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Desire HD battery issues??

Hi Guys,
I actually have a HD7m but my dad quite liked the 4.3 inch screen and was now asking me to buy a similar handset. We went out and he was quite impressed with the Desire HD.
But the catch, when I researched online, I found out the battery issue on practically every thread and community.
Now my problem: He is an old man and can get cranky at times. Currently owes a Nokia C6 and is pissed with the touch screen. So is it wise to buy him Desire HD even with the bad battery life?
Or worse case scenario, I swap my HD7 for his Desire HD????
Should I go for it or should can you guys suggest something else equally fluid??

It doesn't have battery issues once calibrated. I have 1-5mA battery drain on standby, that's even when running MSN and CallerID2Voice App in the background. And I can still get hours out of it when using it. Just recharge it every-night. I doubt your dad will be a smartphone addicted guy.

FirefighterDown said:
It doesn't have battery issues once calibrated. I have 1-5mA battery drain on standby, that's even when running MSN and CallerID2Voice App in the background. And I can still get hours out of it when using it. Just recharge it every-night. I doubt your dad will be a smartphone addicted guy.
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Hey,
Thanx...no he isn't a smart phone addicted guy. But the battery was so obvious an issue, I had to ask the experts here. Also, what exactly do you mean by 'calibrated'?
I mean, I have been an Android user before, but not quite sure what calibration is ?
He is a simple user with checking some mails everyday, music and some websites may be...thats about it, HTC Sense and all makes no difference to him actually...

If its battery life your after, buy a Johns Phone, you get 3 weeks between charges.
After you battery has been "run in" and calibrated you will get at least a day with light usage. Remember this is a powerful smartphone.

circleofomega said:
Hey,
Thanx...no he isn't a smart phone addicted guy. But the battery was so obvious an issue, I had to ask the experts here. Also, what exactly do you mean by 'calibrated'?
I mean, I have been an Android user before, but not quite sure what calibration is ?
He is a simple user with checking some mails everyday, music and some websites may be...thats about it, HTC Sense and all makes no difference to him actually...
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The battery calibration concerns only those who are using a custom rom. (here's a short article with app that does it for you if you're interested). I wouldn't recommend the DHD for my own father. Whatever you do to it you'll almost always have to charge it overnight, with stock rom it could be even twice a day. This isn't a problem for smartphone enthusiasts, but for oldschool people (like my father) who think phones should last a week without charging this can be quite off-putting. The DHD is also starting to get kinda old already, so you might wanna take a look at some newer phones. A good alternative could be the Desire S, as it has almost the same features with a slightly better battery.
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.

Hawks556 said:
The battery calibration concerns only those who are using a custom rom. (here's a short article with app that does it for you if you're interested). I wouldn't recommend the DHD for my own father. Whatever you do to it you'll almost always have to charge it overnight, with stock rom it could be even twice a day. This isn't a problem for smartphone enthusiasts, but for oldschool people (like my father) who think phones should last a week without charging this can be quite off-putting. The DHD is also starting to get kinda old already, so you might wanna take a look at some newer phones. A good alternative could be the Desire S, as it has almost the same features with a slightly better battery.
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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Thanx so much...that was really helpful...albeit your explanation on battery life, I just wanted to add that he was in love with the 4.3 inch screen...and only HD7 is the other device with that screen size...So I think Desire S is also a good option...let me check with him...
Again, Thanx!

depend on what you consider a good battery life, some may say getting a day is good enough, but some define good as atleast 2 days.

Hawks556 said:
And to those who can't admit that the DHD has bad battery life I just have to say that the out-of-the-box battery life could and should be a lot better. To get it lasting as it should takes a bit of effort which shouldn't be required from a normal user.
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Absolutely right. I'm tired of hearing people evangelising that the DHD's battery is fine. It patently is not. Even when you severly rein back the device's features (features which HTC flaunted to get us all hooked), one ends up with 25-30% at the day's end.... And if you have a 'heavy' day of calls/browsing etc, you'll have to top up to get through the day.
But I still regard HTC as just about the best of a bad bunch...

Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
These guides to correctly charge lithium-ion batteries are largely mumbo jumbo (charge to 100%, turn off, charge again for 250,000 hours, turn on, drain battery, rinse & repeat). Just charge it overnight, when your asleep.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.

andyharney said:
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
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I'm not sure anybody on this forum expects days of use between charges - we're not daft. What I expect is to not have power-saving mode kick in by late afternoon when I'm nowhere near a charger, and I've not used the thing particularly heavily.
It's not right to conclude that others didn't read up on the battery before purchasing. You have no basis for drawing such conclusions.
HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job. Based on the fact that I'd had pretty good experiences with my previous HTCs, I saw no reason to doubt this.
In any case, just because you don't mind charging your phone part-way through a day, doesn't mean that everybody else should be happy with that.

I don't Say ! ^^

baste07 said:
depend on what you consider a good battery life, some may say getting a day is good enough, but some define good as atleast 2 days.
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That's why I said that there are "oldschool people" (like my father) who think the battery should last a week. I don't mind charging the phone every night, but there are people who can't cope with such a "short" battery life. That's why the battery life of the DHD should be taken under consideration when buying a new phone.
andyharney said:
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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I didn't mean that the battery was bad quality or anything, just that it is a bit too small for such a powerful phone. And yes I was aware of the battery capacity and I don't mind, but again there are people that require more from their phones.
And the instructions to close connections when you're not using them and turning down the screen brightness etc. are plain stupid. I bought a smartphone so that I can get my email whenever and wherever and to enjoy the big screen and not so that I can receive emails only when I choose to and so that I have to squint to see something from the screen when the brightness is set to the lowest. This is just a couple of the features I need ofcourse, but for me it's important to always receive emails instantly and not only when I can afford to spend some battery on internet connection.
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life, but that shouldn't be necessary to do and it's quite a lot to ask just so you can have a decent battery life. That's why I was talking about out-of-the-box battery life.

Hawks556 said:
That's why I said that there are "oldschool people" (like my father) who think the battery should last a week. I don't mind charging the phone every night, but there are people who can't cope with such a "short" battery life. That's why the battery life of the DHD should be taken under consideration when buying a new phone.
I didn't mean that the battery was bad quality or anything, just that it is a bit too small for such a powerful phone. And yes I was aware of the battery capacity and I don't mind, but again there are people that require more from their phones.
And the instructions to close connections when you're not using them and turning down the screen brightness etc. are plain stupid. I bought a smartphone so that I can get my email whenever and wherever and to enjoy the big screen and not so that I can receive emails only when I choose to and so that I have to squint to see something from the screen when the brightness is set to the lowest. This is just a couple of the features I need ofcourse, but for me it's important to always receive emails instantly and not only when I can afford to spend some battery on internet connection.
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life, but that shouldn't be necessary to do and it's quite a lot to ask just so you can have a decent battery life. That's why I was talking about out-of-the-box battery life.
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If you want to receive emails and text, I find that GSM is fine for that. If you want to go internet browsing, just switch on to 3G.
Smartphones these days have basically a different definition of battery life to the old nokia symbian and similar phones of old. Those could go up to a week. Smartphones on the other hand are considered awesome if they can last 3.
I do have to say ultimately I think HTC sold the battery life a bit short on the DHD. 1230mah I think is really just making way for all the other top-of-the-line features that it had when it came out.
HTC have released a great number of variants of this phone now, all with better iterations of design and also with bigger batteries because of this.
1400-1500mah (or even above) I think is really what you need with a 4.3" display phone. 1230 would be far more acceptable for a <4" display. Although it can be made quite livable for a day or two with an excellent custom rom, I don't really think it's enough for a basic consumer using the standard rom. That and the speaker/audio out are the two biggest pitfalls of the DHD imo.
Sensation is now HTC's newest 4.3" phone which has a good 1500mah battery. I hope Sense 3.0 doesn't wear it down too fast!
Ultimate thoughts: Although it's a great phone, I think it's a power user's phone more than anything. You will definitely only get the best out of it by customising to it's best potential, which is also when you get acceptable battery life. If you don't, it really does seem a waste.

