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https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=galaxy_nexus_hspa
I know there's GSM support for it. I'm unfamiliar with AOSP devices. Will there be, or is there good developer support for the device when used with AT&T? I'm coming from a SGS 2 SkyRocket.
If you're not using the GSM version on AT&T there's probably no reason for you to be a troll.
Have you seriously not read a thread or news article in the last 24 hours?
That's not an AT&T Galaxy Nexus. Its an unlocked i9250 GSM model. Works on AT&T, T-Mobile, or any GSM carrier in the US/World. Its the same (save for pre-installed Google Wallet) as the European model that's been sold for the last 5+ months.
Seriously?
Google Officially Selling Galaxy Nexus GSM in USA via Play Store ($399)
On the first page of this forum.
I understand that... The phone will work on AT&T. Never said AT&T is selling it. FFS I linked to the Google page for it.
I just seen this today. The question is: is it worth it? If there's not going to be any developers working on it. It's probably not worth it to me. I'd probably just get the SGS 3.
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I understand that... The phone will work on AT&T. Never said AT&T is selling it. FFS I linked to the Google page for it.
I just seen this today. The question is: is it worth it? If there's not going to be any developers working on it. It's probably not worth it to me. I'd probably just get the SGS 3.
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worth it? yes.
development?
is this not the GSM Nexus dev page..????????????????????????
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1339
X10D3 said:
I understand that... The phone will work on AT&T. Never said AT&T is selling it. FFS I linked to the Google page for it.
I just seen this today. The question is: is it worth it? If there's not going to be any developers working on it. It's probably not worth it to me. I'd probably just get the SGS 3.
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Please just leave this thread and go join the other ones. You clearly have not read about the device, because it is the EXACT SAME as the other ones. It won't be a special phone that requires different ROMs or development. The phone has been on sale for over 5 months.
X10D3 said:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=galaxy_nexus_hspa
Is it worth it? Think any developers will support it? Currently have a SkyRocket.
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Lol lames
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I updated my question to be a bit more clear.
"I know there's GSM support for it. I'm unfamiliar with AOSP devices. Will there be, or is there good developer support for the device when used with AT&T? I'm coming from a SGS 2 SkyRocket."
The damn trolls are deep in this forum.
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I updated my question to be a bit more clear.
"I know there's GSM support for it. I'm unfamiliar with AOSP devices. Will there be, or is there good developer support for the device when used with AT&T? I'm coming from a SGS 2 SkyRocket."
The damn trolls are deep in this forum.
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No, we're not trolls, we're just tired of people that are uninformed creating irrelevant, duplicate threads before searching or even reading the titles of the threads on the first page of the forum.
Obviously this phone has developer support, it's a Nexus. It doesn't matter what freaking SIM card you put in the back of it, its still the same device. GSM device support is GSM device support. Read. Please!
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So are pointless, redundant threads apparently.
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FFS ppl the OP was just asking a question. Yes the GN sold by Google is supported by AOSP and will have [email protected]!# ton of ROM and development going for a long time
Per your suggestion I've looked through the last 5 pages and there's a couple that's semi similar to mine. The official announcement: which I could try to start a conversation there and it get lost in the general chatter about it, and another question like mine but about the battery. I could hijack his thread. That would be cool? Instead of trolling, which most of the replies have been, you could have said something like "I seen a post earlier that might help out". The replies have been absolute crap. If you're tired of seeing it ignore it.
I'm Never used an AOSP device, or an international device. Before I bought it I thought I would come over kick up a conversation with some people that have a GN and ask some questions. General stuff about development on it. Is there a difference between this one and the international version.
The way you people responded to someone that has never been in this specific device's forum, or messed with any variant of the device before is not right.
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FFS ppl the OP was just asking a question. Yes the GN sold by Google is supported by AOSP and will have [email protected]!# ton of ROM and development going for a long time
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Thank you!! I'll talk to you.
Thinking about buying it. Never used or paid much attention to AOSP devices because AT&T doesn't sell them. Are there any catches coming from Non-AOSP devices? I wasn't sure if there's any catches to using the international GSM roms with AT&T. Completely clueless here. I don't necessarily have time to read every post for 10 pages. Looking for a general overview of my questions.
You asked a really obvious question which is why people are responding to you the way they are. The question also doesn't make much sense since it is hard to believe that you this little about this phone. I think you are asking if the Galaxy Nexus works well with AT&T. The answer is yes. It also works well with any GSM network provider. There is good development for this phone, and nothing has to be or will be unique to AT&T.
