranteed to happen to the current rumrunner s-off exploit with the 4.3 roll out. This is perhaps the only occasion where Verizon's slow upgrade actually works in the consumer's favor.

rmd0311 said:
So,
6 months ago I decided to try out the iPhone. It was an experiment that ended up with me thinking apple is not that bad. But i love tinkering and the tinkering itch was back. So I did a straight trade with someone, my iPhone 5 16 for an S4. Mine you before the iPhone I rocked a rooted GNex running AOSP, before that a rooted Droid X AOSP, a rooted DInc running AOSP and my first phone a Moto Droid original NOT rooted.
So here I am with this S4 and before I bought it I checked to see if there were any ROM's see the activity and it was booming. So F it, got it only to find out it had the latest bootloader that was unlockable. Touchwiz sucks, I tried it for a few days until I said F It and sold it. Now I'm on the boat another iPhone 5 or try the HTC One.
I don't see much development activity but with the people that have been here a while. Can you give insight, it just got cracked and it I get it, it will be S-Off and Unlocked before you can sneeze.
A little thought and guidance would be helpful.
Thanks
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Like you, I tried the iPhone for a little while and while its a great device, I can see why a lot of people like it, I just got bored with the UI and frustrated by the lack of capabilities after about 6 months and bought the S3. The S3 was a fantastic phone, TW wasn't so heavy that it effected phone performance severely and overall I was very happy. We switched from Sprint to Verizon and when we did, I bought the S4. I figured I liked the S3 so much that the S4 could only be better. Boy was I wrong, TW has grown to be far too large, device performance was disappointing and the UI is starting to look dated. There were ROMs available to alleviate some of my concerns but overall I was never satisfied with it.
So, I decided to try out the One after I saw S-OFF was achieved. To be honest, I've rooted, jailbroke, unlocked, etc all of my phones since the HTC mogul in 2007. This is the first time I've stayed on a basically stock ROM when other options were available. Sense 5 is so nice, it's very smooth, light weight, and unlike TW doesn't seem like its trying to cover up Android. The HTC One and the S4 use the same processor but the fluidity and general performance on the One is noticeably better, even with the CPU underclocked. The hardware is my favorite of any phone available, its beautiful, sleek and feels really nice in my hand. I'd say at least go play with one before deciding. After I spent 10 minutes with one at Best Buy I was sure I'd be happy with the device.
ROM activity is increasing but honestly, with xposed framework and the available modules, a stock debloated ROM really goes a long way.

I own The HTC One, SG3, and SG4.
SG3 kicked ASS!
HTC One blow them all out the water.
Sg4 is blah and I may sell for moto x.

Thanks for all the responses it has been extremely helpful. I just checked it out from a co-worker who has it. It really is a clean device. The bloat is definitely not there like it is from the SG4. Does anyone here take a lot of pictures with the phone. How's that 4MP camera that lets in more light...

rmd0311 said:
Thanks for all the responses it has been extremely helpful. I just checked it out from a co-worker who has it. It really is a clean device. The bloat is definitely not there like it is from the SG4. Does anyone here take a lot of pictures with the phone. How's that 4MP camera that lets in more light...
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I take a lot of pictures of my kids, and with it getting cooler outside many of those pics will be indoors with less than ideal lighting. In these situations I've been very pleased with the pictures I get. Even blowing up those pictures for use as by desktop background the pics still look very good.
I bought the One before selling the S4. My two concerns about the One compared to the S4 were the camera and battery. I've been satisfied with both.

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I own The HTC One, SG3, and SG4.
SG3 kicked ASS!
HTC One blow them all out the water.
Sg4 is blah and I may sell for moto x.
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Of the competing phones I have tested extensively the LG G2 and the Droid Maxx. The G2 was a braindead phone. Whenever I pick it up I had an urge to throw it away, so that was out of the equation.
The Droid Maxx really had me torn. It had close to vanilla Android, superb build quality (this is subjective, but to me the Maxx felt much better in the hand than the One), and, most important of all, the amazing battery life. I just loved that phone, it had everything I wanted in a phone. I was pretty sure the Maxx was going to be my main phone for at least the next year.
Then the HTC One killed it in one arena: signal reception. Now we live in a fringe area of Verizon 4G coverage. Our old phone, the Gnex, absolutely struggles to hold on to the 4G signal. It would drop in and out of 4G many times in an hour, in the best reception areas we can find in the house. The 4G->3G handoff is hard, meaning all data connections gets dropped, so in reality we have to turn off LTE while at home. Both the G2 and the Droid Maxx have about the same signal quality, which is significantly better than the Gnex, but they would still drop 4G from time to time. The One however, simply blows all its competition out of the water in this aspect. It would display 4 bars(!) of LTE in most areas of the house, while the G2 and Maxx would have 2 bars. At first I thought it must be a cheap trick by HTC. The signal strength in the phone status show identical numbers across the phones, and the One just show more bars for the same signal strength. But after more than a week of extensive use on my wife's One, this phone has _never_ dropped the 4G signal in our house in that entire time! Even in the bathroom where we barely get our own wifi signal, the One would somehow miraculously hang on to one bar of LTE, and still maintain a reasonable download speed!
What magic HTC did on this phone I have no idea, but I'm sold, exchanged my Maxx for the One, and now I'm a happy camper

