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guys take a look to chart.Htc OneX is a monster.all small problems will be solved with next OTA Update .
•HTC One X : NVidia Tegra 3 1,5 GHz quadcore
•Galaxy Note : Samsung Exynos 4210 1,4 GHz dualcore
•Galaxy Nexus : Texas Instrument OMAP 4460 1,2 GHz dualcore
•Galaxy S II : Qualcomm Snapdragon APQ 8060 1,5 GHz dualcore
more info :http://www.htc-hub.com/htc/actualites/benchmark-les-samsung-galaxy-impuissants-face-au-htc-one-x/
i see HTC-Hub are back into HTC love, they quickly got over that One S problem didn't they?
apparently this bench is supplied by Nvidia itself and hence i guess we can call it hand picked
ill post it in my mega thread for completion if you don't mind
Are you high?
supendal said:
Are you high?
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who is high? because i said handpicked? they only put it against the galaxy series
I will post new benchmark Sony s and 3 other phones soon.HTC one" is very powerful.minimum 40 percent more powerful than Sony s
That's one of my favorite things about the One X, it's speed. It simply blows away the competition no matter which benchmark software you use. I've had mine a week now and I love it, it is nice to see HTC in the lead again.
it does look awesome with the stunning result. but don't you think the other 3 devices are not the same league as HOX?
THB it's not fair running benchmark with other Dual Core devices. We have Quad Core one of it's kind. Once other manufactures releases Quad Core then we can start the real benchmark tests. Till then we don't need some stupid benchmark to tell we have the fastest device in the world.
JeremyGuan said:
it does look awesome with the stunning result. but don't you think the other 3 devices are not the same league as HOX?
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That's what I thought when I first saw it.
SamStone said:
That's one of my favorite things about the One X, it's speed. It simply blows away the competition no matter which benchmark software you use. I've had mine a week now and I love it, it is nice to see HTC in the lead again.
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the htc one s blows the htc one x mate
jonneymendoza said:
the htc one s blows the htc one x mate
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THIS IS A TOTAL AND COMPLETE IGNORANT COMMENT
we have written, tested,took screenshots and posted links of a billion test, benchmark, article and scientific fact so far
NO THE SNAPDRAGON4 DUAL with ADRENO225 DOES NOT AND WILL NOT BLOW THE ONE X!!!!!! ESPECIALLY IS NOT CAPABLE TO EVEN MATCH THE ONE X @ 720P
do some proper research before you speak!
check the CPU scores in here and shut up! and again the One X is running @ 4x the pixel count! http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-s-benchmarking-war-03221385/
The point is the dual core S4 is extremely close in performance to the quad core T3, while being much more power efficient. I'll take more power per core any day
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hamdir said:
THIS IS A TOTAL AND COMPLETE IGNORANT COMMENT
we have written, tested,took screenshots and posted links of a billion test, benchmark, article and scientific fact so far
NO THE SNAPDRAGON4 DUAL with ADRENO225 DOES NOT AND WILL NOT BLOW THE ONE X!!!!!! ESPECIALLY IS NOT CAPABLE TO EVEN MATCH THE ONE X @ 720P
do some proper research before you speak!
check the CPU scores in here and shut up! and again the One X is running @ 4x the pixel count! http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-s-benchmarking-war-03221385/
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I think you need to do some more research. Yea One S is running less pixels. But in general, Krait is faster. One S is running the slower Krait SoC also, while the One XL or AT&T and Sprint version will be running the MSM8960.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3
You need to take into account, that barely anything uses 4 cores and its more of a marketing ploy by Nvidia. Your looking at 4 cortex A-9 cores at 40-45nm vs 2 28nm Krait cores which are a brand new architecture. Krait is more in line with the (but will be slower) upcoming cortex A-15 which Tegra 4 is supposed to be running on and TI OMAP 5 will be using.
On the other hand, Krait still wiped the floor with Tegra in Linpack Multi-threaded.
Here's One XL benchmarks for supports
http://an.droid-life.com/2012/03/26/att-htc-one-xl-benchmarked-blowing-away-other-phones-already/
In real world usage, Krait will be faster with it newer generation cores vs Tegra 3's older generation. Barely anything will be optimized for 4 cores besides Tegra zone games most likely, but even then.....Krait cores will hold their ground.
The one benchmark that Tegra 3 destroys at is Antutu because it actually uses all 4-cores but isn't a good real representation of real world performance.
GPU-wise, they're about on par.....but this is a CPU thread. The Krait Pro SoC will pack the upgraded adreno GPU
exactly GPU is on par at QHD, at 720p it won't keep up and GPUs on Android are lacking more than CPUs
as for krait pro we r not talking about future announced devices here are we? my response was about One S/XL
and not just Antutu u can see that is the slashgear link I posted
hamdir said:
THIS IS A TOTAL AND COMPLETE IGNORANT COMMENT
we have written, tested,took screenshots and posted links of a billion test, benchmark, article and scientific fact so far
NO THE SNAPDRAGON4 DUAL with ADRENO225 DOES NOT AND WILL NOT BLOW THE ONE X!!!!!! ESPECIALLY IS NOT CAPABLE TO EVEN MATCH THE ONE X @ 720P
do some proper research before you speak!
check the CPU scores in here and shut up! and again the One X is running @ 4x the pixel count! http://www.slashgear.com/htc-one-x-vs-htc-one-s-benchmarking-war-03221385/
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The very link you typed has the one x losing in several benchmarks.
