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I have the EVO from Sprint.
Software 1.32.651.6
My questionis this:
Now that there is a root method for the OTA update are there any real advantages to that update over the software I already have?
I'm thinking no.
But I'd like others to help me decide.
I've been paying for the Hotspot Service, but it seems to be real buggy, it does not maintain an internet connection for very long. Seems to connect and disconnect from the internet frequently, sometimes only stay connected for a few minutes. I complained to Sprint and they gave me a credit refund for the service. But I'd rather not pay for something I don't have to.
Well, supposedly, the newest ota adds wireless N and is supposed to increase performance of wifi (or something like that). It also fixes some screen grounding/responsiveness issues, and it seems like one more thing that slips my mind.
Now, if you want to root and you are asking which route to take, I would say since you have the earlier version that you should do toasts method 1 and 2. Then you can find a rom that has the update incorporated.
And if the hot spot feature doesnt work for you, then stop paying the 30/month for sure. Like you said, no point spending all that money if the feature is crap for you. Especially when you could root and use wireless tether for free.
Why toast's method, as opposed to simple root?
Would there be a reason that toast's method would be easier/superior to simple root?
I have only used toasts guide, so I would not know about the other
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Would there be a reason that toast's method would be easier/superior to simple root?
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I tried both. Toast's method is far more detailed, so it forces you to learn the ins and outs of using adb, which is huge plus. Simple root is a few click method. Works fine, but you do not learn anything from it. Do you already know adb? If not, I strongly suggest using toasts method so you can learn. If you already know it, just use simple root.
From what I understand simple root uses all of toasts stuff anyway so it's basically the same.....
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Still learning and being cautious
To be honest, I don't even know what adb is yet. I want to get my feet wet without too much risk of bricking my phone.
I've been reading the forums and gradually getting a sense of the Android world, but I also can see that there is some confusion in the rooting process, especially with newer phones.
But I will learn more about adb, thanks.
Rooted Now
I'm rooted now with PC36IMG.zip
Now what to do? (actually I'm starting a new thread with this Q)
and I'm new to this android stuff, completely. So I was wondering what kinda mods can I do to this phone and what should I do to it.
You should root it and apply a bunch of roms in the development section to see which one you like. Almost all of the roms have none of the bloatware that your provider demands your phone have on it, and some of them have custom looks to fit your aesthetic needs. More importantly, most of the roms will be easier on the battery of your phone, so you don't have to plug it in every 4 hours.
A good question is are you use to the process of modifying your phone?
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You should root it and apply a bunch of roms in the development section to see which one you like. Almost all of the roms have none of the bloatware that your provider demands your phone have on it, and some of them have custom looks to fit your aesthetic needs. More importantly, most of the roms will be easier on the battery of your phone, so you don't have to plug it in every 4 hours.
A good question is are you use to the process of modifying your phone?
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nope. I've never modified a phone before. Which is why I'm so interested in doing so now since I have a good phone lol. How do I "root" my phone n all that..
You're right. You do have a kick ass phone and you should take full control of it and do what you like to it, since you bought it.
The method I used to root my phone is an older method, which is posted at the top of this forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837315
Watch it SEVERAL times before trying. People say their root didn't complete, but let me tell you, the battery pull is oh so necessary.
After that, go into the development section to start flashing roms. Each rom comes with instructions to flash, but they're basically all the same.
My suggestion would be to wait until you have familiarized yourself with this forum and Read until you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. HERES A GOOD PLACE TO START. Its really easy to mess up your "good" phone doing stuff to it that you don't fully understand.
While the root method suggested above by enserio has worked and I my self used Visionary to root (not with this video though), it has caused so many bricked bootloops I can even guess a number, by far the most risky way to root. It is the least technical way, but with the most dangers. Hope you can afford to buy a new phone because your taking a big gamble rooting this way.
The method I recommend and anyone who has been in this forum long enough to know better would be HERE XDA WIKI, it uses Rage to temp root then Gfree to permroot. This is the safest way to root your phone, even if you mess up more than likely your phone will survive. This requires some technical knowledge but you can gain this by reading and searching and looking for tutorial videos on how to use ADB. Plus the skills learned would be indispensable.
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You're right. You do have a kick ass phone and you should take full control of it and do what you like to it, since you bought it.
The method I used to root my phone is an older method, which is posted at the top of this forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837315
Watch it SEVERAL times before trying. People say their root didn't complete, but let me tell you, the battery pull is oh so necessary.
