Just askin if this forum covers the t999L
Is every thing the same/compatible roms etc....
I did root it the same way I did my old t999
So I'm assuming so...
Anything I should know that's diff about the t999Lte version.
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Yes
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lojak29 said:
Just askin if this forum covers the t999L
Is every thing the same/compatible roms etc....
I did root it the same way I did my old t999
So I'm assuming so...
Anything I should know that's diff about the t999Lte version.
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Don't flash T999(v) firmware. This includes baseband. Only ROMs and recoveries for you.
And kernels.
And if you scroll down there's a thread you might wsnt to look at a few below this.
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And kernels.
And if you scroll down there's a thread you might wsnt to look at a few below this.
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Yes i saw thread after i posted this I read it my fault. ..
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And kernels.
And if you scroll down there's a thread you might wsnt to look at a few below this.
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Is it gonna get to a point where the t999l will have dedicated roms or sub forum
Or is it gonna be left as a work around whereas every t999l user is gonnna have to safely figure every do and don't out the hard way, lol just curious
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And kernels.
And if you scroll down there's a thread you might wsnt to look at a few below this.
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When u say t999 firmware you mean stock Odin tar? Not t999 roms?
I'm mainly a 1-2 kind of rom user.
I would like to ask upfront can I flash eveilart wicked v10 which last update was still 4.1.1 base... thTs the rom I wanna use in the t999L
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Yes i saw thread after i posted this I read it my fault. ..
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No big deal. It happens.
lojak29 said:
Is it gonna get to a point where the t999l will have dedicated roms or sub forum
Or is it gonna be left as a work around whereas every t999l user is gonnna have to safely figure every do and don't out the hard way, lol just curious
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No it will not get its own sub forum. It will be like the T999V where there's really not a lot to worry about as long as you stay away from the rest of the firmware.
Roms, recoveries, and kernels only!
Things will get simpler as time passes. And we will see some roms based off the T999L, but I wouldn't expect many.
lojak29 said:
When u say t999 firmware you mean stock Odin tar? Not t999 roms?
I'm mainly a 1-2 kind of rom user.
I would like to ask upfront can I flash eveilart wicked v10 which last update was still 4.1.1 base... thTs the rom I wanna use in the t999L
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Correct. I call roms, roms. And Firmware can be any combo that includes other partitions to be flashed.
Wicked should be fine. I am assuming that an ICS rom will eork, but don't know for sure. Nandroid your current to be safe. You will also need to flash an ICS kernel. Pretty sure any of the ones I've got listed in the other thead won't work.
I am interested in how this goes so please report back. And ill answer aby questions I can about it as well.
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No big deal. It happens.
No it will not get its own sub forum. It will be like the T999V where there's really not a lot to worry about as long as you stay away from the rest of the firmware.
Roms, recoveries, and kernels only!
Things will get simpler as time passes. And we will see some roms based off the T999L, but I wouldn't expect many.
Correct. I call roms, roms. And Firmware can be any combo that includes other partitions to be flashed.
Wicked should be fine. I am assuming that an ICS rom will eork, but don't know for sure. Nandroid your current to be safe. You will also need to flash an ICS kernel. Pretty sure any of the ones I've got listed in the other thead won't work.
I am interested in how this goes so please report back. And ill answer aby questions I can about it as well.
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Well the v10 is actually a jb 4.1.1 build not ics... but its aroma installer so your forced to pick stock or deviant kernel during the install which may cause to fail not giving me option to flash your uvuamb7 kernel after the install if it fails during the aroma install... see this is what confuses me, I'm no noob but I also don't wanna Brick or Bork this new phone. ...
Should I avoid aroma installed roms?
And how do I know if I Should flash the uvuamb7 or uvdmd5 kernel after a rom flash which goes for which??
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lojak29 said:
Well the v10 is actually a jb 4.1.1 build not ics... but its aroma installer so your forced to pick stock or deviant kernel during the install which may cause to fail not giving me option to flash your uvuamb7 kernel after the install if it fails during the aroma install... see this is what confuses me, I'm no noob but I also don't wanna Brick or Bork this new phone. ...
Should I avoid aroma installed roms?
And how do I know if I Should flash the uvuamb7 or uvdmd5 kernel after a rom flash which goes for which??
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Lol! Oops! Been a bit since I've thought about 4.1.1. Sorry bout that.
Pick whichever kernel you prefer from aroma. As I said in the other thread if the rom includes a kernel, you don't need to worry about it.
In the event you do flash one without, you can use either of the kernels. They both work.
Was something not clear in my thread? Was pretty sure I had that covered.
And lets have further questions there if you don't mind. Best to keep the info together.