You're completely wrong my friend. Not to mention the fact that all the graphics benchmarks are done offscreen (device native res doesn't matter.)
eallan said:
The very link you typed has the one x losing in several benchmarks.
You're completely wrong my friend. Not to mention the fact that all the graphics benchmarks are done offscreen (device native res doesn't matter.)
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the only test is linpack, did you even look at the numbers? the CPU test on every other is taken by t3 in wide margins including quadrant the s4 only balances with IO scores, gpu benchs done offscreen are stated and in those adreno225 falls down
hamdir said:
exactly GPU is on par at QHD, at 720p it won't keep up and GPUs on Android are lacking more than CPUs
as for krait pro we r not talking about future announced devices here are we? my response was about One S/XL
and not just Antutu u can see that is the slashgear link I posted
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ummmm you really should start doing some more research before sounding like your 100% correct about everything.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3/2
MSM8960 beat Tegra 3 in most GPU benchmarks? And Anandtech even said in the ones where the Resolution isn't the same which is only 1 or 2 of those benchmarks, that the Krait will still be faster than Tegra 3.
Dude your fighting a losing war.......as I said before, Krait is a generational gap compared to Tegra 3.
28nm vs 40-45nm fabrication......last years old Cortex cores vs brand new Krait cores. Tegra 3 is more of a marketing ploy and being "Quad-core". It's still mighty fast, but can't really compare to the newer generation architecture.
As you said....this is CPU
Look at the CPU scores on Quadrant, Krait has more than double the CPU score over Tegra.
pewpewbangbang said:
ummmm you really should start doing some more research before sounding like your 100% correct about everything.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5563/qualcomms-snapdragon-s4-krait-vs-nvidias-tegra-3/2
MSM8960 beat Tegra 3 in most GPU benchmarks? And Anandtech even said in the ones where the Resolution isn't the same which is only 1 or 2 of those benchmarks, that the Krait will still be faster than Tegra 3.
Dude your fighting a losing war.......as I said before, Krait is a generational gap compared to Tegra 3.
28nm vs 40-45nm fabrication......last years old Cortex cores vs brand new Krait cores. Tegra 3 is more of a marketing ploy and being "Quad-core". It's still mighty fast, but can't really compare to the newer generation architecture.
As you said....this is CPU
Look at the CPU scores on Quadrant, Krait has more than double the CPU score over Tegra.
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HTC One X - HTC's New Hero Device! Mega Information Thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24189921&postcount=15
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=24097326&postcount=5
enough research for you?
and in here are you even looking? QUADARANT CPU score is more on the One X and your link your showing MDP performance which is known to be elusive, i'm talking about real world One S vs One X results!
11269 CPU One X vs 8574 CPU for the One S in quadrant, yes IO is making up for it on the s4
I have no doubt in my mind that a quad s4 with adreno 3 will mope the floor with t3 but its not here and the dual s4 matches and can not beat the GPU or multi threading on t3 and hence both r good for HTC fans, one x vs xl, t3 will win but at the cost of less effiecency
TBH, I am not interested in either of them if they can't even match (forget about beating) SGX543MP2 in iPad2/iPhone4S. Even though they are a generation-next compared to that, they still fail by a big margin. nvidia is simply selling them on the basis of brand created from desktop products. Nobody heard about T(1 series), T2 was a dud, I don't have too much hope for T3 either. Let's see how it stakes up when compared against 2012 SoC(s). We will know when Exynos, TI, ST-E (2012 SoCs) are compared against T3. None of them are out yet, but we sure will see them soon.
All around Krait is still better CPU-wise.......less energy, heat, etc...
I'd take 2 newer generation cores any day over 4 old ones, which aren't even being really used.
And yea, with all the competition set to release their flagships and SoC soon.....Tegra 3 is going to get run over.
Will have to wait till Tegra 4 and 4 cortex-A15 as well as supposed Keplar GPU to become a powerhouse. Too much of a marketing ploy right now and being the first "Quad-core"
Hi
Which is better? Tegra3 or Mali 400
I don't know mate, this is what my phone after the update is capable of now.
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Well it will be a race for sure
Mali might be faster (or maybe not), but Tegra 3 definitely better. Because it has better, enhanced games. Developers develop for Tegra. They don't develop for Mali or Adreno.
One guy complained that Shadowgun looks better on my phone than on his iPad3 - I had to explain that I'm running THD version, that we have those Tegra enhanced games. That makes a difference.
Tegra 3 will run all games. Adreno/Mali will require Chainfire3D with plugins to run Tegra games.
Thats my view on that.
The Mali 400 is old now, it`s not what the sg3 is getting surely.
John.
Even if SGS3 will get Mali T-604, I will stick with Tegra 3 for now. Unless I see games dedicated for T-604, and more than just one.
more...