After that, go into the development section to start flashing roms. Each rom comes with instructions to flash, but they're basically all the same.
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I read someone on the forum got their phone bricked from some method.. My phone won't be harmed will it??
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My suggestion would be to wait until you have familiarized yourself with this forum and Read until you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. HERES A GOOD PLACE TO START. Its really easy to mess up your "good" phone doing stuff to it that you don't fully understand.
While the root method suggested above by enserio has worked and I my self used Visionary to root (not with this video though), it has caused so many bricked bootloops I can even guess a number, by far the most risky way to root. It is the least technical way, but with the most dangers. Hope you can afford to buy a new phone because your taking a big gamble rooting this way.
The method I recommend and anyone who has been in this forum long enough to know better would be HERE XDA WIKI, it uses Rage to temp root then Gfree to permroot. This is the safest way to root your phone, even if you mess up more than likely your phone will survive. This requires some technical knowledge but you can gain this by reading and searching and looking for tutorial videos on how to use ADB. Plus the skills learned would be indispensable.
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awesome. thanks, I start studying n looking into all this now.
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I read someone on the forum got their phone bricked from some method.. My phone won't be harmed will it??
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if you screw up, it will.
also, rooting and installing custom roms does not at all mean better battery life.
it varies greatly depending upon what you use the phone for and how often you use it.
I, in fact, have LOST a lot of battery life since rooting, because I have been using it more than I would if I hadn't rooted/installed custom roms.
my suggestion:
play with the phone as it came from the factory, read around here and see if there is any functionality you could gain from modding/rooting/custom roms, and go from there.
*sigh*
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I read someone on the forum got their phone bricked from some method.. My phone won't be harmed will it??
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Most of the bricks came from the Visionary method; as stated above, the best/safest means to root is in the wiki, that's the method the guys/gals who found the exploit created.
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Most of the bricks came from the Visionary method; as stated above, the best/safest means to root is in the wiki, that's the method the guys/gals who found the exploit created.
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That's not to say that there aren't other ways to brick your phone. Someone messing around in things they don't understand can easily turn your G2 into a paperweight. Its always just a safe rule to research first
Grats on the phone.
I lurked on here and read for a few weeks to make sure I had a full understanding before attempting anything.
Since doing lots based off of the dev forums I've been extremely happy. Just be careful and do your due diligence and you should be fine as long as your halfway technically inclined.
Hi guys, any idea why DG closed the Root Vega thread and all the links died? I found the download from Electron73's thread. But is it still working or we have to use King root or sth to get rooted?
wow guys, Kingo root is very cool. I did it for my N900T. Wonderful. Thanks Dev
Huh I just got my Note 3 and was about to root it. What's the story with de la Vega, is that not the optimal way to root anymore?
Apparently flashing one file via Odin was to complicated for people around here, they wanted a program that will hold their hands every step and tell them it'll be alright. Root de la Vega still works great, I've done it on three Note 3's, never had an issue.
Ehh, guess I'm just a grumpy old man, 4 years ago you needed to know what you were doing to root a phone, now there's these newfangled one-click roots these kids are doing nowadays and people go doing stupid stuff to their phones without knowing what the hell they're doing, then screw up and come running here for help. 90% of the problems you see are things that could easily be avoided if they had only read the op.
Grumble grumble...get off my lawn...
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Apparently flashing one file via Odin was to complicated for people around here, they wanted a program that will hold their hands every step and tell them it'll be alright. Root de la Vega still works great, I've done it on three Note 3's, never had an issue.
Ehh, guess I'm just a grumpy old man, 4 years ago you needed to know what you were doing to root a phone, now there's these newfangled one-click roots these kids are doing nowadays and people go doing stupid stuff to their phones without knowing what the hell they're doing, then screw up and come running here for help. 90% of the problems you see are things that could easily be avoided if they had only read the op.
Grumble grumble...get off my lawn...
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I hear ya, but as Android continues growing more mainstream, rooting and ROMs isn't just for geeks (should it be?). Even CyanogenMod is now addressing its "#1 problem" by developing a Windows & Mac GUI root & installer (but no linux, yet)
I've run Linux in some or another (NetBSD, FreeBSD, RedHat, Fedora) as my primary desktop for almost 2 decades, but lately even here it's gotten noobified with Uboontoo elbowing in. I was able to root my Galaxy S1 and Kindle Fire without even booting Windows, but my S3 and Note3 needed ODIN in Windoze because Heimdall (for linux) isn't maintained as much anymore, sadly.
It's just the direction things are going.