Yeah., over the years I have ditch my point and shoot and have been using my phones for pics and the DSLR for shots. The GNex took terrible the pics, the iPhone was a descent point and shooter. That is what I need a descent point and shoot camera.

I have an iPhone 5 for work and the One. My god, I can never look at the iPhone after using my phone for a few minutes. I know it was this huge marketing this against Apple but the screen size of the iPhone really is a HUGE negative for me.

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Yeah., over the years I have ditch my point and shoot and have been using my phones for pics and the DSLR for shots. The GNex took terrible the pics, the iPhone was a descent point and shooter. That is what I need a descent point and shoot camera.
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Yeah, I used to be an SLR guy until I got my Sony RX-100 last year. I used to use it all the time, but the One is good enough that I don't use the RX-100 except for special occasions when I know I'll be taking dozens of pictures.

Coming from a camera on a phone, I'd say the One has one of the best to date. Might not be as epic as the unit on the Lumia 1020, but it definitely holds its own. I snap tons of photos, the the camera in this phone in my opinion trashes the camera in my sister in laws iPhone 5. Either way, the One is an excellent device and coming from my kickin SGS2, in more than happy. The s4 just doesn't compete in the features even though the cpu in the One is running at a slightly lower frequency. I won't even look at the s4 now. This phone stole my damn heart and VanirAOSP put the icing on my cake.
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rmd0311 said:
So,
6 months ago I decided to try out the iPhone. It was an experiment that ended up with me thinking apple is not that bad. But i love tinkering and the tinkering itch was back. So I did a straight trade with someone, my iPhone 5 16 for an S4. Mine you before the iPhone I rocked a rooted GNex running AOSP, before that a rooted Droid X AOSP, a rooted DInc running AOSP and my first phone a Moto Droid original NOT rooted.
So here I am with this S4 and before I bought it I checked to see if there were any ROM's see the activity and it was booming. So F it, got it only to find out it had the latest bootloader that was unlockable. Touchwiz sucks, I tried it for a few days until I said F It and sold it. Now I'm on the boat another iPhone 5 or try the HTC One.
I don't see much development activity but with the people that have been here a while. Can you give insight, it just got cracked and it I get it, it will be S-Off and Unlocked before you can sneeze.
A little thought and guidance would be helpful.
Thanks
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Once again with these "not much developement" comments.. You do realize having 99 copies of one rom isn't development... We have a wonderful variety of roms. Posting threads like this are likely to irritate people. If you want 50 copies of a rom get a nexus device. Follow the golden rule.. If you aren't happy running stock and never expecting it to be updated NEVER buy it. You don't buy bread for the poop you'll turn it into... Be realistic. /rant

I recently went from S3 to 5s and now to the One. I gave the 5s 2-3 solid weeks of trial before I started looking for something else. The only way possible I can explain how anyone would want an iPhone is that out of the box they want a finished product that you install music and apps on. It just seemed so limited on what you could do with it. Something as simple as copying ringtones over was a huge fiasco. Picking the keyboard you want. Etc etc.
My only complaints are the fixed buttons. Maybe I'm just so use to the s3, but the back arrow is opposite on this phone and doesn't seem as convenient with the thumb. I wish the htc logo acted as the home button as well and the home button was swapped on the other side as a menu button. In a few months, hopefully I feel differently. But, I do appreciate the galaxy nexus navigation buttons being able to be changed however you want. wish they would've done the same here.

Will you be upgrading from the HTC One M7?

Will you/did you upgrade from the M7 to the M8? If you're sticking with the M7 why?
I'm not sure? I'm interested to hear other's opinions.

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Will you/did you upgrade from the M7 to the M8? If you're sticking with the M7 why?
I'm not sure? I'm interested to hear other's opinions.
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I upgraded from the M7, you can't go wrong either way. The M7 was the best smart phone I've ever had but I like to have the latest things so I took the plunge for the M8. The two very small gripes with my M7 were the purple tint issue and the battery life. After 8+ months of ownership I was only just getting a day on battery if that on light/moderate usage. The M8s battery life is 40% better than the M7 so that is a huge increase. The purple tint issue has also been fixed. It's not a huge upgrade and if I were tight on money I could EASILY of kept the M7 till 2015. Your choice. This might get locked as it's a phone comparison thread but hey ho.