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UPDATE:
wicked v10 is stable on t999L
I had to flash the uvamb7 kernel+ modules
Initially core apps such as camera would fclose
Heres a screenshot showing 4.1.1 wicked v10 as a t999 device on my actual t999L
With baseband uvamb7
This is just for reference:thumbup:
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Just curious, did you try the 4.1.1 version?
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Just curious, did you try the 4.1.1 version?
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Well yes thats the latest build v10 and my illustration shows 4.1.1
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Confirmed here as well. Went way of CWM.
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Hey guys, I'm new to Android, and I plan to root. I have a few questions. First of all, can I root on a Mac? I heard Heimdall works, but I'm not so sure. When I flash Roms, how does that work? Do they update? I plan on getting CM10, and what does the nightly stuff mean? Any suggestions on good Roms? I just need some help here guys, sorry if I sound really stupid. I came from an iPhone.
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OK first of all you'll just have to try different roms out to see which one suites your needs and likes and search the forum for questions the search bar will answer all you questions. Me personally I used YouTube a lot to get info about ROMs and flashing and rooting how to's happy flashing FYI its very addicting and may cause relationship issues approach with caution!!!! Lol jk
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Read this thread.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1802160
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The one thing I'm worried about is data when flashing. I heard you have to wipe your device to flash a new rom. Can you just back it up before the flash and then restore it after the rom is flashed?
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Vanillamarble said:
The one thing I'm worried about is data when flashing. I heard you have to wipe your device to flash a new rom. Can you just back it up before the flash and then restore it after the rom is flashed?
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/...DMsImNvbS5rZXJhbWlkYXMuVGl0YW5pdW1CYWNrdXAiXQ..
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/...DMsImNvbS5rZXJhbWlkYXMuVGl0YW5pdW1CYWNrdXAiXQ..
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Oh yeah. I forgot about Titanium Backup. Does it back it up online, or to the internal or external SD card?
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Both if you like.
I keep looking in the ROM section but I don't see one. I want a FAST stripped down (complete bloat removed) stock Att ROM jelly bean. Can someone point me in the right direction to a ROM that has no issues (call volume etc.)
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paniro187 said:
I keep looking in the ROM section but I don't see one. I want a FAST stripped down (complete bloat removed) stock Att ROM jelly bean. Can someone point me in the right direction to a ROM that has no issues (call volume etc.)
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I only want Samsung Kies to remain in such a ROM since I'm a Mac user and need the MTP functionality.
Slim bean maybe? I did see one a while back but i'm not entirely sure of its stability. I was in the same boat as you though. I just downloaded titanium backup and un installed all bloat from there, good to go!
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Anonymously_Unknown said:
I only want Samsung Kies to remain in such a ROM since I'm a Mac user and need the MTP functionality.
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Same here
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altrikdout21 said:
Slim bean maybe? I did see one a while back but i'm not entirely sure of its stability. I was in the same boat as you though. I just downloaded titanium backup and un installed all bloat from there, good to go!
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Link to stock ROM?
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paniro187 said:
Link to stock ROM?
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Don't have one but I used this guide to unroot and return to stock, then debloat away.
http://forums.androidcentral.com/t-...axy-s3-return-stock-i747ucdlk3-jellybean.html
If you're on stock that will work perfectly, but if you're running a custom rom then I'm not sure. I've heard you can also restore via Kies though, gimme a sec
Edit: here ya go
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1984717
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To add: perhaps this is sort of what you're looking for.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1869300
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Can the stock ROM be flashed with tw recovery? I am out of town on business without my laptop and can't use Odin
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paniro187 said:
I keep looking in the ROM section but I don't see one. I want a FAST stripped down (complete bloat removed) stock Att ROM jelly bean. Can someone point me in the right direction to a ROM that has no issues (call volume etc.)
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Check out csrom.
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I tried to flash that and keep getting stuck at splash screen
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Why don't u guys just root and debloat? Once it's done its done, just make a android.
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Intub8 said:
Check out csrom.
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+1. I've tried a bunch of ROMs and this is my favorite. I haven't stayed with a ROM for this long before, and that's saying something.
hey guys im looking for a stock tmobile rom base on the tmobile official rom not the international one
Check in stickies
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grose65 said:
Check in stickies
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those are base on the international note 2 ones i dont want that
mrej201 said:
those are base on the international note 2 ones i dont want that
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They are, might want to read a little better
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36786363
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Flash tmo root 66 and use mobile odin and uncheck ever root
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Go with jedi master love it
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kintwofan said:
They are, might want to read a little better
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36786363
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didnt u read what i say i dont want international version roms i want a stock rom base on usa tmobile release
mrej201 said:
didnt u read what i say i dont want international version roms i want a stock rom base on usa tmobile release
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Are you slow or something? What in the hell do you think I linked you. You realize we are on a t899
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mrRobinson's stock Injected root roms are pure stock, with all its original stock functionality, just with root.
mrRobinson has the unrooted stock roms too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975560
FYI:
4.22 Jelly Bean Android SGH-T889 T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 manufacturer (Samsung) version is not out yet. So you are not going to find that with this date I wrote this.