Now, ..... YOU KIDS TURN THAT MUSIC DOWN!
What does it mean that RDLV closed?
Is that mean that it cannot be used anymore or the links are already dead? i just root my Note 3 last November 13, 2013 using the RDLV method and it work perfect for me. I just want to know what does it mean that it closed?
My best guess is the one click guys bought him out
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Apparently flashing one file via Odin was to complicated for people around here, they wanted a program that will hold their hands every step and tell them it'll be alright. Root de la Vega still works great, I've done it on three Note 3's, never had an issue.
Ehh, guess I'm just a grumpy old man, 4 years ago you needed to know what you were doing to root a phone, now there's these newfangled one-click roots these kids are doing nowadays and people go doing stupid stuff to their phones without knowing what the hell they're doing, then screw up and come running here for help. 90% of the problems you see are things that could easily be avoided if they had only read the op.
Grumble grumble...get off my lawn...
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Totally agreed. The more i read about this kingo root the more i want to reverse back to factory status. Well, too late now, my imei could be on some zombie clone phones or my phone got monitored by someone already!
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Is that mean that it cannot be used anymore or the links are already dead? i just root my Note 3 last November 13, 2013 using the RDLV method and it work perfect for me. I just want to know what does it mean that it closed?
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Once you have rooted, you don't need to do it again.
He closed the thread because his method was too complicated for people who don't want to bother to read before making that type of change. He had actually come up with a more generic version of the same, but was getting bombarded with people asking how rather than reading how.
Once the one click methods became available, there was no point in continuing to support the other method as they did the same thing. Again, something you normally only do once.
The issue with the IMEI makes sense to me, and unfortunate that they did that, but I don't think it was for an nefarious purpose. The Vroot method was more of a concern to me since the Interface and output was in Chinese and I would prefer to see what it is saying rather than make assumptions.
Right now, I would if ask tell someone to use the Kingo Root method if they needed to root now. I saved the De La Vega root files for both T-Mobile and Verzion when I first saw them in case that I was going to do it at work, but ended up using them while at home.
No big deal in either case.
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Once you have rooted, you don't need to do it again.
He closed the thread because his method was too complicated for people who don't want to bother to read before making that type of change. He had actually come up with a more generic version of the same, but was getting bombarded with people asking how rather than reading how.
Once the one click methods became available, there was no point in continuing to support the other method as they did the same thing. Again, something you normally only do once.
The issue with the IMEI makes sense to me, and unfortunate that they did that, but I don't think it was for an nefarious purpose. The Vroot method was more of a concern to me since the Interface and output was in Chinese and I would prefer to see what it is saying rather than make assumptions.
Right now, I would if ask tell someone to use the Kingo Root method if they needed to root now. I saved the De La Vega root files for both T-Mobile and Verzion when I first saw them in case that I was going to do it at work, but ended up using them while at home.
No big deal in either case.
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Thanks for the response. But the RDLV Method doesn't have a malware right? I don't mind reading before performing this kind of things but if you don't mind, if you'll be asked which method do you prefer? The RDLV or the one click root sir?
I ended up going with the one click root because it was extremely easy and literally only took me 30 seconds. Also I planned on getting a custom recovery and rom in the future so the knox count would had gone up anyway.
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Thanks for the response. But the RDLV Method doesn't have a malware right? I don't mind reading before performing this kind of things but if you don't mind, if you'll be asked which method do you prefer? The RDLV or the one click root sir?
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None of the processes have malware. Malware is where something is put onto your computer or device which continues to do things.
These are simply rooting your device.
The issue was in doing the rooting process, Kingo Root appeared to be collecting the IMEI number from the phone. After it was rooted, there was nothing on your phone other than the files necessary for root (busybox, SuperSU) ... no malware.
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None of the processes have malware. Malware is where something is put onto your computer or device which continues to do things.
These are simply rooting your device.
The issue was in doing the rooting process, Kingo Root appeared to be collecting the IMEI number from the phone. After it was rooted, there was nothing on your phone other than the files necessary for root (busybox, SuperSU) ... no malware.
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Kind of odd for them to be collection IMEI numbers isn't it?
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None of the processes have malware. Malware is where something is put onto your computer or device which continues to do things.
These are simply rooting your device.
The issue was in doing the rooting process, Kingo Root appeared to be collecting the IMEI number from the phone. After it was rooted, there was nothing on your phone other than the files necessary for root (busybox, SuperSU) ... no malware.