Thanks for your thoughts.. I agree about the battery. 12 months on I can certainly see the decay.
I hope this doesn't get locked as it is useful to those like me who have the previous model and are debating to upgrading to the next generation.
I understand comparison threads being closed, but this is discussing the same manufacturer and practically the same model, just the upgraded version. Normally flame wars happen between other OEMs like Samsung and HTC.
I imagine this thread would be useful to others who are undecided on wether to splash out of commit for another 2 years on a device that may in the real world seem just the same as the M7
Hope we can keep this discussion going!:fingers-crossed:

i am!

Yup, already did.

Hmmm...shall I... shant I...
Been sat on the checkout screen since yesterday...
My m7..there's nowt wrong with it.... But I like to have the latest HTC..decisions!

Mee too. I cant ignore design and quality.
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backfromthestorm said:
Hmmm...shall I... shant I...
Been sat on the checkout screen since yesterday...
My m7..there's nowt wrong with it.... But I like to have the latest HTC..decisions!
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Same as me. I had a play with one at the O2 store today. Gotta say... its the finest looking mobile phone I've ever seen. Gun metal grey is defo the best. I'm thinking of getting one from Three tomorrow on PAYG. £459!
but I have an M7 and its in perfect condition and will have Sense 6 soon making almost the same as the M8. Is it really worth spending the money???

Have a DE on order. Loved the M7. Best phone I have ever had. Can't wait for the phone to arrive.

Yes that's exactly my predicament.. £470 for.... Looks.. which you can't see when your holding it.. a depth sensor.. and that's it really... Isn't it?
And Sense 6 coming soon.. well already here really, had it on yesterday for a while, but not officially out yet.
But.. I do want one. That's a lot of nice things I could get for my motorbike though lol.

I have T-Mobile JUMP, so I'll be trading in my M7 for the M8.
As of right now, I have another $300 to go before my M7 is paid off. On ebay, a used M7 goes for around $250.. and then you minus some shipping and ebay fees.
Definitely not worth it for me to just stick with the M7.

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I have T-Mobile JUMP, so I'll be trading in my M7 for the M8.
As of right now, I have another $300 to go before my M7 is paid off. On ebay, a used M7 goes for around $250.. and then you minus some shipping and ebay fees.
Definitely not worth it for me to just stick with the M7.
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How exactly does JUMP work? I'm eligible for it now as well but obviously haven't used it before. Do you ever get to have both phones at the same time so you can transfer information, or do you literally go in the store with one phone and come out with the other?

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How exactly does JUMP work? I'm eligible for it now as well but obviously haven't used it before. Do you ever get to have both phones at the same time so you can transfer information, or do you literally go in the store with one phone and come out with the other?
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That I'm actually not sure about. I was planning to back up all my stuff to my computer myself.

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How exactly does JUMP work? I'm eligible for it now as well but obviously haven't used it before. Do you ever get to have both phones at the same time so you can transfer information, or do you literally go in the store with one phone and come out with the other?
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That I'm actually not sure about. I was planning to back up all my stuff to my computer myself.
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You have to backup everything because you will never have both phones at the same time. You literally bring the old phone to the store, they inspect it for screen and water damage, they set up the new phone for you (they'll set up your GMail and sync the two for you) and then you walk out.
And yes, as soon as T-Mobile gets it in store, I'm using my JUMP for it. There's no reason not to since if I don't like it I can just use my second JUMP credit to trade it for something else (which I will consider doing when the 805 devices roll out).

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You have to backup everything because you will never have both phones at the same time. You literally bring the old phone to the store, they inspect it for screen and water damage, they set up the new phone for you (they'll set up your GMail and sync the two for you) and then you walk out.
And yes, as soon as T-Mobile gets it in store, I'm using my JUMP for it. There's no reason not to since if I don't like it I can just use my second JUMP credit to trade it for something else (which I will consider doing when the 805 devices roll out).
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That makes sense. What if you do the process online? I'm wondering if they would send you the device then you could take your current device to the store to trade it in.

theguitarman94 said:
I upgraded from the M7, you can't go wrong either way. The M7 was the best smart phone I've ever had but I like to have the latest things so I took the plunge for the M8. The two very small gripes with my M7 were the purple tint issue and the battery life. After 8+ months of ownership I was only just getting a day on battery if that on light/moderate usage. The M8s battery life is 40% better than the M7 so that is a huge increase. The purple tint issue has also been fixed. It's not a huge upgrade and if I were tight on money I could EASILY of kept the M7 till 2015. Your choice. This might get locked as it's a phone comparison thread but hey ho.
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How is going from 2300 to just 2600 (300 increase) a 40% better?