You can find AOSP (Android Open Source Project) versions of 4.22 Jelly Bean Android roms and versions the international Galaxy Note 2 4.22 Jelly Bean Android roms are either can be found now or will be able to be found in a few days or weeks. But these roms do not have everything that would make T-Mobile SGH-T889 Galaxy Note 2 complete. Roms based on international Galaxy Note 2 won't have the WiFi calling feature. And the AOSP roms may not have all the Samsung's Galaxy Note 2 functionality features or even the T-mobile WiFi calling feature.
For now if you want full stock functionality features and T-Mobile features then you need to stick with 4.1.2 Jelly Bean Android roms. MrRobinson's injected root roms does give you the full stock functionality features and T-Mobile features while giving you root. And the stock roms we directed you to does the same with or without root.
PS - As time goes on our devices will get updated. So at that point in time and from that point on some of this information will be incorrect.
JaguarXT said:
mrRobinson's stock Injected root roms are pure stock, with all its original stock functionality, just with root.
mrRobinson has the unrooted stock roms too.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1975560
FYI:
4.22 Jelly Bean Android SGH-T889 T-Mobile Galaxy Note 2 manufacturer (Samsung) version is not out yet. So you are not going to find that with this date I wrote this.
You can find AOSP (Android Open Source Project) versions of 4.22 Jelly Bean Android roms and versions the international Galaxy Note 2 4.22 Jelly Bean Android roms are either can be found now or will be able to be found in a few days or weeks. But these roms do not have everything that would make T-Mobile SGH-T889 Galaxy Note 2 complete. Roms based on international Galaxy Note 2 won't have the WiFi calling feature. And the AOSP roms may not have all the Samsung's Galaxy Note 2 functionality features or even the T-mobile WiFi calling feature.
For now if you want full stock functionality features and T-Mobile features then you need to stick with 4.1.2 Jelly Bean Android roms. MrRobinson's injected root roms does give you the full stock functionality features and T-Mobile features while giving you root. And the stock roms we directed you to does the same with or without root.
PS - As time goes on our devices will get updated. So at that point in time and from that point on some of this information will be incorrect.
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ty that what im trying to explain to the guys above
mrej201 said:
ty that what im trying to explain to the guys above
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What I linked you the same thing, just a different guy. Please explain so I will understand what you want in the future
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kintwofan said:
What I linked you the same thing, just a different guy. Please explain so I will understand what you want in the future
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raw2000j
Does rhis have tmobile wifi calling or no?
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No. This is based on international firmware.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by raw2000j
Does rhis have tmobile wifi calling or no?
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No. This is based on international firmware.
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And where is that quote from? Please show a screen shot I linked official t889 firmware
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kintwofan said:
And where is that quote from? Please show a screen shot I linked official t889 firmware
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2228881&page=6
why dont you ask tesh
mrej201 said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2228881&page=6
why dont you ask tesh
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And that's not what I linked...not even close. Do you pay any attention
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kintwofan said:
They are, might want to read a little better
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=36786363
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Try this link I gave you the first time. And pay attention when people try to help. Oh and read stickies, because this is the thread in stickies that says stock firmware.
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It's sticky thread in the android development thread by teshxx
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It's sticky thread in the android development thread by teshxx
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You're on a roll, but are you actually reading anything you're answering. I've already linked that thread to him twice.
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Should close the thread then if you are the only person that can reply
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Should close the thread then if you are the only person that can reply
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Are you serious? I wasn't giving you attitude. I was saying he's not paying any attention to help and is actually giving attitude. Now having said that you're just popping in to threads repeating what's already been said and giving your guess instead of answers.... si maybe you should look at what's going on instead of just bump useless threads with nonsense posts
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Clearly op is not good at finding stuff, let's just leave it
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i was wondering if it was possible to get this rom for our phone.
it is pretty cool looking since you can have aosp look and still have multi window..
it is for the GT-N7000 model.
If the radio is not included it may work already
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how would i know that
OmmNomNom said:
If the radio is not included it may work already
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Please research before answering a n7100 ROM=brick. You can probably run an n7105 ROM just fine, but NOT n7100. You could have got this guy to flash that ROM and bricked his phone.
I guess I should say it may boot but people lost their imei trying this.