There's no catches to using this phone with AT&T. Everything works great. Well actually, there are a few catches, I wouldn't get this phone if you were hoping to have:
1. Delayed software updates, or no updates at all
2. Terrible superimposed user interface that is more buggy
3. Lots of bloatware like AT&T Navigator just in case you wanted to pay AT&T for something Google gives for free and does a better job at.
If you are looking for any of those, then yeah, that's the only catch.
Why would I every look into a phone that I can't use? It has nice specs. I can't use it. Close. What's obvious to you isn't so obvious to someone else. Maybe it's all exactly the same as what I'm used to, or maybe there's some stuff you you "just know from experience" that I wouldn't know.
I read your post twice and I have no idea what you were trying to say.
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I read your post twice and I have no idea what you were trying to say.
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Maybe a better question is: "Do the GSM ROMS work correctly on AT&T without any catches? If there is a catch are the developer pretty quick to help fix, or do the developers ignore AT&T"
I know this is not a primary AT&T device so I know the support is going to be back burner. I just want to know how back burner it is.
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Maybe a better question is: "Do the GSM ROMS work correctly on AT&T without any catches? If there is a catch are the developer pretty quick to help fix, or do the developers ignore AT&T"
I know this is not a primary AT&T device so I know the support is going to be back burner. I just want to know how back burner it is.
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Yes all GSM rooms currently in the GSM development section will work and all future ones too.
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X10D3 said:
Maybe a better question is: "Do the GSM ROMS work correctly on AT&T without any catches? If there is a catch are the developer pretty quick to help fix, or do the developers ignore AT&T"
I know this is not a primary AT&T device so I know the support is going to be back burner. I just want to know how back burner it is.
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This is what I'm saying. You have a very very weak understanding of how this works. Do you really think that there are specific ROMs and tweaks for all of the dozens of carriers people are using this device on? Its an unlocked GSM device. There's no special software needed. You put in your SIM card.
Developers suppor the device. Not the network.
And by us , I mean those that do not have the skill or desire to hack the phone. I honestly have bought every Nexus device so that I get the latest and greatest vanilla Android experience without having to fool with it. That has been the case up until the Galaxy N.
This is the easiest phone to "hack." Make some new neural pathways; it's good for you.
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cant believe you're in this forum, saying those things
youre talking about a device that screams to have its bootloader unlocked in a forum that 99.990002618513226212% of the members flash all type of stuff and are willing to give u a hand
One question: Did you mean yakjuxw or yakjuwx? The builds are different I guess.
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And by us , I mean those that do not have the skill or desire to hack the phone. I honestly have bought every Nexus device so that I get the latest and greatest vanilla Android experience without having to fool with it. That has been the case up until the Galaxy N.
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Google has provided the images on their site. It is very simple to flash them to your device. No hacking required... all official methods. See the "flash" link in my post. Many of us will guide you though it if you have issues.
If that is too much "fooling around" to get "the latest and greatest", would you mind if I asked you what you are doing on a developers' site?
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He's probably waiting for a direct link to the yakjuxw update...
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Google has provided the images on their site. It is very simple to flash them to your device. No hacking required... all official methods. See the "flash" link in my post. Many of us will guide you though it if you have issues.
If that is too much "fooling around" to get "the latest and greatest", would you mind if I asked you what you are doing on a developers' site?
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I guess he meant that google should provide better support for Galaxy Nexus, OTA for some and not for others makes no sense. Atleast they should provide better information. Since you see him asking here instead of an official google or an android site, then it confirms that XDA provide better answers than google and android combined.
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He's probably waiting for a direct link to the yakjuxw update...
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I understand exactly what he is looking for. What I was trying to get across to him, is that it is just as easy to switch to yakju, and it comes with more benefits. No one has demonstrated any benefits to being on a non-yakju/takju build, only detriments.
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I guess he meant that google should provide better support for Galaxy Nexus, OTA for some and not for others makes no sense. Atleast they should provide better information. Since you see him asking here instead of an official google or an android site, then it confirms that XDA provide better answers than google and android combined.
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Google does provide better support for the Galaxy Nexus than any other device. Can you name me a device that Google provides better support for? If the OP is asking here on a dev site, he should expect to get a dev answer, like "flash it yourself".
What you are talking about is non-yakju builds that are NOT supported by Google - they are supported by Samsung. So, if you want to get your updates once they have gone through two bureaucracies (Samsung and Google) and double the time, then stay on a non-yakju build, If you want to get them once gone through only one (Google), then flash yakju or takju, and you will get them much sooner.
i felt the same way as the OP.. until i grew some balls and flashed to yakju. hihi.