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How is going from 2300 to just 2600 (300 increase) a 40% better?
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It's not just the mah that matters. You have the more efficient SoC, better optimizations... Stuff like that.
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Not sure if its actually 40% (could you link to source?) but I've definitely read that the M8 gets better battery life than the M7 from several reviews.

Well, i will get mine soon. Thanks to all SkyDragon user via donation! Max, butterfly, hox and m7 users.
I couldn't keep my hox, should sell it to get m7... But this time its different, i keep m7 and will get m8.
Why? Mostly for cooking reasons. All my team has m7 and today 6 of them has also m8.
The rest will jump soon too, we are like 40 hahaha.
I love design, sense 6, well.. All.
Doesn't mean m7 is old, i still very happy with it. But also want to taste new m8. Im curious about dot case and sense 6.
About battery, m7 got good battery, screen, best devs and roms. And soon m8.
Btw,i will release our first SkyDragon rom soon, if someone wants to join my team to be tester, or has code skilz or theming skilz, just pm.
Well done HTC, again best phone of the year! No doubt.
Have to state that. If i should keep my m7 only, im Happy too as we are getting Sense 6 soon, also dot cover

Literally just upgraded from the M7 two hours ago. Wow. Seriously just wow. I just tried out the camera, the effects are really cool. It is super mega smooth. The new SoC is very power efficient and fast. Definitely feels better too. Also glad to be rid of the purple camera tint.

I am giving up my Note 7 and I am considering the HTC 10.

Hello everyone it's been a while since I have posted anything on a HTC section. I am currently have the Note 7 and well I have to give it up. I was considering the S7 but there is practically zero roms for it due to the locked boot loader. I wanted to get some feedback from the community and see if your current experience and thoughts are on the 10.
I love trying out new roms, currently in love with TEKHD roms.
What do you guys like about the phone? Pros and cons. If you could go back, Would you consider the S7 despite the locked bootloader or buy a different phone?
The v20 is out but I am not digging the phone, mainly for the price point. Only reason to consider the S7 and S7 Edge is due to the free 256gb SD Card and 100 bucks in credit from samsung. Oh and lastly, I don't see a HTC 10 for tmobile, is there a reason for that?

F9zSlavik said:
Hello everyone it's been a while since I have posted anything on a HTC section. I am currently have the Note 7 and well I have to give it up. I was considering the S7 but there is practically zero roms for it due to the locked boot loader. I wanted to get some feedback from the community and see if your current experience and thoughts are on the 10.
I love trying out new roms, currently in love with TEKHD roms.
What do you guys like about the phone? Pros and cons. If you could go back, Would you consider the S7 despite the locked bootloader or buy a different phone?
The v20 is out but I am not digging the phone, mainly for the price point. Only reason to consider the S7 and S7 Edge is due to the free 256gb SD Card and 100 bucks in credit from samsung. Oh and lastly, I don't see a HTC 10 for tmobile, is there a reason for that?
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I wouldn't get the S7. I had it for 4 months and was not happy with it, even though overall it's a great phone. I would DEF get the HTC 10 over it. The camera on the S7 has slightly more detail than the 10's, but the 10's is more color accurate (as is the screen vs. S7's). The sound quality during calls was not that great on my S7 (locked from T-Mobile). I have the Sony Xperia XP right now and even w/o VoLTE (incl. HD Voice) it still sounds WAY better. The single speaker on the S7 is the worst ever too. I mean it really sux! lol The HTC 10 also has cool features like double tap to wake & sleep, smart call handling/auto answer calls (answer calls by simply picking up phone while it lays flat and lifting it to your ear; no need to swipe screen anymore), etc. The audio technology on the HTC 10 is WAY better b/c they put in more money on it and everyone thinks it sounds the best! I listen to a lot of music on premium headphones, and I know the 10 won't disappoint (I tried it out for a week). If using a digital connection to the S7 for headphone listening, because of a USB driver issue, it will make your music skip like every 3-5 min. I really DON'T miss that! lol
Also, HTC is VERY cool with ppl unlocking its bootloaders. So since you like flashing ROMs, that's another plus with getting a 10.
The HTC 10 is currently on sale 'til next Monday for $150 off. The only down side is they're out of 2 of the 4 colors (available on unlocked models only) until most likely after the sale ends. So right now there's only the black and silver ones available, but both are nice too. I had the One M8 in silver a couple years ago and it was great phone! And they've only gotten better since, though I hope the HTC 11 moves that fingerprint sensor from the front and INTEGRATES it into the side Power button the way Sony does it, and then also move that bottom facing speaker back to its rightful place at the bottom front. We'll see. Still, the 10 is great though.
The 10 didn't sell well enough for T-Mobile to keep it in stock I guess, so you can only buy it from HTC or maybe Amazon (etc) online now? I guess SOME T-Mobile stores have it in stock still, but you'd have to call and find them, and there may not be any around you that do. The good news is, HTC actually CARED enough about their customers (unlike Sony Mobile) to get the unlocked HTC 10 certified with T-Mobile for their VoLTE (which includes HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling services, so you WILL get both of those features on even the unlocked one. I say get the unlocked one b/c more color options + you'll get updates faster cuz they won't have to go through T-Mobile first to get configured before deployment.
On top of all that, you get HTC's Uh-Oh Protection plan. The first year is covered with that (for free) for broken screens or water damage, and if you DON'T use it, you get a $100 credit off the purchase of a future HTC One series phone. More details here. A sweet deal if you ask me.
Hope that helps!