Hawks556 said:
When I was still running stock rom I could barely get through a day at work (8 hours). I had mobile network on the whole time and the screen brightness set at about 50% (which I think should be used at 100% all the time to really enjoy the screen) I talked for about half an hour during the days, sent 10 texts and listened to music/played/surfed on the internet for about 3 hours in all. When I got home I had to charge it. This ofcourse is everything one could need, but there are smartphones with better battery life.
Now of ofcourse when I have a custom rom that's tweaked and everything there's no problem with battery life
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I had the same sort of expectancy out of the battery using it moderately during a day at work out of the box. However with custom ROM installed I have found the battery to last easily the whole day with the same usage and probably have approx 40 - 50% left after 15hrs on battery.
just my 2c

andyharney said:
Ok, sorry to hijack this thread a little.
The battery is fine, there are no issues with the battery. Your problem with the battery is that its small. Before you bought the phone did you not look into the battery capacity? I did, I knew it was smaller than the Desire's battery. Out-of-the-box it will act like any other lithium-ion battery that is just out-of-the-box. That "bit of effort" , what, plugging in your charger when it requires a charge.
These guides to correctly charge lithium-ion batteries are largely mumbo jumbo (charge to 100%, turn off, charge again for 250,000 hours, turn on, drain battery, rinse & repeat). Just charge it overnight, when your asleep.
Any smartphone with comparable usage will last around the same time and require a daily charge. If you want a phone that will last days between charges, don't buy a smartphone.
If you turn off all the bells & whistles, use 2G only and use it only for calls & sms', just like a regular phone. It will last days between charges.
If you want a powerful smartphone with a large screen, and lots of features, your battery is going to pay for it.
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I am extremely sorry but I disagree with u completely. You are talking as if you buy an expensive car but dont drive it too much as it eats a lot of fuel. If you want to just drive around, why dont you just get yourself a mopet. The point is, i have bought an expensive car TO DRIVE it around. If I buy a smartphone and not use its SMART features, why am I buying it for??? If I practically shut all the reasons why I bought this phone, WHY the hell am I buying it??
There is an old saying that comes to mind that it takes guts to stay in the minority. If the battery is flawed, ACCEPT it.
Anyways, I have got my answer. Thanx for your reply nonetheless.

As everyone says depends on usage.
For one thing i went from 80mA down to 8mA just by updating the radio which came stock.
Now with a different rom and kernel I get -1mA on standby, juicedefender is also a nice app. The battery life depends on your setup though, I easily get 2 days of moderate use/music/games/calls etc.

jpinky said:
As everyone says depends on usage.
For one thing i went from 80mA down to 8mA just by updating the radio which came stock.
Now with a different rom and kernel I get -1mA on standby, juicedefender is also a nice app. The battery life depends on your setup though, I easily get 2 days of moderate use/music/games/calls etc.
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Hey thanx man...But was just wondering, with very moderate usage, will it still be over in no time?
Also, the other thing worrying me is the memory card issue...I cant afford to lose one card after another once I buy an expensive phone, u know what I mean...

The battery life is acceptable with moderate use on stock rom, if you're a power user you will have to stay close to a charger
There's no memory card issue from the DHD's part, it's just the crappy "freebie" sdcard (samsung?) which comes with the phone that stops working. The people who are complaining that the DHD breaks sdcards are those who buy cheap, bad quality sdcards or get a warranty replacement for the original one, which will be just as bad. The solution to this is to buy a better quality microsd card (costs about 15€) if the original stops working. Mine's still working great though.

Hawks556 said:
The battery life is acceptable with moderate use on stock rom, if you're a power user you will have to stay close to a charger
There's no memory card issue from the DHD's part, it's just the crappy "freebie" sdcard (samsung?) which comes with the phone that stops working. The people who are complaining that the DHD breaks sdcards are those who buy cheap, bad quality sdcards or get a warranty replacement for the original one, which will be just as bad. The solution to this is to buy a better quality microsd card (costs about 15€) if the original stops working. Mine's still working great though.
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After receiving a replacement 'new' phone, and having problems with my SD Card from the very second it switched on, I complained to HTC about the issue and the man on the end of the phone admitted around 500,000 phones that had been dispatched has been shipped with KNOWN issues & SD Card incapabilities. If you went out today and bought a brand spanking new card, in theory the phone WOULD NOT and the SD Card WOULD NOT fail.

mjt said:
I'm not sure anybody on this forum expects days of use between charges - we're not daft. What I expect is to not have power-saving mode kick in by late afternoon when I'm nowhere near a charger, and I've not used the thing particularly heavily.
It's not right to conclude that others didn't read up on the battery before purchasing. You have no basis for drawing such conclusions.
HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job. Based on the fact that I'd had pretty good experiences with my previous HTCs, I saw no reason to doubt this.
In any case, just because you don't mind charging your phone part-way through a day, doesn't mean that everybody else should be happy with that.
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I don't mean to hijack you here mate, but you assume/claim that:
'HTC marketed the DHD on the basis that it's architecture was such that it didn't need a higher-capacity battery to do its job.'
Well I take it that you assume this on the basis that Leprechauns are real and are roaming New York city as we speak? If HTC were doing any market research at all, they would realize that even devices with smaller screens have a bigger battery than the one they have put into the DhD, including the Desire Z & Desire's batteries?
I remember when I was looking at reviews for the original Desire, as I fancied one, the main complaints were the battery life, and the fact people only got a day's charge on it. So I thought fair do's, big screen, big price to pay? If HTC had done any research, they would have realized that people wanted better battery life, a better quality screen, better sound quality?
You want to know what the real reason is behind HTC putting a small battery inside the Device? Well it's the fact that the entire thing was rushed, and I mean rushed? There's evidence of this in the build quality, the software, the placing of different things within the phone and also the bad batch issues HTC experienced.
The HD was leaked in September/October, it was released by November, this is not normal for any device that becomes 'leaked'. HTC used a bad screen, imported most of the software from the original Desire, obviously making edits to make it Sense 2.0, but you can clearly see they didn't change everything? If you set the Android Pattern Lock Screen, you can see that it doesn't fill the whole screen, the IME is the standard HTC one with some arrows slapped in at the bottom? They didn't even change the size of the keyboard?, this is more evident if you use the IME in landscape mode, its hard.
What sort of company places an Antenna in the Battery Cover? It's true, remove your Battery Cover and you'll loose all signal? Pretty risky move for HTC, seeing as the Battery Cover is VERY easy to 'accidently' break, and frankly your screwed then right? It's like they designed the phone, forgot the Antenna, then quickly though 'Where the f*** is this going?' and decided to place it there? In my opinion, and a few others, they did this with the battery, they made the device too thin, and in reality they just couldn't fit everything in. The Desire S which is slightly thicker, packs a brilliant battery. Problem solved.
The build quality of the phone, is not one of a £500 price tag. Some parts of the phone squeak whereas others just do not feel adequate to the pricing of the device. There again we live in a world where no matter how much you pay, something always seems to be wrong.
Sorry if I have offended any HTC lovers, all attacks on my and opinions against me are welcome, don't get me wrong, I love my phone and I can cope with charging the battery every night. Chao.

