Hey.
Sorry for yet another likely dumb question, but I was wondering if there was a way to return to the stock recovery and remove superuser? Until things get more stable I'd like to basically return to stock but leave the bootloader unlocked.
I don't want to accidentally mess things up more than they might be already.
If there's also a way to return completely to stock, bootloader included, that would be useful as well. Since a large portion of the community seems to have been locked out for the meantime, I don't mind being stuck with stock for awhile. I might even potentially be willing to switch with someone who doesn't have their bootloader unlocked, but that's something I'll consider later.
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Maybe someone can throw a new guy a bone here? ....
One thing I had on my jailbroken iPhone was free tethering. My Xfinity went down the other day and I realized I couldn't tether my new Android without paying AT$T. So from what I understand, like the iPhone I need to root it and then download a third party tethering app?
If I root now, I'll probably be tempted to give Black Jelly or Frost ROMs a try. I know with this 'Odin' program or 'Nandroid' backup with CWP (still figuring all this out) I can switch between ROMS pretty easily. It takes me about an hour though to download all my apps and reconfig my phone after a reset though. I think Titanium backup or something solves this, but seems to me using something like that with custom ROM, as opposed to a 'clean' install and just start installing/configuring from scratch may pose higher risk of having issues?
So my question is, if I root and install custom ROM, how hard is it to get the official update installed, or any more official future updates installed if I decide I don't want to stay on a custom ROM?
Being an experimental person and my first time to Android, I'm sure I'm going to eventually cave (for sure root) and try a custom ROM. I see SO many posts though in these ROM forums with all sorts of little issues. I want to go back to stock and get official updates if I need to.
When the official jb drops there will most likely be some debloated version on here in a day or so. If you're rooted with a custom recovery it will take no time to install. I would also seriously consider titanium backup, it makes the process much easier.
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jazee said:
Maybe someone can throw a new guy a bone here? ....
So my question is, if I root and install custom ROM, how hard is it to get the official update installed, or any more official future updates installed if I decide I don't want to stay on a custom ROM?
Being an experimental person and my first time to Android, I'm sure I'm going to eventually cave (for sure root) and try a custom ROM. I see SO many posts though in these ROM forums with all sorts of little issues. I want to go back to stock and get official updates if I need to.
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There are two issues you mention: 1) Having a custom ROM and doing an Custom OTA, and 2) OTA with stock ROM and after you you have rooted your phone.
Stock ROM and OTA after Rooting
In times past, there have been vendors that look for rooting and refused to OTA the phone. Citing it violated warantee, contract, whatever. AT&T use to do it, but with current ROMs, especially with the S3, they simply turn off the SUID bit on /system/xbin/su during the update.(They turn off the Root modification, of sorts). The current OTA of 4.0.4 does this trick. Making near impossible to root afterwards.
Usually it is always best to flash back to stock to insure you get a clean OTA.
Some versions of rooting will allow you to keep root even after OTA, but I would not count on it.
The other issue that some forget is any modification to the ROM may trip a counter which may cause OTA's to fail. In the S3 there is a counter on how many times the ROM has been flashed by custom software. Once it is tripped, any warantee you have on the device is voided. You can see the information when you set your phone into flash mode.
There are programs to reset the counter, and other methods, but it gets pretty ugly and you can hard brick your phone in some cases. Just use them with care.
Custom ROM and OTA after Rooting
With custom ROM's rooting is the norm. OTA's will usually not affect them. In fact some OTA's will include updated 'su' programs. There are some custom ROM's that are not able to OTA.
So it sounds to me like if I plan on rooting to get the free tethering, I should always wait until there's a stock ROM available here and manually install it? That way, I don't lose my root and I don't increase the counter unnecessarily?
Thanks for your help.
So, I have been searching a bit on how to root the Nexus 7 2013. The process I have found seems pretty simple, even for me, as someone who never worked with a Nexus device before.
Unlock bootloader, flash recovery and flash the root.