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/20/galaxy-s-iii-leak/
according to this it will have the 400
antipesto93 said:
http://www.engadget.com/2012/04/20/galaxy-s-iii-leak/
according to this it will have the 400
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Didn't notice it mention 400. But if true people would find it disappointing, even that 400 is still serious piece of hardware. Given 720p screen, performance would be worse compared to SGS2.
The Mali's performance is the same as the Tegra 3's in graphics benchmarks I've done on my Note Vs my Prime and my One X (just goes to show how average the Tegra 3 GPU really is I think, no better than something at least 6 months older). Disappointing it's not the upgraded GPU if that is accurate, but doesn't differentiate the products at all.
Tinderbox (UK) said:
The Mali 400 is old now
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Technically, so is Teg3. S4 uses 28nm and the 4212 uses 32nm. Teg3 is two 45nm A9 chips glommed together because Nvidia wanted to be first to market with a next-gen chip. It's the least advanced of any of the three SoCs. From a GPU perspective none of the three really move the ball forward and are just evolutionary vs. revolutionary. If I had to guess best overall performance I’d say 4212, Teg3, and S4 in that order. Because S4 and the 4212 are on smaller dies they’ll be more efficient and handily beat Teg3 at battery life (except maybe at idle).
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BarryH_GEG said:
Technically, so is Teg3. S4 uses 28nm and the 4212 uses 32nm. Teg3 is two 45nm A9 chips glommed together because Nvidia wanted to be first to market with a next-gen chip. It's the least advanced of any of the three SoCs. From a GPU perspective none of the three really move the ball forward and are just evolutionary vs. revolutionary. If I had to guess best overall performance I’d say 4212, Teg3, and S4 in that order. Because S4 and the 4212 are on smaller dies they’ll be more efficient and handily beat Teg3 at battery life (except maybe at idle).
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tegra3 is actually made on the 40nm. nvidia still has tsmc's 40nm process and is migrating towards 28nm with desktop GPUs and will eventually migrate to 28nm with the tegra3+.
i hate how people always say that its a bad thing that apple didn`t upgrade the gpu but fust added more cores or samsung didn`t change the mali 400 gpu. the fact is that the mali and sgx543mp2 were ahead when they were released. now there is actual competition like the adreno 320 and tegra 3/4. a simple overclocked sgx or mali chip is enough to keep up with the competition.
NZtechfreak said:
The Mali's performance is the same as the Tegra 3's in graphics benchmarks I've done on my Note Vs my Prime and my One X (just goes to show how average the Tegra 3 GPU really is I think, no better than something at least 6 months older). Disappointing it's not the upgraded GPU if that is accurate, but doesn't differentiate the products at all.
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Mali 400/450 is a 2nd generation GPU like tegra 2, only 44 millions polygons/sec, My Adreno 205 is 41 millions & The Tegra 3 is 129 millions.
Gameloft games in the end of 2012 will need 100 millions...
The Mali 3rd generation is Mali T-604/640 & Mali say that's it is 500% the performances of previous Mali GPU's :
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t604.php
500% is using quad-core optimised applis (only tegra 3 will have it in less than 2 years) but it's 250% in dual-core...
As Tegra 3 is equal to T-604, Mali 400 is pawned...
-1st gen (Adreno 200, mali 200/300, SGX Power VR 520/530 & tegra 1)
-2nd gen (Adreno 205, Mali 400MP/450MP, SGX Power VR 540/554 & tegra 2)
-3rd gen (Adreno 220/225/320, Mali T604/640, SGX Power VR G 6200/6430 & Tegra 3)
Sekhen said:
Mali 400/450 is a 2nd generation GPU like tegra 2, only 44 millions polygons/sec, My Adreno 205 is 41 millions & The Tegra 3 is 129 millions.
Gameloft games in the end of 2012 will need 100 millions...
The Mali 3rd generation is Mali T-604/640 & Mali say that's it is 500% the performances of previous Mali GPU's :
http://www.arm.com/products/multimedia/mali-graphics-hardware/mali-t604.php
500% is using quad-core optimised applis (only tegra 3 will have it in less than 2 years) but it's 250% in dual-core...
As Tegra 3 is equal to T-604, Mali 400 is pawned...
-1st gen (Adreno 200, mali 200/300, SGX Power VR 520/530 & tegra 1)
-2nd gen (Adreno 205, Mali 400MP/450MP, SGX Power VR 540/554 & tegra 2)
-3rd gen (Adreno 220/225/320, Mali T604/640, SGX Power VR G 6200/6430 & Tegra 3)
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link to your numbers about Tegra 3?
I have not used any device with Mali 400. Sorry mate~~
I think that tegra 3 is better but we have to attend the 3.x kernel to solve the battery problem properly.
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Mali-400 is good and strong and Tegra 3 might not be the fastest one there is, but it's the only one that gets best looking games. On top of that, Tegra 3 Plus is coming soon and then next year another one with direct x and supposed console-like performance. See what Nvidia does for desktops and just hope they keep the pace with mobile GPU and we will get there too. I don't really consider non-tegra device unless it amazes me with noticeably better power efficiency or optimized games start coming out for it.
Would you buy non-nvidia and non-ati graphics card for your pc?
