Help me decide, root and software version ??? - EVO 4G Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

I have the EVO from Sprint.
Software 1.32.651.6
My questionis this:
Now that there is a root method for the OTA update are there any real advantages to that update over the software I already have?
I'm thinking no.
But I'd like others to help me decide.
I've been paying for the Hotspot Service, but it seems to be real buggy, it does not maintain an internet connection for very long. Seems to connect and disconnect from the internet frequently, sometimes only stay connected for a few minutes. I complained to Sprint and they gave me a credit refund for the service. But I'd rather not pay for something I don't have to.

Well, supposedly, the newest ota adds wireless N and is supposed to increase performance of wifi (or something like that). It also fixes some screen grounding/responsiveness issues, and it seems like one more thing that slips my mind.
Now, if you want to root and you are asking which route to take, I would say since you have the earlier version that you should do toasts method 1 and 2. Then you can find a rom that has the update incorporated.
And if the hot spot feature doesnt work for you, then stop paying the 30/month for sure. Like you said, no point spending all that money if the feature is crap for you. Especially when you could root and use wireless tether for free.

Why toast's method, as opposed to simple root?
Would there be a reason that toast's method would be easier/superior to simple root?

I have only used toasts guide, so I would not know about the other

musgoodw said:
Would there be a reason that toast's method would be easier/superior to simple root?
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I tried both. Toast's method is far more detailed, so it forces you to learn the ins and outs of using adb, which is huge plus. Simple root is a few click method. Works fine, but you do not learn anything from it. Do you already know adb? If not, I strongly suggest using toasts method so you can learn. If you already know it, just use simple root.

From what I understand simple root uses all of toasts stuff anyway so it's basically the same.....
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Still learning and being cautious
To be honest, I don't even know what adb is yet. I want to get my feet wet without too much risk of bricking my phone.
I've been reading the forums and gradually getting a sense of the Android world, but I also can see that there is some confusion in the rooting process, especially with newer phones.
But I will learn more about adb, thanks.

Rooted Now
I'm rooted now with PC36IMG.zip
Now what to do? (actually I'm starting a new thread with this Q)

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[Q] Just got my G2...