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... What I was trying to get across to him, is that it is just as easy to switch to yakju, and it comes with more benefits. No one has demonstrated any benefits to being on a non-yakju/takju build, only detriments....
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I had my GNex for just 3 days before it lost completely any GSM/Data and WIFI signal - permanently!!!
I am now very happy that I didn't follow your instructions an move to "yakju", because they replaced it with a new one.
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I had my GNex for just 3 days before it lost completely any GSM/Data and WIFI signal - permanently!!!
I am now very happy that I didn't follow your instructions an move to "yakju", because they replaced it with a new one.
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If you had a faulty device, that has nothing to do with yakju.
And besides, there have been reports that people returned their non-yakju device with yakju installed, with NO issue. On the contrary, there have been NO reports (that I have seen on XDA anyway) of anyone being denied warranty because of installing yakju (which by the way, is the factory image...).
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Google has provided the images on their site. It is very simple to flash them to your device. No hacking required... all official methods. See the "flash" link in my post. Many of us will guide you though it if you have issues.
If that is too much "fooling around" to get "the latest and greatest", would you mind if I asked you what you are doing on a developers' site?
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Understandable question for sure, but I joined this forum when I was researching my first Nexus device and all roads led here. Any question could be answered here, any information found. Just because I don't dive into flashing my phone doesn't mean questions don't come up or I don't have the urge to know what's coming out or available now. Basically XDA has become my authority on cell phones even though I don't mod mine to its fullest potential.
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I guess he meant that google should provide better support for Galaxy Nexus, OTA for some and not for others makes no sense. Atleast they should provide better information. Since you see him asking here instead of an official google or an android site, then it confirms that XDA provide better answers than google and android combined.
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fpbasilio said:
i felt the same way as the OP.. until i grew some balls and flashed to yakju. hihi.
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Touche
Another quick question, if someone local flashes my phone to Yakju , is there a way to not lose all my current data? ( texts, mms, data for the games and apps I'm currently using, etc)
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Another quick question, if someone local flashes my phone to Yakju , is there a way to not lose all my current data? ( texts, mms, data for the games and apps I'm currently using, etc)
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Yes. Given you are on 4.0.2 (or 4.0.1), you can follow this step-by-step to root. Then you can install Titanium Backup, which will back up everything for you. Then follow this step-by-step to flash yakju.
It's not difficult at all -- actually quite simple. I'm sure it looks much more daunting than it actually is.
Updates are rolled out in BATCHES. Not everyone or every firmware version receives updates at the same time. That's how it is and how it's always been.
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Updates are rolled out in BATCHES. Not everyone or every firmware version receives updates at the same time. That's how it is and how it's always been.
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Correct, but yakju and takju will ALWAYS get updates before the other GSM builds. Case in point: only yakju and takju are on 4.0.4, and they were on 4.0.2 first.
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What you are talking about is non-yakju builds that are NOT supported by Google - they are supported by Samsung. So, if you want to get your updates once they have gone through two bureaucracies (Samsung and Google) and double the time, then stay on a non-yakju build, If you want to get them once gone through only one (Google), then flash yakju or takju, and you will get them much sooner.
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still they should make nexus in a one build GSM, one build CDMA. No point of having a nexus phone that is behind in support! Atleast they should print on the box "this product is not supported by google"
Hi all:
Does anyone know if it's possible to use the screen from an i9023 phone on an i9020? I have a broken screen on a 9020, and the 9023 are quite a bit cheaper than the 9020 ones. For the intended use, I don't mind about the screen differences (AMOLED, LCD).
Thanks in advance.
Wrong forum.
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Wrong forum.
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Absolutely! I'm so used to reading the GNex forums, I didn't even think I wasn't in the Nexus S forum.
Apologies. Mods, feel free to move the thread (or delete it, as I since found out it won't work).
I have downloaded and installed the new 4.2 camera app on my GNex. My question is sort of simple. Where does one find instructions on how to use it? In particular, I am looking for documentation on the new "sphere" feature.
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I have downloaded and installed the new 4.2 camera app on my GNex. My question is sort of simple. Where does one find instructions on how to use it? In particular, I am looking for documentation on the new "sphere" feature.
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Wait until it is officially released and you will get documents on how to use it.
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Wait until it is officially released and you will get documents on how to use it.
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With all due respect, I don't want to wait. I am looking to this community to suggest places that Google or other knowledgeable users might have put some info on how the app works.
DavidFlory said:
With all due respect, I don't want to wait. I am looking to this community to suggest places that Google or other knowledgeable users might have put some info on how the app works.