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Mali-400 is good and strong and Tegra 3 might not be the fastest one there is, but it's the only one that gets best looking games. On top of that, Tegra 3 Plus is coming soon and then next year another one with direct x and supposed console-like performance. See what Nvidia does for desktops and just hope they keep the pace with mobile GPU and we will get there too. I don't really consider non-tegra device unless it amazes me with noticeably better power efficiency or optimized games start coming out for it.
Would you buy non-nvidia and non-ati graphics card for your pc?
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Exactly!
Given the choice, I would buy a Tegra device over anything else.
Apparently the One XL will be sold in Europe: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/05/...d-for-europe-arrives-in-stores-in-early-june/
I just ordered an International One X about an hour before reading that.
I decided on the International One X, vs Rogers or AT&T models partly due to the much better potential for ROMs and the larger userbase.
If I had read that article an hour earlier, I likely would have held off on "pushing the purchase trigger" for at least a few more days to see if popularity might shift to the XL.
But for now at least, the One X w/ Tegra3 is more popular with more custom ROM potential.
LTE speeds are not a concern for me. And I have little regard for cores or GPU, just so long as they are "fast enough".
Anyway, for me this is just "another testbench phone" among 12 for testing my app and adding proper Qualcomm FM chip support. And when I go out I just grab whichever phone has the magic grand-fathered SIM chip in it at that time.
mikereidis said:
Apparently the One XL will be sold in Europe: http://www.unwiredview.com/2012/05/...d-for-europe-arrives-in-stores-in-early-june/
I just ordered an International One X about an hour before reading that.
I decided on the International One X, vs Rogers or AT&T models partly due to the much better potential for ROMs and the larger userbase.
If I had read that article an hour earlier, I likely would have held off on "pushing the purchase trigger" for at least a few more days to see if popularity might shift to the XL.
But for now at least, the One X w/ Tegra3 is more popular with more custom ROM potential.
LTE speeds are not a concern for me. And I have little regard for cores or GPU, just so long as they are "fast enough".
Anyway, for me this is just "another testbench phone" among 12 for testing my app and adding proper Qualcomm FM chip support. And when I go out I just grab whichever phone has the magic grand-fathered SIM chip in it at that time.
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One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
hamdir said:
One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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One XL has the aggressive memory management issue...
I doubt the XL will be released here in the UK but I will probably get it imported from Germany or something.
I don't game, so Tegra is a huge turn-off... Bigger process, runs hot, drivers are wonky...
damn, I just got my one x but really wanted the one xl, the one s just feels much faster than the one x, so I think the one xl will perform similarly...
godutch said:
damn, I just got my one x but really wanted the one xl, the one s just feels much faster than the one x, so I think the one xl will perform similarly...
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not nearly it has to deal with 4 times the pixels than the One S
hamdir said:
One XL will mope the floor with the One X in terms of battery
but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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sorry bro you have a good point there but you can't dismiss the power of the quad
just run glowball in 2 cores disabled and the frame rate will fall to the ground
shadowgun and many THD games are actually using the quads
for gaming T3 will always be better
Seems the European One XL will have only 16GB of storage.
While, the Australian version of One XL is mentioned as 32GB
http://www.htc.com/au/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
MrPhilo said:
Your comparing a Tegra GPU at 533Mhz against Adreno 225 at 400Mhz.
Im sure in the future, developers will be able to clock the Adreno higher than 500Mhz and still produce less heat due to the 28nm vs 40nm on Tegra.
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I believe It's actually 333mhz in our One X. Tablets have higher clock speeds for the gpu, not our phone by stock default. Of course we'll be able to OC our One Xs further.
If you're looking for dev support there's not going to be a ton based on fewer XL's being sold. It's an LTE phone and based on the limited amount of LTE deployed in Europe it won't sell nearly as many units as the Teg3 One X. I'd guess it'll also have 16GB of storage like the XL's sold in the rest of the world too.
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Seems the European One XL will have only 16GB of storage.
While, the Australian version of One XL is mentioned as 32GB
http://www.htc.com/au/smartphones/htc-one-xl/#specs
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I think this is a mistake, I went looking for some australian online shops but they al mentioned the xl only had 16GB
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
according to modaco website, s4 versions of hox (excluding att) are handling fastboot boot corectly. that is a plus.
16gb of difference is lame
catachresistant said:
I doubt the XL will be released here in the UK but I will probably get it imported from Germany or something.
I don't game, so Tegra is a huge turn-off... Bigger process, runs hot, drivers are wonky...
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There are some articles saying XL will land in the UK, including one from April 25. But this more recent article says no:
http://www.techradar.com/news/phone...htc-one-xl-unlikely-to-land-in-the-uk-1081899
hamdir said:
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
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16 GB may be true, especially if the hardware is identical to the US/Canada XL. I'd imagine it wouldn't be hard to up the memory spec in a variant though, presuming the S4 can handle more and the One XL was designed for more.
I've seen lots of debate about One X vs One XL, and I think it's debatable. I think each device has it's pluses, and I wouldn't immediately assume 4 or 5 cores are always better than 2.