and I'm new to this android stuff, completely. So I was wondering what kinda mods can I do to this phone and what should I do to it.
You should root it and apply a bunch of roms in the development section to see which one you like. Almost all of the roms have none of the bloatware that your provider demands your phone have on it, and some of them have custom looks to fit your aesthetic needs. More importantly, most of the roms will be easier on the battery of your phone, so you don't have to plug it in every 4 hours.
A good question is are you use to the process of modifying your phone?
enserio said:
You should root it and apply a bunch of roms in the development section to see which one you like. Almost all of the roms have none of the bloatware that your provider demands your phone have on it, and some of them have custom looks to fit your aesthetic needs. More importantly, most of the roms will be easier on the battery of your phone, so you don't have to plug it in every 4 hours.
A good question is are you use to the process of modifying your phone?
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nope. I've never modified a phone before. Which is why I'm so interested in doing so now since I have a good phone lol. How do I "root" my phone n all that..
You're right. You do have a kick ass phone and you should take full control of it and do what you like to it, since you bought it.
The method I used to root my phone is an older method, which is posted at the top of this forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837315
Watch it SEVERAL times before trying. People say their root didn't complete, but let me tell you, the battery pull is oh so necessary.
After that, go into the development section to start flashing roms. Each rom comes with instructions to flash, but they're basically all the same.
My suggestion would be to wait until you have familiarized yourself with this forum and Read until you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. HERES A GOOD PLACE TO START. Its really easy to mess up your "good" phone doing stuff to it that you don't fully understand.
While the root method suggested above by enserio has worked and I my self used Visionary to root (not with this video though), it has caused so many bricked bootloops I can even guess a number, by far the most risky way to root. It is the least technical way, but with the most dangers. Hope you can afford to buy a new phone because your taking a big gamble rooting this way.
The method I recommend and anyone who has been in this forum long enough to know better would be HERE XDA WIKI, it uses Rage to temp root then Gfree to permroot. This is the safest way to root your phone, even if you mess up more than likely your phone will survive. This requires some technical knowledge but you can gain this by reading and searching and looking for tutorial videos on how to use ADB. Plus the skills learned would be indispensable.
enserio said:
You're right. You do have a kick ass phone and you should take full control of it and do what you like to it, since you bought it.
The method I used to root my phone is an older method, which is posted at the top of this forum: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=837315
Watch it SEVERAL times before trying. People say their root didn't complete, but let me tell you, the battery pull is oh so necessary.
After that, go into the development section to start flashing roms. Each rom comes with instructions to flash, but they're basically all the same.
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I read someone on the forum got their phone bricked from some method.. My phone won't be harmed will it??
joemm said:
My suggestion would be to wait until you have familiarized yourself with this forum and Read until you understand what you are doing and why you are doing it. HERES A GOOD PLACE TO START. Its really easy to mess up your "good" phone doing stuff to it that you don't fully understand.
While the root method suggested above by enserio has worked and I my self used Visionary to root (not with this video though), it has caused so many bricked bootloops I can even guess a number, by far the most risky way to root. It is the least technical way, but with the most dangers. Hope you can afford to buy a new phone because your taking a big gamble rooting this way.
The method I recommend and anyone who has been in this forum long enough to know better would be HERE XDA WIKI, it uses Rage to temp root then Gfree to permroot. This is the safest way to root your phone, even if you mess up more than likely your phone will survive. This requires some technical knowledge but you can gain this by reading and searching and looking for tutorial videos on how to use ADB. Plus the skills learned would be indispensable.
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awesome. thanks, I start studying n looking into all this now.
huhhhhh said:
I read someone on the forum got their phone bricked from some method.. My phone won't be harmed will it??
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if you screw up, it will.
also, rooting and installing custom roms does not at all mean better battery life.
it varies greatly depending upon what you use the phone for and how often you use it.
I, in fact, have LOST a lot of battery life since rooting, because I have been using it more than I would if I hadn't rooted/installed custom roms.
my suggestion:
play with the phone as it came from the factory, read around here and see if there is any functionality you could gain from modding/rooting/custom roms, and go from there.
*sigh*
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huhhhhh said:
I read someone on the forum got their phone bricked from some method.. My phone won't be harmed will it??
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Most of the bricks came from the Visionary method; as stated above, the best/safest means to root is in the wiki, that's the method the guys/gals who found the exploit created.
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OriginalGabriel said:
Most of the bricks came from the Visionary method; as stated above, the best/safest means to root is in the wiki, that's the method the guys/gals who found the exploit created.
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That's not to say that there aren't other ways to brick your phone. Someone messing around in things they don't understand can easily turn your G2 into a paperweight. Its always just a safe rule to research first
Grats on the phone.
I lurked on here and read for a few weeks to make sure I had a full understanding before attempting anything.
Since doing lots based off of the dev forums I've been extremely happy. Just be careful and do your due diligence and you should be fine as long as your halfway technically inclined.

[Q] potential g2 owner here, much needed help and appreciated!