3 days with gn so far

And I absolutely love it. Browser is smooth as silk. YouTube and Gmail app are so slick. Loving new ui and I'm still getting used to getting efficient with navigation.
Also loving Verizon coming from tmo. Microsoft employee discount was pretty sick too. 22% off, no activation fee, $20 unlimited data and free case/screen/car charger.
Only gripe is battery but its understandable with this huge screen and heavy lte streaming.
Previous phones were g1 g2 n1 ns vibrant iPhone 3gs/3g bb9700
If u are on the fence and an android/nexus fan you wont be disappointed!
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I agree. I had mine for few days now and I am impressed - it is far better than I expected it to be. Although I am very jealous of your $20 deal - I am having to pay £34 here in UK :-(

I'm on day number two; I'd been using ICS for a few weeks thanks to the NS4G developer community but it is by far a superior experience on this phone. I was concerned about the big size initially because I've tended prefer smaller-screen phones, however the look and feel of this phone is superior to any other phone that I've used.
I can't comment on battery life yet because I've had it for less than 24 hours, but I tend to find that a week or two of charge/discharge cycles is required before you really know how your phone will perform. Also, OS updates will fix some of the problems some people have reported having.
Most importantly for me, though, is that we have the flagship Android phone. It may not be the most decked-out phone hardware-wise, but when it comes to updates and support we're the cream of the crop, and that makes a douchebag like me feel warm and cozy inside.
EDIT: I am new to Verizon so I obviously am not eligible for unlimited data, but $50 a month for 10GB isn't too shabby. There's no way that I will hit 10GB (though I will probably come close some months!), but it's nice to know I am not going to be stressing checking my data usage after coming from Sprint and true unlimited service.

Ditto. Came from iPhone 4S and this phone is just amazing. I have the $20 unlimited data grandfathered thank god!
The build quality is actually very nice. Its all one piece with the battery cover being the only other extra piece. Plastic is more durable over time than aluminum and glass.
Can't wait for 4.0.3 to come. Vest part is we are getting it first! YAY!
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I'm on Day 4... For me, once I was able to flash the update that adds the hidden menu buttons, I was set (too many apps I have didn't trigger the menu buttons). I love the ICS versions of the apps (especially GMail and the Exchange Email).
Since I'm in a 3G area only (and only infrequently travel to 4G markets maybe once a week), take these results with a grain of salt:
(Proviso - Since I'm in a 3G area that isn't likely to get 4G for a year or so, I set the phone to 3G only so it doesn't keep trying to find a 4G signal.. This may be why I'm having the battery life that I am having)
1st day - continuous email/gmail push and tons of GTalk messages and a lot of "screen on" time - I got about 14~15 hours of battery life.
2nd day - about the same, but with less "screen on" time - easily a day with some room to spare. I only made three phone calls about 10 minutes each, but had over 150 emails spread throughout the day with about 30 texts.
3rd day - Saturday. I unplugged it from the charge at 8 AM and it is still unplugged as of now (Sunday ~ 10AM) and I have more than half the charge.
Signal strength in my house is 1 bar. This is the same as it has been for any other verizon phone (Razr sometimes went to two bar, but it fluctuated back and forth to 1 bar). Phone calls are clear and not garbled by low signal strength.

jeffreycentex said:
I'm on Day 4... For me, once I was able to flash the update that adds the hidden menu buttons, I was set (too many apps I have didn't trigger the menu buttons). I love the ICS versions of the apps (especially GMail and the Exchange Email).
Since I'm in a 3G area only (and only infrequently travel to 4G markets maybe once a week), take these results with a grain of salt:
(Proviso - Since I'm in a 3G area that isn't likely to get 4G for a year or so, I set the phone to 3G only so it doesn't keep trying to find a 4G signal.. This may be why I'm having the battery life that I am having)
1st day - continuous email/gmail push and tons of GTalk messages and a lot of "screen on" time - I got about 14~15 hours of battery life.
2nd day - about the same, but with less "screen on" time - easily a day with some room to spare. I only made three phone calls about 10 minutes each, but had over 150 emails spread throughout the day with about 30 texts.
3rd day - Saturday. I unplugged it from the charge at 8 AM and it is still unplugged as of now (Sunday ~ 10AM) and I have more than half the charge.
Signal strength in my house is 1 bar. This is the same as it has been for any other verizon phone (Razr sometimes went to two bar, but it fluctuated back and forth to 1 bar). Phone calls are clear and not garbled by low signal strength.
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Hey brother; I live in Floresville but work in San Antonio. LTE in the city is good, but I get nothing where I live in the midst of all the oak. Verizon is sending a team here to check my signal strength and I was told that they would likely send me a comped network extender when they see how bad it is in a supposedly strong 3G area.

Normally I wait a week also to decide on battery life, but VZW is offering 50% off their batteries for LTE devices. So you can get the extended for $25.00... I got it, figured either way, now I have an extra.

I got the extended battery as well, won't be here til Monday though. Whatever I did fixed my battery life and I was able to only drain 8-9% over the 7 hours I slept last night. This battery issue will be fixed, it's just a matter of time. It's not the phone being LTE and dual core. It's purely software.

Things I like:
- Speed/fluidity: coming from an OG Droid this is crazy how fast it is. I'd briefly used a Sprint GSII earlier in the year and this is even smoother than that in places. The browser in particular blows me away, it's better than Safari on the iPhone I think.
- Screen: Love it at higher brightness settings.
- Weight: A ton lighter and easier to hold than the OG was.
- ICS: This is going to be really slick once most apps get updated to fully support the UI changes, hardware acceleration etc. Did you guys notice stuff like the changed voice in Google Maps Navigation? It's much less grating now.
Things I don't like:
- Battery life: This is obviously the big one and honestly might be what causes me to return the phone if it's not substantially improved via software/firmware before the return period is up. I blew through both batteries I have yesterday in a period of about 6 1/2 hours. I routinely got a full day out of one on the OG and other phones friends have don't seem anywhere near this bad. I have LTE off and screen brightness down low too. I really hope this is just the OS issues with keep awake etc, but I dunno...
- Camera: It really is nowhere near as good as the ones on the other current phones. Really wish they'd used the sensor from the GSII.
- Signal strength: Definitely am seeing lower signal with this vs the OG, especially indoors at stores and whatnot.
- Screen at low brightness: Count me as one of the people who didn't realize AMOLED had the sheet of linen type look at low brightness. I can live with it but I do hope they get the battery situation under control so I can run it higher than minimum.
- Getting used to onscreen keyboard: Didn't realize how much I used the OG's hardware one until now...
- App incompatibilities: I know this is temporary, but there are several apps I use that are FCing left and right with ICS, especially if I have force GPU acceleration on.

dspcap said:
Normally I wait a week also to decide on battery life, but VZW is offering 50% off their batteries for LTE devices. So you can get the extended for $25.00... I got it, figured either way, now I have an extra.
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I did the exact same thing; even though I have faith that with LTE turned off and screen brightness turned down that this battery will be more than sufficient after a couple of charges, for $25 it seemed stupid not to buy the extended battery now just in case.
I really don't want to change the aesthetics of the phone with a thicker battery, of course, but it was a "what the hell" moment.