I bought into the idea that the XL was effectively crippled, and the rest of the world was smart enough to ignore the XL. Now I'm not so sure.
The biggest question to me is if XL popularity will overtake X, especially among ROM developers. I've seen a few comments along the lines of "Europeans who just bought the X will be pissed".
True or not, I don't know, but time will tell.
Apparently the AT&T XL bootloader issue has a solution.
And I think/hope software problem differences between the two will eventually be minimized.
All in all, I think this is good news for XL owners, expanding the userbase and perhaps developer support (?).
For X owners, I'm not sure if it's positive, negative or neutral, but I don't think it's a big swing, unless... Unless developer interest in the XL caused a migration away from X.
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but gizmo-do reported its no match for the One X/tegra3 in terms of gaming and performance @ 720p
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I'll trade a slightly slower gpu any day for a faster cpu, more battery life and a cooler running phone and also 4g. I doubt you'll see any games other than the few tegra 3 optimised games that would run smoothly on the One X but not the One XL.
The australian and german version is mentioned to have 32gb of storage, but will cost an arm and a leg
The 32gb One XL will be the best of the htc phones imo.
Tegra 3 is overrated, especially with the fact that it can't run at its max performance without overheating your phone.
Dev support shouldn't be an issue, all the american versions would have the S4, not to mention the One S around the world and I believe most mid range devices releasing next year would also have the S4. Just discovered the At&t also has supercid now.
Head over to gsmarena evo 4g lte review and you can see in cpu bound single thread test like benchmark pi, the snapdragon s4 is currently the fastest soc available core for core. A score of 270 puts it about 25% faster than tegra3 at the same clock. Floating point is almost 2x as fast. Since hardly any apps load up the second core on a dual core, the benefit of adding another 2 more cores is questionable. I would take the 2 more powerful and energy efficient cores anyday. Now that we have anandtech's reviews of the att one x, its adreno225 gpu has shown to be about equal to the geforce ulp. Gaming is not an issue though as currently most games run fine on adreno 205 which is several times slower than the 225.
The only drawback to the one xl is the gpu flash player performance. It seems incapable of handling 720p flash videos in browser where both mali400 and geforce ulp plays 1080p without a problem.
hamdir said:
The European XL has only 16gb its on HTC's website it also has a plastic camera ring instead if the brushe metal one
its a clearly downgraded version of the One X to be sold at a cheaper price and you guys are debating wether its better
as for GPU shaky already confirmed we have a 533mhz gpu on AP33 its scales down with the CPU clocks @1.4ghz we get it full speed
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In Hong Kong, the XL is actually more expensive then X...
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Tegra3 is a beast im sorry, in my mega thread i was the most skeptical and most worried
and now I am amazed to the floor with what this chip-set can do, like many said its the main highlight of the device
software issues with OnDemand governor has nothing to do with the processor abilities
root your device and control it and you will see how amazing it is
as for THD games they are not few, they are releasing them non stop and seriously one look into s4e2 and your mind boggles, this is PS3 quality on a mobile phone!
those who like to game, and i mean real games, not stupid phone games like angry birds, will miss out if they dismiss Tegra3
being a hardcore game seriously for the first time since i ever owned a smartphone i'm actually playing games on it
in HK XL is more expensive? most likely due to the shortage in s4 supply
but seriously its simple, if you are gonna cry about battery life and slight heat when pushed to the limits that was confirmed to be OK by the device maker (and still much lesser than iPad3) then by all means don't get the Tegra version
if you realise heat is not the end of the world, understand its due to a quad core built on a larger process, your daily lifestyle has access to recharging more often and most important KNOW HOW TO JUST ENJOY! than Tegra One X is unmatched
every reviewer complaint about the XL performance that it performs slower than the One S, all the devices i owned before were qualcomm and to be perfectly honest i say good riddance!
video decoding issues are never ending with Qual CPUs not to mention they are unmatched to Nvidia's app developers support
biggest surprise? Nvidia continuous updates to their Tegra3 Kernel source, our kernel devs like Franco keep on porting to our One X
Hi guys i am pretty confused about the new desire x phone release till this time One V was the one for me after extensive research but now am pretty perplexed as to whic h would be better for gaming as well as decent battery(i.e atleast a day on moderate usage).
am pretty unsure as Desire x seems awesome compared to one v but the gpu seems sad
my main requirements are :
720p video playback
casual gaming(temple run,cut the rope,etc) along with ocassional fps(nova,shadowgun)
good battery life as already said(atleast a day)
fast for basic operations eg messaging etc
not really big on multitasking max three apps.
thank you.
All except the gpu is in favor of Desire X. Especially 4 inch screen, dual core and RAM. Battery though touted higher capacity than oneV, real-life usage depends lot on other things since it will have to cater to a powerful processor and bigger screen area. I expect the battery life may be comparable between both and just like the oneV, desireX will give more than a days battery backup for an average user ( i easily get about 2 days on OneV). I cannot tell difference between the GPU though.
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All except the gpu is in favor of Desire X. Especially 4 inch screen, dual core and RAM. Battery though touted higher capacity than oneV, real-life usage depends lot on other things since it will have to cater to a powerful processor and bigger screen area. I expect the battery life may be comparable between both and just like the oneV, desireX will give more than a days battery backup for an average user ( i easily get about 2 days on OneV). I cannot tell difference between the GPU though.