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Exactly what I was thinking
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Regarding root methods, why does there only need to be one? This isn't Highlander! What happened to choice?
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I've had people, both in real life and on web forums, tell me that rooting is risky/riskier at this point in time. Is this true? I'm just considerably more nervous as the phone isn't even a week old yet. However, I feel like I'm just being scared for no reason. I had huge butterflies when I rooted my s3 for the first time (first time rooting). It was so simple and without any scares. After that, I played with ROMs, started rooting friends' old phones when they got new ones. I plan on attempting to dual boot my s3 with other things now for fun. So, I'm aware that there's always a risk, but I just don't want to hold off rooting for no reason. Is it a breeze? Is my anxiety truly warranted?
Also, I keep reading "Chinese variants" what does that mean? Are they talking about the phone nationality or the chip? I feel like it's a dumb question, but this is confusing me. It adds to my nervousness because I'm thinking, what if it means only Chinese phones and I screw up my American phone. I know it's probably silly, but...
Anyway, thanks for any help.
Just use chainfire's sprint root and you will be fine. No reason to worry.
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Just use chainfire's sprint root and you will be fine. No reason to worry.
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This. I've rooted every Android phone I've ever owned. I like to take control of my device.
Have to agree. I've rooted every Android device that I've owned and never had any issues including taking them to a Sprint store for replacement.
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dschachm said:
Just use chainfire's sprint root and you will be fine. No reason to worry.
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Thanks for putting my mind at ease.
Maybe I should make another post, but I'm on linux/ubuntu and I've seen mention of attempting to use Odin in VM, but I worry that if it does work that such a "bridge" might cause potential interruptions. Any further advice?
Edit: According to some further research, it's not suggested to run Odin in VM. So, never mind. Thanks again for the answer, I'll just borrow someone's Windows PC.
Please forgive the catchy title as well as my ignorance as while I have been around computing stuff for a long time, am kinda new to the Android stuff.
For me, I picked up a Samsung Strat II this summer, an have gotten a bit used to that, so just grabbed a 8.4 for Xmas as I have more uses for that, an would like to get that running as best as possible.
For the Strat II, I did root it with Towelroot an with no noticeable side effects, so understand the hows an why's of this.
But in reading the forums for the 8.4, have been seeing this thing about tripping the Knox from messing with the OS in anyways in regard to rooting.
From the little bit I have read, it seems to be some kind of root tripper, an would assume that voids any warranties too, but was wondering if some could explain it a bit more to me, an perhaps answer the following questions.
1: Does it in fact trip from a root an does this void the warranty?
2: This does not seem to be part of my Strat II OS, so is this something newer?
3: If indeed it is just a warranty thing, do I care once it's out of warranty? Which I think is one year?
4: Is it just a OS recording thing, or does it mess up the tab in anyway, software or hardware wise?
5: From what I have read, once tripped, its permanent an there is no way to reverse that even from a complete system reset, so is that true?
So those are just a few at the moment an again, please forgive my ignorance, but hey, if you don't ask, you don't learn.
Thanks for any help
if you used towelroot then you probably didn't trip knox, knox will trip if you use other root methods like cf-auto-root or flash custom firmwares like CM.
knox is a hardware fuse (at least on the snapdragon cpu) that once tripped cannot be undone as it actually modifies hardware kind-of like burning out a circuit and Samsung checks the flag to see if the device was tampered with and it will void warranty (though they may or may not make an exception depending on the issue like if something was hardware related they might still honor it).
TowelRoot uses a kernel exploit and doesn't mess with bootloaders ..etc , thus keeping knox happy
Thanks for the reply otyg, so can I use towelroot on my 8.4, or does this not work with something like this, or with this OS?
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Thanks for the reply otyg, so can I use towelroot on my 8.4, or does this not work with something like this, or with this OS?
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Towelroot only worked on ND1~ND3 Firmware on the tab pro 8.4 then the kernel was patched on newer firmwares--- so if your tab has a newer firmware it won't work anymore without some headaches.
Basically you need to flash the Kernel (not the full firmware) from ND3 root the tab with towelroot then swap the kernel back to the current firmware, and knox should stay at 0x0 .
One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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It could be worse, the efuse(s) can be used for all kinds of things like completely locking the bootloader, luckily Samsung didn't go to that extreme
Yeah, I understand.
So by any chance otyg, do you know if regarding my question on anything else it might do, does tripping the knox do anything other then the hardfuse, an the reporting of it?
Does it effect the device in any other way?