I have the extended batt and I feel like it drains a bit quicker than the normal one. I switched back to the normal one and the phone feels great. I will have to report back with battery tests. I had the extended one in there from day one, yesterday around 1300 I put the original batt in and it had about 68% charge. With med usage I was able to make it 23hrs. I woke up and it still had 13% battery left. I came from the bionic and what I notice is that I'm able to get decent if not better battery life with the stock battery over the extended batt. I will report back in a few days.... Love the phone though.

Went to a buddy's Christmas party and I had iPhone users scrambling trying to find that face effect camera app . To funny my phone counted for hours of drunk fun. F***king luv this phone I'm on day three!!!!
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MaxCarnage said:
I did the exact same thing; even though I have faith that with LTE turned off and screen brightness turned down that this battery will be more than sufficient after a couple of charges, for $25 it seemed stupid not to buy the extended battery now just in case.
I really don't want to change the aesthetics of the phone with a thicker battery, of course, but it was a "what the hell" moment.
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I thought the same thing about "aesthetics" but after looking at the pictures and videos of the extended battery it looks as if the chin on the rear bottom becomes smooth. No more chin just straight. Which is fine by me!
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I've had it for a few days myself, and find that I'm liking it better than my iphone 3gs. It's rather a relief not being locked into the "walled garden" anymore.
Once thing I noticed was the lack of latency. The 3gs loaded pages fast, but only after a moderate delay. The GN provides an almost instance response.
Anyway. I'm in Canada. No $20 unlimited for me. We get totally screwed here when it comes to cellular stuff, given our little monopoly triad scandal that's in play. I get to pay $70 for a plan that only includes 1GB (and the contract requires us to be happy about it too)
Oh well.

if you are with virgin or bell ask to speak to retention department and request for the 6 gigs for 30 dollars.
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eakrish said:
I have the extended batt and I feel like it drains a bit quicker than the normal one. I switched back to the normal one and the phone feels great. I will have to report back with battery tests. I had the extended one in there from day one, yesterday around 1300 I put the original batt in and it had about 68% charge. With med usage I was able to make it 23hrs. I woke up and it still had 13% battery left. I came from the bionic and what I notice is that I'm able to get decent if not better battery life with the stock battery over the extended batt. I will report back in a few days.... Love the phone though.
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Remember that you need to go through a couple charge cycles with a new battery to get optimal results.

southeastbeast said:
And I absolutely love it. Browser is smooth as silk. YouTube and Gmail app are so slick. Loving new ui and I'm still getting used to getting efficient with navigation.
Also loving Verizon coming from tmo. Microsoft employee discount was pretty sick too. 22% off, no activation fee, $20 unlimited data and free case/screen/car charger.
Only gripe is battery but its understandable with this huge screen and heavy lte streaming.
Previous phones were g1 g2 n1 ns vibrant iPhone 3gs/3g bb9700
If u are on the fence and an android/nexus fan you wont be disappointed!
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How did you get unlimited data for $20, and they threw in free accessories? DId you ask for the accessories or did they just throw them in for you? Shoot im a new verizon customer and i didn't get a great deal like that.

Rnd0209 said:
I thought the same thing about "aesthetics" but after looking at the pictures and videos of the extended battery it looks as if the chin on the rear bottom becomes smooth. No more chin just straight. Which is fine by me!
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If this is true then I can't wait!!

One X still a good phone?

Alright the thread title already says everything.
Is the HTC One X still a good and reliable phone in day to day usage?
Is the Tegra powerfull enough to play current games and get through all daily stuff without problems in form of delays or lags?
Also regarding stock ROMs like CyanogenMod or Paranoid Android, as I'm planning (if I buy that phone) to flash one of these, do they run smooth?
I plan buying the One X because I hate the button layouts of current phones and would be happy to get some opinions.
Thanks in advance!
(If this belongs on the Q&A Thread please move it...)

Everything you said...yes. great phone. I sold my HTC one to come Bk to the x as it just doesn't compare camera etc
All games run sweet
Paranoid etc all smooth..you'll lose camera quality but it still works though
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Nope, not a good phone......it's a friggin' AWESOME phone :laugh::laugh:
Matt

I love the One X, I don't feel any need of buying a new phone this year, it's a reliable phone. I use Sentinel Rom which is an AOSP rom like the ones you mention, I don't like Sense so this has been my daily driver for months, and everything works great, the phone is fast, games run as smoothly as you want them to and so on. My only concerns are the battery and the camera which are.. well, terrible. If you're not in absolute perfect conditions the pictures will be awful, don't even try low light photography, it'll be hurtful, even the flash is useless, you can't get a good photo (it's worth noticing that the results aren't the same with the stock sense camera); and the battery barely lasts a day (by day I mean the moment when you wake up until the moment you go to bed, not 24 hours, 12 hours tops). If you can live with that I strongly advise you to buy this phone. Even more due to his price range which is very mid range and you get a very high end feel phone. The build quality and the screen are outstanding, I'd say that's what it has over his greatest competitor which is the S3. Hope I helped

Yes. And One X>S3.

_RiVeRsIDe_ said:
Yes. And One X>S3.
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I'm aware of that fact!
What about that Wifi issue? Do many devices have that issue or is it only the minority?

Datzi said:
I'm aware of that fact!
What about that Wifi issue? Do many devices have that issue or is it only the minority?
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I owned 2 htc one x, no issues on both.

Datzi said:
I'm aware of that fact!
What about that Wifi issue? Do many devices have that issue or is it only the minority?
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Quite a lot of One X's have that issue, especially if they've upgraded officially to the 3.18 base
If I were you its a no brainer, get the S3 or even better, the Nexus 4
But the S3 has:
Better camera, better audio, smoother gaming performance, micro sd and better development community
The One X has terrible battery, terrible performance in high end games, I mean some games that are supposed to be optimised (thd) lag on this phone (shadowgun for example) and the hyped features like beats audio turned out to be ruined by the HOX's crappy DAC and the so called super 'Tegra 3' turned out be nothing but a heat creating battery sucker
The only things I prefer of the One X is the build quality and excellent screen but tbh that's not really enough to make this phone 'better' than the S3
I'm not hating on the One X, it's probably the phone that I've kept the longest since I've bought it but tbh, it was a disappointment
Feel free to disagree
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Datzi said:
I'm aware of that fact!
What about that Wifi issue? Do many devices have that issue or is it only the minority?
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I also owned 2 One X's and neither of them had Wi-Fi issues. The first one had a gap in between the screen and the body of the phone, it came like that out of the box it made a crack noise every time I touched the display, would like to know what happened with that phone :silly:
One thing I read here that is 100% true is that for the same price you can buy the Nexus 4 which is better in every way, it's something you should consider

Headless_monkeyhunta96 said:
Quite a lot of One X's have that issue, especially if they've upgraded officially to the 3.18 base
If I were you its a no brainer, get the S3 or even better, the Nexus 4
But the S3 has:
Better camera, better audio, smoother gaming performance, micro sd and better development community
The One X has terrible battery, terrible performance in high end games, I mean some games that are supposed to be optimised (thd) lag on this phone (shadowgun for example) and the hyped features like beats audio turned out to be ruined by the HOX's crappy DAC and the so called super 'Tegra 3' turned out be nothing but a heat creating battery sucker
The only things I prefer of the One X is the build quality and excellent screen but tbh that's not really enough to make this phone 'better' than the S3
I'm not hating on the One X, it's probably the phone that I've kept the longest since I've bought it but tbh, it was a disappointment
Feel free to disagree
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lol what are you saying? s3 has compared to one x bad camera and battery in s3 just holds not more then half an hour more then in one x ....gaming...i really don't have problems with gaming now...even with un-optimized games... the one x is way better then s3...but ok you own the s3 so you will say another thing...i already made MANY tests with both...the one x was always better only in speaker volume and battery it was not that good as s3 but ok it's enough...