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Hey all, I was thinking of getting a g2 after my contract is ready for it, and ive got a few questions. I'm not really a noob to all this rooting and cyanogen mod, so i might understand some of the technical jargon. i've rooted my g1 with cyanogen 5.0.8
If you use visionary to temp-root your phone daily, is there any chance for bricking it? Are there are any known problems with using visionary?
what are the main benefits with getting permaroot as opposed to just temp rooting it everytime? im not that interested in roms like cyanogen, gingervillan,etc
can you use setcpu with the stock tmobile g2 rom?
is the hinge really that bad?
does tmobile really monitor tethering? some say that the original g1 plan includes tethering but that just sounds absurd.
what exactly does busybox do? i have asked this several times but havent gotten a clear answer; i know that it has to do with linux, but thats about it :/
theres a section on the wiki about g2 radios; i dont understand what is the problem with the stock radio and why someone would want to flash another one besdies for the reason of getting a better signal, but this leads me to the question of 'doesnt tmobile update the radio? why would we need to manually update radio'?
what are the main differences between using visionary temp to permaroot and the adb method? if i were to use the visionary one, at what point could i enable s- off and hboot?
that being said, is there any news about a new release of visionary?
can't people just ask tmobile for a sim unlock code after 1 year? why do we have to root it and do it?
Looking at the wiki, i dont understand what md5 is when the wiki provides downloads and what it means
what is hboot used for and whats the difference between that and a bootloader (whats a bootloader btw)
can both temp rooting and both versions of permarooting work on 1.19 and 1.12?
thanks!
kayway27 said:
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Hey all, I was thinking of getting a g2 after my contract is ready for it, and ive got a few questions. I'm not really a noob to all this rooting and cyanogen mod, so i might understand some of the technical jargon. i've rooted my g1 with cyanogen 5.0.8
If you use visionary to temp-root your phone daily, is there any chance for bricking it? Are there are any known problems with using visionary?
what are the main benefits with getting permaroot as opposed to just temp rooting it everytime? im not that interested in roms like cyanogen, gingervillan,etc
can you use setcpu with the stock tmobile g2 rom?
is the hinge really that bad?
does tmobile really monitor tethering? some say that the original g1 plan includes tethering but that just sounds absurd.
what exactly does busybox do? i have asked this several times but havent gotten a clear answer; i know that it has to do with linux, but thats about it :/
theres a section on the wiki about g2 radios; i dont understand what is the problem with the stock radio and why someone would want to flash another one besdies for the reason of getting a better signal, but this leads me to the question of 'doesnt tmobile update the radio? why would we need to manually update radio'?
what are the main differences between using visionary temp to permaroot and the adb method? if i were to use the visionary one, at what point could i enable s- off and hboot?
that being said, is there any news about a new release of visionary?
can't people just ask tmobile for a sim unlock code after 1 year? why do we have to root it and do it?
Looking at the wiki, i dont understand what md5 is when the wiki provides downloads and what it means
what is hboot used for and whats the difference between that and a bootloader (whats a bootloader btw)
can both temp rooting and both versions of permarooting work on 1.19 and 1.12?
thanks!
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This late in the game jsut wait for the next wave of phones some will has dual core
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Might even see quad core by the end of the year.
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sorta didnt answer my question, dont mean to sound ungrateful;
i want the g2 b/c of the keyboard and other asthetics; dual core isnt that big of a factor for me.
As others have said there will be new phones coming out soon, faster processors, more cores, more megapixels, etc.
Another thing to consider is that I would expect new phones from T-Mobile to have radios capable of operating on AT&T's 3G network, making them more future proof.
OTOH If you are a keyboard guy I would expect these to be less and less common, as a former G1 user myself I can tell you the G2 keyboard is quite inferior to the G1 and thanks to better soft keyboards like Swype I rarely use the hardware keyboard anymore.
Also I can certainly sympathize with wanting to upgrade from the G1, the G2 is unbelievably more snappy, I don't think could go back to the G1 again.
One other option is to look at picking up a used device off Swappa (something like a MyTouch 3G Slide) to hold you over until the new hotness comes out later and renew your contact then.
BusyBox is a set of Linux tools that is pretty much essential for a rooted Android phone.
I have never heard of using Visionary only for temp rooting causing any problems, it only gets dicey if you try to use it for permanent root.
As for advantages of permanent root over temp root, I guess in your case it's mainly a matter of convenience, though I found some rooted apps don't behave properly with Visionary temp root.
I haven't heard anything about a newer version of Visionary and I don't think I'd expect one.
The gfree method isn't too difficult once you have ADB working, I'd just do that.
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I'm no expert but I'll try to answer some things. As for temp rooting, Visionary appears to be relatively safe, but many people warn of using it to perm root as there's a good chance of bricking the phone. It just seems to be less of a hassle to perm root and be done with it. The gfree method seems to be the one that is least risky. I have yet to root my G2 but will probably follow a method that uses Visionary for temp root and gfree for the perm part.
As to the radios, there is often no need to flash a new one and its generally advised NOT to unless you have a very good reason and know exactly what you're doing. The hinge can be bad on some G2s, not so bad on others. Mine is on the loose side but its not really a big deal to me. I can post the link to the "Easy Root" thread if you like. There are a lot of posts from people who used it and have yet to see a reported failure. I'm trying to steel myself up to go through with it. Just wanna have everything in line.
A lot of people it seems are saying wait and don't bother with the G2. Not so sure. It's an awesome phone if you like a physical keyboard. It's plenty fast and capable, even more so when rooted. Playing the technology waiting game is pointless, IMO. There is ALWAYS something bigger and better right around the corner. Everyone is touting the current wave of dual core phones, and soon those will be kicked aside by the tech elites in favor of quad core phones, then THOSE will be swatted aside when something else comes along. Android phone technology is moving faster than any tech I've seen so I think it's better to find a phone you like and chill. So what if some dude you know has a dual core phone? That fact doesn't make a phone like the G2 suddenly slow and incapable. Sure, relatively speaking it's less powerful but that's technology for you. I say if you find a phone you really like, jump on it.

Should I Root?

