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[Q] Confused about my tmobile g2 processor

Friends i found some great games like modern combat, deer hunter etc in another forum, they shows links as snap dragon version then samsung galaxy s and other Cortex processors, desire hd, and xperia version, i am confused which one to download, bcoz specs of g2 shows it has scorpian 800mhz processor with adreno 205 gpu, but in desire z specs it shows it has 800mhz snapdragon processor, so correct game selection for desire z is simple, but which one to choose for tmobile g2?

You choose the same version you choose for the Desire Z, since the Tmobile G2 uses the same Processor and GPU. The chip is the Snapdragon Scorpion, where Scorpion refers to the application processor core. Some people call the CPU Scorpion others Snapdragon, it basically refers to the same thing.

As above, Snapdragon is the package (system on a chip) and Scorpion the core.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)

boost3d23 said:
You choose the same version you choose for the Desire Z, since the Tmobile G2 uses the same Processor and GPU. The chip is the Snapdragon Scorpion, where Scorpion refers to the application processor core. Some people call the CPU Scorpion others Snapdragon, it basically refers to the same thing.
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Thanx a lot for your help, will get snapdragon versions actually I checked the specs of both sets on gsmarena, where they shown scorpion for g2, and snapdragon for desire z that's what made me confused

craiglay said:
As above, Snapdragon is the package (system on a chip) and Scorpion the core.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snapdragon_(system_on_chip)
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thanks mate, I was going to dishearted when I was looking at games and found no word on scorpion processor, nearly sold my g2 bcoz of that now will love to keep it as long as I can

The One S beats the One X ?!

Hey guys, i was shocked when i saw that the benchmarks of the One X showed a slightly worse performance than the One S even though the One X is the one with the Tegra 3 quad-core processor. Is this because the ice cream sandwich is optimized for dual core processors which doesn't show the real power of quad-core? , or is the dual-core Snapdragon S4 better than the quad-core Tegra 3 in the One X?
Here's the engadget review that showed the benchmarks i'm talking about:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/02/htc-one-x-review/
And here's a video comparison between the one X and the one S:

The cpu in the One S is better than the tegra 3, all that lets the one s down is its only qhd resolution or I would have had one myself.

Same here, however I am curious why HTC went with Tegra 3 in the first place.

I just found this comparison between the Snapdragon S4 Krait and NVIDIA Tegra 3.
http://briefmobile.com/htc-one-x-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidia-tegra-3-comparison

I have used the Tegra 3 extensively in the asus transformer prime. Overall I would rate its actual performance better than the qualcomm processors in many areas. Though the qualcomm processor may show higher benchmarks, the tegra 3 will multitask better in reality. You also have to keep in mind that device is running a lower resolution than the one x, so obviously the benchmarks would be better... the gpu wouldnt have to work as hard.. make sense?
Heres the resolution information on the one x and one s
1280 x 720 HD (312ppi) < One X
960 x 540 qHD (256ppi)< One S

But I don't see why we need the tegra3 in a phone what kinda multi tasking are they performing on a phone it makes sense in tablet especially one as advanced as the transformer prime. But why isn't a dual core enough for a phone
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The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.

I know both will have excellent performance, now and in the future. What I want is the screen and the 32GB of the One X. But I also want the battery performance of the One S. Damn. :-\ But with updates I hope HTC can get more of the One X potensial out, performance and battery!!!

420kushking said:
I have used the Tegra 3 extensively in the asus transformer prime. Overall I would rate its actual performance better than the qualcomm processors in many areas. Though the qualcomm processor may show higher benchmarks, the tegra 3 will multitask better in reality. You also have to keep in mind that device is running a lower resolution than the one x, so obviously the benchmarks would be better... the gpu wouldnt have to work as hard.. make sense?
Heres the resolution information on the one x and one s
1280 x 720 HD (312ppi) < One X
960 x 540 qHD (256ppi)< One S
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mzaza said:
The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.
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I think the GPU is on par, what I mean is that GLBenchmark the Tegra 3 result for the two 720p benchmark is 65fps and 88fps and Adreno 225 is 58fps and 102fps.
But on Nenamark 2, Adreno 225 on a 720p screen beats the Tegra 3 on a 720p (54fps vs 48fps).
The CPU is better on the Krait since its architecture is more advance than Tegra's A9. I'd prefer having the Krait CPU in the One X if I could choose. The Krait is easily gonna make the phone a lot smoother since it only has to scale through 'two' CPU's plus the CPU's are faster than Tegra A9's and Tegra 3 needs to scale 4 CPU to be on par with Kraits dual core which can be battery hungry and kill battery life faster where as Krait is built on 28nm which the heat and power is a lot lower.
Of course resolution is also related but if you go and look at Sprints HTC One X version which packs a Dual Core Kraits, it performs a lot smoother or the HTC One XL.