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how would i know that
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Can you link it? I'd like to check it out
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Well there is known risk flashing rom not made for your variant
And that's why I say it may work
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Well there is known risk flashing rom not made for your variant
And that's why I say it may work
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Correct, but it's proven to not flash n7100 all others are probably okay.
Look here's the deal I really appreciate how much your want to give back to the community. It needs more people who want to contribute instead of just get their questions answered. All I'm saying is make sure you know what you're trelling people. Then you'll build a little rep and people will trust you.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2061143
kintwofan said:
Correct, but it's proven to not flash n7100 all others are probably okay.
Look here's the deal I really appreciate how much your want to give back to the community. It needs more people who want to contribute instead of just get their questions answered. All I'm saying is make sure you know what you're trelling people. Then you'll build a little rep and people will trust you.
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Just an FYI. .4.3 leak has working wifi with new devil kernel posted in forum. I haven't had any data drops either
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Thanks for the heads up. I enjoyed the leak but wifi was a must for me.
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My data and signal still drops after turning the screen off though
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What's the way to properly flash on our phone? Just the normal way through twrp or anything special we need to do? Thanks for the help
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I can't seem to find the thread. anyone has the link to the forum thread?
I want to try Sky Note rom. It's in the AT&T Note 2 Dev thread. Has anyone tried it on their N2?
dagod80 said:
Just an FYI. .4.3 leak has working wifi with new devil kernel posted in forum. I haven't had any data drops either
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Can you post a link to the kernel. I've been searching and the one I tried from 10/24 didn't work
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47421055
Hey fellas here's a link for the kernel its in the second to last post on that page. I've been using 4.3 skynote r8-1 most of today.
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Squilchi said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47421055
Hey fellas here's a link for the kernel its in the second to last post on that page. I've been using 4.3 skynote r8-1 most of today.
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hey could you send me a detailed message on how to flash and where to get the rom and kernal at?
thanks
newky_nuke said:
hey could you send me a detailed message on how to flash and where to get the rom and kernal at?
thanks
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This is the rom: att skynote 4.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2497994
Flash the r8-1.zip from the op and flash the devil kernel from above as well as our current modem.
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New kernel version from page 212: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2497994&page=212
Apparently it fixes all issues that the previos kernel versions had (auto rotate, camera, etc.) I am gonna try to see if air command works with it and ill report back.
EDIT: flashed newest kernel and air command on r8-1 got a bunch of force closes and had to reflash.
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Squilchi said:
This is the rom: att skynote 4.3: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2497994
Flash the r8-1.zip from the op and flash the devil kernel from above as well as our current modem.
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New kernel version from page 212: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2497994&page=212
Apparently it fixes all issues that the previos kernel versions had (auto rotate, camera, etc.) I am gonna try to see if air command works with it and ill report back.
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My new dd. Don't forget to flash the update to 8-2 that's in the op.
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Is your guys camera working. That's the only thing that isn't working for me with the latest kernel and 8.2
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kintwofan said:
Is your guys camera working. That's the only thing that isn't working for me with the latest kernel and 8.2
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both my cameras are working
Well that is odd
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kintwofan said:
Is your guys camera working. That's the only thing that isn't working for me with the latest kernel and 8.2
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Cameras working fine for me too.
Must be in my end then. Gonna wipe everything and flash again
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Is it possible for some one to upload a zip with the ROM and proper kernel? Maybe the proper radio too?
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mistamikel said:
Is it possible for some one to upload a zip with the ROM and proper kernel? Maybe the proper radio too?
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i linked the rom and kernel on the first page...go here for the current modem http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2102380 fyi guys if your having data drops when the screen is off try dialing *#2263# and select the lte/gsm band preference.
Squilchi said:
i linked the rom and kernel on the first page...go here for the current modem http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2102380 fyi guys if your having data drops when the screen is off try dialing *#2263# and select the lte/gsm band preference.
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Yep works like a charm. Also a full wipe including internal sd fixed camera. Now I can start working on my s4 theme so I'll be ahead of the curve when we get our official update
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Squilchi said:
i linked the rom and kernel on the first page...go here for the current modem http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2102380 fyi guys if your having data drops when the screen is off try dialing *#2263# and select the lte/gsm band preference.
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I tried this and it comes up that it cannot find a network as I can only connect to HSPA AWS on Wind in Canada, I am guessing there is no other fix right now?
Im with wind mobile as well as after flashing the rom and modem I get the same signal as always. Now heres my prob, I flashed the rom then the moden, rebooted and everything was fine. I then installed the devil kernel and the update and now Im getting force closes. Rebooted and wiped all and still the same thing.
Did I mess something up here?