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that the problem for me so am confused as to how the gaming performance may be affected and also the ability of the phone to play hd videos.
Desire X is better than htc one V it has dual core and i think a bit more ram as one v
One V records 720 p videos really good sound and video quality
Desire X can take 800x480p videos but i dont know how the quality of the sound and video is
Every day usage one V is very good up to 2 days
Desire X half to one day
Htc one V is for gaming a little bit laggy but its ok adreno 205
Desire X is better for gaming andreno 200
Gpu from one v is better than desire X
My tipp buy a desire X htc will definitly bring a update to take 720p videos if not the developers are here in the xda forum xdd
Correct me if i said something wrong
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I would wait for a review with benchmarks.
Comparing the two spec wise: http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4951&idPhone2=4575
The Desire X has more memory and has a compass and it's dual core.
The One V has better camera (at least on the software side - no 720p video recording) and a better GPU.
Also, the CPU in the X is based on an older ARM spec than the One V, so performance per core is probably lower (but I haven't seen comparative benchmarks yet).
It would be better to wait till the release of desire X, if you can.
Two benefits, one you get to know the exact features - mostly phones differ much from what is leaked out before launch. Video recording and such are software enhancements over capable hardware and may suddenly appear in the retail edition even if not on preview sets. (Recall the big discussions on oneV not having an FM radio!)
Second- you get some serious benchmarks and user inputs as guardianpt pointed out. Better than to feel sorry later, right? So my advice - hold your decision
Thank you
I think i need to delay my decision by a few months i suppose though .
and i thank you all for helping out in this confusion.
dontbelive said:
Desire X is better than htc one V it has dual core and i think a bit more ram as one v
One V records 720 p videos really good sound and video quality
Desire X can take 800x480p videos but i dont know how the quality of the sound and video is
Every day usage one V is very good up to 2 days
Desire X half to one day
Htc one V is for gaming a little bit laggy but its ok adreno 205
Desire X is better for gaming andreno 200
Gpu from one v is better than desire X
My tipp buy a desire X htc will definitly bring a update to take 720p videos if not the developers are here in the xda forum xdd
Correct me if i said something wrong
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Well, anandtech says adreno 203 for the Desire X, and did not have good things to say about it.
One thing I purchased the One V for to replace my Desire was the screen, same size but way brighter and more vivid. This is thanks to the scld versus slcd 2. The Desire X saved on cost by going with the older slcd as opposed to the One V's slcd 2. I will wait for anandtech's review before saying it with authority.......but right now I am willing to bet our One V's screen kills the Desire X.
The screen is the thing you spend 100% of your time looking at on a smartphone (brilliant deduction.....I know!) so I wouldn't want to go with a lessor screen.
Personaly, better build (the One V really is a successor to the legend), better screen, better gpu, I am definately NOT regretting my one V purchase.
Edit: here is a quote from Anandtech:
"it has a 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Play inside. Unlike the Snapdragon S4 SoC we're familiar with, the 28 nanometer model with a pair of 1.5 GHz Krait cores and an Adreno 225 graphics processor, the S4 Play (MSM8x25) is a 45 nanometer SoC that uses a pair of 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 cores and Adreno 203 graphics. Performance wise, ARM says that a Cortex A5 can deliver 1.57 DMIPS/MHz. To put that into some perspective, the Cortex A8 delivers 2.0 DMIPS/MHz, and the Cortex A9 that's inside many of today's devices can pump out 2.50 DMIPS/MHz. Update: The HTC Desire X has shown up in RightWare's Powerboard, confirming MSM8225. Qualcomm's Krait core can do 3.30 DMIPS/MHz, more than double the performance of ARM's Cortex A5."
So, there you have it, 45nm process cortex A5.............this is not the S4 you have been looking for!
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jmitr said:
Well, anandtech says adreno 203 for the Desire X, and did not have good things to say about it.
One thing I purchased the One V for to replace my Desire was the screen, same size but way brighter and more vivid. This is thanks to the scld versus slcd 2. The Desire X saved on cost by going with the older slcd as opposed to the One V's slcd 2. I will wait for anandtech's review before saying it with authority.......but right now I am willing to bet our One V's screen kills the Desire X.
The screen is the thing you spend 100% of your time looking at on a smartphone (brilliant deduction.....I know!) so I wouldn't want to go with a lessor screen.
Personaly, better build (the One V really is a successor to the legend), better screen, better gpu, I am definately NOT regretting my one V purchase.
Edit: here is a quote from Anandtech:
"it has a 1 GHz Qualcomm Snapdragon S4 Play inside. Unlike the Snapdragon S4 SoC we're familiar with, the 28 nanometer model with a pair of 1.5 GHz Krait cores and an Adreno 225 graphics processor, the S4 Play (MSM8x25) is a 45 nanometer SoC that uses a pair of 1 GHz ARM Cortex A5 cores and Adreno 203 graphics. Performance wise, ARM says that a Cortex A5 can deliver 1.57 DMIPS/MHz. To put that into some perspective, the Cortex A8 delivers 2.0 DMIPS/MHz, and the Cortex A9 that's inside many of today's devices can pump out 2.50 DMIPS/MHz. Update: The HTC Desire X has shown up in RightWare's Powerboard, confirming MSM8225. Qualcomm's Krait core can do 3.30 DMIPS/MHz, more than double the performance of ARM's Cortex A5."