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I wouldn't get the S7. I had it for 4 months and was not happy with it, even though overall it's a great phone. I would DEF get the HTC 10 over it. The camera on the S7 has slightly more detail than the 10's, but the 10's is more color accurate (as is the screen vs. S7's). The sound quality during calls was not that great on my S7 (locked from T-Mobile). I have the Sony Xperia XP right now and even w/o VoLTE (incl. HD Voice) it still sounds WAY better. The single speaker on the S7 is the worst ever too. I mean it really sux! lol The HTC 10 also has cool features like double tap to wake & sleep, smart call handling/auto answer calls (answer calls by simply picking up phone while it lays flat and lifting it to your ear; no need to swipe screen anymore), etc. The audio technology on the HTC 10 is WAY better b/c they put in more money on it and everyone thinks it sounds the best! I listen to a lot of music on premium headphones, and I know the 10 won't disappoint (I tried it out for a week). If using a digital connection to the S7 for headphone listening, because of a USB driver issue, it will make your music skip like every 3-5 min. I really DON'T miss that! lol
Also, HTC is VERY cool with ppl unlocking its bootloaders. So since you like flashing ROMs, that's another plus with getting a 10.
The HTC 10 is currently on sale 'til next Monday for $150 off. The only down side is they're out of 2 of the 4 colors (available on unlocked models only) until most likely after the sale ends. So right now there's only the black and silver ones available, but both are nice too. I had the One M8 in silver a couple years ago and it was great phone! And they've only gotten better since, though I hope the HTC 11 moves that fingerprint sensor from the front and INTEGRATES it into the side Power button the way Sony does it, and then also move that bottom facing speaker back to its rightful place at the bottom front. We'll see. Still, the 10 is great though.
The 10 didn't sell well enough for T-Mobile to keep it in stock I guess, so you can only buy it from HTC or maybe Amazon (etc) online now? I guess SOME T-Mobile stores have it in stock still, but you'd have to call and find them, and there may not be any around you that do. The good news is, HTC actually CARED enough about their customers (unlike Sony Mobile) to get the unlocked HTC 10 certified with T-Mobile for their VoLTE (which includes HD Voice) and Wi-Fi Calling services, so you WILL get both of those features on even the unlocked one. I say get the unlocked one b/c more color options + you'll get updates faster cuz they won't have to go through T-Mobile first to get configured before deployment.
On top of all that, you get HTC's Uh-Oh Protection plan. The first year is covered with that (for free) for broken screens or water damage, and if you DON'T use it, you get a $100 credit off the purchase of a future HTC One series phone. More details here. A sweet deal if you ask me.
Hope that helps!
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I called several stores and none of them have it. I know I can go directly to HTC and buy it but I can not afford to pay the full retail price. I was hoping I could finance it through tmobile. ;/ I might just have to stick with my trusty Note 5 or opt for a S7 or S7 Edge which I just found out have practically zero modding community