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lol what are you saying? s3 has compared to one x bad camera and battery in s3 just holds not more then half an hour more then in one x ....gaming...i really don't have problems with gaming now...even with un-optimized games... the one x is way better then s3...but ok you own the s3 so you will say another thing...i already made MANY tests with both...the one x was always better only in speaker volume and battery it was not that good as s3 but ok it's enough...
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Nah lol I don't have S3 (S4), so I should actually be supporting HOX
But seriously battery is way better on the S3, I borrowed my friends one for 2 weeks to see what it was like and on a bloated stock rom with at least 2 hours of gaming, I easily reached 5 and a half hours of screen on time
And come on, everyone knows the HOX flopped when it came to gaming, I mean try and play any gameloft game and it'll lag really badly (Batman, Nova 3, Wild Blood). Real racing 3 on high graphics lags and so does shadowgun. Seriously go download Iron man and tell me it's smooth. Even with Trip's kernel, it was unplayable for me and within ten minutes, CPU hit 75°C
With custom kernels it's fixed a bit but the heat produced is just ridiculous. And the camera of the S3 may not have some of the fancy features of the One X but the quality is quite a bit better
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It is still a great phone... Now that the price had dropped it's a very sweet deal... Any day better than s3....
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There's a basic flaw in all battery comparison posts on this thread. It's only obvious that S3 will have battery life than the HOX simply because the S3 has a large battery capacity - nearly 28% more. Hence, if all else constant, compared to the HOX the S3 should last at least 28% longer assuming both the phones are used in exactly the same way.
It's only fair on HOX to compared to another phone with a similar battery capacity, IMO

The HoX is still an amazingly good phone, no doubt about it.
My other half got a Sony Xperia Z a couple of months ago and there are some obvious hints that Sony's flagship has got some more grunt and has unbelievably good battery life, but the camera and screen are noticeably inferior when compared to the HoX.
I'll be sad when the day comes that I 'upgrade' from my HoX.
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Bought a HTC One a month ago just to give it a try. Great phone, faster than One X, better battery, better sound. For the first couple of weeks, One X sat silently on my desk.
But then, the novelty of One started wearing out and I wanted to sell it before it devalued to much. I've returned to my One X a week ago and I remembered why I love it. It has a GREAT screen, it's light, has a greet feel, it's still damn fast. No need really to upgrade until next year.
@OP: if you can get one for a good price, don't hesitate. Just don't unlock the bootloader (4.2.2 is coming soon) until you test for a while the wi-fi issue that plagues most of the units.

HTC One X is awesome

This phone was a f*ng disappointment of 2012 for me since day one.
You can't have proper live wallpapers (or custom scrollable wallpapers) because some f**head engineer in HTC messed their HTC Sense too much and it consumes way too much RAM.
Battery life just sucks. At first we even had battery drainers inside the operating system (at least THOSE got fixed), the only way I overcome this is by installing HTC One X+ battery.
Look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189653
After a year of use (primarily putting the phone inside front jeans pocket) that f*ng unibody case gets weary and affects how your digitizer is working. I am lucky that I switched from jeans to a suit and I manager to find a way to prevent unibody flexing (I put the phone in the inside pocket of my jacket now).
Update (JB 4.1) promised to roll out in October makes it out only in December.
Every guy in RL that I met with this phone was also very unhappy. Curious that people at this forum are not like that - but after all, only a small percentage of users use this forum. Plus I really think that people unhappy with this phone very rarely enter the forum (like me).
All in all, if you have to buy a 2012 phone, go with Nexus 4. Better in every detail (except slight disadvantages with the screen maybe).

I was one x user for last one year, at least four of my friends bought one x after seeing mine. With all the hype about HTC one I decided to give it a try, amazing boom sound, full hd screen.
Sold my one x in the process. 1 week and I was missing my one x. Sold HTC one and bought another one x and gonna keep this till it stops working. Fantastic device, excellent build quality, looks good naked.
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Headless_monkeyhunta96 said:
Nah lol I don't have S3 (S4), so I should actually be supporting HOX
But seriously battery is way better on the S3, I borrowed my friends one for 2 weeks to see what it was like and on a bloated stock rom with at least 2 hours of gaming, I easily reached 5 and a half hours of screen on time
And come on, everyone knows the HOX flopped when it came to gaming, I mean try and play any gameloft game and it'll lag really badly (Batman, Nova 3, Wild Blood). Real racing 3 on high graphics lags and so does shadowgun. Seriously go download Iron man and tell me it's smooth. Even with Trip's kernel, it was unplayable for me and within ten minutes, CPU hit 75°C
With custom kernels it's fixed a bit but the heat produced is just ridiculous. And the camera of the S3 may not have some of the fancy features of the One X but the quality is quite a bit better
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RR3 does NOT lag at all, nor does Shadowgun, not even in the slightest. But since Gameloft games are s**t I couldn't give a monkeys. NO game I play on the HOX ever lags. ATM I am enjoying Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, full 3D space combat sim, and it's utterly flawless.
The HOX, even after over a year, continues to impress...and I do NOT have one of the exceedingly rare variant 3's or anything like that. I have the worst of the bunch variant 0 (though I think I am lucky in my particular chip just being binned like that). And my battery is the original.
ONE thing I agree on is that it DOES get hot, but that's more a product of manufacturing process. It's manufactured on TSMC's 40nm high-speed process (the companion core being on the low-power process). This means that at full-tilt it has quite a high leakage (heat and power use) but that clock for clock it's switching speed is far superior than, for example, the S3 which uses a FAR cooler-running 32nm LP process.
Tegra 3 was designed to be performance over power. HTC realised their mistake in pairing it with such a poor battery in the HOX, hence the HOX+.
I am NOT going to say the HOX is without flaw, far from it...but it is an incredibly powerful phone with a quality build and a simply SUPERB screen that continues to hold it's own in every application even after an eternity has passed (and over a year in the smatphone market IS an eternity).
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This phone was a f*ng disappointment of 2012 for me since day one.
You can't have proper live wallpapers (or custom scrollable wallpapers) because some f**head engineer in HTC messed their HTC Sense too much and it consumes way too much RAM.
Battery life just sucks. At first we even had battery drainers inside the operating system (at least THOSE got fixed), the only way I overcome this is by installing HTC One X+ battery.
Look at this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2189653
After a year of use (primarily putting the phone inside front jeans pocket) that f*ng unibody case gets weary and affects how your digitizer is working. I am lucky that I switched from jeans to a suit and I manager to find a way to prevent unibody flexing (I put the phone in the inside pocket of my jacket now).
Update (JB 4.1) promised to roll out in October makes it out only in December.
Every guy in RL that I met with this phone was also very unhappy. Curious that people at this forum are not like that - but after all, only a small percentage of users use this forum. Plus I really think that people unhappy with this phone very rarely enter the forum (like me).
All in all, if you have to buy a 2012 phone, go with Nexus 4. Better in every detail (except slight disadvantages with the screen maybe).
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I've run every live wallpaper i've liked the look of without one single problem, even on Sense. I just tend to not like live wallpapers but they run just fine so I have no idea what you're on about there.
Battery life under use does NOT suck...the original battery capacity sucks...and I will admit that was one of HTC's few design choices on this device that really did blow. The battery is too small, but Tegra makes excellent use of it considering it's power requirements, and IDLE battery consumption is EXCELLENT. That's what NVIDIA aimed for, and HIT in my mind, maximum performance during user interaction but minimal power draw in idle to compensate.
After over a year of use the bodywork on my uncased (in all that time) and jeans pocketed HOX has NOT fatigued and the screen is in perfect condition.
Finally I would say that the people you are likely to meet on this forum are those people who utilise their phone to it's fullest possible potential. I am not talking about custom ROM's and kernels, I am talking about just USING the device to the maximum. Ordinary Joe and Jane Public tend not to do this and find many things to b*tch and moan about, in MY opinion..which I think is just as valid as your assessment.

