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Hi and thank you for your patience
When I enter the "Quick system info" app I see that I have several storages.
Can someone please explain what are the uses for the following 2 storages?
System storage - I have 68MB free out of 250. Is t normal ?
Internal storage – 129 MB free out of 148.
Another question.
When I enter the "Processes" tab I see that every process take about 20MB is it ok ?
First of all why would you ask if it's normal? Doesn't it seem that your phone has problems, does it run crappy?
The system partition is the partition on which your system is installed and if you are not S-off can only be accessed in recovery.
The internal memory is the data partition, that is where all the apps are installed.
I don't know about the required free space on system, but if you did not remove any pre installed apps just leave it, it's fine. If you did remove pre installed apps you can move some apps form /data/app to system/app to save some space on the internal memory, but in your case that isn't necessary because you still have 129 Mb free.
About the processes, it's all fine except if you experience heavy lag, than you might need a task killer and use it every once in a while.
...and by safe I really mean a logical, usable size for caches etc. In example, a size which wouldn't give me problems when, I'm browsing in "heavy" websites, downloading through marketplace, or receiving messages and emails.
Since I got my desire and flashed the latest LeeDroid ROM, I've started installing apps like there's no tomorrow. Naturally, most of them I just try and discard, but a lot of them I just keep on my phone even if I use them once a week, or even once a month. With A2SD enabled, I currently have a whopping 188 apps installed. I think they will soon classify a psychiatric condition named after me. That leaves me with around 25mb left in Internal storage, and around 20mb remaining in A2SD.
On my Touch Pro, again, with a [censored]load of apps installed, I usually left around 30mb of free memory, just for various caches. Would it be wise to do the same for android, or should I just wait for the "low space" notification to start clearing things out?.
So I'm wondering. How much free storage you guys have on your desire? And how much would you consider it would be wise to leave free. Would a full-featured site use more than, say 10mb of cache? Would we ever need more than 10mb of cache for mail or messages? Any other serious disadvantages of having an -almost full- internal storage space?
(I already got brut mod for google maps, so maps cache ain't a problem)
Sorry for the long post and possibly needless question... insomnia at it's best
akpidis said:
... How much free storage you guys have on your desire?
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Hit the wall today...
became unstable ..
trouble getting data connections (good reception area)
Camera app not connecting to camera
slow
Down to 8MB internal free !! (cachemate only freed additional 2MB)
214 apps ;-)
A2SD(+) 1.24 GB free / 1.92GB total
Time to delete apps now
Need a better a2sd(+) or bigger phone !
Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed, we Desire users are going to have to get used to doing a hard reset every month or so. Currently have 85mb of phone storage left after a hard reset last week. Before that I was down to 12Mb.
130MB using SuperVillain. I only have around 25 apps though.
Leave 10% or more free. Less than 10% will cause things to start breaking.
memory
hi guys iv got about 110 apps or so and still got 305mb mem on my desire and thats internal memory buy using data2sd very good the only problems i got is my phone crashes and freezes now and again thing its my sd card so is going to try another
I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.
WARNING, dont get it wrong.
The new Nexus S indeed has 16GB memory ...
But only 1GB for internal memory where you can use to install app.
It has 13 GB as "emulated SD card".
Read this:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=868772
sh500 said:
I'm using LeeDroid's ROM and am left with about 22MB - how are you lot doing an app count? I know I've got quite few apps installed. It's a shame we have to worry about this. I thought I had saw the end of it when I moved from WM6.X devices!
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
The new Nexus S comes with 16GB nand memory - this is what all android phones should have had from the beginning - bigger internal memory.
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That's still a lot of apps to be stored in 1GB! If that guy up there fit 200ish apps in around our 140MB of space with A2SD+, then theoretically you could put like nearly 1000 apps on the nexus S!
Ah I see...I take that back then!
How comes Apple can do it with their phones but none that are running Android can?? Is it simply a cost thing?
It's obviously apparent that many Android users are installing apps/games mounting way over 500MB.
Got data2ext and have 1.7GB free. I left some directories on the internal storage and created some links. I have to say it working pretty well. Almost no performance lost. Only noticed performance issue while playing asphalt hd.
But the internal storage of nexus s is a step forward. But still more improvement needed. Once they fix those storage issues we will get greater and bigger apps.
R
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paulgun said:
214 apps ;-)
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down to only 172 apps (29 MB internal free)...
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
I suspect knowing what to leave to have a minimal system is the trick?