I was just wondering if it should root my Epic 4G Touch. I have a few reasons for wanting to Root, namely, Free WiFi Tethering, and silencing the Camera. However, my concerns are voiding the warranty, and losing my data. In your opinion, is it worth it?
Also, if I unmount my Micro SD card before rooting, there's no chance of losing any data on it, correct?
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I say go for it and you got nothing to lose. I was also once contemplating to root
or not and im glad i did
Phones can also be unrooted and restored if something happens to go wrong.
You will have lots of benefits such as using custom roms,using root applications,
modding your entire phone to your liking etc etc...
Should I root?
Yes you should root for sure the android world is ever expanding and becoming easier and more complex Ive learned so much tinkering with my E4GT how to root use odin install roms over clock under clock change voltages memory tweeks Mali GPU tweeks. also it makes jail breaking and unlocking the iphone look like a sad little controlled by apple baby the android OS is wide open to any and all customization and you dont need google's permission to do it. so yes i would root any android phone its so much better than stock ROM and Kernels. Good luck please post any more questions if u have them ill help you out the best i can.
Rooting really unlocks the potential of your phone. I know most Sprint stores are probably different, but when I picked up my E4GT the guy at the counter had a custom rom on his phone. And told me not to worry about rooting/flashing as they can usually reset the phone (before ICS of course). And if they couldn't save it, then I would have to pay a 100 deductible. Not to shabby, and of course haven't hard bricked yet (knock on wood). Just make sure to read, read, read! And check out qbking 77 videos on youtube. That guy is a genius, and if you follow his steps to a T then you will be fine. Good luck!
+1 on the qbking77 videos he makes it easy to follow along. I rooted fiollowing his steps with no problem.my phone is faster has more abilities has better battery can tether backup make nandroids for safe keeping. Just as said above read and research before jumping. You won't be sorry you did.
Question do I have to unroot to update to ics when its finally released?
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Ok first off the answer is no if you do it with sfhubs method and secondly before any of you guys start messing with your phones do some research. "Should I Root" has got to be one of the most repetitious threads in here. A little research of the thoughts of others asking the same question would be a great start to your Android adventure.
Honestly, this is a great place but it does take up some of your time and brain power. Asking others about what to do with your personal device is a lill off center to me but its ok as long as if you destroy your own personal device you dont go blaming others.
Like mentioned QBKing has plenty of videos and please Please please read the stickys in all sections. I may sound crazy but too me if you have to ask this question about rooting your not ready. Its not for the faint of heart...
Side note - If you learn anything in here is that the upgrade for ICS will be here long before or minutes after its official. Never understood why people unroot to get an update to root again... Is it just me? *scratches head*
playya said:
Side note - If you learn anything in here is that the upgrade for ICS will be here long before or minutes after its official. Never understood why people unroot to get an update to root again... Is it just me? *scratches head*
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I really don't care that you can't understand. I want the official release. I don't want to use roms that have minor issues or have none working features. Yet anyway. I'd rather be safe. Now as for my question. I did a search an I get conflicting results. One says updating ota with root doesn't matter. Second one is you can update with root but you wont be able to root after.
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If you have to ask, NO.
Haha that Sprint guy at the counter sounds like me, custom rom on my E4GT while showing customers my phone. I love it when some ask "wow did ice cream sandwich come out? Can I update to that??" By all means rooting and roming your phone is not for everyone, but I say go for it. Don't expect everything to work perfectly, you need to understand there will be bugs and glitches every now and then and that's why this is my hobby. Always something to do
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proxy0 said:
I really don't care that you can't understand. I want the official release. I don't want to use roms that have minor issues or have none working features. Yet anyway. I'd rather be safe. Now as for my question. I did a search an I get conflicting results. One says updating ota with root doesn't matter. Second one is you can update with root but you wont be able to root after.
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Hahahaha... ahhh you don't care hahahaha ok but buddy if you really did your research like you said you would know that.... Ya know what just go to sfhubs threads and do a little reading and you will find your answer which I answered already.
My bad this place is about helping others who need helps so here you go..You do know that sfhubs tars are rooted stock with NO I repeat NO changes... I have already answered that I believe but I guess you were stuck on something else I said.... Hahahahahaha
here it is below from sfhubs thread here
The ONLY change was the addition of ROOT to the ROM. NOTHING else was changed. If you made no other changes, you WOULD be able to install an OTA patch update (based off of EL29) on top of this w/o issues.
root, unroot to root again?
Playya Out!
it is definitely worth it, and if you plan not to root it, you should just give it to someone more deserving and get the iphone. i had the same question a few weeks ago and after much reading and a little bravery, ive grown to trust myself highly with some of these processes. really rooting isnt even what youre after for the good stuff, its just a prerequisite. i recommend reading a lot though. and like others said, qbking77 is your guiding angel lol