So, there you have it, 45nm process cortex A5.............this is not the S4 you have been looking for!
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all that did was confuse me further yes i have heard about the a5 cortex could you pls put the corresponding one v values along with desire x that might help put things in prospective.
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all that did was confuse me further yes i have heard about the a5 cortex could you pls put the corresponding one v values along with desire x that might help put things in prospective.
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The S2 processor is the scorpion family, and is capable of 2.1 dmips / mhz. This is per clock speed, running at 1.0 ghz.
For example, the G2 uses a scorpion S2 at 800mhz, the dmips would then be 80%, the max speed of the scorpion is 1.4ghz (as found in the lumina 900) so the speed would increase. The S3 and up allowed dual core and upgraded to the adreno 220. The S3 is still scorpion though, so an dual core S3 at 1.4ghz each would be capable of (2.1*1.4*2) or 5.88 dmips
Anandtech is very respected, if they say the Desire X has a crappy underperforming processor.....then it does! It will probably be fine with dual cores and driving the same resolution on a larger screen. For me, I am very happy with my One V purchase. The Desire X makes too many comprimises.
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The S2 processor is the scorpion family, and is capable of 2.1 dmips / mhz. This is per clock speed, running at 1.0 ghz.
For example, the G2 uses a scorpion S2 at 800mhz, the dmips would then be 80%, the max speed of the scorpion is 1.4ghz (as found in the lumina 900) so the speed would increase. The S3 and up allowed dual core and upgraded to the adreno 220. The S3 is still scorpion though, so an dual core S3 at 1.4ghz each would be capable of (2.1*1.4*2) or 5.88 dmips
Anandtech is very respected, if they say the Desire X has a crappy underperforming processor.....then it does! It will probably be fine with dual cores and driving the same resolution on a larger screen. For me, I am very happy with my One V purchase. The Desire X makes too many comprimises.
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that cleared it up well enough .
since you use a one v can you let me know for graphic intensive fps say any of the popular titles is it lagging .
not big on multitasking so not much there but where do you feel the problems lie like does it feel underpowered or low on ram or anyrhing like that ?
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that cleared it up well enough .
since you use a one v can you let me know for graphic intensive fps say any of the popular titles is it lagging .
not big on multitasking so not much there but where do you feel the problems lie like does it feel underpowered or low on ram or anyrhing like that ?
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I have no problems, but the 2.08 and up update made a huge difference.
My games are basic like Solitaire, and Temple run. I also wath IMBD, etc.....no problems here.
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I would buy desire x, cause one v chin is fugly.
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what about the the htc sensation ???
i lost my v and an lookin for replacement.........
waht do u guys sugesst ?????
Okay, i just get my desire x.
I can play Modern Combat 3, Wild Blood and Dead Trigger from appstore very smooth.
Dont know why people saying gaming is not possible with desire x, they´re lying (sure this issnt TEGRA but very good for this price, trust me!)
just my 5 cents
EDIT: I got Sensation too, Sensation is also Good for gaming but i did not notice any difference between this devices...(performance wise, the desire is a smoother in my opinion)
i really wanna know:
i got 1,5 ghz processor + Graphic Card (4+1)
i got design
i got beats
i got sense
S3 got:
1,4 ghz processor
Amoled...
Touchwiz
Battery ( 2200 mAh) with low energy usage Cpu
İ see benchmark points pass the S3 when JB comes
5 min ago i installed geekbench 2
my phone get 1300 benchmark points (power saving off) but s3 got 1700 -.-
its one of most important thing for me: HAVE BETTER PROCESSOR THEN S3
can anyone explain to me HOX have better cpu or not?
and what about iphone 5? is it beat hox too? with dual core??
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The HOX and S3 are basically on a par with each other. However the S3 just edges out the HOX for a few different reasons. First, most software needs further optimising for Tegra devices and secondly because the S3 doesn't have the S-On/S-Off problem.
It's worth noting that the HOX is closer in terms of following Google's phone design guidelines (no menu button) and also that the screen is better.
The Tegra3 version of HOX has a slower CPU than it's dual core version.
It's like comparing a Q8200 with a E8600 and then run dual core optimized programs.
Hmmm thx for explain
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Bassicaly there isnt much of a big difference.. Exynos is a bit faster(effective)than tegra 3.. So s3 has worse screen while htc has better.. S3 has amoled display while htc has only lcd display.. But they r kinda same.. Used both phone sense is good but still wud go for touchwiz.. Lack of toggles in notification menu rly bugs me.. (There r no official htc toggles there r just play stores one)..It is just my opinion
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I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
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I have the One X but I think the S3 is better overall
The S3 has a faster processor, smoother gaming and UI, better quality camera, touchwiz features (pop up play, multi-window, smart rotation) and most importantly a great XDA thread
However the HOX does have a much better (& sturdier) design, better screen, THD games support, Beats audio
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Regarding to beats.. Ok so when the driver is on the sound is just amazing it blows any other phone when it comes to that..But,but,but i think that they demolished sound when u play music without beats drivers just so u can say that the difference is sooo big.. And it is a good marketing trick gotta admit that.