Can I boot with 0 system apps installed ?
I'm thinking "why not" , I can use the command line adb , so I don't think
I even need a gui or fileexplorer app at all ?
Will think about it when the latest LeeDroid has stablised... TBA
65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
I've the official last Froyo Update (I only rooted it with unrevoked and substituted the recovery but the ROM is the official one), and I've set on SD card all the apps that permit it.
Yes I know that I must install app2sd and I'm shure I will do it soon, but that is not the point.
The point is: please, someone can explain to me where I'm wrong in my calculations, or what bug or know issue I'm missing?
spile wrote: "Yes I think that until the memory leak in the contacts storage is fixed..." but again: even this search lead me to an endless list of topics in wich someone say: "Hey my contacts storage on HTC Desire is 40MB, how's that? " and someone other: "Use apps2sd 'cause HTC is bad".
Worst: that's not my case, my contacts storage state 3MB.
Again I know that in a way or another I'm ending this with apps2sd, but again I say it's not my point: my point is I want to undestand where is the problem and, most of all, if complaining directly to HTC is a waste o time that put me as the last one in a row of people condemned to ***** about HTC Desire's memory for the rest of their's life
Sorry for the long rant but I've done my search (at least I've tried, maybe I missed that one topic of revelations) and I want to put all the informations on the table so to not waste more time of yours ^^;;;
Thanks anyway
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HTC Desire, software version: 2.29.405.2, rooted with unrevoked 3.
paulgun said:
I Figure I could get another 100MB internal free by repackaging
a ROM by removing 99% of the install packages
and installing manually from copies from the FAT32 Sdcard after first boot.
This fresh install would push most of the installed files to the A2SD+ ext3 part of the sdcard.
Seems a waste of space having over 100MB flashed on r/o ROM storage,
taking away from internal:
/data/app/*.apk [9 MB]
/system/app/*.apk [98 MB] {HTC* 30MB }
/system/customize/resource/bootanimation.zip [2 MB]
Anyone tried this approach?
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On second thoughts, it appears freeing space in /system,
won't really help /data much, so this would not help:
androidforums.com/desire-all-things-root/220627-faq-apps2sd-2.html#post1952939
sh500 said:
Apps2ext/data2sd (or variants) seems to be the way forward, but as said, there seem to be stability issues at the moment.
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After trying a dozen other things, I'd have to agree...
forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1598676#r2
Hit another wall today...
215+apps ;-)
A small number of apps won't install, even though >1GB internal free
using data2sd method.
talking-santa-free
raging-thunder-2-lite
The logs show it failed due to internal space
Perhaps /cache is too small now ?
im using my own cooked rom, and have atleast 300 apps installed, and i have 58mb free internal storage with 22mb cache partition, 190mb system partition and 222mb data partition
100mb free after 144 apps installed. Have N1table for data partition of 200mb. And app2sd helps a bit. No need for data2ext
Teleported from my brain cells
I've installed about 20mb of apps (fb @ 4.8mb, music app 5mb, rest = 10x<1mb apps w/ no cache usage) yet still only have about 14mb. Somehow I'm missing 100mb ish on a RUU'd Desire. Annoying.
Cirunz said:
65 apps installed, for 55 MB total, and I've got 16MB of free internal storage...
Seriously, I'm reading a lot of thread on this matter and I can't figure out: what's wrong with this phone internal memory?
HTC States 512MB Rom and 576MB RAM (can't put the link here 'cause I'm noob but you can google it), if I'm not wrong the Rom is the apps storage, right?
With DiskUsage I see 147MB of total internal storage memory (a recurrent number, but on the threads I read no one seems to care about the 365MB vanished like fog in the mouring), occupied for a good 90% by apps, cache and data.
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It did not vanish, the 365 mb is used by android system files and other stuff HTC throws into the phone. In theory, we only have 140+ mb to install apps.
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Hey
I'm running CMod 6.0.1 on my rooted HTC Desire (Telus).
All of my apps, with the exception of some few are installed on my 16GB SD card, yet I only have 11MB of internal space remaining? As far as my calculation go, I've only used around 100MB. Does anybody know where my other 400MB went? Why is only so little left?
Thanks in advance
Check the applications for how much data they have (Settings>Applications) I recently had this problem then went to the Browser and found out that it had well over 70mbs data there, which instantly got deleted.
Swyped from my Oxygenated HTC Desire
HTC Desire has a specified internal storage space of 512mb. But only about 146MB is available for installing apps. You can search around the forum for more info.