There are couple of thread here that discuss about this please read them ...

mzaza said:
The Tegra 3 IS faster than S4.
It's just that application aren't optimized for quad core processors yet.
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No it's certainly isn't. The S4 runs circles around tegra 3 are you kidding me? The whole fuss about tegra 3 is that it has 4 cores. The S4 gives you 2 cores based on a new architecture that gives you better performance. You don't know what you're talking about.

Both is good. There are areas both will outshine the other. In real life, both is excellent.

Just throwing my two cents....
.....Even my Motorola RAZR is better than the One X at this stage, really, I've ran some benchmarks with a custom kernel on it and the RAZR has beaten the One X without any problem on tasks that aren't CPU intensive.
OMAP4430 is a good chip, with A LOT of multimedia-oriented things in it, like IVA and the SGX530. Ducati does a good job.
Still, remember that Tegra3 is a "Multimedia SoC" with +2 cores and that will make it to score better on CPU intensive tasks even if the device using it is running a not well optimized / bad kernel.
The kernel that is running on the HTC One X is a first release and, while Motorola on their devices makes the kernel to generate stacktraces and faults here and there but still being optimal on performance, HTC prefers not to, giving a bad behavior on performance.
This is good for us developers because they allow us to directly work on clean and stable software, without having to debug various fails by them, so that we can give it the performance it deserves.
It's only a matter of time.
We're waiting for the kernel source to come out.
The EternityProject Team Manager & Main Developer,
--kholk

Desire X or HTC One V better specs for gaming ??

Hi guys i am pretty confused about the new desire x phone release till this time One V was the one for me after extensive research but now am pretty perplexed as to whic h would be better for gaming as well as decent battery(i.e atleast a day on moderate usage).
am pretty unsure as Desire x seems awesome compared to one v but the gpu seems sad
my main requirements are :
720p video playback
casual gaming(temple run,cut the rope,etc) along with ocassional fps(nova,shadowgun)
good battery life as already said(atleast a day)
fast for basic operations eg messaging etc
not really big on multitasking max three apps.
thank you.

All except the gpu is in favor of Desire X. Especially 4 inch screen, dual core and RAM. Battery though touted higher capacity than oneV, real-life usage depends lot on other things since it will have to cater to a powerful processor and bigger screen area. I expect the battery life may be comparable between both and just like the oneV, desireX will give more than a days battery backup for an average user ( i easily get about 2 days on OneV). I cannot tell difference between the GPU though.

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All except the gpu is in favor of Desire X. Especially 4 inch screen, dual core and RAM. Battery though touted higher capacity than oneV, real-life usage depends lot on other things since it will have to cater to a powerful processor and bigger screen area. I expect the battery life may be comparable between both and just like the oneV, desireX will give more than a days battery backup for an average user ( i easily get about 2 days on OneV). I cannot tell difference between the GPU though.
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that the problem for me so am confused as to how the gaming performance may be affected and also the ability of the phone to play hd videos.

Desire X is better than htc one V it has dual core and i think a bit more ram as one v
One V records 720 p videos really good sound and video quality
Desire X can take 800x480p videos but i dont know how the quality of the sound and video is
Every day usage one V is very good up to 2 days
Desire X half to one day
Htc one V is for gaming a little bit laggy but its ok adreno 205
Desire X is better for gaming andreno 200
Gpu from one v is better than desire X
My tipp buy a desire X htc will definitly bring a update to take 720p videos if not the developers are here in the xda forum xdd
Correct me if i said something wrong
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I would wait for a review with benchmarks.
Comparing the two spec wise: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4951&idPhone2=4575
The Desire X has more memory and has a compass and it's dual core.
The One V has better camera (at least on the software side - no 720p video recording) and a better GPU.
Also, the CPU in the X is based on an older ARM spec than the One V, so performance per core is probably lower (but I haven't seen comparative benchmarks yet).