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I called several stores and none of them have it. I know I can go directly to HTC and buy it but I can not afford to pay the full retail price. I was hoping I could finance it through tmobile. ;/ I might just have to stick with my trusty Note 5 or opt for a S7 or S7 Edge which I just found out have practically zero modding community
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I C.
If you have Amazon Prime like I do, you could sign up for their Amazon Prime Store Card (log in to Amazon to see details). I got it sometime ago, and it lets you pay off any item at or over $149 over 6 mos interest-free, or at/over $599 12 mos interest-free. That's what I'm using now actually to pay off my Sony Xperia X Performance actually. Prices will vary here though and you HAVE to make sure not the get the int'l ones off Amazon b/c 4G LTE doesn't work on them. (Read the descriptions before buying.)
HTC.com DOES have a monthly financing option as well through PayPal. They say you get a $250 line of credit if approved, but when you go through the application process, it appears they raise it to cover the FULL price of the phone. You'll get 6 months to pay it off, interest-free. Select "PayPal Credit" in checkout to see that option on the HTC site.
Both options will require a credit check, which is not a big deal if you haven't recently applied for a credit card or credit of some kind and are in good standing. Even if you have applied once or twice recently, it should be fine. Look at the details of both and then make your decision.
P.S. See my last post again. I added some stuff like the Uh-Oh Protection part right when you replied.
Hope that helps! F Samsung! lol

F9zSlavik said:
Hello everyone it's been a while since I have posted anything on a HTC section. I am currently have the Note 7 and well I have to give it up. I was considering the S7 but there is practically zero roms for it due to the locked boot loader. I wanted to get some feedback from the community and see if your current experience and thoughts are on the 10.
I love trying out new roms, currently in love with TEKHD roms.
What do you guys like about the phone? Pros and cons. If you could go back, Would you consider the S7 despite the locked bootloader or buy a different phone?
The v20 is out but I am not digging the phone, mainly for the price point. Only reason to consider the S7 and S7 Edge is due to the free 256gb SD Card and 100 bucks in credit from samsung. Oh and lastly, I don't see a HTC 10 for tmobile, is there a reason for that?
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I switched from Note 7 to HTC 10, so far the phone is blazing fast. Haven't experienced any lag of any kind unlike Note 7. When typing on the Note 7 you experience the input lag and you have to uninstall apps in order to make the phone fast. While htc 10 you don't have to delete apps to make the phone fast it's already fast. The only thing i miss from the note is the big screen and Samsung pay. Watching videos on the 10 is good experience especially with the loud speakers. So yeah if you can find the 10 in a store I highly recommend getting it.

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I switched from Note 7 to HTC 10, so far the phone is blazing fast. Haven't experienced any lag of any kind unlike Note 7. When typing on the Note 7 you experience the input lag and you have to uninstall apps in order to make the phone fast. While htc 10 you don't have to delete apps to make the phone fast it's already fast. The only thing i miss from the note is the big screen and Samsung pay. Watching videos on the 10 is good experience especially with the loud speakers. So yeah if you can find the 10 in a store I highly recommend getting it.
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I agree with L on the lag. My S7 lagged ALL the time. Funny how a phone with 4 GBs of RAM and an 820 processor is slower to load things up than my Sony Xperia X Performance, which only has 3 GBs of RAM. And yes, all the reviews indicate that both music and call quality is crystal clear on the 10 (which was the same for the previous One series phones by HTC).
I'll admit that Samsung Pay was kinda cool to have, but I'd never stay with Samsung just for that. That's literally the ONLY thing I miss about my S7. lol
Yes check the stores but seriously consider that PayPal Credit option too via the HTC site. That's what I would do. Plus by buying it through their site you get that Uh-Oh Protection, which you WON'T get if you buy it through T-Mobile or even Amazon. And if you don't use Uh-Oh, that's $100 off your next HTC phone, saving you even more money in the future.

I don't have much to add other than I was in your shoes looking to replace my Note 7 and I'm happy I got the HTC 10.
I didn't even know what fast was until I got this phone.
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I had a tough decision between the Note 7 and the HTC 10 before I bought my device. It was before we knew they were all catching on fire, so I was seriously considering the Note 7 as well as the 10.
I pay full retail price on my devices, and money is tight so I have to be quite picky. I'm VERY happy that I chose the HTC 10 myself. The sunshine s off process is amazing, and worth every dime, you don't even have to bother with the bootloader unlock basically, if you go s-off, which I recommend in most cases of users (I have a theory for really wreckless people and s off, it's like drunk drivers, just put them in their own lane, they'll eliminate themselves)
For me, I only full with Android and run devices that I can root and flash on, it's my hobby, and kind of like my cars, I won't pay for something I can't tinker with or fix things I don't like, at least have the option.
While the HTC 10 hasn't been the largest device for custom rom quantity as far as development goes, I think the development quality is better than a lot of devices with way more roms available.
If you don't like HTC sense, and enjoy the HTC interface, I'd recommend a different device personally. You can eliminate HTC sense and run nova launcher, but the base of the rom will be HTC.
The kernels available for the device, if you enjoy flashing and tuning custom kernels, are awesome. All of the kernels I've tried from the development section ran really well, so it's not one of those cases where there's only a few options and they all suck, as some other devices have had, all of these rom and kernel developers have done outstanding.
Now for screen size, if you're buying the Note 7 for a huge screen, I would consider if it's going to be a problem that you only have a semi-huge screen. In my opinion, the screen size is perfect, I can reach everything easily and I don't have huge hands, and the fingerprint reader on the front of the HTC 10 is the ONLY fingerprint reader I've ever used consistently because it's the only one that's ever been implemented so well.