Tigerlight said:
RR3 does NOT lag at all, nor does Shadowgun, not even in the slightest. But since Gameloft games are s**t I couldn't give a monkeys. NO game I play on the HOX ever lags. ATM I am enjoying Galaxy on Fire 2 HD, full 3D space combat sim, and it's utterly flawless.
The HOX, even after over a year, continues to impress...and I do NOT have one of the exceedingly rare variant 3's or anything like that. I have the worst of the bunch variant 0 (though I think I am lucky in my particular chip just being binned like that). And my battery is the original.
ONE thing I agree on is that it DOES get hot, but that's more a product of manufacturing process. It's manufactured on TSMC's 40nm high-speed process (the companion core being on the low-power process). This means that at full-tilt it has quite a high leakage (heat and power use) but that clock for clock it's switching speed is far superior than, for example, the S3 which uses a FAR cooler-running 32nm LP process.
Tegra 3 was designed to be performance over power. HTC realised their mistake in pairing it with such a poor battery in the HOX, hence the HOX+.
I am NOT going to say the HOX is without flaw, far from it...but it is an incredibly powerful phone with a quality build and a simply SUPERB screen that continues to hold it's own in every application even after an eternity has passed (and over a year in the smatphone market IS an eternity).
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RR3 doesn't lag on stock low graphics setting but as soon as you set it at high where it isn't an eyesore, the fps is bearable but is only about 25fps dropping to about 16 in heavy scenarios.
And sorry mate but your simply wrong, even hamdir stated that shadowgun lags and was complaining about how an 'optimised' game doesn't even run well on the HOX. It's not like it runs constantly at low fps but on too many an occasion it drops way below playable for a few seconds during gameplay
And Gameloft may have some terrible customer service and support but they have produced some really good games which I can't enjoy on the One X - Nova 3, Dark Knight and Wild Blood to name a few
And your telling me no absolutely no game lags? That's a bit of a joke considering it's well known how Nvidia put a sh*tty GPU alongside the excellent Tegra 3 processor otherwise. Go and play NFS Most Wanted, GTA Vice City, Dungeon Hunter, Dead on Arrival 2, RR3 on HIGH graphics, etc, etc. and then come back and talk
Man I'm not just hating on the One X for no reason, but sometimes you just have to face facts, the One X disappointed in many areas.
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S6 to G4?!

Hi,
I currently have an S6 and I really want to switch over to the G4 but I see a bunch of negative issues regarding the G4. has anyone switched from the S6 and would it be worth it for me to trade over? any input would be greatly appreciated thank you.
Anyone extremely happy with their G4?

I just switched from the S6 to the G4, but I have used the G4 for less than 24 hours so I can't give an full opinion yet but I wanted the bigger screen so that is the main reason I made the switch. I will give my pro and cons later as I find things i like or don't like about the G4 I'm comparison to the S6.
Of you want root then for now stick with the S6.

It depends. Do you play any games on your phone? Watch videos for extended periods of time? If so, the s6 is better. It manages battery better and doesn't get near as hot as the g4. If you're on Verizon, you'll also get the stripped software version, but still fully loaded with Verizon bloat. The g4 screen and camera are excellent on the g4....the s6 camera is better in some situations and not as good in others.
The s6 is also a little faster/more smooth than the g4. I'm returning mine in favor of swapping between the s6 and Note 4. My major deciding factors are battery life and stripped software features. The g4 also drops brightness to 80/90% pretty aggressively after a few minutes of use. The battery life is just pathetic. A lot of people, same as with EVERY phone, are going to claim to have 80 hours of battery with 70 hours screen on time, but it's mostly rubbish. If you wanna use your phone, full brightness, the battery will melt. It also dies on the s6 and Note 4 faster with full brightness. .but not near as fast as the g4 and it isn't near as hot either. Couple that with the terribly slow charging, and you pretty much have the functionality of a 2010 smartphone.

I switched about 10 days ago and havent looked back. Im not really having any issues with the G4 myself.
Also, theres several threads on this matter already.

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It depends. Do you play any games on your phone? Watch videos for extended periods of time? If so, the s6 is better. It manages battery better and doesn't get near as hot as the g4. If you're on Verizon, you'll also get the stripped software version, but still fully loaded with Verizon bloat. The g4 screen and camera are excellent on the g4....the s6 camera is better in some situations and not as good in others.
The s6 is also a little faster/more smooth than the g4. I'm returning mine in favor of swapping between the s6 and Note 4. My major deciding factors are battery life and stripped software features. The g4 also drops brightness to 80/90% pretty aggressively after a few minutes of use. The battery life is just pathetic. A lot of people, same as with EVERY phone, are going to claim to have 80 hours of battery with 70 hours screen on time, but it's mostly rubbish. If you wanna use your phone, full brightness, the battery will melt. It also dies on the s6 and Note 4 faster with full brightness. .but not near as fast as the g4 and it isn't near as hot either. Couple that with the terribly slow charging, and you pretty much have the functionality of a 2010 smartphone.
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Amazing review thanks

Rippley05 said:
It depends. Do you play any games on your phone? Watch videos for extended periods of time? If so, the s6 is better. It manages battery better and doesn't get near as hot as the g4. If you're on Verizon, you'll also get the stripped software version, but still fully loaded with Verizon bloat. The g4 screen and camera are excellent on the g4....the s6 camera is better in some situations and not as good in others.
The s6 is also a little faster/more smooth than the g4. I'm returning mine in favor of swapping between the s6 and Note 4. My major deciding factors are battery life and stripped software features. The g4 also drops brightness to 80/90% pretty aggressively after a few minutes of use. The battery life is just pathetic. A lot of people, same as with EVERY phone, are going to claim to have 80 hours of battery with 70 hours screen on time, but it's mostly rubbish. If you wanna use your phone, full brightness, the battery will melt. It also dies on the s6 and Note 4 faster with full brightness. .but not near as fast as the g4 and it isn't near as hot either. Couple that with the terribly slow charging, and you pretty much have the functionality of a 2010 smartphone.
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VZW really screwed you guys. Not sure why they felt the need to strip the phone down of features, yet left the Sammy devices alone...