But the first step, unlock bootloader, has a problem: it wipes all the user data (including SD Card data!!). As the tablet isn't mine (but I was asked to root it), I can't simply just clear all of its data and do the whole process. Thinking of that, I googled a bit on how to root without unlocking bootloader, but I have found nothing (all recent Sony phones, with a few tricks and the right tool, can do that) regarding the 2013 model.
I'm not sure if there is actually no way to do that or my search skills suddenly got horribe... So, the thing is: Is there a way to do that? Root without having to unlock bootloader (and, thus, wiping all data)? Or I have to unlock it?
EDIT: I found this Toolkit, but did a search and nothing regarding that in the 22 pages of the thread...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2389107
Another few questions that I'm lost: I still haven't quite understood why I have to flash the stock ROM back after I do the whole process... So, why?
And, also, what do I lose unlocking bootloader? I mean, the tablet isn't mine (it's from my younger brother), so the easiest, the best, so keeping OTA updates for example are essential. Do I lose it? What else?
It sounds, for me, some silly questions, but I'm still confused... Seems like doing that kind of stuff is easier with my Sony phone. I don't know if it is due me being used to it, but Nexus is sounding to be WAY more hard than everyone keeps saying it is...
Thanks in advance...
Tell them what is going to happen if they want root. Backup as much of their data as you can, then unlock it. You should be able to get most data backed up one way or another.
At the moment you cannot unlock without wiping because the bootloader enforces that. There might be a way to get around that in the future, but not right now.
When you root, use SuperSU v1.55
http://download.chainfire.eu/346/SuperSU/UPDATE-SuperSU-v1.55.zip
Versions prior to that had an issue with preventing OTAs from completing.
1.60 may have some other issues with changes to OTA survival mode.
Not sure where you read you had to flash the stock rom, but it isn't necessary.
You don't really "lose" anything by unlocking it. Someone might bypass your lockscreen to get at your data, but there is a big inconvenience factor leaving it locked (because eventually you'll want it unlocked, at which point it become more painful to backup/restore your data), so you'll have to decide if it is worth the tradeoff.
The issues with stuff not working after unlocking don't have to do with the unlock itself. They have to do with folks rooting and then using their root power to install changes, which then start breaking things.
If you just install SuperSU 1.55 and don't install themes, APM mods, etc. etc. then everything should still work (except apps which specifically won't work, for security reasons, if they detect root)
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Thanks for the answers. As I said, I have some Android knowledge, but still got confused with a new "kind" of device. Once again, thanks
Hello,
I haven't been here in so long. After reading through the forum I am a little confused.
I am on stock 4.1.2, rooted, and using CW recovery.
I see all the discussion about not updating to 4.3, but I'm not sure if what I have read is up to date or not.
Is there still a problem updating to 4.3? KNOX?
How should I update to 4.3? Do it need to undo root and go back to stock recovery? I'm not sure how to do this. I have used custom ROMS in the past but it's been too long.
Also, it seems that rooting 4.3 is no problem. Is this true?
Thanks,
rblancrt
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Hello,
I haven't been here in so long. After reading through the forum I am a little confused.
I am on stock 4.1.2, rooted, and using CW recovery.
I see all the discussion about not updating to 4.3, but I'm not sure if what I have read is up to date or not.
Is there still a problem updating to 4.3? KNOX?
How should I update to 4.3? Do it need to undo root and go back to stock recovery? I'm not sure how to do this. I have used custom ROMS in the past but it's been too long.
Also, it seems that rooting 4.3 is no problem. Is this true?