Charlies,
My "bootloader unlocking/rooting" days began & ended 2 years ago with my HTC One M8. At first I loved the extra freedom that comes with that world, but after a while I didn't like it so much b/c you have to do everything manually, so when I upgraded to the Sony Xperia Z3 later that year, that era was done with. Still, I got to upgrade my sound on my T-Mobile M8 from BoomSound to the Sprint Harman/Kardon sound using that process to obtain an H/K mod someone had extracted from the Sprint version. It def made a noticeable improvement in sound quality at the time, and I loved it! I too did the S-Off thing too (but not using Sunshine, I found another way that was free) as it was required in addition to unlocking the bootloader and rooting in order to install that mod. So I guess I was wreckless? lol
I feel like HTC is the only brand that not only lets you unlock the bootloader w/o penalty, but actually SUPPORTS the practice too.
Yes, when I had the HTC 10 that one week in June I recall the fingerprint sensor functioning very well too! I HATE phablets, so the HTC 10 is definitely what I'd go with over the Note anything. lol

F9zSlavik said:
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Unlocked version is GSM; T-Mo and AT&T are GSM. That's the version I have and I use Ting, which uses T-Mo & AT&T.
Unlocked version direct from htc, nice warranty, unlock support, most recent RUUs available for download, $150 off won me over. I like the phone so far (only had it a week).
Wife loves it. We wanted the Note 7 but we also wanted to live. The Pixel, the S7, and the V20 just aren't worth the cost to us.

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Unlocked version is GSM; T-Mo and AT&T are GSM. That's the version I have and I use Ting, which uses T-Mo & AT&T.
Unlocked version direct from htc, nice warranty, unlock support, most recent RUUs available for download, $150 off won me over. I like the phone so far (only had it a week).
Wife loves it. We wanted the Note 7 but we also wanted to live. The Pixel, the S7, and the V20 just aren't worth the cost to us.
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After that 1 year "Uh-Oh Protection" warranty ends, and you decide you want to keep it beyond the first year, you can do what I did which was get PRIVATE phone insurance for your phone. The 2 best ones are Square Trade and Worth Ave. Group. I went with Worth Ave. Group b/c I liked that they cover thefts too, though not malfunctions. Square Trade is the opposite. But if something goes wrong, just crack the screen and Worth Ave. will replace it anyway. lol And Worth is cheaper too.
Not everyone wants to get a new phone within a year of buying their last one, and not everyone wants or likes a carrier phone, so this is a great option for those people!

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After that 1 year "Uh-Oh Protection" warranty ends, and you decide you want to keep it beyond the first year, you can do what I did which was get PRIVATE phone insurance for your phone. The 2 best ones are Square Trade and Worth Ave. Group. I went with Worth Ave. Group b/c I liked that they cover thefts too, though not malfunctions. Square Trade is the opposite. But if something goes wrong, just crack the screen and Worth Ave. will replace it anyway. lol And Worth is cheaper too.
Not everyone wants to get a new phone within a year of buying their last one, and not everyone wants or likes a carrier phone, so this is a great option for those people!
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Insurance is to cover something one cannot afford to replace. If that's the case, then one shouldn't be buying phones one cannot afford!
Otherwise, my MIL-STD-810G-tested case is my "insurance".

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Insurance is to cover something one cannot afford to replace. If that's the case, then one shouldn't be buying phones one cannot afford!
Otherwise, my MIL-STD-810G-tested case is my "insurance".
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Ok. I guess people shouldn't be buying homes and cars either. lol Just because I can afford something doesn't mean I wanna pay full price to replace it.

Hey, if you decide to get the HTC 10 let me know and I'll pm you a $150 off coupon code that HTC gave me.