There are ways to increase your internal storage. The simplest is to create an EXT partition using ROM Mananger or gparted. You will also need to use a rom that has A2SD built in.
So the next time you download apps, your apps will be installed on your ext partition. Well most of it. Some apps will still take up internal space.
friedkimchi said:
There are ways to increase your internal storage. The simplest is to create an EXT partition using ROM Mananger or gparted. You will also need to use a rom that has A2SD built in.
So the next time you download apps, your apps will be installed on your ext partition. Well most of it. Some apps will still take up internal space.
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This ^
Or modify the rom before flashing. Remove unwanted apps and replace them with apps that take huge amounts of user-space and rarely is updated (ie google maps and such).
In most roms ive tried its a simple process of delete/drag-drop into the rar-file...and then flash without sign verification.
Got about 100mb free with programs i use installed, and still have ~120mb left on the system-part if i find any new must-have-by-default-app.
But do a nandroid backup before starting if you choose this way, to be able to restore a messup and to see how much space your system.img(?) takes. This to know how much space you have left to put apps on.
hey everyone
i have rooted my phone and installed cyanongen mod7, the fact is that i followed the noobprrof tutorial, and as he stated i partitioned my sd card, i left 1 gb ( its a 4gb memory now its divided to 3 and 1 ), but i didnt know where did it go and why i did partition my sd card, i thought it would add up to internal memory but it didnt...
please can anyone tell me whats the purpose of paritioning it ?? and how can i let apps get installed on this paritioned part if its purpose is so...
thanks in advance
It's for a2sd, it doesn't add up in internal memory, if you want to check if it's there download quick sytem info from the market, it's purpose is to store apps on your sd(mainly, there's always some data left.) for example when i had stock 2.2 froyo on my desire non rooted, i couldn't have more than 165-170 apps, now i have 379 and ext is also for the rom itself, like a sense rom doesn't fit totally on the system partion, so the part which doesn't fit is on your sd
Hope you understand it
thank u, i actually understood wut ur saying
for instance, i have downloaded games and stuff, now the phone says that the phonememory is on low storage, i still have like 30 mb... i tend to move apps from phone to sd card...
incase all internal memory is used will it conitinue installing on the 1gb i have paritioned... and is it just a notification that doesnt effect anything...
i also would like to ask if i can i can automatically download & install the apps from the market on the sd card...
thanks again
ps: i checked the system info and yes it is there... a2sd 0.96gb and 0.9gb free
It's not just like that
If you install an app for instance google earth, it's around 24mb, 300-400kb will stay on your phone and the rest will go to that partition automatically, although some apps like this iBeer i installed is fully on sd, it depends, but if you're low on memory just move some apps manually to your sd(this doesn't make them move to the ext but fat32 partition(the part that windows can see). If you just insert a SD and applt android's app2sd not a lot of the app will go to the sd, on the other hand the a2sd implied in rom's doesn't give you limitless place till you sd is full. If you want that apply data2sd, that adds to the internal memory as you thought
the max apps you can put on your desire with a2sd is max 400 i think, as i can't move any app manually to sd, and i have 35mb left with 379 apps
hope u understand it even better now
ok i did move the apps 2 sdcard, but they are moved to the 3gb partition and not the 1gb partition which i cant see, i only want to know what is the purpose of this 1gb that i made due to the tutorial... since i cant move apps to it or even put files on via usb ( as music and stuff )... then why is it created... ??
ps : the 1 gb is ext4 the 3gb is the fat32
i really wish there was some thread explaining all , maybe i would have let ur life easier hehe, im sory but im new on android...
thanks again
What did you use to create the 1gb partition? Did you use something like mini partition .. under windows?
I had a hell of a time trying to get it to work this way (if you did) the solution i found was to get the gparted live cd (google it) and run the partitioning wizard on that and the auto apps2sd will work.
The point of doing it is that some roms need more space than the desire has, I'm using insert coin and it needs a proparly formatted ext3 to work to fit the whole rom onto the phone.