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If the info is not yet available.... it's not yet available. You have to wait like the rest of us.
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If the info is not yet available.... it's not yet available. You have to wait like the rest of us.
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Are you saying that you know the information is not yet available? That is helpful. Otherwise saying "if it is not available then it is not available" is an unhelpful tautology.
I think that the 4.2 camera app is available on a few of the new tablets that just got announced. It is not unreasonable to ask if there is any info on usage or features.
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Wait until it is officially released and you will get documents on how to use it.
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this
So there should be documentation on something that doesn't officially exist yet? Ok.
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With all due respect, I don't want to wait.
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No one cares what you want. I want a million dollars right now tax free. Is that going to happen? Hell no.
As for your "situation", you can just learn it yourself by messing around with all the options. It's not likes it's going to kill YOU if YOU do the legwork YOURSELF instead of asking us to do the work for you.
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No one cares what you want. I want a million dollars right now tax free. Is that going to happen? Hell no.
As for your "situation", you can just learn it yourself by messing around with all the options. It's not likes it's going to kill YOU if YOU do the legwork YOURSELF instead of asking us to do the work for you.
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I really don't understand why you guys are all dumping on me. I asked a simple question and a link or quick suggestion would have sufficed. I clearly am capable of doing my own legwork or I would not be running a custom ROM on an unlocked phone and finding and installing an unreleased app.
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I really don't understand why you guys are all dumping on me. I asked a simple question and a link or quick suggestion would have sufficed. I clearly am capable of doing my own legwork or I would not be running a custom ROM on an unlocked phone and finding and installing an unreleased app.
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It's because of 1) your question and 2) your responses.
You're asking if anyone has a link to help about something that isn't released. When you were told there isn't such a thing yet, you sounded like a whinny little kid and said "no, I don't want to. Do it for me". How else do you think rue XDA community (who is known for not searching and asking to be spoonfed as well as dumping on said people) is going to respond?
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I really don't understand why you guys are all dumping on me. I asked a simple question and a link or quick suggestion would have sufficed. I clearly am capable of doing my own legwork or I would not be running a custom ROM on an unlocked phone and finding and installing an unreleased app.
I love baby pandas.
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Because you are wanting bleeding edge unreleased software. This comes at a price and that price is you are part of the first ones using it, so of course there is no documentation. It essentially is a beta, it isn't even promised to work let alone have a users guide for it yet. Maybe in a couple months someone will write a guide telling you what the buttons do.
I tried to help inform you but your general rudeness and 'whining' is making me not want to bother and apparently is having the same effect on others that are normally very helpful users here.
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I have downloaded and installed the new 4.2 camera app on my GNex. My question is sort of simple. Where does one find instructions on how to use it? In particular, I am looking for documentation on the new "sphere" feature.
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Have you tried it?? It's pretty self explanatory, what are your questions? Also, Google is not well known for documenting their features.
Has anybody tried searching on Google ?
As the the title suggests, I think that it would help make things less cluttered. Just a Nexus 7 LTE (2013) Android Development subforum, not a complete new device forum. Btw, I still don't understand the difference between Development and Original Development, so please comment if you do understand and do think that we need them both for LTE version.
I already suggested this to forum mod MikeChannon, he said they would consider it.
Thinking that the earlier we get it the less effort, problems and trouble it creates I am now putting up this poll.
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As the the title suggests, I think that it would help make things less cluttered. Just a Nexus 7 LTE (2013) Android Development subforum, not a complete new device forum. Btw, I still don't understand the difference between Development and Original Development, so please comment if you do understand and do think that we need them both for LTE version.
I already suggested this to forum mod MikeChannon, he said they would consider it.
Thinking that the earlier we get it the less effort, problems and trouble it creates I am now putting up this poll.
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That would be a good idea. And you can read about it here http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
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Nexus 7 LTE different
The Nexus 7 LTE is different from Nexus Wi-Fi similarly how the predecessor Nexus 7 Mobile is different from the Wi-Fi model.
However, in the US, the LTE will run on the top-3: AT&T, Verizon and T-Mobile, and in multiple modes, so expect lots of questions about APNs, plans and such.
Another area of confusion will be the various VoIP clients people will use, like Talkatone, Sipdroid, CSipSimple.
I am not sure how it affects the forum disposition, but if you thought you didn't have enough impossible problems before, get yourself a shiny Nexus 7 LTE... There's a reason for it being late.
PhoneGeek said:
I am not sure how it affects the forum disposition, but if you thought you didn't have enough impossible problems before, get yourself a shiny Nexus 7 LTE... There's a reason for it being late.