In regards to the OP,
If you have the cash to dish out on an unlocked HTC 10 then you will definitely not be disappointed. At this point, HTC is one of the most 'modding friendly' companies left... next to buying a Nexus of course.
But if you don't have the cash i'd recommend getting a refurbished M8. They can be had for $90-$150. My son uses my old M8 now so I keep it updated... currently have S.Team's latest rom. Only areas where my 10 outshines the M8 is the Camera, DAC, & some gaming. In terms of day-to-day performance though, they are identical

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Insurance is to cover something one cannot afford to replace. If that's the case, then one shouldn't be buying phones one cannot afford!
Otherwise, my MIL-STD-810G-tested case is my "insurance".
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Either way, insurance is only beneficial if the phone being replaced is fairly new. I've never tried any private insurance so I can't speak on that. But, you have to meet the deductible (up to $199) to get a phone replaced. You'd be better off using that $199 towards a better phone

chrisz5z said:
Either way, insurance is only beneficial if the phone being replaced is fairly new. I've never tried any private insurance so I can't speak on that. But, you have to meet the deductible (up to $199) to get a phone replaced. You'd be better off using that $199 towards a better phone
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Yes, it is only worth doing on a new device. I'll agree with you there.
$199? Maybe if you're insuring from AT&T. My insurer, Worth Ave. Group, only charges $50 for the deductible. And my phone is pretty new (purchased in mid to late June).

RockStar2005 said:
Yes, it is only worth doing on a new device. I'll agree with you there.
$199? Maybe if you're insuring from AT&T. My insurer, Worth Ave. Group, only charges $50 for the deductible. And my phone is pretty new (purchased in mid to late June).
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Yea, carriers is what I was referring to... AT&T and Verizon specifically. If it appears to be a manufacturer defect both will replace it for free even after the warranty expires. Ironically, Verizon is a little more lenient than AT&T in that aspect. I'm gonna look into Worth Ave. Group though. I skimmed through the link you gave & so far seems like decent way to go.

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[...] I too did the S-Off thing too (but not using Sunshine, I found another way that was free) as it was required in addition to unlocking the bootloader and rooting in order to install that mod. So I guess I was wreckless? lol
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Please elaborate. Sharing is caring.

chrisz5z said:
Yea, carriers is what I was referring to... AT&T and Verizon specifically. If it appears to be a manufacturer defect both will replace it for free even after the warranty expires. Ironically, Verizon is a little more lenient than AT&T in that aspect. I'm gonna look into Worth Ave. Group though. I skimmed through the link you gave & so far seems like decent way to go.
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Ok. Yeah Square Trade won't cover theft, but will cover defective phones, where Worth Ave Group is the opposite. To me, if the phone goes bad, I'll just take a hammer to the screen and be done with it, since Worth DOES cover accidental damage and/or cracked screens. lol
I think Worth offers the best bang for your buck too. Plus they have an A+ rating with the BBB. Not much more you can ask for.
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Please elaborate. Sharing is caring.
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Hey samisax,
I wish I could give you specific information, but the fact is, that was 2 years ago, and I don't remember exactly what I did or how I did it. I just know that in order to install the Harman/Kardon mod that was exclusive to the Sprint HTC One M8 "Harman/Kardon Special Edition" phones (the M8 phones had all the SAME hardware, but Sprint H/K M8s had this software no other carrier or even HTC's unlocked phones did, until this guy created a mod from that software) onto my T-Mobile One M8, I had to unlock the bootloader, root the phone, AND switch "S-On" to "S-Off". The S-Off part was I THINK the hardest? I just remember it took me a few tries and I was up 'til like 2am one night doing it, but then right there I FINALLY got it, and was able to install the mod (amongst other things, but THAT was my priority). I remember definitely noticing an improvement in the already great sound, and being quite happy with the results. And now Harman/Kardon stereo systems are being put into Mercedes Benz cars. lol
I have no interest in going through all that again though. It was a cool "adventure" for 3-4 months there, but then I got tired and what was fun at first started feeling more like work. You have to maintain everything manually when you unlock the bootloader and/or root I learned, and I stopped enjoying that after a while. Not long after.... the Sony Xperia Z3 finally came out, and so I switched to that after about 6 mos with the M8....... and that (Z3) is arguably the best phone I ever had. I had S7 (Samsung.........mehh lol), the HTC 10 for like a week, and now the Sony Xperia X Performance. But the battery life on my Z3 TRUMPS those newer phones in that arena. I think it's really cool though that HTC is so supportive of and pro-modding. They clearly care more about their customers (esp U.S. customers) than Sony Mobile does. I'm seeing that more and more. As mentioned in my one post in this thread, HTC offers the Uh-Oh Protection Plan (and pays you $100 off your next phone if you don't use it)..........they made sure to activate the fingerprint sensor in the U.S. versions of the 10................they made sure to meet T-Mobile's certification requirements for VoLTE (including HD Voice) & Wi-Fi Calling on their unlocked phones................they release their phones in a TIMELY manner in the U.S......................these are all things Sony Mobile is unwilling to do. So in 2017 I may very well switch back. We'll see.