Thanks,
rblancrt
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Sure, you can upgrade to 4.3 if you want to
the reason why people said not to upgrade to 4.3 is because a lot of people DO NOT READ and come asking for help this or that after they upgrade
and the main reason why people mention not to upgrade is because you can unlock for free as long as you can downgrade your phone to 4.1.1, mainly the bootloader since 4.3 bootloader comes with KNOX
since you're still on 4.1.2, you can downgrade and unlock your phone for free while you still can before upgrading it to 4.3
so this is what you should do, check, if your phone is fully unlocked, if not, unlock it then upgrade
or if you're rich and you don't care, just upgrade and then if you wish to unlock later, pay for unlock code =D
and rooting shouldn't be any problem regardless of which version of android you're on.
to upgrade, you can just download the stock img and flash it through recovery or just use odin flash it
or if you're prefer the old fashion way, the long way in fact, is to unroot, upgrade through system update
I would say don't upgrade. The new bootloader has a warranty bit (aka the Knox counter) that, once tripped, can't be reset. Ever. By anyone. The ONLY way I would even consider upgrading is if you need Knox security for work (the majority of us don't). I wouldn't even upgrade if I were selling the device. Let the new owner make that decision for themself. But, I would unlock it. Even if you never need it, it may add a few bucks to the selling price of the phone later on.
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I would say don't upgrade. The new bootloader has a warranty bit (aka the Knox counter) that, once tripped, can't be reset. Ever. By anyone. The ONLY way I would even consider upgrading is if you need Knox security for work (the majority of us don't). I wouldn't even upgrade if I were selling the device. Let the new owner make that decision for themself. But, I would unlock it. Even if you never need it, it may add a few bucks to the selling price of the phone later on.
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But what exactly is the effect of this Knox counter. If it's only that I can't reflash a stock ROM and send it back to Samsung that time has long passed.
I guess I'm getting bored with my phone, had it almost two years, and thought updating to the latest firmware might help.
What are the repercussions of going to 4.3 or higher?
Thanks again for the great info.
If you are out of warranty, the only drawback, imo, to updating is you cannot downgrade the firmware or modem. You could still flash older roms and kernels, just not the full firmware and not the modem.
Personally, I wouldn't let knox deter me from updating, or recommending it. This is for each person to decide, but I feel the benefits outweigh any drawbacks. knox is easily removed or disabled, and I find the latest builds to be some of the best in terms of performance and battery. (of course there are always some who disagree with that on every update!) of course there are no guarantees, but most seem to be quite happy with both 4.3 and 4.4.2.
As for downgrading.....I have never found a real need for doing so. Some have though, so thats something you need to decide for yourself.
You can try some of the available roms w/o updating the firmware btw. But if you decide you like them, I do suggest going back and fully updating for stability and performance, but thats something for you to decide if you want to go that route.
There will be some who agree and some who do not, so in the end its up to you make an educated decision whether or not you want to.
Sorry guys, I know there is a ton of info out there about this but I am about to sell my Note 3 and I'd like to unroot it and make it completely stock. I've seen stuff to flash the new firmware but I'm not sure if that makes it completely stock. I want whoever buys to be able to get OTA updates and such.
Any help would be appreciated.
I had Superuser on it and I went to full unroot but got stuck in something funky now SU doesn't show up and I fear I'll get myself into something a little more fuzzy if I keep messing with it.
Thanks
Make it completely stock? Easy, download stock ROM and flash.
My girlfriend's 5x is perfect for her in every way except performance, is just too laggy. I've been thinking about installing a custom kernel to help address it. She uses Android Pay here in NYC regularly so I can't kill that for her and I'm reading that any bootloader unlocking/root breaks Android Pay.
My question is, can I just unlock the bootloader, install a custom kernel, and then re-lock the bootloader just to leave everything else stock? Is it that easy? If I understand correctly, she'd only need root to modify settings on the kernel so we'd have to pick one which accomplishes what she wants out of the gate.
If this is possible, what happens when an OTA comes out? Will I just likely need to keep the kernel updated as well myself by flashing it?
Thanks all!
Unlocking bootloader does not break Android Pay. Rooting will, but there is currently a workaround for that; however, it will likely be patched in a future Android Pay update.
To get an OTA to work, I believe you would need to flash back to stock over the custom kernel (should involve flashing the boot.img of the current build you're on). But, if you're going to need to flash stuff anyways, might as well just learn how to flash the update yourself. Search around the threads, there's plenty of information on how to do this.
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