Have you checked using quick system info to see if the a2sd storage is being recognised?
hey amriving
actually i did divide my sd card with gparted, everythings going great, but the fact that i cant use the 1000 mb ext2 partition (app2sd) is wut im asking about... (total of 4gb memory)
i mean when i move the apps to sd card they go to the 3gb fat32 space i have, and not the 1gb i partitioned...
so what i want to know is what is the purpose of this (app2sd) 1gb ext2 partition, how can i use it
i checked the system info and i found that there is 0.96gb of the app2sd partition and there is free 0.9 gb,
i have cyanogen mod7 rom
and thanks for the reply
Don't move it to sd, i think you didn't understood me, it does it automatically, just install a app, look at it's size, then delete it, you'll see that not that size went away from your memory but much less
You can't use it through windows, only if you have linux you'll be able to see inside the ext also with root explorer( go to recovery and then mounts then press mount EXT )
And they go to the 1GB partition. There will be an android.secure in your sd with apps, but if it wouldn't work, i wouldn't have 55mb android.secure with 390 apps now! and just 100mb free on 1.4GB ext, Just don't question this anymore, download 100 apps, you'll see it very well then if you don't then you obviously have a problem
thanks everyone
android.secure is on 3gb fat32 not the 1 gb ext...
i also went to recovery its on mount sd ext...
guys what i want to know is why when moving the apps to sdcard, they are going to 3gb fat32 partition instead of 1gb ext4 partition...
is nt it supposed to go to 1gb ext4 partition ?! which is the reason every android user is doing for ... ?
i have checked the ap2sd and yes it is there
android.secure file is in 3gb partition not the 1gb ext4 partition
No no you didn't understand me, look normally with 160 apps would your phone memory be full, and your android.secure(on the 3gb partition) be large, now it shouldn't be very big anymore, because for example city story is 23mb, 1mb on phone memory and 22 on ext. normally this would be 5-10 mb on phone memory and remainder on the 3gb(fat32 partition) now this is most of the times divided over the 3 or just in ext and phone memory, and the main reason is a lot of the app goes on the ext
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F*S Even i, a noob understood it 3 times allready..
btw this answers my final question here
listen(more like read), i'll try to resimplify the answer for you, think of an android app as a windows app.
a windows app is Commonly installed in 3 - yes THREE seprate location at once!
1. Main Program Files - C:\program files\<APP NAME HERE>
this contains all the app's inner working, modules, GUI, sound, pictures and stuff - most of the app is located here so this folder is 'heavy'
2. appdata - C:\Users\<USER NAME HERE>\appdata\<Local \ Roaming>\<APP NAME HERE>
this may contain any setting, saves, projects, and temp files for the app to use.
so only some parts make it here - litewight but still takes up space..
3. Registry - run>regedit.exe
this is sort of a log file for all windows operation, installaions, apps location and sometimes even app settings
again litewight but takes place..
SAME WITH ANDROID - sort of..
an android app contains Resource Data - like program files, the 'exeutable', settings, modules, critical data for the exeutable and more..
and so when you use the traditional APPS2SD that comes Froyo+ ( settings>apps>google earth>move to SD/PHONE )
all the non-critical data and resources move to the SD fat32 patition.
all the remaining critical data, 'exeutable' and stuff remain on the internal memory which still takes up valuable internal space, that's where a2sd+ comes in, as mentioned before, a2sd+ again moves to rest of the remaining appdata to the ext, and only tiny critical part of the app remains on the internal memory - therefor you get to install many apps until you internal memory fills up or the ext fills up, this time only the absolute critical app files that cant be moved to the ext OR the fat32..
as TopGear63z said:
most of the times divided over the 3 or just in ext and phone memory, and the main reason is a lot of the app goes on the ext
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data2sd extends your internal storage..
a2sd+ lets you install more aps
EXPERTS: Please verify my answer as i am also a noob and this is my understanding on the subject, i maybe very wrong or very right
PS: Why double post
thankyou asaf400
actually i know all this and i really appreciate ur reply
but wut i wanted is to install apps on ext, and actually i found it i downloaded simple2ext app and now i have 150mb free internal memory, see now all apps are on ext part of the memory card... this is what i wanted to know...
thanks all
or you could just flash a data2sd based custom rom like droidzone's starburst or gingerburst... you'll get upto 2gb of internal memory from the start
Ok, i have just finished re-installing all my apps after flashing AceSMod007-3D, the first A2SD+ ROM i have used, and i am already running out of space. I have noticed that any "phone only" apps i download seem to be placed on the internal memory whilst anything movable seems to be placed on the EXT partition and doesn't decrease internal space at all. Is this how A2SD+ is supposed to work? Is my only option to free up more space to delete some of my phone only apps?