[Q] Android L, aka... LOLLIPOP

Will lollipop destroy our chances for root? Upgrading to this very exciting, tempting, operating system, will take away our chance to modify our own device.... It is our device, why can't we use it, do with it, how we want. Upgrade equals no root... Does anyone know this very important answer to this horrible question. Upgrade to lollipop means no root, ever?
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Will lollipop destroy our chances for root? Upgrading to this very exciting, tempting, operating system, will take away our chance to modify our own device.... It is our device, why can't we use it, do with it, how we want. Upgrade equals no root... Does anyone know this very important answer to this horrible question. Upgrade to lollipop means no root, ever?
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there's no way to tell if that is true or not. Hell, we dont even have root right now, without lollipop. In general, if you want to keep root access, its wise not to accept any OTA updates but thats not always the case. Only time will tell....
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there's no way to tell if that is true or not. Hell, we dont even have root right now, without lollipop. In general, if you want to keep root access, its wise not to accept any OTA updates but thats not always the case. Only time will tell....
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I'm going to update. regardless. Even with Apple and their jailbreak and their iOS, you update and lose the cydia.. The god of their phone and iPad jailbreak. Live it and love it. With us and Android, I'll update and hope that someone will be able to root it. As I read, what I read, it will be ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE to do. If not IMPOSSIBLE. ANYONE want to back me up on this? I hate to say it due to I want root a bad as, well less than sex, but I want it. Lollipop, blocks all root ability from that update forth.... Anyone? Please bring the knowledge
I doubt lollipop will be the end all for root access but it will likely be extremely difficult. There always a vulnerability somewhere that a Dev can exploit.
That's kinda what I'm hoping. With every update, there was a jailbreak, a root. Someone, somewhere out there will get us the coveted, elusive root exploit. OR will these tricks of the trade, will the tweaks be a built in commodity? Will they just be able to be Installed free of root restrictions. Let's get the root done people. Satisfy the masses
It's honestly not that serious. I have owned every Nexus phone (except the 6 obviously) and rooted them all except for the 5. I missed the CM11 themes but there are enough apps for customizations out there now that I didn't feel the need to do anything to the phone. If you're THAT concerned, I'd recommend selling your phone when the N6 comes out and buy that.
From everything that is coming out that I have read about Android L it looks like a few of the apps may be able to work without root if they are reprogrammed correctly. It looks like Google wants everyone to be able to have the functions they need \ want without compromising the security of the phone.
Just saw today that Write To External SD will be fixed in Lollipop without root
https://plus.google.com/112333815159468020407/posts/4kxjY9JFemL
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I just read chainfire was able to root lollipop on the Nexus 9 and adjust his SuperSu to work with it. So who knows there might be the a chance that it might be easier for him to root the note 4 with lollipop. We have to wait and see.
http://www.xda-developers.com/andro...gn=Feed:+xda-developers/ShsH+(xda-developers)
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Rooting versus not Rooting