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VZW really screwed you guys. Not sure why they felt the need to strip the phone down of features, yet left the Sammy devices alone...
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Well they strip Samsung devices too. Not usually as bad, but they did rip the Samsung Browser and app manager apps off. They were easy to replace once we got root.
I hate Verizon. They're really my only option tho. They just really over stepped their bounds on stripping the g4. Apple doesn't allow this to happen, I wish Android would tighten it up a little bit as far as that stuff goes

Barely got my G4 yesterday so I can't really give a good comparison yet. However, I did notice that the S6 is a lot smoother than the G4. Not that the G4 lags, but the difference for me was obvious from the start.
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Jesus, this is like the 5th thread on this. SEARCH
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I actually never got that new phone excitement with either one this year. Neither feels like an upgrade from my S4 except in screen size and camera. Overall I probably liked the S6 more sock vs stock, but I get better battery life with the G4. Once we get root and unlocked BL I think this will be the better device. Hopefully an update fixes some of the issues. It seems like LG rushed out a kernel that wasn't fully ready yet. I look forward to the devs improving the G4.

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I actually never got that new phone excitement with either one this year. Neither feels like an upgrade from my S4 except in screen size and camera. Overall I probably liked the S6 more sock vs stock, but I get better battery life with the G4. Once we get root and unlocked BL I think this will be the better device. Hopefully an update fixes some of the issues. It seems like LG rushed out a kernel that wasn't fully ready yet. I look forward to the devs improving the G4.
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If you don't mind, can you please tell me what some of the issues you're experiencing? I have a Nexus 6 on Verizon and I want the S6 or G4 as a second phone but, I can't decide. I've had the G2, G3, Note 3, Note 4. So I'm really torn. Both have great Camera's so I've read. I have small kids so camera is huge deal to me. Thanks.

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If you don't mind, can you please tell me what some of the issues you're experiencing? I have a Nexus 6 on Verizon and I want the S6 or G4 as a second phone but, I can't decide. I've had the G2, G3, Note 3, Note 4. So I'm really torn. Both have great Camera's so I've read. I have small kids so camera is huge deal to me. Thanks.
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If Camera is your main focus, neither will probably disappoint. I have no experience with the S6 (more a refusal to try after my experience with the Note 4 which became a disaster). I have 3 kids, so I know how ya feel about wanting a great camera experience to capture all that they do. I've taken a bunch of pictures with the G4 of my kids running, swinging, bowling in various types of light and they have come out great. I have been using auto only so far, but plan to play around with the manual mode a bit more once I have time off from work and can tinker more. S6 is supposed to be equally good in auto, but lacks the manual control and RAW ability the G4 has...though I will * that as "right now", since I am sure that Sammy will push that out once the S6 gets 5.1.

Thanks, appreciate that.

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Thanks, appreciate that.
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Anytime! Trust me, I know how hard a decision it is to choose between the 2. Ultimately what sold me was that the G4 was $80-380 cheaper depending on which S6/S6E and how much memory I wanted and LG was offering an extra battery, external charger and 32GB sdcard, and T-Mobile was giving a 128GB sdcard as well. I also think that pictures really make the device look kinda cheesy, when I felt it looks and feels better "in the hand" than pictures would indicate. I'd recommend going into a store that has both and just playing with each. Probably easiest way to make your decision.

The G4 on Verizon is seemingly fine for me. It is lasting longer in my daily routine than my LG G2 (which has been touted as having superb battery life). I really can't complain.
I don't see what Verizon pulled out except the "Themes" for the launcher or something... which I replace with Nova. Not sure about the Messaging or Keyboard, but I don't use stock Messaging. And the stock white lollipop themed keyboard is my fav. I don't know what else is missing from the others, but I am not missing it.
I am missing the stock LG Wireless Storage options from the Verizon LG G2.

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Anytime! Trust me, I know how hard a decision it is to choose between the 2. Ultimately what sold me was that the G4 was $80-380 cheaper depending on which S6/S6E and how much memory I wanted and LG was offering an extra battery, external charger and 32GB sdcard, and T-Mobile was giving a 128GB sdcard as well. I also think that pictures really make the device look kinda cheesy, when I felt it looks and feels better "in the hand" than pictures would indicate. I'd recommend going into a store that has both and just playing with each. Probably easiest way to make your decision.
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That's quite a deal.. And the dimensions of the G4 are more in the range I'm used to. If I went with the S6, it'd be an almost full inch smaller to my Nexus 6. Quite a difference when it comes to handling the phone. The S6 is still intriguing to me, maybe it's the different processor. Never had a phone that wasn't Qualcomm chipped. Thanks again for your unbiased opinions/views.

I've seem far more complaints about the s6 than the G4. Not even close.
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I bought the samsung S6 for the wife, and i got the G4 as other state: camera, display, size, battery goodies, 808 qualcomm , are really good , the display is top notch, like it better than the sammy, I just keeping at 56% and still super nice battery long day and half with moderate use as well disabled all the bloat first, as smartshare.media server and dlna/smartshare provider
Using Nova prime, smooth as hell, but NO Fast and some lag , using from my M8 the power cord to fast charge the battery it does faster but the regular LG power cable it does just fine as well, my wife get jealous of me cause the quality of pics from G4 .
Its a pleasure hold this phone 5.5 LG managed to do in small factor again that gorgeous screen, but no with the software to the end phone look so nice and for me the Samsung g6 is a better phone/user experience than G4
Edit: update G4 going back, ill get the Samsung s6 active

I had the S6 and swapped it for the G4 and it was a great decision, The S6 is a still good phone what enticed me more was the size but that's just preference and coming from a one plus it wasn't much difference and not to mention that as of now the phone can be rooted where as G4 most variants cant be, that aside the battery life is better and the camera is better. The s6 also I'm sure you are aware of has Ram issues it would use about 75% just being idle, the leather back I suppose compensates for the glass that had the S6 going for. I feel as though Touchwiz is slighty better this time around but I prefer stock android. Lastly the lack of fingerprint scanner which isn't a deal breaker to me but would of been nice to have on the G4.

Rippley05 said:
It depends. Do you play any games on your phone? Watch videos for extended periods of time? If so, the s6 is better. It manages battery better and doesn't get near as hot as the g4. If you're on Verizon, you'll also get the stripped software version, but still fully loaded with Verizon bloat. The g4 screen and camera are excellent on the g4....the s6 camera is better in some situations and not as good in others.
The s6 is also a little faster/more smooth than the g4. I'm returning mine in favor of swapping between the s6 and Note 4. My major deciding factors are battery life and stripped software features. The g4 also drops brightness to 80/90% pretty aggressively after a few minutes of use. The battery life is just pathetic. A lot of people, same as with EVERY phone, are going to claim to have 80 hours of battery with 70 hours screen on time, but it's mostly rubbish. If you wanna use your phone, full brightness, the battery will melt. It also dies on the s6 and Note 4 faster with full brightness. .but not near as fast as the g4 and it isn't near as hot either. Couple that with the terribly slow charging, and you pretty much have the functionality of a 2010 smartphone.
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do people really use their phone at max brightness? I use auto if I'm out doors otherwise less than 30 percent. Full brightness hurts my eyes.

What made you go with the Razer Phone

I am torn between upgrading my 6p to a 5t or Razer. I do play a ton of games, so the Razer phone looks amazing to me, can anyone with the phone or that bought the phone tell me why you went with it over other models? How is the battery life for the users out there? Do you get more than a days worth?