I've just rooted and installed AceSMod007 (v33) and im also confused by what goes to SD-Ext4 vs Internal... so far it is hitting Internal, although one app does have the SEND 2 SD option but not sure if that means to the FAT32 or Ext4 partition.
so well confused so far... im holding off customising the phone until i have a better idea.
Open titanium backup, it should show u system memory, internal memory, sd-ext memory and sd card memory..If the app2sd is working u should see that sd-ext is not empty
Leave away the SEND 2 SD option..this is the android stock move to sd, not the app2sd
Its definitely sending apps that were already movable to the EXT partition, but i was under the impression that A2SD+ meant that apps that previously weren't movable would now be able to be spread over the EXT partition as well. If all it does is send the movable apps there automatically then its basically the same as stock A2SD, just without the need to move them yourself
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Its definitely sending apps that were already movable to the EXT partition, but i was under the impression that A2SD+ meant that apps that previously weren't movable would now be able to be spread over the EXT partition as well. If all it does is send the movable apps there automatically then its basically the same as stock A2SD, just without the need to move them yourself
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NO, that is the stock move to sd: mean a part of the app can be moved on the sd card fat32 partition, it doesn't allow every app to be moved, and the app is partially on the sd card
The a2sd move every app u install on the ext partition, is not in ur sdcard fat32 partition..it move completely the apk on the ext partition..so the space saved is enough (u will STILL see that the app can be moved on the sd card..but u HAVE to leave it on the internal memory to make the a2sd/a2sd+ fully work)
ok .. but why does the Internal Memory indicate decrease (by megs) if it is installing on EXT. I can see my game is on SD-EXT/APP but Internal went down by 3megs.
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ok .. but why does the Internal Memory indicate decrease (by megs) if it is installing on EXT. I can see my game is on SD-EXT/APP but Internal went down by 3megs.
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The data saved from each app (settings, preferences) is still on the internal memory /data/data so that probably is normal if the games need to save a lot of things
Btw how much is ur free internal memory?
its now 108MB of 148MB, with only Mini Info and HyperJump Installed
Its definitely not just the data. one of the apps i install is 7.5mb and 450kb of data. it decreases the internal space by 7.95mb in total after an install, NONE of the app what so ever is going to the EXT partition, and i suspect there are several other apps doing the same thing
quick system info will show the a2sd size
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its now 108MB of 148MB, with only Mini Info and HyperJump Installed
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then? even if u uninstall hyperjump and mini info, u will see that u will never have 148 mb free!
try installing all of ur apps...u will see that it does't decrease too much
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Its definitely not just the data. one of the apps i install is 7.5mb and 450kb of data. it decreases the internal space by 7.95mb in total after an install, NONE of the app what so ever is going to the EXT partition, and i suspect there are several other apps doing the same thing
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if u install from the market an application, it will be downloaded on ur internal memory..that the space that u see probably
restore all ur apps, and stop looking for a mb more or less..u will have lots of space available..if this is not the case then u did something wrong.
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then? even if u uninstall hyperjump and mini info, u will see that u will never have 148 mb free!
try installing all of ur apps...u will see that it does't decrease too much
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yes.. from a fresh install of the ROM it started with around 111mb free, so yeah you are correct never will get the 148mb back.. but then the Stock Rom DID have 148mb free so that like 37mb lost from the get go.
Its all new to me this apsd+ stuff so i'll start install Apps and see how far i get, on stock i HAD to use Froyo "Send to SD" to get everything installed.
thanks.
kazgor said:
yes.. from a fresh install of the ROM it started with around 111mb free, so yeah you are correct never will get the 148mb back.. but then the Stock Rom DID have 148mb free so that like 37mb lost from the get go.
Its all new to me this apsd+ stuff so i'll start install Apps and see how far i get, on stock i HAD to use Froyo "Send to SD" to get everything installed.
thanks.
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could it be you have a few extra bits thrown in (app wise) with your rom that is taking up extra space?
afaik apps2sd+ you should leave everything on internal
ok this was a good read.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=7458565&postcount=8
it kind of implies that because there a symbolic link from NAND/Apps to sd-ext/apps, the phone thinks apps are still internal so will reduce the freespace indicated in Settings --> SD & Phone Storage
andQlimax said:
if u install from the market an application, it will be downloaded on ur internal memory..that the space that u see probably
restore all ur apps, and stop looking for a mb more or less..u will have lots of space available..if this is not the case then u did something wrong.
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Well obviously something is wrong, as i have installed around 30 apps and i'm already out of internal memory.