Hey guys, is rooting really worth it on this phone. I mean just look at all the threads of this issue and that issue after somebody roots. I mean for me the phone is awesome as it is with exception to it's poor SPARK speeds. But that can't be fixed by rooting. I have yet to see any real gain posted by anyone other than removal of Sprint bloatware which is much less than any other carrier. So really is the gain worth the hardship and potential issues this phone seems to have after rooting?
All I see is this phone has X issue and then next line is always the same I rooted or I installed Y ROM. It seems to me that Samsung has done something to make this phone unreliable/unstable once the Factory integrity has been compromised either through rooting or ROM replacement. I did root mine using CF auto root before seeing all these issue posted. I can say now after rooting that I as well am seeing little bugs with touch screen response, as well as other little bugs it did not have before rooting. So this just strengthens my hunch about Samsung somehow making this device less stable once it is compromised.
I don't think I am going to fool with it any further. I don't want to become one of the many help I rooted and my phone won't boot post popping up around here lately.
You dont have to install ROMs to better your device, you can root stock odexed and it will be fine.
It unlocks more capabilities the phone cant do when its pure stock, such as Freezing wake locking apps that drain battery, or enabling etc mods that make the device better under certain circumstances.
You will run into issues whether rooted or not.
Is it worth it? Depends on user opinions. Does it have more problems than usual, Sure from time to time.
The peoples reviews of custom roms are there for a reason. There are things that are fixable and others that cant be fixed or modified upon.
Its more about exploring the full capabilities your device can do when it is rooted.
How far this device has come is massively huge because of the help brought from the community and devs.
You will typically find best performance and reliability with stock android with very few modifications. I use to flash a lot of roms/kernels on my Epic 4G and 4G touch and wouldn't call either of them reliable. I stay with mostly stock roms with my GS4, just Knox removed and everything is real stable.
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Hey guys, is rooting really worth it on this phone. I mean just look at all the threads of this issue and that issue after somebody roots. I mean for me the phone is awesome as it is with exception to it's poor SPARK speeds. But that can't be fixed by rooting. I have yet to see any real gain posted by anyone other than removal of Sprint bloatware which is much less than any other carrier. So really is the gain worth the hardship and potential issues this phone seems to have after rooting?
All I see is this phone has X issue and then next line is always the same I rooted or I installed Y ROM. It seems to me that Samsung has done something to make this phone unreliable/unstable once the Factory integrity has been compromised either through rooting or ROM replacement. I did root mine using CF auto root before seeing all these issue posted. I can say now after rooting that I as well am seeing little bugs with touch screen response, as well as other little bugs it did not have before rooting. So this just strengthens my hunch about Samsung somehow making this device less stable once it is compromised.
I don't think I am going to fool with it any further. I don't want to become one of the many help I rooted and my phone won't boot post popping up around here lately.
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I have both rooted and unrooted, stock roms and custom roms on a few devices at home. Does JUST ROOTING cause any additional problems? No. Its essentially like installing any other apk. Where majority of the bugs and problems come in is user error and custom roms. Don't get those confused as they typically are. Most "I rooted any my phone isn't booting" posts are from people that do things improperly. Or sometimes things just don't stick and you have to try again. CF Autoroot didn't work the very first time I flashed it on my wifes device (last night) after I had used it more times than I can count on my own since 1 week after device launch. I flashed it again, worked great. She didn't like stock, so I flashed my own custom rom on her device.
Custom Roms come with their own bugs if they aren't just simply stripped stock. Want less chances of bugs? Use the completely debloated and no-knoxed ones. They just make things simple by removing both carrier bloat and added items (can also be buggy themselves). Also keep in mind that the software shipped isn't always bug free . We saw some big changes to the actual code from NIE to NK2, we aren't 100% sure why they changed things in some places but I'm not an expert there at all. Ever wonder why Tmobile or verizon may have a feature thats actually turn off or locked on our device? It could be buggy for a specific carrier and the carrier just decided they wouldn't include it for their customers.
Samsung perposely sabatoging our devices because they are rooted...... eh they did have nexus devices at one point in time. So I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt and say this isn't the case. You may have just experienced bad results. I don't go a device without rooting, if not only to remove carrier bloat. MY last 3 devices I did not even let sprint reps boot before I took it home and rooted (literal first boot is rooted stock) I have been to the sprint techs LESS than when I had stock devices. This also allows certain users to fix their own problems themselves, and not leave device issues in the hands of carrier techs who by default will generally do a software reset and send you out the door.
Pros vs cons of rooting? Completely down to each specific user.
Yes rooting is absolutely worth it. For hotspot tethering, and Xposed. But you do need to add a fix to Xposed if you do decide to install it on this device.
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Yes rooting is absolutely worth it. For hotspot tethering, and Xposed. But you do need to add a fix to Xposed if you do decide to install it on this device.