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not sure what you are implying here, but i have one for almost a week now, it is awesome, and it is flawless. even stock 4.3 rooted is not that bad, i would like to have some options though.
It's been announced that all operator versions will be identical (ATT, Sprint, Verizon, etc.). That is something different from the previous N7. So maybe, just maybe someone should try ROM compatibility with Flo (Wifi). If that works out (minus LTE hardware drivers) we won't need a separate forum. And the development would be much better in total as a result of having way more devices....it'd be cool to pick a WiFi rom and flash it on an LTE, and then just flash the LTE module...oh the possibilities....
i tried different flo images on my deb n7 and it doesn't work. it's not booting, it gets stuck at the x. only way to make it work again was flashing an deb image again. so i think a sub forum for deb would be nice
Yeah, good idea. The old Nexus 7 has a dedicated sub-forum for the 3G version too. It makes finding stuff much easier.
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not sure what you are implying here, but i have one for almost a week now, it is awesome, and it is flawless. even stock 4.3 rooted is not that bad, i would like to have some options though.
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I am referring to the Nexus 7 LTE having a seven-band LTE radio. It's the first device anytime, anywhere I know of to have such a complex radio.
I am also referring to the enormous possibilities this offers Nexus 7 LTE owners, which will compel them to try things never tried before. Take the tinkering with a Galaxy Nexus. Now triple it.
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Apparently the Nexus 7 LTE went on sale over-the-counter in Germany and Australia on 8/29:
Asutralia: http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/114844
Germany: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZ0iXzQNckI
Note that there are two versions with different LTE bands.
The EU model is for everywhere outside the US, which would be 95% of the world's telecom. "EverUwhere"
So Google/ASUS launches the US model after the EU model.
Apparenly ASUS has a 16 GiB LTE model that Google isn't selling yet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nexus_7_(2013_version)#Model_variants
well, i guess this means searching for us LTE owners then...
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well, i guess this means searching for us LTE owners then...
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I got an LTE model in Europe on 2 Sept, and I really would like to have a sub-forum, since browsing the normal one and trying to find stuff for the LTE one is just driving me crazy.
Actually, you can find this device in Europe (Germany and Italy, maybe Poland or Romania but I'm not sure).
And we wait soon this version in UK and France nearly.
And it's my next device
And as you know you can request to open this subforum as N7 3G here: *** New Device Forum Requests ***
This would be a great idea. Keep the wifi only and LTE ROMs in different sections.
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Good idea. Otherwise, I'll need to constantly remind myself to be mindful if the ROM or update is for the wifi only, or LTE.
Otherwise, another possible option would be to append the beginning of each post with a [WIFI] , [LTE] or [GENERIC] depending on which flavour it belongs to.
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Actually, you can find this device in Europe (Germany and Italy, maybe Poland or Romania but I'm not sure).
And we wait soon this version in UK and France nearly.
And it's my next device
And as you know you can request to open this subforum as N7 3G here: *** New Device Forum Requests ***
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Forum for the device is already created, we just need a subforum for LTE version, pretty basic considering the old model got one as well! Why they didn't create it at the start is a mystery to me.
jak3z said:
Forum for the device is already created, we just need a subforum for LTE version, pretty basic considering the old model got one as well! Why they didn't create it at the start is a mystery to me.
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Sorry, but you have not understood what I meant or I misspoke.
I meant that it would be better to use the normal way to request the opening of a sub-forum in the thread provided for it => *** New Device Forum Requests ***
I know that the forum, for this device, has been created and we have use the normal way to open a sub-forum for the N7 3G.
I know that the admins will open a sub-forum 2013 N7 for LTE very soon. Don't be afraid
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Sorry, but you have not understood what I meant or I misspoke.
I meant that it would be better to use the normal way to request the opening of a sub-forum in the thread provided for it => *** New Device Forum Requests ***
I know that the forum, for this device, has been created and we have use the normal way to open a sub-forum for the N7 3G.
I know that the admins will open a sub-forum 2013 N7 for LTE very soon. Don't be afraid
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I don't lose anything posting, true, just did it.
Muikkuman said:
That would be a good idea. And you can read about it here http://www.xda-developers.com/android/introducing-original-development-forums-for-more-devices/
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thanks for the hint. so basically the (not-original) development forums are the useless ones, that could as well be deleted all together. or stuff that is OK and useful, but on an arbitrary scale not "original" enough.
so basically i have to look in both subforums all the time to find something interesting. way to go, xda. and i thought they were back on a better path...
bumping this...
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bumping this...
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Forum mods or whoever have to do it, seem to be too busy for it.