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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The amount of stupidity in this thread is unbelievable...
The S3 beats the Tegra 3 even though it has a slightly slower clock speed for a few reasons, mainly because the Exynos chip in the S3 is a 32nm chip as compared to the Tegra 3's 40nm process, so the Exynos is somewhat more efficient due to the smaller process. Also, blame Nvidia for crappy software optimisation. Furthermore, the Mali 400 chip in the S3 is far more powerful than the puny Tegra 3 ULP Geforce chip. Don't say more cores = more power, that is not true. Besides, the S4 in the HOXL is more powerful than the Tegra 3 because the S4 has the Cortex A15 architecture which gives about 40% more processing power per core against the Cortex A9. The comparison of a dual core CPU and a quad core CPU using a dual core optimised software I saw somewhere above in this thread means nothing in ARM terms. The Cortex A9 (for example Tegra 3) uses all 4 cores and loses against the Snapdragon S4, say the MSM8960 which the HOXL has.
All other discussions about S3 and HOX w.r.t. features (touchwiz is a feature?!) should be reserved for other threads.
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The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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XxVcVxX said:
The amount of stupidity in this is ridiculous.
Snapdragon S4 doesn't use Cortex A15, it uses Krait cores.
Furthermore, the S4 beats Tegra 3 because at the time benchmark reviews came out, most of them were optimized for dual core, the T3 beats S4 in terms of raw power, of course software will do its part.
Mali-400 doesn't really beat the GeForce. Its running in 16 bit mode, and its vertex limited. Sure it has a good fillrate, but it cannot rim vertex heavy games.
GeForce ULP runs in 32 bit, and is pixel limited, which basically means its a draw, but when you factor in THD games, GeForce wins.
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I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement. What architecture does Krait use, I wonder.
As for S4 not beating Tegra, S4 came out *after* Tegra 3. You'd think benchmarks would be optimised for quad cores before they became optimised for Cortex A15.
As for the last one, you forgot that ULP Geforce is not superscalar. The GPU cores have to wait for the first instruction to complete before the next one can process, making the process slow as hell. Mali is far more powerful than Tegra (just look at benchmarks), because the GPU cores are far beefier than the Tegra GPU cores, and also because ULP Geforce is based on Fermi cores which are a bit old and slow at this point.
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I facepalmed. Especially at the very first statement.
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Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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XxVcVxX said:
Read on Wikipedia more. Krait isn't Cortex A15.
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Its A15 plus Qualcomm enhancements...
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Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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XxVcVxX said:
Krait is a custom architecture made by Qualcomm. Its similar to A15, but its not A15, and performance sits between A9 and A15, bit its more power efficient than A15.
Its like Scorpion, where the performance was between A8 and A9.
As for GeForce ULP running with Fermi, you're wrong. Its definitely not Fermi since it still has seperate vertex and pixel cores, so its even before GT200.
Mali-400 is old, and its not beefier than GeForce. Samsung made it up to par by overclocking extensively and forcing 16 bit rendering on the thing. It ****s on GeForce on pixel fill rate, but GeForce ****s on it on vertex output, so its kinda a draw.
Most games run smoother on Mali because most applications on Play Store is optimized for the biggest phone company : Samsung. You can see how Gameloft downright ignored Tegra.
EDIT: The ULP is using NV47
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To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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To use slightly crude terms, Qualcomm licensed A15 from ARM, then beat it with sticks until it became more optimised. Qualcomm has a slightly different license from ARM which allows them to take the design by ARM, beat it into shape then sell it.
As for Fermi in Tegra, I was mistaken. I didn't refer to anything, and my offhand memory sucks.
For Mali vs Tegra, refer to this: http://m.gsmarena.com/snapdragon_s4_pro_benchmarked_crushes_older_chipsets-news-4563.php. Look at the benchmark list, particularly GLbenchmark offscreen since its the most relevant.
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Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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XxVcVxX is right.. we have discuss about this in hamdir thread for a long time and if s3 is running 32bit like us.. it just the same as ours..
BTW.. both phone have pros and cons.. so just choose any we,you,he or her like..
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Its offscreen test, as I have stated before, GeForce is pixel limited, at HD resolutions, it becomes less than Mali, however remember Mali is running at 16 bit.
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In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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In offscreen 720p, Mali still (overall) eats Tegra, although what you said is correct, which makes me wrong. Therefore, I accept defeat and bestow my RD status to you
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Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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Lol wut.
I accept this honor, and I thank my friends and family for supporting me, and most of all, I thank pandaball for arguing with me XDXD
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But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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But seriously, thanks. I learnt something, although losing to a stranger in an argument online on my birthday is totally the best way to start my year
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Hell, if I knew you were RD I wouldn't be so aggressive xD
Damned mobile app.
Happy Birthday
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