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If you have hotspot tethering included in your plan like I do why would you need to root to have it? Unless you are trying to get it for free?
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If you have hotspot tethering included in your plan like I do why would you need to root to have it? Unless you are trying to get it for free?
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reguardless if you pay for it or not, it limits the amount of devices you can connect/tether to. Who's to say I only want to tether 4-5 devices? What If I'm traveling and have 6 devices?
If you don't like rooting, this certainly isn't the place to try and shun it. If you are looking to be convinced to root again? Still the wrong place. You root because you want to, or you want to do something that you can't without root. Plain and simple. Rooting is essentially controlling your own device while you OWN IT. Not owning a device someone else has complete control over.
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reguardless if you pay for it or not, it limits the amount of devices you can connect/tether to. Who's to say I only want to tether 4-5 devices? What If I'm traveling and have 6 devices?
If you don't like rooting, this certainly isn't the place to try and shun it. If you are looking to be convinced to root again? Still the wrong place. You root because you want to, or you want to do something that you can't without root. Plain and simple. Rooting is essentially controlling your own device while you OWN IT. Not owning a device someone else has complete control over.
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I root everything I own that can be rooted. My question has about the N4 as it seems like I said it has more issues after a root then it did before and that seems fishy. The way Sprint and Samsung are handling the poor data speeds is already a screw job when they are both aware it is a real problem. Add to that the more mods you do to the phone the more unstable it gets that just seems shady. I was not asking to root or not to root so much as I was asking is THIS device worth the trouble?
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I root everything I own that can be rooted. My question has about the N4 as it seems like I said it has more issues after a root then it did before and that seems fishy. The way Sprint and Samsung are handling the poor data speeds is already a screw job when they are both aware it is a real problem. Add to that the more mods you do to the phone the more unstable it gets that just seems shady. I was not asking to root or not to root so much as I was asking is THIS device worth the trouble?
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Seems you aren't running the right rom. I haven't had any major instabilities.
It's not the rooting that causes the problems, its what they do after they root.
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I root everything I own that can be rooted. My question has about the N4 as it seems like I said it has more issues after a root then it did before and that seems fishy. The way Sprint and Samsung are handling the poor data speeds is already a screw job when they are both aware it is a real problem. Add to that the more mods you do to the phone the more unstable it gets that just seems shady. I was not asking to root or not to root so much as I was asking is THIS device worth the trouble?
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As we all have said before, its user opinionated and what they do regarding with root in general.
I go with rooting because of extra battery saving features such as Greenify + Xposed, Underclocking GPU and CPU. To top that off, force lower dpi resolution and tablet mode on specific apps to see more on the screen. Modifying files such as build.prop and user key controls for enhanced performance, and like everyone, changing Sounds and boot anims, moving apps from user to system to help with stability etc.
If its unstable doing certain things well thats the bummer downside to the Apps or devices capabilities. But as long as you can get more out of the device ( which you can! ) with all the freedom of not being locked to user specific controls. It makes it better!
Thats how i feel.
I mean you can root the device and just install twrp and just keep it like that just until something catches your eye. I personally say if you rooted your previous devices. You should root the note 4. I am rooted and I am just plain stock cause I almost bricked my device. So I am going to wait until 5.0 gets to our phones before I flash anymore roms but until then I'm going to be completely stock.
Root your phone immediately.
Root your phone immediately. My god, what are you thinking going around unrooted?
Oh, you want details?
Open the hidden stuff if you want details.
Just kidding. I too suffered from doubts and waited several months before popping my phones warranty cherry.
Root is nice, even on the Note 4. But:
If you don't need root for anything special and you are perfectly happy with stock without root, DON'T ROOT!
If you need superuser authority (titanium backup?), if you want to disable Exchange Security so you can have work email but still use the fingerprint scanner, or you just like having better/different looks than stock in some way not achievable without root, ROOT. ​
That advice is general and applies to all phones. If you don't need/want it, why ask?
I can vouch that rooting the Note 4, installing custom Recovery and operating the custom ROMs is the similar to any other Samsung phone of recent vintage both in manner and difficultly (e.g. S3, S4, S5). (not the same though so do your research)
I have nothing against any ROM but, from personal experience, the ROMs from Pongoface and co work extremely well and look really nice. Make sure to wipe data and let them have 10 minutes or so to settle after first boot.
Those are:
[PORT] BoBCaTROM
and
[Port] Sprint Xnote (The time to settle was important on this one for me. Else, I got forced closes, not sure
Everything is stable on my phone after rooting and a LOT of Xposed mods. It just makes my phone much better.
If you have rooted all your other phones, then really why are you asking this question? You already know the benefits and risks of rooting so there is no need for us to tell you what to do.