It would be better to wait till the release of desire X, if you can.
Two benefits, one you get to know the exact features - mostly phones differ much from what is leaked out before launch. Video recording and such are software enhancements over capable hardware and may suddenly appear in the retail edition even if not on preview sets. (Recall the big discussions on oneV not having an FM radio!)
Second- you get some serious benchmarks and user inputs as guardianpt pointed out. Better than to feel sorry later, right? So my advice - hold your decision

Thank you
I think i need to delay my decision by a few months i suppose though .
and i thank you all for helping out in this confusion.

dontbelive said:
Desire X is better than htc one V it has dual core and i think a bit more ram as one v
One V records 720 p videos really good sound and video quality
Desire X can take 800x480p videos but i dont know how the quality of the sound and video is
Every day usage one V is very good up to 2 days
Desire X half to one day
Htc one V is for gaming a little bit laggy but its ok adreno 205
Desire X is better for gaming andreno 200
Gpu from one v is better than desire X
My tipp buy a desire X htc will definitly bring a update to take 720p videos if not the developers are here in the xda forum xdd
Correct me if i said something wrong
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Well, anandtech says adreno 203 for the Desire X, and did not have good things to say about it.
One thing I purchased the One V for to replace my Desire was the screen, same size but way brighter and more vivid. This is thanks to the scld versus slcd 2. The Desire X saved on cost by going with the older slcd as opposed to the One V's slcd 2. I will wait for anandtech's review before saying it with authority.......but right now I am willing to bet our One V's screen kills the Desire X.
The screen is the thing you spend 100% of your time looking at on a smartphone (brilliant deduction.....I know!) so I wouldn't want to go with a lessor screen.
Personaly, better build (the One V really is a successor to the legend), better screen, better gpu, I am definately NOT regretting my one V purchase.
Edit: here is a quote from Anandtech:
"it has a 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Play inside. Unlike the Snapdragon S4 SoC we're familiar with, the 28 nanometer model with a pair of 1.5 GHz Krait cores and an Adreno 225 graphics processor, the S4 Play (MSM8x25) is a 45 nanometer SoC that uses a pair of 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 cores and Adreno 203 graphics. Performance wise, ARM says that a Cortex A5 can deliver 1.57 DMIPS/MHz. To put that into some perspective, the Cortex A8 delivers 2.0 DMIPS/MHz, and the Cortex A9 that's inside many of today's devices can pump out 2.50 DMIPS/MHz. Update: The HTC Desire X has shown up in RightWare's Powerboard, confirming MSM8225. Qualcomm's Krait core can do 3.30 DMIPS/MHz, more than double the performance of ARM's Cortex A5."
So, there you have it, 45nm process cortex A5.............this is not the S4 you have been looking for!
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jmitr said:
Well, anandtech says adreno 203 for the Desire X, and did not have good things to say about it.
One thing I purchased the One V for to replace my Desire was the screen, same size but way brighter and more vivid. This is thanks to the scld versus slcd 2. The Desire X saved on cost by going with the older slcd as opposed to the One V's slcd 2. I will wait for anandtech's review before saying it with authority.......but right now I am willing to bet our One V's screen kills the Desire X.
The screen is the thing you spend 100% of your time looking at on a smartphone (brilliant deduction.....I know!) so I wouldn't want to go with a lessor screen.
Personaly, better build (the One V really is a successor to the legend), better screen, better gpu, I am definately NOT regretting my one V purchase.
Edit: here is a quote from Anandtech:
"it has a 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Play inside. Unlike the Snapdragon S4 SoC we're familiar with, the 28 nanometer model with a pair of 1.5 GHz Krait cores and an Adreno 225 graphics processor, the S4 Play (MSM8x25) is a 45 nanometer SoC that uses a pair of 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 cores and Adreno 203 graphics. Performance wise, ARM says that a Cortex A5 can deliver 1.57 DMIPS/MHz. To put that into some perspective, the Cortex A8 delivers 2.0 DMIPS/MHz, and the Cortex A9 that's inside many of today's devices can pump out 2.50 DMIPS/MHz. Update: The HTC Desire X has shown up in RightWare's Powerboard, confirming MSM8225. Qualcomm's Krait core can do 3.30 DMIPS/MHz, more than double the performance of ARM's Cortex A5."
So, there you have it, 45nm process cortex A5.............this is not the S4 you have been looking for!
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all that did was confuse me further yes i have heard about the a5 cortex could you pls put the corresponding one v values along with desire x that might help put things in prospective.