Basically I tried the unit I have for just a little bit as I wanted to setup the basics before Xmas an make sure it would work with my WiFi, but all in all the unit ran pretty nice with just the way it was.
So I really even wonder if I want to root it, an then with this Knox thing, its deterring me even more.
But then too, I know some apps just really require it.
So kinda torn.
But if it does something else negative to the device other then what we have already discussed, might just leave it alone for the time being.
Btw, thanks for all the help so far.
There are benefits to rooting like being able to use your sdcard properly , I rooted mine, never tripped knox,
As with all rooting It's a risk if you do trip it it will probably void warranty, it could also brick your device if something goes wrong.
Another common problem I have been seeing is random reboots for people who have a tripped knox flag (this is due to software on the tablet that checks knox and somehow causes reboots, you can disable the software but still troublesome and doesn't work for everyone).
If you really want to root I would go with towelroot method, its the safest and less risk for triggering any knox problems.
you basically update your firmware to the latest version first, extract the kernel from the tar file, download the ND3 firmware extract the kernel, tar the kernel's , flash the nd3 kernel with odin, boot-up , towelroot, install supersu , reboot - switch back to download mode and re-flash the latest kernel)
Read through this thread too, some people have prepared standalone kernels to use if you don't want to do it yourself. you probably need ND3 (or ND1 will work) and K1 if your tablet is the XAR model.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2786800
^ND1 kernel
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...320xar1ank1-extracted-stock-firmware-t2954549
^K1 kernel
Thanks greatly otyg, will have to look into this more after the holidays, an thanks so much for the info
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One of the things that puzzles me is why did they even do this?
Seems that the customization that rooting is needed to be done for, is such a big part of why many buy these things?
Guess there is some that damage things by over clocking or something else, an then rest everything an try to claim warranty, but still gotta be a small amount as apposed to those who buy them as they can do all the software stuff to them.
Seems like they are trying to lock out a good amount of their customer base.
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Because people mostly don't care and don't know.
If you don't like what they do, then don't support them. Stop buying their products, or buy used if you have to.
Personally, Samsung is the #1 company on my **** list, with Apple being a close 2nd, due to their policies towards their customers.
I only bought my 12.2 Note Pro because nobody else make anything in this class.
I already have Nexus 4 & 7. Xperia. And if I was shopping for a small tablet, I'd get the new Nexus (despite the HTC crappy quality lottery).
I also bought it used/refurbished, not new.
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Yeah, I understand.
So by any chance otyg, do you know if regarding my question on anything else it might do, does tripping the knox do anything other then the hardfuse, an the reporting of it?
Does it effect the device in any other way?
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For this device, once you trip Knox you can no longer update firmware through the traditional methods, you have to do it manually through something like Odin or a custom recovery, as far as I can tell. Samsung recognizes that you've "modified" your device and will not let you update through official channels.
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Because people mostly don't care and don't know.
If you don't like what they do, then don't support them. Stop buying their products, or buy used if you have to.
Personally, Samsung is the #1 company on my **** list, with Apple being a close 2nd, due to their policies towards their customers.
I only bought my 12.2 Note Pro because nobody else make anything in this class.
I already have Nexus 4 & 7. Xperia. And if I was shopping for a small tablet, I'd get the new Nexus (despite the HTC crappy quality lottery).
I also bought it used/refurbished, not new.
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I suspect it's to honor their high level contracts (like the govs, and fortune 500 company's) who need to keep the devices secure, knox is a good way to tell the customer their device could have been compromised, unfortunately it does effect normal users like us who like to tweak the devices a little .
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I suspect it's to honor their high level contracts (like the govs, and fortune 500 company's) who need to keep the devices secure, knox is a good way to tell the customer their device could have been compromised
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This is pretty much true, in my understanding. KNOX is aimed at enterprise users (company provided devices) as a means of ensuring the devices are kept in an "approved" or "compliant" configuration. Once a device is rooted, root can be hidden (as well as any number of changes made to the system) so it makes sense for IT departments to want a non-reversible hardware fuse to detect the device has been tampered (mainly by the employees).
Android hasn't had the widest adoption for enterprise use, mainly due to the open nature of the OS. So such security measures are an attempt at changing that perception.
Folks on here have argued that KNOX counter does not void the warranty, and its only purpose if for use along with the KNOX security software. Whether that is 100% true or not, I can't personally say.
Knox allows a device to be setup as two completely separate devices in one. One secured for business use the other for personal use. I tripped Knox immediately on mine when I rooted it.
Can i towelroot and install cm without knockig trox?