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I root everything I own that can be rooted. My question has about the N4 as it seems like I said it has more issues after a root then it did before and that seems fishy. The way Sprint and Samsung are handling the poor data speeds is already a screw job when they are both aware it is a real problem. Add to that the more mods you do to the phone the more unstable it gets that just seems shady. I was not asking to root or not to root so much as I was asking is THIS device worth the trouble?
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False. False. False. What's shady is the lack of knowledge on behalf of a user which these issues are caused by. There is no "shady" business going on that would cause instability issues upon rooting your device. Instead of a carrier or Samsung playing shenanigans with it's customers by introducing bugs and instability issues if a user roots their device, it would be more logical for Sprint and Samsung to simply lock down the bootloader and take measures to prevent root in the first place... such as all the Verizon and AT&T customers who are still crying about not having root. If you want to believe otherwise that's up to you.
As already mentioned by millerboy3, rooting doesn't cause the instability issues you or anybody else might be having. The more mods you do the more unstable the rom??? That's just plain and simple ignorance my friend. Yes it could be true that a rom might be "buggy" but if a rom is well planned and time taken to ensure everything is right, then there will not be stability issues. There are roms out there with tons of mods that are 10 times more stable and faster than the stock rom. I happen to have a rom that fits that criteria along with a few other people. With that said, I do agree with you on the fact that the Note 4 is perfectly awesome straight out of the box without the need to root it. This is the first phone I've owned that I really don't feel the need to change anything because everything works great stock. There are a few mods that I find are well worth the effort and definitely worth rooting the phone for.
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False. False. False. What's shady is the lack of knowledge on behalf of a user which these issues are caused by. There is no "shady" business going on that would cause instability issues upon rooting your device. Instead of a carrier or Samsung playing shenanigans with it's customers by introducing bugs and instability issues if a user roots their device, it would be more logical for Sprint and Samsung to simply lock down the bootloader and take measures to prevent root in the first place... such as all the Verizon and AT&T customers who are still crying about not having root. If you want to believe otherwise that's up to you.
As already mentioned by millerboy3, rooting doesn't cause the instability issues you or anybody else might be having. The more mods you do the more unstable the rom??? That's just plain and simple ignorance my friend. Yes it could be true that a rom might be "buggy" but if a rom is well planned and time taken to ensure everything is right, then there will not be stability issues. There are roms out there with tons of mods that are 10 times more stable and faster than the stock rom. I happen to have a rom that fits that criteria along with a few other people. With that said, I do agree with you on the fact that the Note 4 is perfectly awesome straight out of the box without the need to root it. This is the first phone I've owned that I really don't feel the need to change anything because everything works great stock. There are a few mods that I find are well worth the effort and definitely worth rooting the phone for.
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He said it much better than I.
i'll also throw a vote in for rooting. i've come to consider AdAway & Xposed as must-haves, which both require root.
The N4 was the first phone I considered not rooting, it was that good straight away. However, then I remembered why I rooted, besides custom ROM's, and it was 2 (now 3) main reasons.
1- AdFree: After seeing ads all over a bunch of my favorite apps, I remembered I didn't have AdFree installed, which requires root. This is my biggest quality of use reason, if you've ever went to tap something in an app only to have a ninja ad come out of nowhere right as your finger hit the screen and redirect you to a website or the app store, you know what I mean.
2- TWRP + Titanium Backup - The ability to backup ALL my apps and settings to a separate SD card was huge, plus all the other features of TB.
3 - Lastly, I found Xposed: I'd never used before, but now, I couldn't imagine not having it. It's allowed me to tweak things that irritated me, like color schemes on the contacts and dialer screens, without the worry of installing custom ROM's or RW editing mods.
Just my feedback, your requirements may differ.
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Newbie, who wants to have better use of ExtsdCard
I am looking into rooting, for the first time. After an update to my, prior, S4, I couldn't edit my ebooks, about 700, delete photos, several thousand, or remove duplicates, on my extsdcard. I just got a new Note 4, and a 128G extsdcard. If there is anyway to restore my control of the sdcard that I paid for, other than rooting, please tell me. Otherwise, Android and Samsung are forcing me to root. Am I wrong??
Thank you very much,
Randy "Pugmeister"
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I am looking into rooting, for the first time. After an update to my, prior, S4, I couldn't edit my ebooks, about 700, delete photos, several thousand, or remove duplicates, on my extsdcard. I just got a new Note 4, and a 128G extsdcard. If there is anyway to restore my control of the sdcard that I paid for, other than rooting, please tell me. Otherwise, Android and Samsung are forcing me to root. Am I wrong??
Thank you very much,
Randy "Pugmeister"
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I'm a little fuzzy on what your saying. Are you saying that you can't edit or delete the contents of your external SD card in the note 4? If so, that's not a problem root could solve, as you should have full control over everything on the external card. Rooting would allow you access to edit the main android system files on the internal storage.
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