I came from a Nexus 6.
The reason I made the jump to the razer phone was mainly the price/quality ratio. Living in a world of £1000 Samsung's and iPhones just wasn't for me.
Love the phone so far.
Battery life has been superb, have had 7hrs SOT so far at the weekend and since it's been weekdays with less usage I've had around 4hrs screen on time and going to bed with 35-45% left which for me is incredible.
7hrs SOT screenshot. https://m.imgur.com/a/ivhrK

ItzMar said:
I came from a Nexus 6.
The reason I made the jump to the razer phone was mainly the price/quality ratio. Living in a world of £1000 Samsung's and iPhones just wasn't for me.
Love the phone so far.
Battery life has been superb, have had 7hrs SOT so far at the weekend and since it's been weekdays with less usage I've had around 4hrs screen on time and going to bed with 35-45% left which for me is incredible.
7hrs SOT screenshot. https://m.imgur.com/a/ivhrK
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I would like to ask one more question. I was watching a review on Youtube and the claimed the phone got warm during gaming... did you experience this? I mean I can take warm but I've had phones that got so hot that it made it super uncomfortable to hold even in Chicago winters.

It doesn't get hot. At least not like previous phones I've had. This might be dampened by the case though.
But to the op, I got it because it has better specs AND a better screen refresh rate. And that's before we even talk about the amazing speakers.
All I have to say is if this is razers FIRST phone and it beats other brands on their 5th+ generation models, uhhh, ya, I can't even imagine how Uber the 2nd gen will be.
I do believe this is where other companies are going to start putting Uber stereo front facing speakers and higher refresh rate screens on their phones.
Oh, and the stock Android experience is always a win. After having an s8 for a couple weeks I'll never buy some bloated, carrier branded crap again.

ItzMar said:
I came from a Nexus 6.
The reason I made the jump to the razer phone was mainly the price/quality ratio. Living in a world of £1000 Samsung's and iPhones just wasn't for me.
Love the phone so far.
Battery life has been superb, have had 7hrs SOT so far at the weekend and since it's been weekdays with less usage I've had around 4hrs screen on time and going to bed with 35-45% left which for me is incredible.
7hrs SOT screenshot. https://m.imgur.com/a/ivhrK
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Are you getting that SOT with fhd or qhd resolution? Once I set my default to 1080p I noticed a way better battery life. Gsmarenas battery review had me worried before I bought it. But now, with 1 hour of SOT at 87% battery I'm feeling much better.
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Depending on the game it varies, playing Kingdom Rush it doesnt even warm up at all.
Playing Asphalt or Titanfall it gets warm to failry warm.
Wouldnt describe it as hot though.
SOT was with 120hz, 1440p. Been getting such great battery life with my day to day usage that i havent seen the need to change anything.

Trying the phone with battery saver always on, 720p @60Hz, and 25-30% adaptive brightness, sometimes adjusting to 80% for outside, I'm so far hitting 5 hours screen on time with 48% battery life left. Doing a bunch of web, mail, vids, and texting, all over cell data. Launched titanfall too, to show a buddy for 5 minutes or so.

kungpaoshizi said:
It doesn't get hot. At least not like previous phones I've had. This might be dampened by the case though.
But to the op, I got it because it has better specs AND a better screen refresh rate. And that's before we even talk about the amazing speakers.
All I have to say is if this is razers FIRST phone and it beats other brands on their 5th+ generation models, uhhh, ya, I can't even imagine how Uber the 2nd gen will be.
I do believe this is where other companies are going to start putting Uber stereo front facing speakers and higher refresh rate screens on their phones.
Oh, and the stock Android experience is always a win. After having an s8 for a couple weeks I'll never buy some bloated, carrier branded crap again.
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Yeah, I've heard a ton of people complain about the waterproof or the phone jack but honestly, I have never plugged in headphones to any of my phones in like the past 3 years. I also don't go swimming or in the shower with my phone so that didn't matter to me. What I really love is that sound and that 120hz refresh rate. I know I might be one of the kind too, but the block look is so much sexier to me than the rounded features of some of the other phones. I am so on the fence between this phone and the 5t from OnePlus. I think what scares me the most about this phone is that its Razer's first phone, so I don't know how it will be or how the support from the community will be in terms of roms/kernels/etc.

Ya, waterproofing and headphone jacks I'll gladly trade for the crazy awesome experience I'm having so far. The screen is awesome, even with the defective bottom speaker (which it only took a day for Razer to send me the RMA email) it still gets louder than comfortable lol...
Premo multimedia, internet, and gaming experience. I would still like it if they gave it a 6-7" screen, but this is great!!!!!

Lots of streaming video time so far, web time, 5mins of titanfall to show someone. Battery saver on the whole time, [email protected], Bluetooth on for a bit, emailing, lots of texting...

Xeraphim98 said:
Yeah, I've heard a ton of people complain about the waterproof or the phone jack but honestly, I have never plugged in headphones to any of my phones in like the past 3 years. I also don't go swimming or in the shower with my phone so that didn't matter to me. What I really love is that sound and that 120hz refresh rate. I know I might be one of the kind too, but the block look is so much sexier to me than the rounded features of some of the other phones. I am so on the fence between this phone and the 5t from OnePlus. I think what scares me the most about this phone is that its Razer's first phone, so I don't know how it will be or how the support from the community will be in terms of roms/kernels/etc.
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That’s what I’m worried about also, I’m still stuck between the 5t or this phone. Such a hard decision to make. ( first world problems lol)
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Hands down this phone is a beast! Spec wise it has everything the rest do but with better screen and speakers.. 120hz screen is just amazing, and a first.. Plus how many phones these days still have expandable storage? Sure the software is light of some features but you know that's just a matter of time to fix. IMHO the only thing holding this phone back atm is waiting on razer to release code and factory images.. Once that happens you will see alot more developers jumping onboard. It's as near pure android as can be without being a google phone and alot of developers like that as it makes it easier to work with.

Xeraphim98 said:
Yeah, I've heard a ton of people complain about the waterproof or the phone jack but honestly, I have never plugged in headphones to any of my phones in like the past 3 years. I also don't go swimming or in the shower with my phone so that didn't matter to me. What I really love is that sound and that 120hz refresh rate. I know I might be one of the kind too, but the block look is so much sexier to me than the rounded features of some of the other phones. I am so on the fence between this phone and the 5t from OnePlus. I think what scares me the most about this phone is that its Razer's first phone, so I don't know how it will be or how the support from the community will be in terms of roms/kernels/etc.
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I also like the "block look" as you mention...and that is why I went with the Sony XZ Premium. I do not have the Razer phone but I am looking hard at it because I need loud stereo speakers for outdoors video presentations. I do wish they had a headphone jack though because I do like being able to listen to whatever while having the phone plugged in to recharge the battery at the same time. I do not use Bluetooth at all, much less for headphones. So this is what hold me back for now.

Anyone holding out for incentives/etc..... Razer is currently throwing in a pair of Hammerhead V2 earbuds (use Discount Code PHONEUP at checkout:
https://www.razerzone.com/promos/gift-guide-17#razer-phone
https://www.razerzone.com/gaming-audio/razer-hammerhead-v2
I know,a bit of irony/WTH here,as the 3.5mm jack is MIA (I don't mind the dongle,but,in no way am I speaking for all here,I know I'm likely in the minority).
A choice between this or a case combo pack woulda been a nice option,but,there ya go.....................................
....................................................................PSST,hey Santa Razer,a temporary price cut woulda made a nice gift for the season !

This makes me smile
https://www.androidbenchmark.net/passmark_chart.html