Dark Passenger said:
all that did was confuse me further yes i have heard about the a5 cortex could you pls put the corresponding one v values along with desire x that might help put things in prospective.
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The S2 processor is the scorpion family, and is capable of 2.1 dmips / mhz. This is per clock speed, running at 1.0 ghz.
For example, the G2 uses a scorpion S2 at 800mhz, the dmips would then be 80%, the max speed of the scorpion is 1.4ghz (as found in the lumina 900) so the speed would increase. The S3 and up allowed dual core and upgraded to the adreno 220. The S3 is still scorpion though, so an dual core S3 at 1.4ghz each would be capable of (2.1*1.4*2) or 5.88 dmips
Anandtech is very respected, if they say the Desire X has a crappy underperforming processor.....then it does! It will probably be fine with dual cores and driving the same resolution on a larger screen. For me, I am very happy with my One V purchase. The Desire X makes too many comprimises.
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jmitr said:
The S2 processor is the scorpion family, and is capable of 2.1 dmips / mhz. This is per clock speed, running at 1.0 ghz.
For example, the G2 uses a scorpion S2 at 800mhz, the dmips would then be 80%, the max speed of the scorpion is 1.4ghz (as found in the lumina 900) so the speed would increase. The S3 and up allowed dual core and upgraded to the adreno 220. The S3 is still scorpion though, so an dual core S3 at 1.4ghz each would be capable of (2.1*1.4*2) or 5.88 dmips
Anandtech is very respected, if they say the Desire X has a crappy underperforming processor.....then it does! It will probably be fine with dual cores and driving the same resolution on a larger screen. For me, I am very happy with my One V purchase. The Desire X makes too many comprimises.
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that cleared it up well enough .
since you use a one v can you let me know for graphic intensive fps say any of the popular titles is it lagging .
not big on multitasking so not much there but where do you feel the problems lie like does it feel underpowered or low on ram or anyrhing like that ?

Dark Passenger said:
that cleared it up well enough .
since you use a one v can you let me know for graphic intensive fps say any of the popular titles is it lagging .
not big on multitasking so not much there but where do you feel the problems lie like does it feel underpowered or low on ram or anyrhing like that ?
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I have no problems, but the 2.08 and up update made a huge difference.
My games are basic like Solitaire, and Temple run. I also wath IMBD, etc.....no problems here.
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I would buy desire x, cause one v chin is fugly.
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what about the the htc sensation ???
i lost my v and an lookin for replacement.........
waht do u guys sugesst ?????

Okay, i just get my desire x.
I can play Modern Combat 3, Wild Blood and Dead Trigger from appstore very smooth.
Dont know why people saying gaming is not possible with desire x, they´re lying (sure this issnt TEGRA but very good for this price, trust me!)
just my 5 cents
EDIT: I got Sensation too, Sensation is also Good for gaming but i did not notice any difference between this devices...(performance wise, the desire is a smoother in my opinion)

[Q] Is the Gnex faster than a quad core cortex a7?

Gnex has 1.2ghz dual core cortex a9 ti omap 1gb ram Powervrsgx540, 720p hd display
is the specs of the Gnex better than 1.2ghz quad core cortex a7 mediatek 1gb ram powervrsgx544,720p display

From the benchmark perspective, no it's not. Dual A9's usually equal to quad A7's in CPU power, while SGX544MP1 is obviously superior to SGX540. However, the bloatware those small manufacturers tend to put in those MTK devices will obviously slow the phone down. Words around the internet also say that although MT6589 is a quad A7 CPU, only 2 cores are used per normal task.
I suppose you're gonna buy a device - don't buy MTKs, there's usually no development for them, they may never get future Android upgrades even via flashing (because there's no custom ROM at all), meaning that your phone could be dead on arrival. Personal opinion so feel free to oppose.
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[Q] Is the MediaTek MT6795T in M9+ Better Than SD 810?

What about PowerVR 6200 GPU vs Adreno 430?

A good question!

What's actually inside these processors...
Can't post outside link... Its (8) a53 processors clocked at 2.0ghz w/ powervr 6200
The 810 being (4)a53/(4)a57 big.LITTLE combo.
Long story short geekbench says the mediatek wins in multicore barely, but is smashed in single core, because it's a true octacore, but just a midrange one severely overclocked, with last generations gpu running the blinky flashy show.
this is all based on mt6795 not sure what the (t) means...

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What's actually inside these processors...
Can't post outside link... Its (8) a53 processors clocked at 2.0ghz w/ powervr 6200
The 810 being (4)a53/(4)a57 big.LITTLE combo.
Long story short geekbench says the mediatek wins in multicore barely, but is smashed in single core, because it's a true octacore, but just a midrange one severely overclocked, with last generations gpu running the blinky flashy show.
this is all based on mt6795 not sure what the (t) means...
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So, what does this mean in real world use?

Sharpshooterrr said:
So, what does this mean in real world use?
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Last mediatek proccesors trully provide smoothness, the MTK6795T is just a flashy overclocked MTK6795, yes, it beats the SD810, even the snapdragron 805 beats the 810 in some devices, maybe is because the 810 throttles himself to the oblivion.

MediaTek SOC's are known to have crap embedded security.
Additionally if you think about the ways in which the big.LITTLE architecture works it makes a lot more logical sense than a makeup of 8 cores in a true octa-core setup.

M9+ is out, so we'll see